2024-02-15 00:09:39
Imagine you're accused of something horrific. You swear you didn't do it, but someone says they witnessed it: your own brother. Sophia Johnson was newly married with a baby on the way when she became the prime suspect in her mother-in-law's brutal murder. WBUR's Amory Sivertson reexamines a case unsolved, a family torn apart, and the woman who wasn't believed.
Hey everyone, I know I said that last episode was the last episode of Violation and it was,
but I'm dropping in here one more time to leave you in good hands. WBUR, the station
that we at the Marshall Project partnered with to bring you Violation, has a new series
coming out that I think you're going to like, and that will hopefully fill the violation-sized
hole in your heart. In some ways, it will literally fill the violation-sized hole because
you will be able to listen to it right here, in this feed. You don't have to go anywhere
or subscribe to anything else. This new show is a sibling he-said-she-said murder mystery
called Beyond All Repair. The reporter behind this series, Amri Severson, we go way back,
and I've been hearing about this story for about as long as she's been working on it.
So I wanted her to come here and share more about it with you. Hey Amri. Hey Beth. Thanks
for having me in your feed. You know, Amri, Violation would never have happened without
you. You were our biggest cheerleader, and I am forever in your debt for that. I am honored
to have Beyond All Repair in my feed. Well, thank you. That means a lot to me, and it
was a dream come true to watch come together because part of the reason why we're chatting
now is that the story that became Violation and the story that has now become Beyond All
Repair, which will be the next thing in this feed, we were like talking to each other about
these stories before we knew that they would end up becoming podcast series. Yeah, I mean,
I think there's always been a sort of mind meld. You know, you had the audio expertise,
I had the criminal justice background, and we would kind of just shoot the shit about
what we thought would be good podcasts, what we thought would be good stories, how we thought
like the Marshall Project and BUR could work well together, and it's just really cool to
watch how this has evolved. Yeah. So for listeners who are very confused and are like, who the
heck is this woman? I will just say for your sake, hello, I'm Anne-Marie Sebertson. I make
podcasts at WBUR, and I typically co-host a show called Endless Thread, and the story
that is Beyond All Repair actually sprung out of an episode of Endless Thread. I'm not
sure if you knew that, Beth. Did you know that? I didn't know it until I listened to
your first episode today. Okay, so we talked to, for Endless Thread, my co-host Ben Brock-Johnson
and I talked to a guy named Shane, and we were talking to Shane about his experience
with homelessness when he was a teenager, shortly before he graduated from high school.
I was angry and pissed and sad. I only had until morning when school started for like
some normalcy. And Shane had this kind of timeline of trauma in his upbringing and just
one of the notches along that timeline had to do with something that happened involving
two of his siblings, and in particular, his sister, who when he was 13 years old, she
was accused of murder and was charged with murder.
I remember like going into the lunchroom and like, this group of kids is like coming toward
me. And like, the kid that I don't like is like, so is it true that your sister killed
someone?
And we didn't go into the details really, when we were talking to Shane to make that
Endless Thread episode, because it was, again, just one part of his story. But he reached
back out to me a few years later in 2021 and said, Hey, you remember my sister? She wants
to tell her story and, you know, be believed and try to change her life.
The only thing I can do because I'm at my bottom is stand up for myself because I have
zero expectations that anyone else can do it for me.
Before I ever talked to this woman on the record, Shane's sister on the record, I wanted
to talk to you about it immediately. Do you remember that phone call?
Oh, I remember it so well. I think it was a beautiful, sunny Saturday and I was working
in my garden. And I had you in my ear and we were talking while I was weeding. And I
remember thinking, holy shit, this story, it just has so many layers. It's just every
time you think it's done, you find out there's more to it.
Yeah. And you were catching me up on the Jacob Wideman story because you had already been
working on that. And it did just feel like one of these moments where I just felt really
lucky to have someone that I could talk to that that we could talk together about our
stories and kind of nerd out together.
Totally. Ditto. Right back at you.
So I described Beyond All Repair as a sibling, he said, she said murder mystery.
But tell me about the central figure.
Her name's Sophia.
Yes. So Sophia is Shane's sister.
And in 2002, when she was 23 years old, she was newly married.
She was six months pregnant at the time.
And her mother-in-law is is brutally murdered.
She's bludgeoned to death with fireplace tongs.
And Sophia, just a couple of days later, is arrested for the murder.
And she finds out that it is one of her brothers, not Shane, the youngest that we did the
episode of Endless Thread about, but another brother named Sean, who has accused her of
the murder.
The person kind of took, it was like stalking off their face.
It turned out to be my sister.
And Sophia, you know, has always said that she did not commit this murder, but she is
arrested. She is tried.
She gives birth to a son in jail and she hasn't seen him since.
So here we are, 22 years later.
She's now in her mid 40s.
She is currently in hiding and she's been talking to me for about three years and
telling me her side of the story.
Her goal is to get justice for her late mother-in-law.
And really, she wants to meet her son.
She wants to meet this son that she hasn't seen since the day that he was born.
And I do not want another one of his birthdays to go by without at least having an image
of me and hearing the truth about what I'm sure he's read and heard about his entire
life.
Sounded to me like you were careful to say she says she didn't do it, but what do you
think? Did she do it?
Oh, Beth, Beth, Beth, Beth, Beth, you're going to have to listen to Beyond All Repair to
find out. What I can say is I know where I land.
On what happened.
And Shane, who I mentioned in the beginning from that episode of Endless Thread, he has
become a part of this, too, and will make an appearance throughout the series because
Shane is a lawyer now.
He went from being unhoused to now being a lawyer.
And now he has gone through the case file, not with me, but kind of adjacent to me.
And I've gotten to hear and the listener will get to hear his thoughts on the case as
both Sophia's brother and Shawn's brother, the person who accused Sophia and as a
lawyer. Even if she committed murder, I know that I love my sister, but she needs to
also be held accountable if she committed murder.
He also comes to a conclusion and lands in a place at the end of the series about what
actually happened.
I just loved Violation so much, and I was so happy to see you put that out into the
world and lucky us to get to learn more of Jacob's story and to have you as our guide
along the way.
So congratulations.
Thank you and congratulations to you on Beyond All Repair.
I'm so excited to hear it.
I'm so excited for our listeners to hear it.
And I just want to tell our listeners to stay subscribed to Violation to hear Beyond All
Repair in just a few weeks.
Amory, can you believe it's just a few weeks?
You ready?
Oh, yeah.
Well, to that point, we got the trailer first.
That's February 22nd.
So that'll be the first thing that people get to hear.
And then we'll drop episodes one and two together on March 7th.
Stay tuned, people.
Thanks, Beth.
My pleasure.
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