Bongino x Tucker Carlson: The Unfiltered Interview (PART 2)

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The show is really fantastic. Tucker. We were talking in part one there about this potential collapse of our society or anything like that if Trump were to be elected. Because these people just are crazy people, I mean, I don't like Biden. I believe there were a lot of shenanigans in 2020. I've never felt the need to overthrow the government.

I have two kids in school, but I don't think they think that way. And I got to tell you, I'm very concerned about the messaging out there. Now. You got Obama doing this movie. Leave the world behind about a cyber attack. I saw this article in The Hill the other day.

Cyber China's been engaged in some cyber warfare against the United States, invading our military facilities and stuff terrifying hacks on critical infrastructure. They're kicking our asses in this AI and quantum race. I don't want to oversell China. They got their own Potemkin village issues. But the hard reality, Tucker, is, we're not prepared.

We're teaching our military woke bullshit, we're doing abortions and sex changes in the military. We're not ready for this threat. I know you addressed this in some of your content, too. I was watching it last week.

I'm getting a little concerned about this.

So there's that. The second problem is that American citizens have been designated the main threat to the homeland by the Biden administration. Officials designated that repeatedly. And so that means you worked in the bureaucracy. I lived around it and my dad worked in it for 35 years.

So I know how it works. It's like it's not even about intent, there's a mission stated, and the whole blob gets to work on that mission. So if you say conservative Catholics, white supremacists are the main threat, above and beyond China or Islamic terror, or whatever. That means, all the agencies get to work, kind of suppressing those people and fighting those people, and one of the things the main thing that means is surveilling them.

So all, not all, but a huge percentage of the energy that our agencies would expend. Sort of keeping track of what our enemies abroad are doing are being used to keep track of Americans. And the Republicans, who really do hate their own voters in a way that's pathological, are just re-upping the spy laws to allow the Biden administration to spy on their voters. So that's the point, this just happened. And that's the point at which I'm like, this Mike Johnson guy, this low IQ character from Louisiana, who's the speaker of the House. It's like, you know what, I'm out.

And I'm out, I don't know who I'm going to vote for, I'm not going to vote Democrat. Of course, they hate me and I return the feeling.

But the Republican Party hates us too, and I mean, that's just real. They just allowed, they just re-upped the legal justification for Biden to spy on Republican voters. Are you joking? So? So that makes them even less prepared to deal with the actual threat, which, spoiler alert is not.

Americans, Americans, conservative Americans are not a threat to America. In fact, they're the only people keeping the country together. They're the people fixing your air conditioner when it's broken, they're the people bringing the produce into whole foods by truck.

They're the best people in the world. No, the threat is foreigners who seek to displace this country as the leader of the world. And we are not only not ready for it, we're not even looking for it, we're looking for, you know, saboteurs under the bed. It's insane.

So weird, heard a lot about it. I was there at 9-11 up in New York and I know how that happened. I want to get your thoughts on this.

The China thing is one of the few things. By the way. My mind's hard to change, I'm like a 49-year-old old dog. I got my ways and that's it. But you and J.D Vance changed my mind on something.

I'm going to get back to that in a second. So teaser here for the audience. But I got a theory on this Republican thing because I'm with you. They really do hate us. I mean, there's some good guys out there, but they really do.

They're like, you know, you guys suck, and you know, go after yourselves and vote for us and donate, whatever, and we'll pretend we're doing something. OK, great, but I always tell the audience because they'll respond to me, especially in the radio show. We do. COLLINs Well, why do you vote Republican?

I say, because I live in a world of realpolitik. And the hard reality is, while the Republicans are not the solution to basically any of my problems, the cause are Democrats. So, in a marginal world of marginal decisions, I'm like, OK, I'll take death by gun rather than death by chainsaw, like, that's it, that's the choice you have.

It's true.

I hate one side less and I'm voting for them, but it's gotten to the point where they're not. Look, we're in a period of crisis, of course, in the country, certainly in our political system, I think in our economic system as well, but certainly politically, we're in a crisis. And so what voters need, above all, is a consistent defender. Someone to stand up and say, I'm sorry, you can't send my voters to jail for no reason, which they've been doing at scale.

But no one will do that. It's it falls to Marjorie Taylor Greene, who I love, but she's like one person who's been there for two terms. Or Thomas Massey, or like a handful of people. But it should be over 200 people, and it's not because they hate you.

