"Mark Ruffalo"

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You heard about. you heard about Bennett, you know that he's doing some personal training now.

Do you know about this? you're late to the bit, you know, Some of us get on a little bit early and make sure our devices are working, and I like those.

It's proven as a good bit. What time is your next session? I've got one 945. if we could see if we can wrap this one up, please. What are you talking about?

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Sean, can you hear us? Yes, you know what Bennett? Do you know what? Bennett's background is? really quick?

It looks like a gym. Okay,

You're reading books, I see.

Picture. somebody's seen pictures of stuff.

So, uh, so, will is, will is back from Georgia. when did you get back? well, yesterday, that's cool, and.

Yeah, are you checking your text? You want to get back to us?

Somebody's calling me, and so I'm trying to think like how, why am? I do not disturb, didn't work, but Hey, I did have. we flew back yesterday and I had some crazy Turbulence early in the light. Wow, and you love turbulence. and it was the maybe the worst I've ever had, and it was Like it was scary AF in it.

It was like one of those side to side and up and down, and and being alone is scary too, because I'm sure you were.

Alone while I was flying. Yeah. Oh, so, you were a friend myself. Yeah, I was. So I was really scared, cuz also, I don't know how to fly a plane.

Do you get really scared about turbulence? I do. Yeah. Yeah. Hang on a second.

She white knuckles it all the way.

If you don't buy a white Russian in time, you're gonna get some fingernails, oh.

Listen, I was. I was just like at that point.

Anything was on the table. Yeah, but was it like gaspy? Was it? were you?

Yeah, it was just me. It was me and Eli and her buddy, Bob and Liz.

Yeah, the plane and it was, and everybody ends up just closing their eyes and not talking. Yeah, nobody talked.

It got really, you know, it gets weird. Are they, as are they, as Nervous flyers as you are, or were they casual? No, but I think that everybody plays a role. Once somebody is the most nervous than everybody else. can be.

He's in.

Anyway, it was one of those, like, you know, please don't let this be the moment, all that kind of shit and.

Did you send off any text to any family members? I couldn't, I couldn't even reach for my. are you kidding?

He's doing it now. He was doing at the beginning, you know, well. the funny thing about it is it's it's the control, too. so it's like looking out the window, holding on as if, like My worry, or looking at the or any of its gonna have any effect on the outcome.

Like if I grabbed. if I grabbed the thing with the chair really hard, it'll brace my fall.

Have you thought about hypnosis at all? I have, I have, and I know our friend is she. she did it, right?

Yeah, and it works.

Yeah, I did guided hypnosis or something, but I didn't really. I don't know.

What were you? what were you? what were you trying to do? Can we go for guesses? Eliminate marshmallows from your diet.

And it was half successful. now, he's just doing the mini ones.

Drinking hot cocoa, so it didn't work. Are you really drinking? Are you having hot cocoa right now? Yeah, right now. Here's the thing.

I think that's who Sean is.

Wait, what was it? last night? I flew, I, I went out yesterday and came back last night to Vegas to see you two in this at this. Oh, wow, Yeah, wasn't it? You guys went it.

Wasn't that? isn't that the sphere? incredible mind-blowing it's, and I don't know how they do.

I saw that picture that you guys posted that or you did, or Scotty did have you guys with with Jimmy and Deb, and.

In edge the edge. Yeah, just edge. Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

It is not. no, it's mine. It's very cool, dude.

Yeah, no, he DJ's, baby. They're all so great. But anyway, it was great. It was amazing. I can't believe I lost so much money.

It's so depressing. your game is guess. I think. well, you might know this, but let's do a listener.

You guess what? Sean Hayes is a game of choice. Well, I think he's mentioned it on the show before, but but it's like Roulette, he likes roulette and blackjack. Yeah, I was gonna say that. Yeah.

Is that our guest?

Yes, anxious to get.

First time. that is a guest violation. Yeah, it's the first one. Could you tell, by the way?

Could you tell just by the voice not, not yet? I couldn't, but we're okay. We've started. Okay. Here we go in the starting.

It's a two-minute penalty box. It's just a minor.

Well, my intro is about two minutes. That's perfect. Okay, I'm so excited about my guests today.

They're obviously excited because they're already on the show. I mean.

No, I seriously. I've been trying to get him for a long time. He's considered rom-com royalty, but he's also done it all, guys, Exceptionally. Well, I might add. I'm a huge fan, and the best part is he may be even nicer than me.

