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Dropping aid in Gaza, border visits, the Supreme Court, and the Senate Minority Leader.

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It's been a busy week in U.S. politics, so don't go away, we've got all the important

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updates.

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I'm Scott Simon.

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I'm Aisha Roscoe, and this is Up First from NPR News.

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From hoping for a ceasefire in Gaza to dropping aid there instead.

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What's America's influence in the Middle East like now?

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At home, a U.S. state may end its decriminalization of many drugs.

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Oregon's state legislature just voted to recriminalize possession there.

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And it was election day in Iran.

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Thousands competed to fill the country's parliament yesterday.

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Including the powerful so-called Assembly of Experts.

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So who looks victorious?

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Stay with us, we have the news you need to start your weekend.

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Border visits by President Biden and Donald Trump, the Senate Minority Leader, and the

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Supreme Court.

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NPR Senior Washington Correspondent and Editor Ron Elving joined us to review the week in

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politics and preview the one coming up.

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Ron, thanks for being with us.

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Good to be with you, Scott.

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President Biden began the week by saying he hoped for a ceasefire in Gaza.

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By Monday, he has ended the week without that prospect and says the U.S. is going to drop

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aid to hungry people there.

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What does it say about U.S. influence in the current conflict?

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It says our power to bring even a temporary pause in this war is quite limited.

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We can try to bring the warring parties together, and we have, but both sides still seem determined

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to achieve something they want by force of arms.

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Talks are expected to resume on Monday in Cairo, and Ramadan begins a week after that.

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There's hope, but we also have the fallout from what happened this week when a crowd

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came to meet an aid convoy.

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Accounts differ, but at some point, Israeli soldiers started shooting.

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There are reports of more than 100 dead and hundreds wounded or injured.

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The U.N. Secretary General is calling for an independent investigation.

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U.S. Supreme Court will hear arguments in April about Donald Trump's claims that as

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former president, he's immune from prosecution.

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What are the implications?

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Enormous.

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With this added delay, the case may not be resolved before November, and that would leave

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an unprecedented question hanging over the election.

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That's why special counsel Jack Smith asked the high court to take the case last year,

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assuming that the justices would want to have the last word sooner or later.

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But the court said no, then.

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The Circuit Court of Appeals should rule first, they said.

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Now the appeals court has ruled, unanimously, and resoundingly rejecting Trump's claim

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of immunity.

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The Supremes could just let that ruling stand, but instead, they're going to hear the case

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themselves, seven weeks from now, and rule on it sometime after that.

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Maybe by June.

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Both President Biden and Donald Trump visited the U.S.-Mexico border Thursday.

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Ron, what do you make of the fact that, according to Gallup, the number one campaign issue for

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2024 is not the economy, inflation, crime, racism, the war in Ukraine, abortion rights,

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or the budget deficit.

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It's immigration.

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The percentage saying immigration went up from 20% to 28% in one month.

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That's a lot.

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That suggests the economy must be doing better, inflation must be coming down, and all those

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other issues are just a little less salient at the moment, because immigration seems to

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be a worsening problem, or certainly a more prominent one in the news.

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It's also the issue generating the most visual sense of crisis.

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So we are all seeing lots of video depicting a difficult situation as out of control.

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How naive does it sound for me to ask you, Ron, what are the prospects for a bipartisan

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deal on immigration enforcement?

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In one sense, it's not naive at all, Scott.

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The Senate has in fact reached just such a deal, thanks to a 50-50 bipartisan group of

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senators who worked on it for weeks, months, really, this winter.

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It embodies compromise, and yet it could create the toughest border regime in generations.

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But of course, actually doing something about the border would take the edge off the issue

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politically this year.

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So Trump has made it clear he's against it, and Republicans in both the House and Senate

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have now blocked further consideration.

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Mitch McConnell, stepping down as Senate Republican leader in November, what do you think he'll

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be remembered for?

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He'll be known as the longest-serving leader in either party in Senate history.

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But he himself says his greatest accomplishment was keeping President Obama from filling a

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vacancy on the Supreme Court in 2016.

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McConnell would not even allow hearings on that nominee.

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That not only allowed Trump to fill that seat, it also allowed him to campaign on filling

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that seat, and it gave religious conservatives a reason to vote for him.

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The three justices he was able to appoint as a result have since overturned Roe v. Wade

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and half a century of abortion rights.

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Super Tuesday, Tuesday, what are you watching?

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Just the delegate totals.

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These 15 states voting on Tuesday will do what the early voting states did, pile up

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delegates for Biden and for Trump.

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The only real suspense concerns what Trump's last challenger, Nikki Haley, will do next.

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And Piers Ron Elving, thanks so much for being with us on a busy week.

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Thank you, Scott.

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Oregon State Legislature has voted to recriminalize drug possession.

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And the governor has indicated she's open to signing the bill.

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Dirk Van Der Hart with Oregon Public Broadcasting joins us.

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Dirk, thanks for being with us.

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Hey, Scott.

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Begin by telling us, please, what's in this new bill.

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Yeah, well, there's a lot in the bill.

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I mean, the reason you and I are talking about it is because of one specific piece that would

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make possessing small amounts of drugs a crime punishable by up to six months in jail.

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That is a stark difference from the law Oregon has operated under since 2021, when drug possession

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became a violation similar to a traffic ticket.

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But you know, this is not merely Oregon reverting back to the old days.

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The Democrats who wrote this bill insist they're putting forward a sort of kinder, gentler

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approach to criminal justice.

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The bill offers drug users the option of avoiding a conviction if they agree to seek treatment.