You embarrass them your interests are or make them feel ashamed. And I don't know how the system got to where it is. I don't know I mean, the Democrats, your average Democratic voter has an entire building full of defenders.

It's called the U.

S Capitol Like, they will defend their voters, and Republicans won't. And I just think it's the weirdest thing, like, if you, if your kids got attacked, you would defend them.

But if they felt you wouldn't defend them, they would know they were orphans and they would feel alone in the world and panicked. And it's like the most obvious and basic betrayal of responsibility, not to defend your people. What's good? management? defending your people? what's good?

LEADERSHIP, The military defending your people. What's good parenting defending your people? What's good politics defending your people?

Like, that's not hard, I don't have a super high IQ and I get it.

This whole speaker thing, everybody was like, Oh, I love Matt Gaetz, I hate Matt Gaetz. I love Matt Gaetz, I hate Matt Gaetz. I said, Listen, I met Matt Gaetz a couple of times.

I don't give a shit, I don't want to marry Matt Gaetz, I don't want to date Matt, I don't care. All I care about is, is this going to get us a more conservative speaker?

If it does, Matt Gaetz is great, if it doesn't, he did a shitty thing. I don't dislike the guy, he's probably a nice guy, great hair, whatever.

I don't care, I'm just telling you the guy is not the guy you think he is like, he doesn't vote. And it just drives me freaking bananas.

That we tend to like, idolize these people, and I think not to be in a long winded question. But one of the things people loved about your Fox show is, man, there were no golden calves when that Asa Hutchinson came on your show. That poor dude looked like a freaking deer in headlights, like he'd never been asked a serious question in his life. I think he thought because he was on Fox, it was going to be like a free pass. And he just sat there. Like, Holy shit, I've got to answer questions about cutting kids nuts off.

And I was totally unprepared for this, it was great.

I mean, some of my favorite people are from Arkansas and Bryce Mitchell, UFC fighter. my favorite from Arkansas. Jim, you know, John Daly, the golfer from Arkansas. It's a great place, but it's all Republican now, and so in those kinds of states, Oklahoma is the same.

The most Republican state has some of the weakest Republicans. It's so interesting because there's no competition. Yeah, you just ascend up the party ladder, the party runs everything.

So you can get incredibly mediocre people like Asa Hutchinson. He's only governor because he hung around forever, he doesn't believe anything, so he's obviously totally cocked. His wife cannot respect that man.

I mean, there's no chance that Mrs Hutchinson could be psyched to sleep with Asa Hutchinson, assuming he even wants to, which I doubt. So, like, how could someone like that be governor, you know what I mean, only in that kind of state?

It's sad.

I'm all in it for you guys, the listeners, everyone else can kiss my ass and that's the thing. Like, we have a Republican county.

I've been in charge forever and you just nailed it. It's like there's no real competition and you're almost like, it's crazy. I'd rather just vote for, like a Democrat.

At least they'll tell you the truth, like, Hey, we're going to raise your taxes, then a guy who's going to lie to my face? But I want to get back to the China thing because you must hate you.

It's not me, there's nothing special about me, I'm not Professor X. I'm a broken down, arthritic ridden 49 year old dude. But the fact that you all have followed along in a Bongino army and you had three and a half million freaking people a night on Fox, many, many are going to follow you on these various platforms.

That's power, man, but it's power, it's the ultimate meritocracy and democracy. You know, that other shit in politics is fake power. Those people are phonies.

I watched Asa, you look like he was going to crap his diaper that night. It was great, but I don't change my mind often.

I know it's kind of, I'm sorry about all the cussing, it's a Queens thing. My apologies, it's not on him, totally on me.

Yeah, I got a terrible mouth, but the China thing. I am an avid kind of libertarian, in the sense that free trade is my thing, and almost at all costs. I was absolutely convinced. And one day I'm listening to a Econ talk with Russ Roberts Great podcast.

Guy's a genius and, you know, different brand of politics, and maybe it's super smart. And he was talking about Hillbilly Elegy, J.D. Vance's great book, and the topic came up at some point in there about China.

And me, being an avid free trader, I always said, like, listen, if China wants to be the king of rubber dog toys, then screw it. Let him do it like, we'll build high end stuff here, like, what do we give a shit? But, you know, listening to you and J.D. over the years got me really thinking, Is that really the end goal?