Here he comes.

This is exciting at Begley jr. Who I love. actually, by the way, I'm such a fan of this person. I can't wait for you to see who it is. You're gonna love him.

Oh.

Are you a rom-com King? is that I was gonna go with Hugh Grant or?

No, you've done obviously amazing, dramatic work, but I love your rom-coms. Thank you. Yeah, look, we've got. we've got matching peepers on I.

Yeah, what else can I use here? do I have anything else? mark did I just see you got nominated yesterday.

Critics Choice Award, maybe something like that. Um, the National Board of Review, National Who's counting? Yeah?

I mean, but I am a New Yorker. So, you know, I had a shoe in Mark Ruffalo, dude. Welcome.

Will and I go way back. Do you know that? No, I tell me how. I mean nine, like mid 90s, early 90s.

I bet you can give us the month, Willie. Yeah.

Well, yeah, they. how about this? Fall of 96 is when you guys did. this is our youth. You're unbelievable.

Yeah, there was some. they had that playwright and Naked Angels had that. Short plays. Yeah, festival. Yeah, and then are you in a closet, mark?

Pretty awesome listener. It is a it's wood paneled. It's got beautiful pictures on it, but it is narrow and.

New York, this is like premium space in New York. I mean people have apartments this size in New York.

Mark, it's so nice to meet you. I'm so glad you're here. Thank you for thank you for bringing me. It's really so cool.

You're just meeting him and he's your guest will and I both know him. Why are you?

Yeah, we go back, Jason, and I go back my guest because I'm a big fan.

You guys go back a tiny bit. We don't go back to the intern theater or whatever. It was called. That's it. Sorry, bro, But mark is just.

Thank you coming from you. that's a huge compliment. Thank you, any of you. Thank you. Yeah.

Yeah, whenever I see Kenneth Flanagan, I vote name. I was like, I think it's Kenny Loggins at first class, but tell me like how, because will mentioned.

Wait, can we back up into that compliment one more time? As long a grin? just fun in his early grave, real quick. No, I know, but I'm just.

But wait, this is our youth. First of all, it was a huge hit and, like every actor in the world does, scenes from that now like it's, I mean.

Isn't that wild? it's my son is doing scenes from it. No way acting class. Yeah, Yeah, every but every actor does it. how old is so crazy.

22 dude, that is so fucking crazy. So it happens. you guys, you have to understand that when that, when these guys did, this is our youth. when it came out, It was like shot out of a cannon. It took everybody by surprise in this way that you can't believe people were like it.

So perfect, almost that play. Yeah, you want to hear something crazy? We just did a fundraiser here in New York City me, Missy and Matt Damon, who Took the play to London a couple years after we did it.

I'm so jealous. I have zero theater History in my. you know, you would be great in theater, man. Yeah, I remember reading for a couple in my early 20s in New York and was so Nervous to get out on stage and audition, for you know, those those three, you know silhouettes deep in the house. You know speaking, you know that you can't see their faces, but you, I just thought it was.

I just by the way, I've been thinking of this. This is the upper bow of nothing. I'm sorry to hijack it here, But I've been thinking about this character. I was watching TV the other day in the trailer and I saw, like one of those judge shows They have, like so many different judge shows, you know judge this and whatever midday shows and I thought I want to do one called judge camp, and he's like a super campy judge and he's like You're wearing those shoes into my court. guilty.

Rush on love.

Can't be, oh my god, with that blazer out, with that tone. I'm ruling for your mother.

You owe her $300.

Two years in fashion jail. Yeah, judge camp. That is thanks for good. Thanks. We're good.

How many things have you done with Kenneth Lonergan?

That's what my mom calls him Logger and a lot of Lonergan longer. Lonergan. Yeah, what did I say? Lana Grant? Yeah, but everyone does it.

It's what is it again? Sorry, Lon Lon, Ergen Lonergan, Lonergan, How many. we've done? two films at least one.

I've done two films, with two films and how many plays I?

For my sister. tell my sister who Missy is. Oh, Missy Yeager is.

just the most.

Brilliant actor. She's a writer now. Yeah, daughter of Steve Yeager and granddaughter of Chuck Yeager. Yeah, not true.

But really good.

Covers the Yeagers. I know good calling people.

Associated with other Yeagers. you've heard of.

