Michigan Primary Preview, Biden Administration Sues To Block Grocery Merger

2024-02-27 00:14:46

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8Speaker 8
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Michigan votes today, and some Democrats say they're voting

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uncommitted instead of President Biden.

4Speaker 4
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He nor Vice President Harris should take our vote for granted.

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What's the president hearing from voters who delivered the state forum in 2020?

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I'm Michelle Martin, that's Steve Inskeep, and this is Up First from NPR News.

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Some Michigan voters warned Biden to change course on the Israel-Hamas war.

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We're not sizable enough to make a candidate win,

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but we're sizable enough to make a candidate lose.

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Our colleagues Leila Fadel and Don Gagne have been crossing the state.

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What are they hearing?

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Also, the United States goes to court to stop a grocery mega-merger.

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Kroger and Albertson's propose to combine.

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What does that mean for your neighborhood supermarket?

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Michigan holds its presidential primary today.

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We know who's likely to win, but we don't know what messages voters may be trying to

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send with their vote or decision not to vote, as the case may be.

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And they matter because Michigan is a presidential swing state,

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one of six that went to Joe Biden in 2020 and decided the election.

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Now he seems likely to face Donald Trump again.

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And Biden and Trump, of course, are the favorites today.

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For a preview today, we're joined by our co-host Leila Fadal and by NPR national

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political correspondent Don Gagne, both in the great state of Michigan.

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Good morning.

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Good morning.

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Good morning.

4Speaker 4
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Don, what are you looking for?

7Speaker 7
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Well, on the GOP side, Donald Trump should have little trouble.

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Nikki Haley is on the ballot.

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She vows to continue to give Republican voters an option other than Trump,

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at least through Super Tuesday.

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On the Democratic side, there's President Biden, who faces only minor challengers on the ballot.

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Except there is one challenge to Biden that is really worth watching today.

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It's an orchestrated campaign by pro-Palestinian activists who are angry.

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And that is an understatement.

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They're angry that Biden has not called for a complete and permanent ceasefire in

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Gaza and to pressure him to do so, to send him a strong message.

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Arab Americans and Muslim Americans, many of them based in Dearborn,

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are urging Democratic primary voters to vote uncommitted.

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Layla, I've been listening to your reporting in that voter group.

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How widespread is the protest?

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I mean, it's beyond the Arab and American Muslim communities.

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We heard that same outreach in the Detroit metro area about Gaza from young people,

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progressives, other people of color, and specifically from young Black voters who

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were saying to me, they worry about Gaza, but also human rights in the U.S.

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Voting rights, police brutality, equality, inclusivity.

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And of course, the economy came up too.

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And that's all making them think about sitting out this election.

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Take Kaya Brazil.

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She's Black, a full-time student at Wayne State.

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She's 30.

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And she had to quit one of her two full-time jobs to enroll in school.

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She's a lifelong Democrat, has always voted.

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But this year, she's not inspired.

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In the Democratic primaries today, she may vote uncommitted.

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And in the general election, she's thinking about staying home.

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So I asked her what she wants to hear from a candidate for president.

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We need a livable wage.

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It is absolutely ridiculous that you can work 40 plus hours and not be able to support yourself,

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let alone a family.

4Speaker 4
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OK, so she can send a message in the primary, but there's also the general election.

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Are there people in these voter groups who are thinking of Donald Trump as a

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choice for them in the fall?

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A small, small minority.

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The big question is more, how many show up for the Democrats?

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The big question in a state like Michigan, where it's all about the margins.

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When we asked the campaign about their concern around the protest vote against Biden among

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would-be Democratic voters over Gaza, they said he's working for peace in the Middle East,

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but then highlighted a lot of other important issues that might appeal to these voters,

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like his investment in green energy or his stance on reproductive rights.

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So it seems like the campaign is hoping to win back voters who are

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angry with these other issues, where they might see him as doing well.

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So again, all these voter groups are important, but none give Michigan to a candidate alone.