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And even when people are put in jail under the bill, they could be released in order

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to participate in drug treatment.

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The other major thing the bill would do is expand access to addiction services for drug

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users in Oregon, which I think many people see as the most important piece.

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Oregonians voted to decriminalize drug possession in 2020.

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Already, right now, there's an overhaul.

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What happened?

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Yeah, I mean, I think a couple of things.

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You know, the first is that the system envisioned under that ballot measure you mentioned has

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been very slow to emerge.

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This was based on the idea that addiction should be addressed with health care rather

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than police and jails.

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But Oregon stumbled when it came to creating the treatment services that were necessary

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for that to happen.

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The second thing is that decriminalization really coincided with a growing fentanyl crisis

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that's led to a surge of overdose deaths here.

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It's created public disorder, things like open drug use on the streets of Portland.

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That has convinced, I think, many people that things aren't working.

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And some of the state's richest people have begun backing a ballot measure to end decriminalization.

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That I think put a lot of pressure on lawmakers to act, since many of them thought that measure

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would be harmful.

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Was there opposition?

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There was.

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You know, this has been a very hard-fought debate here, and I think an extremely tough

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call for many Democrats in particular.

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One senator said yesterday, there are hard votes, harder votes, and then there was this

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vote.

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But lawmakers wound up supporting it anyway.

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Republicans have wanted to end decriminalization for years now.

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They argue criminal consequences are necessary to fight addiction.

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Democrats have been far more wary, as I say, but in the end, I think they were moved by

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the threat of that ballot measure.

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And meanwhile, advocacy groups and some drug treatment providers have been very adamant

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that this decision is a mistake for Oregon.

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They believe the state is retreating back to a failed war on drugs, and they can credibly

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point to numbers that suggest it will be felt disproportionately by people of color.

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What happens next?

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Well, the bill moves on to Oregon's Democratic governor, Tina Kotak.

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She doesn't like to show her cards when it comes to bills.

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She hasn't done that entirely at this point, but she has, as you say, said she's open to

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signing it.

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I think she's widely expected to sign it.

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Assuming that happens, there are big questions about how this new law will mean going forward,

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what it means.

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Criminal consequences would kick in in September.

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The state estimates show that they are likely to funnel more than 1,000 people into the

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criminal justice system every year.

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That is certain to create issues in Oregon, which has a pretty severe public defender

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shortage.

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And I don't think it will just be the courts.

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This is a brand new system that would be implemented here.

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I think everyone expects it could get a little rocky.

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Derek Vander Hart with OPB, thanks so much for being with us.

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Yeah, it's my pleasure, Scott.

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Thousands vied to fill Oran's parliament during Election Day Friday.

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But voters seemed to ignore calls to turn out.

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And here's Peter Kenyon, who is following the story of her Miss Dunbow.

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Peter, thanks for being with us.

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Hi, Scott.

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How'd the voting go?

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Well, the official statement is everything went fine, no problems.

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Turnout, however, seems quite low.

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Iran has long argued that its regular staging of elections is itself a sign that it is in

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fact a democracy, an argument long dismissed by Western officials and other critics.

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Here's how Oran's English-language press TV channel framed the election before polls opened.

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Top Iranian officials say huge turnout in the elections will give the country great

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advantages in the international arena.

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The leader of Iran's Islamic revolution has also emphasized that people's participation

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in the voting will make friends of the nation happy and will disappoint the ill-wishers.

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But voters showed no inclination to make the government happy.

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Calls to boycott the vote, they began to surface well before Election Day.

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And many Iranians apparently decided to heed those calls.

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And the results being described as possibly a record low turnout.

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We're waiting for the final figures.

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And this continues a trend of declining voter participation in past few years.

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Even as recently as 2017, President Hassan Rouhani was on the ballot then.

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Some 70% of eligible voters reportedly turned out.

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That's how most Iranian elections used to be staged.

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High turnout was normal.

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Not so much these days.

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Rouhani, by the way, was among those candidates blocked from running for the Assembly of Experts

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this time.

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Peter, what's being said about the low turnout?

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Well, critics, of course, say it's a public repudiation of the cleric-led government.

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And this vote was held after a rocky period.

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This was the first election since the death in 2022 of a young Kurdish Iranian woman,

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22-year-old Mahsa Amini, in the custody of Iran's morality police, as she'd been picked

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up for allegedly wearing her Islamic headscarf improperly.

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Her death sparked massive anti-government protests in what was deemed the biggest public

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challenge to the government since the Islamic Revolution back in 1979.

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Now this time, ahead of this election, top officials, including the Supreme Leader, including

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the President, tried to exhort the electorate to turn out in large numbers, apparently with

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little effect.

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Now, the parliament's really not that big a deal.

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It's not a heavyweight player in politics in Iran.

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But the vote is a sign that the country's leaders want to do what it takes to keep the

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country on a hardline conservative course.

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And how is that conservative course likely to play out in the days ahead?

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Well, it will likely maintain Iran's general hostilities to the West.

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That was probably never in doubt.

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But it could also have an impact on future leadership of the Islamic Republic.

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And that is coming back to this Assembly of Experts, one of those uniquely Iranian bodies.

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Ayatollah Khamenei's term as Supreme Leader runs until 2032, at which point he will be

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92 years old.

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So it's entirely possible that these clerics being elected to the Assembly now, they will

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be the ones who select Khamenei's successor or Iran's next Supreme Leader.

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And here's Peter Kenyon in Istanbul.

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Thanks so much for being with us.

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Thank you, Scott.

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