Really from the Yeager Meister dynasty.

I.

Talk to us about how exhausting it was trying to prop up that, that, that Talentless actress, Laura Linney, and you can count on me.

Just love her so much. Love her so much, the most brilliant, sweetest, most humble.

And you can tell, because you two are so high quality and and just being people, that that was like this extra special rocket fuel in that movie, in a movie, that the chemistry and the and the, the brother-sister connection had to be sort of palpable, tangible, like I Imagine. it wasn't luck that they put you two together, In that you're both so kind and such a match that you could just kind of feel it through the screen, that extra little bit That gave that I love that much. Yeah.

Yeah, I was not supposed to be in that movie at all. I had to literally beg Kenny Lonergan to give me an audition for a real one.

Hysterical and we will be right back.

Mark, there's two things. I'm obsessed with theater stories if you got one, and medical stories and so, but you don't have to do either one and you can set. you can not answer any question you want to, but The the what happened to you during you can count on me is fascinating to me medically.

Actually, that was after. after after all that, Okay, and I was. you know, I was, I was on my way, you know, I was like all that big agents and and everything, and.

I mean, were there any symptoms?

No, no, it's funny. I had like an ear infection on that night and and so I was feeling, you know, that was hurting me, and and And so I went to the cast doctor the next day, who was literally sat on the board of. you know, the Nashville.

Same year, same year as the earache? The ear infection? Yeah, same year as the earache.

and And I said

Yeah, Yeah, Wow.

And How old were you? Yeah. Oh my god. I was 30.. I was 33..

About to have a baby and you just finished. you can count on you and you've. you've worked super hard and you've just Done all this stuff and now you're making a movie with Robert Redford and Gandalf Feeney. It's all coming together and in this moment, you're like, uh-huh.

Uh-huh, and they're like it's on. so then I'm so. I didn't tell Sonny cuz, I, you know, she had the birth plan, She did. you know yoga? She had the doula, you know, we had the hot tub ordered, you know, For the party after this is like yeah, this is like her wedding, you know, man, like This is like her christening her quinceañero, and And I just was like I can't.

And did you had you told Sonny, yet? I hadn't told her. No way.

What a thing to sit on until the night before dude.

I mean, yeah, like Jason says, like you're sitting there with all this stuff going on, what a thing to sit on, what a thing to have Literally in your head and also swimming around in your head, in both ways. I mean, and that That time between you know, and not in telling her must have been just absolute torture.

It was like shave your head and cut, cut into your scalp, and oh, yeah. I mean it was a full.

Yes, but I have a big scar, you know that quarter horseshoe thing.

What did they say that the prognosis was like? were you, were you super concerned? or with were they like? listen? This is something we do a lot.

I was super concerned because I didn't you know I hadn't really gotten that I hadn't met with a neurologist. You know, there I. what I was told by the doctors was like, you know, it's a brain tumor, But from the dream. the dream was so intense and it was literally like you have a brain tumor. you have to deal with it immediately, right, and it just had the sense of doom and.

You know, I'm like, it's like no, that's just a tumor talking.

You know how my my tumor ran away with me really, but I loved it.

It was close enough to your ear to actually speak to you and say hey.

Well, first of all, I just got to say when I told Sonny about it first, she thought I was joking, And then she just burst into tears and said I always knew you were gonna die young.

Let's just play that instead of saying it. Here we go everybody.

I think I might have took it out.

It was benign and and and, but it left you a little deaf in your ear, right?

Not a little, just totally, totally, really completely deaf in one ear, Completely left deaf in one ear. when I woke up, the left side of my face was totally paralyzed. No, Like, I couldn't even close my eye and was talking on the side of my mouth like this, you know.

They say that to expect this, or was that a shock to you? They said to me I had like.

they, I had a 20% chance of Nicking my nerve on the left side of my face and killing it, and and and then I had 70% chance of losing my hearing, which went, and you know, at that point, like you, and the airplane, You, you, you know, you're like, yeah, okay, I don't, I don't really believe in you, But yeah, you know. Take my hearing. Yeah, let me keep the face and Just just let me be the father.

Foxhole. foxhole prayers, right? I mean, yeah. Yeah, reverse for me. They took.

You're beautiful and you have incredible hearing, by the way, thank you. Thank you so much.

Mark, can we start at the beginning and I want to know more about you. You grew up in, Wisconsin. When did you move to LA? What made you move? Did the whole family move to LA?

