Trump Arraignment, Republicans and Climate Change, Russia Strikes Ukrainian Port

2023-08-03 00:13:49

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It was amazing.

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Everybody needs to watch it.

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You need to watch it, Zach.

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I was like crying and laughing the whole time.

1Speaker 1
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Donald Trump is due back in court today.

2Speaker 2
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And he's expected to plead not guilty

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to charges that he conspired

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to overturn the 2020 election.

4Speaker 4
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He had every right to advocate

3Speaker 3
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for a position that he believed in.

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that's a top concern for most people

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with one exception, Republicans.

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And Russia is increasingly using food

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as a weapon of war.

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After Moscow pulled out of a vital grain deal,

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it attacked a port in Ukraine,

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damaging 40,000 tons of grain

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destined for countries around the world.

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MIT psychologist Sherry Turkle.

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Her latest research

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into the intimate relationships

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people are having with chatbots.

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Former President Donald Trump

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is returning to the nation's capital today.

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He's set to appear before a federal judge

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on new criminal charges

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related to January 6th.

1Speaker 1
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Trump faces four new felony counts

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stemming from his efforts

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to hold on to power

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after the 2020 election.

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At the same time,

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he's running for president.

2Speaker 2
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NPR White House correspondent

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Franco Ordoñez is here

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to talk about how he's trying

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to balance those objectives

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and to pay for them.

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Good morning, Franco.

3Speaker 3
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Good morning, Laila.

2Speaker 2
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So what do we expect

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to happen in court today?

3Speaker 3
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Well, Trump's being charged

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with four crimes,

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including leading a conspiracy

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to defraud the U.S.

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and obstructing an official proceeding.

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He's expected to plead not guilty

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to all of them.

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His lawyer, John Lauro,

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talked to our own Sasha Pfeiffer

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on All Things Considered yesterday,

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and he says that Trump

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is protected by the First Amendment

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and that the Justice Department

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is trying to criminalize free speech.

5Speaker 5
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It's a very straightforward defense

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that he had every right

4Speaker 4
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to advocate for a position

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that he believed in

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and his supporters believed in.

3Speaker 3
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Of course, Laila, prosecutors

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paint a much different picture

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in the 45-page indictment.

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They say Trump can advocate

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for his position.

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They say he can even lie

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about the results.

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But they say he can't use

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the tools of government

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and enlist co-conspirators

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to try and prevent

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a core function of democracy.

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That's the peaceful transfer of power.

2Speaker 2
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And this case against Trump

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is one of many,

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and defending himself can't be cheap.

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How is Trump paying all his lawyers

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while also funding

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an expensive presidential campaign?

3Speaker 3
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Yeah, it's all tangled together,

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and defending these cases

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has been a drag on the campaign.

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I mean, Trump's leadership committee

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has spent more than $40 million

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on legal costs just this year,

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according to The Washington Post.

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But he's making a lot of money as well.

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The campaign uses these challenges

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to really flood the inboxes of supporters

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to help fund the defense.

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And we've seen the numbers,

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and it's been pretty fruitful.

2Speaker 2
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So it's been fruitful to his finances.

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He's making money off it.

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But what about to his campaign?

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What's his messaging on this,

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his third criminal indictment?

3Speaker 3
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Well, it's kind of just

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all added to the mix.

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I mean, Trump points to the charges

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to push his claims.

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He's a political victim.

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He's been on social media

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even this morning,

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tweeting about free speech.

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And I'm sure he'll bring it up

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in Alabama and South Carolina,

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where he's expected to speak

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later this week.

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Layla, one popular line

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that he likes to repeat,

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and I bet we'll hear it soon,

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is that federal prosecutors

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are not coming after him.

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They're coming after you.

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He means the voters, of course,

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and that he's standing in the way.

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And it's a line that often

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gets a lot of applause.

2Speaker 2
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You know, his rivals

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have been reticent

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to speak against him,

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some even defending him.

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But we did hear from

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former Vice President Mike Pence.

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Has this indictment

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changed those dynamics now?

3Speaker 3
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Yeah, we did hear

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some of the sharpest language

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yet from Pence yesterday.

4Speaker 4
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President Trump asked me

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to put him over the Constitution,

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but I chose the Constitution

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and I always will.

5Speaker 5
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I really do believe that

4Speaker 4
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anyone who puts himself

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over the Constitution

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should never be president

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of the United States.