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I think Dearborn Mayor Abdullah Hammoud,

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the first Arab-American mayor of a majority Arab-American city, put it to us best.

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We're not sizable enough to make a candidate win,

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but we're sizable enough to make a candidate lose.

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Now, after hearing from him, we went to a Baptist church right here in Detroit

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and spent some time with Reverend Kenneth Flowers.

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He's a committed Democrat, a Biden fan.

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He'll be voting, but he points to the low unemployment rates

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and the infrastructure bill as some of the wins for his community.

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But he's in his 60s, and he says he's concerned because in his congregation and community,

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he's hearing that same apathy and sometimes anger.

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Now, Black voters turned out for Biden in 2020.

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He won by about 94% among that demographic.

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This year, though, Flowers says, based on his conversations,

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the president doesn't have the same pull now as he did then,

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and he has a lot of work to do before.

4Speaker 4
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President Biden needs every Black vote he can get.

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Now, at the same time, he nor Vice President Harris should take our vote for granted.

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They have to earn it.

3Speaker 3
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Of course, no group is a monolith, Steve.

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But that's the type of apathy we heard,

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not just in these candidates, but in the two-party system itself.

4Speaker 4
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And let's remember that the vote was pretty close in 2020.

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Now, Don, Layla has given us some impressions of specific voters there.

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How do those impressions compare with what you have experienced

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as someone who's living in Michigan?

7Speaker 7
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Oh, it's real.

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According to my reporting, according to my living here and encountering people,

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it's especially palpable in the Arab and Muslim-American communities, certainly.

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But African-American voters talk about their frustrations.

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And if you head out to the suburbs where a lot of independents

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and more moderate Republicans helped Biden out in 2020,

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they're still watching.

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And for some, it's maybe not even a choice between Biden and Trump.

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It's whether or not to vote at all at the top of the ballot.

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This is indeed worth mentioning.

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And already people are quick to ponder a third-party vote

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when I have conversations with them.

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I used to hear a lot of that over the years in the general election,

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but never during primary week.

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And now Nikki Haley supporters I talk to are wondering

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what other options may be out there for them.

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Same with Arab-American voters, certainly with Black voters too.

4Speaker 4
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I'm glad you mentioned suburbs.

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Of course, there's a lot of Midwestern suburbs

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that were very red years ago and are getting more blue.

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And the question is whether Biden can sustain that.

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And I also wonder about the union vote in Michigan.

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Union households traditionally support Democrats,

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some like Trump, certainly.

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But overall, Biden won them big.

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With the United Auto Workers Union,

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it's usually around 60% for the Democrat,

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a solid margin by any measure, right?

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And it helped Biden win in 2020.

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But the catch is there's no letting up for Biden.

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He needs to do that again.

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He needs that margin.

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He does have a big endorsement from the UAW

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and its charismatic new leader, Sean Fain.

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The UAW was coming off a strike in the fall

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and they got a contract with big raises.

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Biden even marched on the picket line with them.

3Speaker 3
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Yeah, well, I went out to Flint where GM was founded.

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And despite all these wins,

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I spent time with a family that's four generations

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of auto workers and they all seem to be leaning,

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not enthusiastically, but leaning towards Trump

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over things like immigration and Ukraine.

7Speaker 7
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And that underscores this is not a monolith.

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Biden needs to work it because he needs to do well

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with unions more than ever,

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especially if other pieces of the coalition,

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as we've been talking, are not enthusiastic.

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You know, it's a mix of constituencies

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that Democrats really need to win in Michigan.

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Biden needs to tend to them all

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and to do so by keeping the margins of victory

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at their typical level within each group.

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And Trump, meanwhile, just has to make some inroads

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and to pick off enough of them to win himself.

4Speaker 4
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We'll keep listening for both of your reporting

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in the days ahead.

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NPR's Leila Fadal and Don Gagne, thanks to you both.

7Speaker 7
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My pleasure.

3Speaker 3
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Thank you.

4Speaker 4
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The U.S. government wants to stop a merger

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of grocery chains and nine states are going along.