Yeah, and why we moved? No, no, the whole family didn't move to LA. I, we started in, Wisconsin. You know, the family business sort of blew up, you know They might my. my family business was.

I was gonna get us to Foxcatcher at some point in this.

Movie.

You'll meet people there. I'll take care of you and where that interest come from, in Wisconsin. Was it born?

Yeah, man, You know, I was in a cat, you know, my family's Catholic. my grandmother was a born-again Christian and My father was a Baha'i. So I had, like the whole Middle East live, you know a good part of the Middle East living in my home, you know, and and and they still couldn't get along and.

She's like let's get finished with this enema first.

Let's clean you out first. I have just the thing for you We're gonna cure you of that. Wow, Wow. So then, so then that kind of goes on pause.

Through high school. Yeah, and then you're out, then you move up from San Diego to LA to pursue that.

Yeah, so I'm like dad. I kind of want to go to the school and he said I was like, but it's in LA and I, you know, I've never really been away from home. I was 18 and he's like, well, you know, why not?

From that acting school was there like a showcase in there, where agents came by and you got an agent and then you started getting Some auditions and got a couple jobs and just sort of a natural progression. I was there for seven years.

Without representing my craft, a bartending at the Chateau Marmotte, right? But didn't you drive a motor? you rode a motorcycle everywhere? Which is my first thing was when I read you mode. you had a motorcycle.

It was amazing, cuz I didn't. there was no helmets back then, which is also deadly. My hair was awesome. It was all windblown. Okay, you know, I look like It crossed between Sal Mineo and John Travolta.

bozo. yeah, no, I Wild that you drove a motorcycle everywhere. Like I can't. I couldn't afford a car. It was like I had a.

$250, $50.

So that was there. was there a big job that kind of launched here? or was it sort of like a little bit here, a little Bit there and just sort of a slow progression. It was a very slow progression.

I mean, there's really no reason that I should have tried as long as I did, because that was from 18 to 28.

I mean that is such. yeah, it's such a long time to like, stick with. you want to talk about stick with it. Yeah, there's so much opportunity in there for you to say fuck it and throw it in and go, do Anything else. Yeah, I did, I tried, no, but I mean, yeah.

300 bucks for a nut. That's why Will was silent for the last two minutes. He's been constructing that shaping, that joke. It was beautiful. wait, that's not my story.

But mark, mark, let me ask you this, because my recollection is is So you're 28, But you, when you came to New York and started doing stuff at Naked Angels with those guys, with Missy and Kenny, Is when I first met you, when you guys were doing the short plays before. this is our youth, you guys were doing, and.

Yeah, I'd done a few um soft core horror horror films.

No, that's not true. Yeah, it is.

mirror mirror two and mirror mirror three the.

Raven dance and the voyeur. Yeah. Oh, yeah, we'll be looking. No, there was something. What was the other movie you did?

No, there was. I had a, I had a one-day role and there goes my baby. I don't know if you remember that.

Aston. that's something like a made-up name of a movie. Yeah, I know, and then I, you know.

And I actually did have a couple pilot Not shot. Maybe that was that never went. Oh, it's Ken with Kenny Marino, Ken Marino. Yeah, no shit. Yeah, that was like.

Love Sean. Yeah, killer cast. love Sean, love Ken Marino. Yeah, Marissa, all-time great, dude.

Yeah, yeah, we should have got that. Yeah, we should have they. you know, they blew it. some day Someone will show that pilot. Hey, you know, I had an idea.

time you'd think that the networks would, would you know, just like, during the summers, show all the pilots that they didn't pick up just to sort of Cross-monetize what they did. and the reason they don't do it is Because they don't want one of those pilots to be well received, and then they look like it looks stupid ordering it. That's the only reason they don't do it.

It's the same reason that they don't want to say that they hates. they hate putting movies and turn around and letting other Studios make the movie on the off chance that another turn around. is for Tracy's that if a Studio is developing a movie and then they decide they're not gonna make it, They have the potential another studio to come in and say like hey, We'll pay you for whatever it costs you to develop that script and we want to make that movie. They don't want. they don't like to do it because rather eat the fee, Oh,

What were they on?

It's Hilarious, there's so many the loan. That's how I met Andy and Akiva and Yoram, those guys, Lonely Island. They did a pilot, a Lonely Island pilot that Phil Lord and Chris Miller produced. Wow, that was all sketches. before they got SNL and I, somebody showed it to me.