Like, is economic growth the end goal of everything? Knowing it's going to result in many cases, especially with a parasitic economy like China. In the hollowing out of American towns and cities that had been bedrocked in production. Like, you really got me to think about that over time and really changed my position to a more fair trade rather than free trade position.

And I feel that way. About quote economic growth, which is just like another measure that economists in the federal government use to describe the economy, like CPI or a lot of others. Employment rate. So what changed my mind in economic growth? I mean, I was always pro-economic growth. I guess I still am sort of. But I spent time in Japan, which I would recommend to everybody. You can't move to Japan because Japan is for the Japanese and they love their culture.

They're happy to have you. You can't live there if you're not Japanese, because it's just too different. But when you go there, you realize. All this stuff about economic growth is a total lie, because Japan doesn't have economic growth and hasn't for a long time. And economists in the United States are always like, Oh, Japan's a disaster, and you go to Japan, and it's not only not a disaster. It's so much nicer than the United States that you're thinking, Well, who won the war?

There's no chance you lost a world War, I think we must have.

There are unaccompanied four-year-old girls on the subway. No one thinks about it because there's no chance that those girls will be bothered, much less hurt. And you're like, if this is the result of zero economic growth, bring it on, man, bring me some low economic growth. But again, maybe the real answer is, I don't care what the economic growth numbers are. I don't want a freaking dollar store in my town.

I don't want a bunch of junkies living in subsidized housing next door, which is the story throughout rural America. Okay, which is in much worse shape than some parts of Harlem, and we just sort of ignore that, but it's real. I live there, I can tell you. And that's not measured by the numbers that Washington is spitting out.

It's all fake. What I care about is the society. Are people happy, are they getting married? can they have children?

Is there an expectation their children will do okay? Do you imagine your grandchildren living in this country? And if the answer is no, or if you're killing yourself, then we've got a huge problem that we have to fix immediately. But no one even acknowledges it because the private equity class is thriving, and that's all anybody cares about. But I don't want to live in a society run by oligarchs, actually, at all.

It's not at all what I want. I want to live in a society where there's some connection between people. We're all considered morally equal, everybody has a shot. The meritocracy is real.

And I don't have to take orders from some rich person just because he's rich. Like, I'm sorry, I am a rich person. I still don't want to live like that, I don't like that, I'm an egalitarian.

And I don't know why that used to be a very American view, but now it's like, Oh, you're an egalitarian, are you a communist? I hate communism.

And it was interesting. I'd flown over in that region not that long ago and I'm on an American airliner commercial and I won't say where. It doesn't even matter, but I got to tell you, like the person who was helping us out, let's say, couldn't have been more obnoxious. It was almost like you were bothering them, so I just didn't bother.

I just like, did my own thing. And then I got on this Japan airline and the plane wasn't as nice. I'll say that, but my gosh, it's like it was. I remember I remembered how it was in Japan when I would have been there. 10 years ago, I got on this Japan airline as a JAL. And my gosh. They like, can't do enough for you. It's almost like you have to say, Okay, I like, I so deeply appreciate it.

And I remembered staying in What the Imperial in Japan and like, they give you the bow when you get in the elevator. And then I tried to give someone a tip and it was almost like an insult. You know, it's just me, the Queen's kid, and you're so right.

It's like, Is it really worth it all of this? And I think you kind of answered that question.

And I said to someone, What is this? and they said, Well, there are a lot of, you know, older women widows. Every society has them and they want to work, and the society has decided to harness their energy, give them purpose. And we really like cleanliness, we like clean trains.

Why would you want a dirty train? And so they clean the train and everyone respects them, you know? Bows to them, they bow back, and I'm like, that's the most cohesive, functional society I've ever seen. It's the opposite of the one that I live in, and I'm not exactly sure what the lessons are.

Like, how do you get there? There are a lot of factors in Japan that we could not replicate here, obviously, but I think we need to be trying to be more like that. Why wouldn't we? The point is not to make some tiny group of people even richer.

You know, the Yellowstone club has enough.

I live here, I know there's garbage by the side of the road. That's not acceptable. And anyone who thinks it's acceptable to live in a country with garbage on the street is not someone who shares my values.

Look at healthcare, I go, that's funny. you thought healthcare was a free market, like, what are you crazy? 50 of it's paid for by the government.