3Speaker 3
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It's interesting

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because Pence has been resistant

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to speak out against Trump,

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and most of his rivals

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continue to be,

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and that's because

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of Trump's popularity

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with the Republican base.

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Both Governor Ron DeSantis

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and Senator Tim Scott,

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for example,

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they accused the Biden administration

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of weaponizing government.

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So it's going to be interesting

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to see whether Pence

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benefits from the tough talk

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or is politically hurt by it.

2Speaker 2
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White House Correspondent

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Franco Ordoñez.

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Thank you, Franco.

3Speaker 3
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Thanks, Leila.

2Speaker 2
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July was the hottest month

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ever recorded on planet Earth.

1Speaker 1
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Now, those record high temperatures

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are fueled by climate change,

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and scientists say

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it's only going to get hotter.

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That is unless leaders

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of the world's most powerful countries

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step up to curb emissions,

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but for the most part, they're not.

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And in the U.S.,

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a new NPR-PBS NewsHour Marist poll

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shows that it's largely

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because one political party

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is turning away

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from the climate crisis.

2Speaker 2
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Joining us now to talk about that

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and more in this latest survey

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is NPR Senior Political Editor

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and Correspondent Domenico Montanaro.

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Hi, Domenico.

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Hey, thanks for having me.

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All right.

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So let's get to climate change

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and the party we're talking about,

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Republicans.

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What did Republicans we talked to

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say about the climate crisis?

4Speaker 4
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Well, we asked people a few questions

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about climate change,

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including one that I think

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is really key for why

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so little is getting done in Congress

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to address the problem,

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and that's exploring this tension

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between climate change and the economy.

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Now, climate change is costing

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the country and the world

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billions of dollars

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in disaster funding and preparation,

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but Republican messaging to their base

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has been about the potential

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short-term cost of climate change.

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So we asked if priority

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should be given to climate change,

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even at the risk of slowing the economy,

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or to the economy,

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even if it means ignoring climate change.

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The results really were eye-opening.

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I thought overall,

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a majority of people said

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climate change should be the priority,

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including a majority of independents.

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But here's the rub.

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Three-quarters of Republicans

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said the opposite.

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In fact, as the days have gotten hotter,

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Republicans have only increased

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in feeling this way,

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up 13 points in the last five years.

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A lot of that could be attributed

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to the way former President Trump

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speaks about the climate crisis.

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You know, the leader of the Republican Party

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over the last several years.

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The science is settled,

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the evidence is clear,

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but he's downplayed its effects,

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and we've seen that base

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that loves him so much

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seem to really lap up

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everything he's had to say.

2Speaker 2
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But, I mean, like you said,

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the science is settled.

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Don't most people see climate change

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as a major threat,

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not just to the country,

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but to the world we live in?

4Speaker 4
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Yeah, I mean, most people do, you know,

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but only a small minority of Republicans do,

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and you need Republicans and Democrats

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to be able to agree on something

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to get something done.

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Seventy percent of Republicans

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in our poll said that climate change

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is either just a minor threat

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or no threat at all.

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Overall, majorities of respondents

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also said climate change

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is having a serious impact

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and having at least some effect

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on their communities now.

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But 80 percent of Republicans

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said climate change

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will in the future

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only have a minor impact

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or in their communities,

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none at all.

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The only potential glimmer

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for climate change action here

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is that younger people

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are more likely to say

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that they see climate change

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as a major threat.

2Speaker 2
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Okay, so this was a fairly

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wide-ranging poll

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beyond just climate change,

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and it dealt with how people

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also view institutions

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in this country,

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like Congress,

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where these climate laws

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would be made.

08:16.50 – 08:17.08

What did it find?

4Speaker 4
08:17.44 – 08:18.22

Yeah, I mean, institutions

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are really suffering right now.

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I mean, Congress has,

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among the lowest ratings

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we've ever tested,

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just 22 percent said

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they have some confidence in Congress.

08:25.90 – 08:26.66

The Supreme Court

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continues to get poor ratings.

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Even the FBI,

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which had been so vaunted

08:30.38 – 08:31.14

for so long,

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has become really split

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with people with Republicans

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not trusting it,

08:35.04 – 08:36.28

Democrats trusting it.

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And we've seen that

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there's been all these indictments

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of former President Trump,

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and it's really been

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in the middle of all of our politics.

2Speaker 2
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And we have a presidential election

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coming up.

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What about politics?

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How are people viewing

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the parties and President Biden?