Banned from showbiz, right? Well, they're probably gone already. Yeah, I mean they really like burned through.

Yeah, so so, mark with with those with those humble beginnings and an extended period of.

normal.

Was there? what about when you?

It was. let me just, let's not romanticize.

But so then was. it was then it was it difficult at all when you, Just like, hit the massive amount of success that that that you're you're in now. Was that also a slow progression as well? or was there a moment where you got a big fat check or a big fat job and the transition was Uncomfortable or difficult for you because of such humble, extended beginnings. All I know is

My big break was a was a play with Holly Hunter and Carol Kane and Bill Pullman.

and.

It was. it was the hot thing in Los Angeles at the time.

Hot LA play, you don't hear that often.

No, but it was those people and, and you know, Holly had already won the Academy Award and you know, Carol was huge and Bill was was was really play Amundsen? No, it was at the the Met Theater they had. they started their own theater and Dinner. Yeah, it was. it was in the early 90s And that was my gonna be my big break.

What was your problem? Why did you get fired? I sucked. No.

No, no, you know what? Honestly, I was, probably what what they. what I was told was I, I was in a different play, which you know Could. possibly that's a director's fault. Yeah, you know, the director's got to get everybody in the same project.

We'll be right back.

And now back to the show.

By the way, mark, we could think there's so many. I could ask you a thousand, like the normal start with.

Well, Derek and I, you know, I'd Derek see in France. Yeah, Derek see in France. director. He did our director and and the writer. He adapted it from the book.

Genius, genius man. Yeah, he's a genius.

you know, I had gotten the book rights and I immediately wanted him and.

So was it always gonna be HBO? It was HBO, wasn't it?

No, we took it out shot. We shopped it and everyone's HBO kind of was interested sniffing around, But everyone else was like no way. Yeah, this is no. No one wants to see someone cut off their arm in the first ten minutes of a moment. show, you know.

And you shoot it, but I know that's how you did Lego Masters this year, right? That's exactly how I do everything. glue it on the spirit on, let's tamp it down.

I just, and I just use clippings from my, my wig. Yeah, and you and you're so damn good.

And I hate you for that, because I have to take eight weeks To get my shit together and grow.

So, and I know, isn't it's your performance deserved the nomination. Thank you. Just incredible. and, and of course, because you're sitting here and I'm a huge fan of the Marvel stuff and the, How did you get the Hulk? when I see what you guys do?

Meanwhile, you spent three hours in the makeup chair before, yeah, and do those down.

He's down. He says he won't do more than three words a day. I heard. Yeah. Well, he's on a great.

When he's busting his ass.

Why would I do more than three? Oh, yeah.

Actually down. He could probably do ten pages of dialogue in a day. I mean he, he speaks quickly, and and and the guy I mean, it's just like. I don't understand how he does it. It's amazing.

Do you have like a trick? like some people write their lines down that makes them remember it, others? I kind of say it into a mirror. What do you have a giveaway? I?

You know, I have this app called scene study really, and I yeah, and I record each line, Yeah, And then it, I could pull out my character's line and and it just runs in Repetition over and over and over again, and then, and then I just I'll learn it that way. and what I have to do. It's weird. I have to be walking to learn lines, to really learn them, And I just I just repeat them over and over and over a thousand times till I learn it like a song kind of you.

know, shit, do you have? I, My, my. the way lines go into my head is that I don't. I don't decide exactly how I'm going to be saying a line, But I, I, I, I fully sort of understand kind of what I'm saying and why I'm saying it. So there's a little bit of performance.

Yep, I learned early on, you know, This is a technique that was taught to me from my acting teacher who had learned it from someone who learned it from Paul Muni. so so this technique goes like way back and and, and the whole thing was is that you, you, you, you just spit it out and You start really slowly at first, so let's say, you know, I To be or not to be or whatever. So you you do it to be or not to be, very slowly, Yeah, And you work it up faster and faster and faster toes to be or not to be, To be or not to be, to be or not to be, to be or not to be. and it's really just a teacher Muscles, you know it without having to think about it. So then, when you are on, when you are working it, you're super free and you haven't really.