Like, give me a break, don't be a moron. But we had this idea that, you know, China's admission to the World Trade Organization was going to bring about this free market and this clamoring for liberty amongst Chinese citizens. And they'd get away from this Mao Zedong model. And the sickest part of the whole thing is they didn't become more like us.

We became more like them. I mean, I'm looking, pull up that White House thing. This is the craziest thing they're pushing for CBDCs here, central bank, digital currencies. We got the FBI spying on Americans.

I mean, openly Catholics in the Latin mass, pro-lifers, school board, parents. You've got the government, the Missouri versus Biden case, openly working with social media to censor people, government surveillance on disfavored political people. China didn't become more like us, we're becoming like them.

This is crazy.

Not because our constitution is bad, it's the best that has ever been written, in my opinion, but because the effect of our system on our country is so obviously bad. That people are looking to new models and people are like, giving up on democracy around the world. And I, you know, I spent a lot of time traveling.

I said seven foreign trips in the last four months and met with a lot of people who run countries and think about how to run countries. And we are no longer a beacon for good governance around the world, and our State Department is so out of control. It's such a force for bad around the world. And they'll roll into your. I mean, I've been with a lot of heads of state recently.

They'll roll into your country and they'll be like, Look, you know, you don't have enough gay kids. And the president will go well, okay, it's kind of not your business. And the State Department will be like, No, no, no. We want to make sure that your kids are trans, and that's our one. Non-negotiable.

No, I'm not joking at all. I had this conversation last night in my living room and it's like, and we're going to cut off aid. Unless you like, rejigger your sexual politics. And most people who run other countries and who live in other countries are like, Wait a second, we're a sovereign country, we can have any kind of sexual politics we want.

It's kind of not up to you. But we are aggressive cultural imperialists in pushing the LBGTQ Plus agenda to a much greater extent than people understand. It's like, it's crazy. That's what we're exporting, I mean, whether you're for it or against it, that's our export.

This was a country that once exported freedom and coca-cola helped bring down the wall in East Berlin and now-.

What they see is this intersectionality thing is a path to power. And if they can garner votes by supporting a bunch of murderous terrorists, they don't really give a shit. Like, it's not even about LGBT principles, it's about the idea that this is a lot of people they see candidly as just useful in their move to power.

I'll give you a perfect example, answer me.

LGBTQ, bio, PC, whatever. I lose my track with all this stuff all the time. If they turned around tomorrow and voted 90 Republican, you damn well know that that exact conversation you had last night would be the exact opposite. You have way too many gays in your country, too many gay, bisexual, trans people.

You know, 100? They would flip on a dime. It is, it's only a power play.

And so, yeah, there's not uniformity in that world at all, not at all or in any world. I mean, people are individuals, they have their own views on things, and that's something we should celebrate.

True diversity. But you're absolutely right, this is mostly it's not even political, it's a grab for power, the whole point of the Democratic Party. There are no ideas behind it, of course.

There's no ideology behind it, it changes every year. The only consistent theme in Democratic politics over the last 20 years has been safety in numbers. If we get enough of us together around any organizing principle that works, we will have power, and that's all we want.

And boy, I think that's a scary rationale for a political movement. Put me in charge there because, I mean, it's terrifying. It is they have nothing.

There is no unanimity in that at all. I was in Beverly Hills not that long ago, visiting a friend of a friend, not my type. But I'm on a radio station out there and I'm in this restaurant. I won't say which, because I'll probably burn the place down on the left and this guy comes running out.

He's like, I can't say anything in a restaurant. I'm a huge fan of your show and he still emails me and it just kind of cracked me up. Like, even in Beverly Hills, I'm going to take a quick break and we'll finish up our interview here with Tucker Carlson.

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Thank you so much, I hope I'm not like-.

By the way, just quick, I'm going to play just a quick soundbite here. It's short. You know, Yuval Harari, this globalist guy they all love. Yeah, of course, yeah.

This is it. I just want to get your virgin reaction to this because this thing is going to be great. So we'll jump right back in.

More like China, them, not like us, which is so unbelievably ironic. We're like, Ah, put them in the WTO. Free markets will solve everything. It didn't. The irony of the Covid crisis is these globalists out there, the World Economic Forum, the Great Reset crowd, these Imfers, Bo Lee, they love this totalitarian model.

They adore it. And there's this guy, Yuval Harari, I know, you know him, 60 minutes, loves him. All the big globalists love him.

