What's next after Violation? Introducing a new murder mystery, "Beyond All Repair"

2024-02-15 00:09:39

Imagine you're accused of something horrific. You swear you didn't do it, but someone says they witnessed it: your own brother. Sophia Johnson was newly married with a baby on the way when she became the prime suspect in her mother-in-law's brutal murder. WBUR's Amory Sivertson reexamines a case unsolved, a family torn apart, and the woman who wasn't believed.

4Speaker 4
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Hey everyone, I know I said that last episode was the last episode of Violation and it was,

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but I'm dropping in here one more time to leave you in good hands. WBUR, the station

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that we at the Marshall Project partnered with to bring you Violation, has a new series

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coming out that I think you're going to like, and that will hopefully fill the violation-sized

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hole in your heart. In some ways, it will literally fill the violation-sized hole because

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you will be able to listen to it right here, in this feed. You don't have to go anywhere

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or subscribe to anything else. This new show is a sibling he-said-she-said murder mystery

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called Beyond All Repair. The reporter behind this series, Amri Severson, we go way back,

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and I've been hearing about this story for about as long as she's been working on it.

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So I wanted her to come here and share more about it with you. Hey Amri. Hey Beth. Thanks

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for having me in your feed. You know, Amri, Violation would never have happened without

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you. You were our biggest cheerleader, and I am forever in your debt for that. I am honored

2Speaker 2
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to have Beyond All Repair in my feed. Well, thank you. That means a lot to me, and it

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was a dream come true to watch come together because part of the reason why we're chatting

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now is that the story that became Violation and the story that has now become Beyond All

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Repair, which will be the next thing in this feed, we were like talking to each other about

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these stories before we knew that they would end up becoming podcast series. Yeah, I mean,

4Speaker 4
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I think there's always been a sort of mind meld. You know, you had the audio expertise,

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I had the criminal justice background, and we would kind of just shoot the shit about

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what we thought would be good podcasts, what we thought would be good stories, how we thought

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like the Marshall Project and BUR could work well together, and it's just really cool to

2Speaker 2
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watch how this has evolved. Yeah. So for listeners who are very confused and are like, who the

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heck is this woman? I will just say for your sake, hello, I'm Anne-Marie Sebertson. I make

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podcasts at WBUR, and I typically co-host a show called Endless Thread, and the story

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that is Beyond All Repair actually sprung out of an episode of Endless Thread. I'm not

4Speaker 4
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sure if you knew that, Beth. Did you know that? I didn't know it until I listened to

2Speaker 2
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your first episode today. Okay, so we talked to, for Endless Thread, my co-host Ben Brock-Johnson

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and I talked to a guy named Shane, and we were talking to Shane about his experience

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with homelessness when he was a teenager, shortly before he graduated from high school.

1Speaker 1
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I was angry and pissed and sad. I only had until morning when school started for like

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some normalcy. And Shane had this kind of timeline of trauma in his upbringing and just

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one of the notches along that timeline had to do with something that happened involving

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two of his siblings, and in particular, his sister, who when he was 13 years old, she

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was accused of murder and was charged with murder.

1Speaker 1
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I remember like going into the lunchroom and like, this group of kids is like coming toward

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me. And like, the kid that I don't like is like, so is it true that your sister killed

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someone?

2Speaker 2
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And we didn't go into the details really, when we were talking to Shane to make that

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Endless Thread episode, because it was, again, just one part of his story. But he reached

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back out to me a few years later in 2021 and said, Hey, you remember my sister? She wants

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to tell her story and, you know, be believed and try to change her life.

3Speaker 3
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The only thing I can do because I'm at my bottom is stand up for myself because I have

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zero expectations that anyone else can do it for me.

2Speaker 2
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Before I ever talked to this woman on the record, Shane's sister on the record, I wanted

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to talk to you about it immediately. Do you remember that phone call?

4Speaker 4
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Oh, I remember it so well. I think it was a beautiful, sunny Saturday and I was working

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in my garden. And I had you in my ear and we were talking while I was weeding. And I

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remember thinking, holy shit, this story, it just has so many layers. It's just every

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time you think it's done, you find out there's more to it.

2Speaker 2
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Yeah. And you were catching me up on the Jacob Wideman story because you had already been

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working on that. And it did just feel like one of these moments where I just felt really

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lucky to have someone that I could talk to that that we could talk together about our

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stories and kind of nerd out together.

4Speaker 4
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Totally. Ditto. Right back at you.

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So I described Beyond All Repair as a sibling, he said, she said murder mystery.

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But tell me about the central figure.

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Her name's Sophia.

2Speaker 2
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Yes. So Sophia is Shane's sister.

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And in 2002, when she was 23 years old, she was newly married.

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She was six months pregnant at the time.

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And her mother-in-law is is brutally murdered.

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She's bludgeoned to death with fireplace tongs.

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And Sophia, just a couple of days later, is arrested for the murder.

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And she finds out that it is one of her brothers, not Shane, the youngest that we did the

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episode of Endless Thread about, but another brother named Sean, who has accused her of

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the murder.

1Speaker 1
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The person kind of took, it was like stalking off their face.

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It turned out to be my sister.

2Speaker 2
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And Sophia, you know, has always said that she did not commit this murder, but she is

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arrested. She is tried.

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She gives birth to a son in jail and she hasn't seen him since.

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So here we are, 22 years later.

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She's now in her mid 40s.

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She is currently in hiding and she's been talking to me for about three years and

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telling me her side of the story.

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Her goal is to get justice for her late mother-in-law.

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And really, she wants to meet her son.

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She wants to meet this son that she hasn't seen since the day that he was born.

3Speaker 3
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And I do not want another one of his birthdays to go by without at least having an image

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of me and hearing the truth about what I'm sure he's read and heard about his entire

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life.

4Speaker 4
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Sounded to me like you were careful to say she says she didn't do it, but what do you

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think? Did she do it?

2Speaker 2
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Oh, Beth, Beth, Beth, Beth, Beth, you're going to have to listen to Beyond All Repair to

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find out. What I can say is I know where I land.

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On what happened.

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And Shane, who I mentioned in the beginning from that episode of Endless Thread, he has

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become a part of this, too, and will make an appearance throughout the series because

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Shane is a lawyer now.

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He went from being unhoused to now being a lawyer.

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And now he has gone through the case file, not with me, but kind of adjacent to me.

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And I've gotten to hear and the listener will get to hear his thoughts on the case as

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both Sophia's brother and Shawn's brother, the person who accused Sophia and as a

1Speaker 1
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lawyer. Even if she committed murder, I know that I love my sister, but she needs to

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also be held accountable if she committed murder.

2Speaker 2
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He also comes to a conclusion and lands in a place at the end of the series about what

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actually happened.

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I just loved Violation so much, and I was so happy to see you put that out into the

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world and lucky us to get to learn more of Jacob's story and to have you as our guide

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along the way.

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So congratulations.

4Speaker 4
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Thank you and congratulations to you on Beyond All Repair.

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I'm so excited to hear it.

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I'm so excited for our listeners to hear it.

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And I just want to tell our listeners to stay subscribed to Violation to hear Beyond All

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Repair in just a few weeks.

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Amory, can you believe it's just a few weeks?

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You ready?

2Speaker 2
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Oh, yeah.

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Well, to that point, we got the trailer first.

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That's February 22nd.

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So that'll be the first thing that people get to hear.

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And then we'll drop episodes one and two together on March 7th.

4Speaker 4
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Stay tuned, people.

2Speaker 2
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Thanks, Beth.

4Speaker 4
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My pleasure.

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