Although I do anyway, isn't it amazing? right? because that kid, the way that you learn it, can something, if you do it That way, can sometimes affect the cadence, Like, look, quite literally, just the. I wouldn't get to the mechanics, the actual cadence of how you say it. Yeah, I was talking about this yesterday with an actor whom we all know and he was saying We're talking about this.

No, it's what's really beautiful in your work, though, too. It's like, you know That freedom is.

With is that is that one of the things that you like about theater? The fact that there is dialogue there, that you, once you learn it, that there you don't have to learn anything yet, Like there's no new scene tomorrow and another scene the next day.

Yeah, but I would say, like mark, I'd not to get. I know we spent a lot of time on on this is our youth. but I mean, you know, and I May be short of Kenny. I don't know if anybody saw it, especially that first run more than me. I Fucking.

Did you have in that fucking play? Oh, so much dialogue. We both I mean, there's two people literally have stage. yeah, either me and one other person, or me and another person, but you all the time and me just all the time, and big monologues and lots of lots of overlapping. So you had to learn the overlapping and I knew and a lot and his writings so crazy.

And for Tracy out there in theater, You cannot change the dialogue at all or you get written up by the stage manager.

Right, and and then equity will find you like you can't change anything. They're like, why were you changing your? why? Did you change where you moved on that line? Right, that was set, you know that was set with a director or, or I would, I would sink with.

I'm way too loose with the dialogue.

The first act it was, it was a little. it was two hour or two. two minutes too long. Yeah, so can we just tighten that up again? Yeah, and you're just like what are you talk?

I don't care. And if you really want to get out of there, it's five minutes too short.

We just talk about it. No, they never complain about it being too short. Yeah,

Um, first of all, have you ever I read that all your activism and you're using your voice, And she has such a massive platform To use your voice, and you're not afraid to use your voice, and I love that. about you, your opinions, You just spew them out. This is what I believe. This is what's right from wrong, and I love it.

It's you about? I mean that, no, but I mean it's like.

No, no, no, no, it is.

Yeah, Sean's right. It's remarkable, dude.

Incredible, and I love it, and it's really. I wish I had the balls you have, but tell me what the solutions project is. But wait before I talk about. Have you ever spoken in front of Congress?

I. I've spoken on the hill With the Senate. I've testified. So this is what I want to ask you.

What is that like when you're sitting there? because at home, when I'm watching somebody do that They they all look like bored, and you're like Scotty, who turned on CNBC. Is it? is it effective? Did you feel like being there, was effective?

You know. So I did that movie Dark Waters, which is about forever chemicals for Tracy. They're the chemicals that come from like Teflon, that stay in your blood and are linked to seven different cancers, And they're in everybody and all over the world, and the mother passes it from Themselves to the baby through their breast milk and it it gets in your body and accumulates and it never leaves, and And it's pervasive. So we did a movie called Dark Waters to tell the story of the lawyer who exposes this. it's a true story and Brings all the lawsuits and wins the biggest Tort, you know, lawsuit in the history of the United States to actually study this stuff.

And when they're done with their questions, they get the hell out of there.

Oh, he, literally his name wasn't even a question is like I know why you're here. You hate industry. this is all just a ploy for you to make a bunch of money and And an attack, you know, big corporations and the economic good of people. And and that's all I got to say Threw the mic down and walked out. I yield, I yield.

I'm sure you've been asked this before, so I apologize for not knowing the answer. Have you ever given any thought to public office? no, no, and because of the, of the, the pain in the ass of it all, because of folks that have Different ideas about why they're there.

Yeah, you know I'd.

Over. any politician needs money is to buy 30-second ads, right to get reelected and reelected, Which only just puts them in a position of power. It's not like. it's some extremely lucrative position to be a senator or a representative, It's, you know, some of them are there for ideological reasons, right? Yeah, I would imagine, but yeah, initially mostly, but yeah, not to be overly cynical.

it's, and it's pretty like, you know, like we see. it's just. You know, it's not really about Policy that's gonna help people. It just, it just gets broken down along sort of these lines.

I'll bun if a bunch of people like you ran. I? well, I guess what I. what I sense from you is You can really affect. Yeah, No, but is that you can?

Yeah, and you can, and you do. I mean we banned fracking here in New York State and, and you know, You know, PFOS is. finally, you know, there's you never, you don't really. I mean, we know. but there's such power in storytelling and You can really change things with storytelling, especially if you're not like nailing hitting it on the head.