8Speaker 8
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America's two largest supermarket chains,

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Kroger and Albertson's, want to become one.

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That mega merger would reshape the industry,

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which now also includes retail giants

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like Amazon and Walmart.

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But the Biden administration

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and several states are suing to block it.

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NPR's Lena Seljuk is here.

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Good morning.

1Speaker 1
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Good morning.

4Speaker 4
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Okay, I want to clear up the very important thing.

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I grew up in Indiana saying grocery.

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People also say, what, grocery?

1Speaker 1
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People complain about that.

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I've heard, I mean, obviously lots of people say grocery.

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I say grocery.

4Speaker 4
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Okay, grocery it is for the course of this report.

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We'll stick to that.

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How big would these two grocery chains be

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if they're combined?

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This would be the biggest grocery deal

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in recent history.

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It's worth almost $25 billion.

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And so what you have is you have Kroger,

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which is the largest supermarket chain.

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It owns all these other stores

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like Ralph's, Harris Teeter, Fred Meyer.

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And then you have Albertson's,

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which is its top direct competitor.

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And it also owns Safeway, Vons, Juul, Osco.

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And together they employ 720,000 people.

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They own about 5,000 locations across 48 states.

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And so the Federal Trade Commission,

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along with nine states,

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are suing to stop that merger,

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arguing that it would erase competition

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for both shoppers and for workers.

4Speaker 4
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Wow, I'm realizing, listening to this,

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I mean, my mom hundreds of miles from here

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is shopping in one of these stores.

1Speaker 1
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I'm shopping in one of these stores.

4Speaker 4
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Yeah, so what is the case

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that the companies took to the government

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that this merger should be okay?

1Speaker 1
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They presented this deal as existential

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to surviving in today's grocery business.

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They say, sure, we're top regional chains,

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but the real competitors are these national giants

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like Amazon, Walmart, Costco, even dollar stores.

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Walmart sells more groceries

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than Kroger and Albertsons combined.

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Plus they say the two of them

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are the largest union shops in American retail.

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And so they say blocking their deal

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would actually just boost

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these massive non-union stores.

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And they certainly expect a tough scrutiny.

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They also tried to cushion their deal

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by pitching a plan to sell off hundreds of stores

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in areas where they overlap

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to basically create a competitor to themselves.

4Speaker 4
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Saying we are the union shops

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would seem to be an argument designed

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to appeal to the pro-union Biden administration,

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but it sounds like federal regulators weren't impressed.

1Speaker 1
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They did not buy the arguments on,

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for example, on the plan to sell the stores.

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The FTC said this plan is a messy hodgepodge

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that the buyer would struggle to run,

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let alone grow to compete.

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On the question on national competitors,

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I post that one to Rahul Rao.

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He's one of the main officials on this case at the FTC.

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And he said the review really looked

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at how people actually shop for food.

7Speaker 7
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For example, there's not a Walmart near where I live.

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And in a lot of rural communities,

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there aren't Walmarts out there.

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It takes days for Amazon to be delivered.

1Speaker 1
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Dollar stores don't carry a deli or a butcher.

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And the main argument against the merger right now

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is that Kroger and Albertsons compete head-to-head

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on food prices, on pharmacy hours,

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on quality of products, on benefit packages.

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And they wouldn't really need to

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if they're the same company.

4Speaker 4
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Is this lawsuit going all the way to trial?

1Speaker 1
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I think so, and pretty rapidly in legal terms.

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It will be a very interesting case.

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One thing to note, regulators are going

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to be testing this new kind of argument,

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which is that mergers should protect

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not only consumers and prices, but also workers.

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And we haven't really seen it tested in court,

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so it will be interesting to watch.

4Speaker 4
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And, Pearsalina Seljuk, thanks for the update

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on the grocery, grocery, grocery industry.

1Speaker 1
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Grocery, grocery. Thank you.

4Speaker 4
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And that's a first for this Tuesday, February 27th,

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almost the last day of the month

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that I have to pronounce February.

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I'm Steve Inskeep.

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