4Speaker 4
08:49.06 – 08:49.66

Yeah, I mean,

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people don't like either party,

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you know,

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and President Biden

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is getting really

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middling approval ratings,

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just a 41 percent approval rating.

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Somebody's got to win in 2024,

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even though people

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don't seem to like President Biden

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or former President Trump.

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This spells a lot of volatility,

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and we shouldn't be surprised

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by any surprises

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that come forward

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in the 2024 election.

2Speaker 2
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And Piers Domenico-Montanaro,

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thank you so much.

4Speaker 4
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You're so welcome.

2Speaker 2
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Ukraine is struggling to find

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a way to export its grain

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as Russia repeatedly

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strikes its ports.

1Speaker 1
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Drones and missiles

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have hit Ukrainian ports

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on the Black Sea

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for the last couple of weeks,

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ever since Moscow

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withdrew from a deal

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safeguarding ships

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carrying Ukrainian grain exports

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to world markets.

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And Russia is now targeting

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a main alternative route

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for that grain

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at Ukraine's ports

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on the Danube River.

2Speaker 2
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Joining us now from Kyiv

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to talk about this

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is NPR's Joanna Kakasis.

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Hi, Joanna.

5Speaker 5
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Hi, Leila.

2Speaker 2
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So tell us about these ports

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on the Danube River.

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How important have they become

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to Ukraine's exports?

5Speaker 5
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Well, you know,

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since Russia pulled out of that deal

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protecting container ships

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in the Black Sea,

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the river ports of Izmail and Rennie

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have become essential

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to keeping grain exports moving.

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These ports are located

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on the lower Danube River

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in the far southwest of Ukraine.

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The Danube is the largest river

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in the European Union.

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It starts in Germany

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and runs through Eastern Europe,

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and it forms part of Ukraine's

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border with Romania,

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a member of NATO

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and the European Union.

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The Danube also empties

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into the Black Sea,

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but in a part of the sea

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that is very close to Romania

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and, of course, NATO.

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And so until now,

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it felt more protected

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than other ports on the Black Sea.

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And I should say

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that before the war,

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these Danube ports were hardly used.

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They are much smaller

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than the port of Odessa,

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for example.

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But now they account

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for at least a third

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of grain exports,

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according to Ukraine's

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infrastructure ministry.

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Ukraine is also trying

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to transport grain by rail and road,

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but that's very expensive.

2Speaker 2
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And what kind of damage

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have the Russian strikes

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on these river ports caused?

5Speaker 5
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Well, on Wednesday,

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Russia used drones to hit Izmail,

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which is Ukraine's main inland port.

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It's right across the river

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from Romania.

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The drone attacks destroyed

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buildings in the port

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and also stranded ships

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preparing to load

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with Ukrainian grain.

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Ukraine's infrastructure ministry

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said that these attacks

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also damaged and destroyed

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almost 40,000 tons of grain

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that was supposed to be

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going to countries in Africa,

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as well as to China and Israel.

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Global food prices shot up.

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And, you know, the attacks,

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you know, really scared people

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in the city of Izmail.

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I spoke by phone with

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Mykola Koplyenko,

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who lives in Izmail

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and works at the local university.

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And he said this remote

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corner of Ukraine

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was largely spared during the war.

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And now it feels almost

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like a front line

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and a front line

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just across the river

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from NATO and the EU.

2Speaker 2
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It's also dangerous

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for the EU, I guess,

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because sometimes, you know,

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the drone can miss.

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The territory of Izmail port

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is like 200 meters

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from the territory

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of the European Union.

5Speaker 5
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In other words, he says,

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an errant missile or drone

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could strike Romania.

2Speaker 2
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And now you mentioned

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this 40,000 tons of grain

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that was damaged,

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that was supposed to go

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to other countries.

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Ukrainian grain is a vital

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food source for many countries,

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especially in Africa.

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What options does Ukraine

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have at this point

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to get the grain

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to countries that need it?

5Speaker 5
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So Ukraine's leaders

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are asking their allies

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for more help,

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like to beef up air defense

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around these Danube ports.

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And Mykola Koplyenko,

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the Izmail resident I spoke to,

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he said, you know,

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they understand

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that the Ukrainian military

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may not have the resources now.

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So he says local residents

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are actually trying to crowdsource

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to help pay

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for air defense equipment.

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Meanwhile, with exports,

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the alternatives,

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transporting this grain

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via train or road,

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that's much more expensive

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and not very efficient.

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As I mentioned earlier,

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a lot of countries

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are relying on this grain.

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