Look at Sean show. Will and Grace is one of the first shows it like exactly. Oh my god, I'm. I'm in love with these characters that are not heterosexual. So I guess gay people aren't so bad.

Making me laugh. that shift, which was the biggest shift, Societal shift on an issue, Sean, that you guys, that was the biggest societal shift on an issue, With the largest spread of polling than than any other. Yeah. Well, thank you for saying that, and it's to your point.

It's, it's just telling a story. We were just, we weren't batting people over the head about it, Just like yeah, presenting the people and the facts, and this is how.

Everybody is, you know, yeah, we just we, just we just frack a little differently.

Chateau Marmont, I can't believe you were the bartender at that hotel for ten years. You were the no, no, you know.

No, I, I was doing pickup work there. I was at another bar called. Um, oh, I was at two bars. I was at the olive, which was a hot little bar, and I was at, I remember, yes, I was there, Yes, during that time, and I was at um smalls, which is kind of like this punk, rock, rock and roll bar on the, you know, right where Melrose and Gower met, Wow. and And I was doing pickup work at the Chateau, which didn't have a bar yet.

Wow, isn't that wild to be back? Would you ever go back and be like, yeah, man.

I'm there and you know, the young guy comes in at the food, you know room service and he's, you know, he's kind of Looking at me and I go to give him his tip and he's like wow, that's a huge tip.

I love that Jason and I had lunch there over 20 years ago. He does not remember it. Is that mark? Thank you for being here today. So wait, I wanted to before you go.

Well, it's really dope. I'd like. I'm looking at you right now.

How long have you and Sonny been married? now? It's been forever.

No, I don't mean it that way. I mean, it's been. it's awesome. It's. we've been together for 27 years.

That's amazing. Yeah, it's how many kids we have. three kids. It's incredible 22, 18 and 16.. Can you believe your life?

No, man, You know, my biggest concern was when I have a, how would I be would have a place to live? I mean, you know, that was like. that was like I just want a place to live. Yeah, you know, I just don't want to be in the streets like that. if I can, if I can attain that, that would be.

Yeah, yeah, and now look.

And now look at my office, yeah,

Not working on motorcycles anymore. I tell you what, I tell you what, man You haven't. honestly, you haven't changed a bit. You're still the nicest, most talented, dude. Happen tonight, I'm so happy for your life.

Me too, thank you for having mark. Thank you for being here.

We, we appreciate it and, and you were on my list for a long time for a reason, and it's so nice to finally meet You and gush, because I know you're great. No, it's great.

And you guys are great. And this is such a. it was such a nice time and will Take. I know just it's crazy. No, we came, so came such a long way, and Jason, you've always been so kind to me and Sean, now I.

Yeah, let's take things slow.

Dude, I can't wait to see poor things. I'm gonna, Gotta go. I'm dying. I gotta get. it's crazy here.

Yeah, I'm gonna pay for it full price. You will price. Yeah.

Yeah, it'll be just on the. you know, the site and you can, yeah, but I hear I hear it's one.

You can go ahead and enjoy a bit is, let's go see it in the theater this week. Let's go. Field trip. Yeah. All right, mark mark.

All the best.

And.

yeah, okay, okay, that guy hits me right in the center of my Like target, like. there's just such a good vibe about. those guys always seem like so confident. Which would you mean? those guys, which one, like, you know, I put it, I put him in.

Like and you go. that's why they they. they work because they're ultra talented, Obviously, but they also work a lot because you want to hang out like they're. it's salt of the earth, dudes.

Yeah, totally, and he's very he, he's just very I.

He's really that's owned a lot or did make sense. It relaxes people. Yeah.

Well, that's a segue into a new product. Yeah, do you have a new and you got a gummy?

Take a deep, deep breath. This is my favorite, though.

Thanks. We're good. No, he's, you know, it's, you know, it's pretty awesome about What. what he does it for. my taste is that he's this incredible actor.

He's in the John Goodman. I've mentioned this all the time that the category of actors and it's growing now because we've had a few on him He's one of those he's. doesn't matter what he's in, He is always great, a right. so you start thinking like I'd you think about like, oh, yeah, I'm sure kids, All right, and you're like, oh, he's great in that. and you said Foxcatcher like, oh, he's great in that.

You know, I like spending these days with you guys. I haven't seen you in a long time. this feels so lazy, Real, quite a while. since you should be banned. You should be banned from doing no, man, It's.

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