The Obamas probably love him, too. He really nailed it with this soundbite about Covid. How what they were allowed to get away with is such a perfect vehicle for their new little, authoritarian future. Here check this out.

That again, you can stop all flights, you can lock down entire countries, you can actually do that, and life goes on in some way. And this, I would say, may make us more open to radical ideas about how to deal also with climate change.

And we got you to take an experimental vaccine, and really nobody did much about it. So next we'll give you a carbon passport, a central bank, digital currency, shit, we'll stamp a QR code on your forehead and you all are just going to go along. I mean, just listen to their own words.

You don't got to make stuff up.

Not even his first language, by the way, I don't think it was his first language. And he wrote a, You know, so he is, and he's a great communicator, which is even more ominous. But he's evil, and he's evil for a really simple reason. He's an atheist. And atheists shouldn't have power for an obvious reason, which is, there's no limit to what they believe they can do.

They think they're God, and that's the kind of person who's happy to commit genocide in the name of a greater good. Because there's no restraining power, he doesn't acknowledge any power beyond his own will. So it's not like, Well, there's certain things I can't do. Well, there's nothing, of course, you can't do.

And there's nothing you can't justify to yourself when you are certain there is no God. That's distinct from agnostics, which describes most people, like, on some days they think this, on some days they think that, but they're not. They're not totally sure that they're in charge of the universe. An atheist is absolutely positive that there is no higher power than his own will, and that is the vehicle for evil always.

There's never been a genocidal dictator who is not an atheist. And so that guy and people like him are a threat to your life. They're not just wrong, they're evil, and we should be very afraid of them, particularly him. Like Gavin Newsom, there's the marriage of no restraint at all, no principles, no scruples, no acknowledgement of anything over himself, and the ability to communicate very effectively.

So there are a lot of bad people in the world, a lot of evil people, but very few of them have the capacity to convince others. And that guy does, and so does Gavin Newsom. And that's why those are the people I'm afraid of.

I know I'd be protecting this guy. A few years later, as a Secret Service agent, I was just, Yeah, I mean, little did I know at the time. Tucker I'll kind of end on a-.

So I'm sitting in one in New York and the staff guy, they have escort privileges, says, Hey, let these two guys in. I'm pretty sure they were local Republicans and I remember them talking and they were like, you know, fuck this guy. When he comes in here, I'm gonna tell him this shit and all this other stuff like that. I'm listening to this whole thing and Clinton walks in, Hey bud, now you probably met Clinton.

Clinton like, listen, love him or hate him, that brother's sweated charisma, man, the sweat, I don't know what. Some special, you know, Professor X Oil, or whatever the hell he had, he just the dude had it again. I don't have to like the guy, I mean, the ladies apparently liked him.

Like, he's, I'm getting emotional over his speech, and I said to myself, Holy shit, I'm getting emotional over this speech. Can you imagine if you're a Democrat, you'll freaking run off a cliff for this guy? And it's exactly what happened with the Hopi Janji shit. So yeah, I saw it coming.

He was just weird and cringy around people. Obama was charismatic, but it was, ironically, you could never one-up Obama. So, like, if he was around the average Joe, he was a natural, like he played basketball with him. People were like, man, he's really cool, but if he was around someone he thought was trying to game him, which was everyone. Because you know those people you've been around, some of these people, they want to flex. Hey, look at my muscles, my wallet.

Obama would kneecap your ass right away, he would make you look like shit in front of everyone to show you like he was the king in that moment. But Clinton wouldn't do that. Clinton. I spent a time at this residence in the Hamptons with him at a pool party. Must've been 2,000 people there, packed.

Russell Simmons was there everyone, and, man, it didn't matter if you were Russell Simmons or Simmons, Russell. He'd be like, Hey buddy, and I'm like, Holy shit, this guy is. I'd never seen anything like it. Just like a magic. Which is so funny because he's married to Hillary, who's like the worst person ever and everyone hates. You're like, how did that happen?

And Trump's got that same thing. It's like, it's weird that he's got this reputation when he's speaking out in public. Like, it's kind of like this shtick, like bravado. And I'm rich. I got a gold toilet or whatever. And the left is like, Look, he's such an ego guy. But the hard reality about Donald Trump and the reason he's engendered such loyalty amongst people who really know him is in private. He's a totally different guy.

He's actually almost overly concerned with how you feel about him, and it's not an ego thing. It's like he wants to make it like he'll always bring people over to the table. Hey, he's Dan Bongino, he got a hundred thousand people on his podcast.

And the guy's like, Well, I don't even know who the hell you are like, who gives a shtick, but he wants to make you feel important. He's got a gift for that too.

Because most people who are in public, I mean, I'm 100th as famous as Donald Trump. But like, when I have dinner, it's usually like, in my backyard, you know what I mean? Or like, come over to my house because it's just quiet and you don't get bothered. Trump likes to meet people and they come over and he'll know everything about everybody at the table. Exactly as you said, here's so-and-so.

And, you know, brag about the people at the table, it's like the most-.

I said to him, You know, you and I share a mutual friend in Kid Rock.

So I'm at the table and we're at Bedminster and he's Djing, he's playing Pavarotti or whatever. I'm not an opera guy, I don't know, I'm not so Domo, I don't know shit about opera.

I grew up in Queens, I didn't even know what opera was. So he's like playing it, he goes well, what do you like? I said, Well, you know, I like kid rock.

So he puts some kid rock on. He goes, Hey, whatever, he's the guy he had for a day. He goes Tony, whatever his name is, come on over. He goes get Bobby on the phone.

So he puts him on the phone and he's like, I'm like, I had never met Kid Rock in my life. This was like three years ago, before I'd known who he was and got to hang out with him a little bit. And he puts him on the phone and my wife's like, cracking up, like, that's just Trump.

And then, like, the first time I meet him, I'm at Mar-a-Lago. This is like, right after he got into office. And I'm with a friend of a friend and the guy brings me over to the table and he loves crab meat, apparently. So he's got the thing with the server, with the top thing that all the rich people get, so he's sitting at the table.

He's like, Oh my gosh, Dan Bongino.

With my fingers.

I don't know if you feel the same way. I can't get them out. One of them is like, it always bothered me that the left will say something so factually incorrect. And because they've got this armada of media people, it becomes accepted as kind of gospel, like doctrinaire truth, and the right doesn't have that.

Like, if you and I even quote the left like, Oh, demographic destiny, Julian Castro said that it's like, Oh, you guys are racist. I'm like, I'm just quoting the other guy, but the left can make stuff up. And one of them, speaking of kind of a nice segue, unintentional, this Clinton surplus thing drives me freaking bananas.

My audience gets a kick out of it because it never happened yet. When you talk to the left in order to make it seem like they're fiscal stewards, they're like, Well, Bill Clinton ran a surplus. So I always just I keep this on my phone handy just to show you how this is. Not forget about Bill Clinton or finance nothing. It's about the media. They will tell you this happened.

It is like the chupacabra, there's no such thing. Here. Is the actual government debt by year, the years of Bill Clinton, you'll see an interesting phenomenon it goes up every year, the national debt.

So if there was a Clinton surplus, the debt would go down, not up. So there it is, right there, folks, you can actually look the numbers up. This is from the Treasury, by the way.

So you can look this up yourself and it just drives me. It's such a seemingly insignificant thing, but it drives me bananas. Because you'll watch Sunday shows now, and it'll still come up. They'll be like, you know, when Bill Clinton ran a surplus? I'm like, Bro, that never happened, you're just making that shit up.

Like, how many of them are real, and how many of them are the product of just repetitious lies? I mean, there's kind of whatever. I could give you a million examples, but I would just say a lot of people are waking up to the fact that. The cliches upon which we make a lot of our decisions, the assumptions that we have about the way the world is and about what happened within the lifetime of our grandparents. Like, a lot of that stuff is totally fake, completely fake, and it has political uses, and that's why they lied in the first place. And so, you know, it's kind of bewildering once you get. I mean, honestly, I don't believe anything on the internet. That's kind of where I am now.

And it is useful to read older books about things before the censorship was as universal as it is now. And you're just like, Wait, what, you know really? Roosevelt knew the Japanese were gonna bomb Pearl Harbor, Yes.

And the Senate Committee determined that. Yes, why didn't I know that, you know, and a lot of other things, so yeah.

Yeah, you're right.

He gives this great example of how, you know, when you read the history, like the tension was building into World War I, and the world was on edge. And then he writes, Really, go look at, like, the bond market, like, that's interesting. It wasn't moving at all, like, you're just making that up.

Like, that's totally fabricated bullshit, so your point is right, it's like, but you take it as fact, just like you said. Like, decades from now, because Libby's write the textbooks 100. January 6th is gonna be the worst thing that ever happened. Even though I was literally in a doctor's office getting my ears checked because I had an ear infection, like, what?

The world was gonna collapse and you were getting an ear infection. Check it out, yeah.

Tucker The only area? I think you and I disagree on some stuff, but I shouldn't say disagree. I'm kind of a I don't wanna say I'm a non-interventionist. But we lost my uncle in Vietnam in the late sixties, and I obviously wasn't alive, but it changed my family forever. I mean, my grandmother died depressed, and I frequently say to myself, my uncle, Greg, you know, what was that really about?

I mean, I don't wanna oversimplify it, like I said, I believe in realpolitik. Maybe there was an anti-communist goal over there, maybe it did stop the spread of communism, I don't know.

But I think we're far too cavalier with how we send our boys and girls and men and women overseas. It's like the Ukraine argument for me, I get it. I understand, like Russia is about Russia, and they're not about us. And if they could get rid of us, they probably would. But the lionizing of Ukraine after their unquestionable role in the attempted takedown of Donald Trump is kind of naive, too.

Like, this isn't the White Knight story you think it is. And I'll just never forget Fox Connors rules of war. You know, never go to war alone, never go to war for long, and never go to war unless you absolutely have to. And it seems like that shit's gone out the window and the people sending our men and women overseas don't wanna do shit themselves.

They just want you to go over there and your tax dollars.

So this is like a this is a history changing moment. And I have, look, I never would defend Russia rolling across the border into eastern Ukraine. I wasn't that interested. I'll be totally honest with you, because it's so far away. And it's not relevant to the country that I have lived in my whole life. But I'm not for it.

I'm not pro-Russia, I'm not even anti-Ukraine. I didn't have strong emotions either way, and I really still don't. I feel so sorry for the entire generation of Ukrainian men that's been killed at the demand of the Biden administration.

They've got blood on their hands. But mostly, what I object to is anything that hurts my country, and I think that's totally fair. It doesn't make me a defender of some regime in another country. I feel that way about all countries, you know?

And like my ancestors came from certain countries, Sweden and the UK, I'm not that interested in Sweden and the UK. I wish them well, but I mean, it's like, if they went to war. My first question would be, does this help or hurt my country and my children and my neighbors? Because I'm American and to see our leaders take such a different view on that is like, shocking to me.

But whatever they do, so I'm pointing it out, that doesn't make me a bad person in my view, it just makes me an American. Asking obvious questions. Oh, shut up Putin, Apollo, whatever.

Am I a Putin defender? No, and if I was, I would just go ahead and defend Putin. Do you know what I mean? So now, those criticisms are so meaningless to me that they have no sway over me at all.

I really don't care, and I think it's worth pushing. Tell me how this helps my country, our country. And if they can't answer that question, then I'm against it.

A lot of the stuff that goes, there's some really bad stuff happening in Russia. And like you, I wish nothing but the best for the Ukrainians. They certainly don't deserve to be getting bombed out at all. But I just what I don't get about the whole Ukraine-Russia saga is the effort by people in the media that infantilize us and talk to us like, we're children. Like, just be honest.

What is the end game? Does Ukraine honestly have a chance? No matter what? We give them F-16s, we give them new Harpoons for Taiwan, or whatever it is, what's your end game?

And the interesting thing is, they can never answer that we're going bankrupt. We have no southern border, we have the destruction of our culture at home. And then you're paying Ukrainian pensions and you're wondering why?

People like you and I ask questions like, Hey, is that really the best thing for my kids? Because I pay taxes here? And my family shed blood like my uncle's dead. For a war that ended in nothing but the same essential semi-communist system they have now. Like, I'm going to ask questions and you shut the fuck up like, I have some questions here, bro.

It's my money and it's my country.

Do you know what I mean? So I might get hysterical if you call me that, but they get hysterical on the things like me and everybody else that they're sensitive about. And they're sensitive about those things because they're lying about those things and they're trying to hide what they're actually doing.

Where can they find you? You know, I give them all the details because I know they're going to flock over there.

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I want a piece instead, because you know what, I'm going to make your thing big. You were smart. That's the way to do it.

I mean, you're doing it now.

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