2023-07-26 01:05:28
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What is up, Daddy Gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper, we call her daddy.
Daddy Gang I am so excited for today's guest. She's a rapper, a singer and all around amazing performers. You also probably know her from her song players, which I'm obsessed with. I feel like it's the anthem of summer, everyone is singing it.
Everyone obsessed. You just came out with your new album, Congrats, you're thriving, thank you.
Koi lerae welcome to call her daddy, call her daddy.
I'm so happy to be here. Y'all don't understand? This is so fire.
This is so, so exciting, first of all, your outfit, dude.
Thank you.
You showed up.
Thank you, I just put a little oof, oof, you know, just a little mm-mm.
Yeah, we're kind of color coordinated, too, which we didn't intend to do.
No, I was actually going to wear some Dior sneakers, but then I have a huge closet and things tend to always get lost. So I look in the corner, I see these little furry things. I'm like, I've never got to wear them. And then it matches the purple in my pants and then the blue in the denim.
I don't know, I really put it on and it came out really good.
It's a statement, I love it. I also love when someone shows up with crazy shoes. I was looking at the candle, I'm like, hopefully we don't burn on fire.
Everything's going to be fine, we're good, we're good.
Okay.
So your new album? We have to get into it because it's so fucking good and I'm so excited for you. How are you feeling about everything coming out?
I feel like, finally, you know, I work so hard, I feel like I work so hard and I always get underestimated a lot. And it feels good to finally have a body of work to my full potential and just out there. Normally, I'm always worried about content and just rollouts and stuff. But the music is so good that I'm like, I'm going to let the music live right here, yeah.
That must be such a nice feeling, yeah, like finally working to be like, I actually don't have to oversell, over promote, I don't have to convince people you play that shit and it's great.
Yeah, because that will drain you. At one point in my life, I've been signed for four years and it drained me. Always worrying about a hit or worry about if the next person is going to like this or like that. Now I'm so like, Can I curse?
Yeah, yeah, I'm like, So fuck you, it's koi's world all the way.
I love it. How would you describe the vibe of this album?
Koi me Koi is my first name, Larray is my middle name, so my artist name is my birth, and I don't know. I feel like all the legends with the self-titled albums. It's like, serious, and I'm so versatile that I just wanted to show every single side of me. Whether from singing, rapping. We got Black Rose with some drums on there and Man's World, very, very r&b and just pain and soulful, so yeah.
And then spend it with Saucy. I love fashion Week, I love fashion, I feel like I'm a fashion girl, so I had to have my Fashion Girl song in there. So yeah.
No, it's dope. There's so many different vibes in the album, which I think is for me personally, that's what I always want. I always want to feel like I'm going on a journey. Nothing all sounds the same.
It's really incredible. I'm interested to know also from your perspective, because you can brag a little bit here. What do you think it is about your artistic presence that has everyone so obsessed and in love with you?
I feel like since I started, when I first came out with G-a-n or Huddy, I've always been true to myself. I was twisting my own braids, my parts weren't even straight. When I first started, my braids were just like, take it out, braid it, and they were this small.
I didn't care, I would just go out and give them energy. I feel like something that you really don't see, especially around the era, when it was all about how you really look. I feel like, especially in a culture when it comes to the female and black woman in hip hop. It was a whole thing of how you were supposed to look. So when I came out and I just totally went against the fucking rules, I guess, or whatever you want to call it.
I was like, Nah, I don't care.
I'm coming out 100 me. My hair is not long, I don't wear makeup, I don't have the sexiest clothes. I was very, very tomboyish.
Still, I'm 26 now, so I'm just growing into a woman in my I'm a sex symbol. Of course, I've always been, but clothes are just a little tighter and a little less clothes.
But yeah, I always had this confidence of just a heart of a lion, I'm a Taurus as well, so that plays a big, big part. Love, love.
You've said in the past that you want to write songs about men the way that they write songs about women, which I'm like. Hallelujah, thank you so much koi. We need that. How did you decide to even take that approach?
So I'm from Jersey, I was born in Boston, so all my family, all my immediate family, all my family's in Boston. I was born in Roxbury, but me and my brothers and my mom, we moved to Jersey, so I have my little family in Jersey. But growing up, being so close to the East Coast, there was a boogie, and a boogie is so fire. And I remember when he came out first came out and he was just so real and raw, and the stuff that he would talk about was crazy.
He would talk about the girls he would really be like, talk about his relationships, what he was going through and the way that it's this one song he'd be like....
He says it a hundred times, he'd be like, I don't trust bitches, I don't trust bitches, don't trust bitches, I don't love bitches.
Don't trust bitches. He said it 20 times on the song. I'm like, Oh shit, and I'm singing it.
I'm like, I don't trust bitches.
I don't.
And it sounds so good.
I'm like, Nah, I feel this. I know the guys are feeling this right now. I need the girls to feel this just as much as the guys feel this.
It's so true, even when you think about fuck bitches get money, it's all this shit of we get fucked and they just thrive.
And they just thrive.
They get money.
And we're like, Oh, we're the bitches over here. So it is really refreshing. Even just like players, it's just like, Yes, you're like spinning the gender roles on its head a little bit and being like, No, we're also players too, which I love.
It's crazy because now if the guys will be like, yeah, because girls is players too right, and I'll be like....
It's just a song.
Hearing a man say it, you're like, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's not for you to sing, but sure.
Okay, so you kind of mentioned your family and I thought, that's so interesting. You grew up with five brothers. Yes, you're the only girl.
Four brothers, my fifth one is Baby Zino. He's like, probably seven now. I think so, yeah.
Okay, okay, so four basically around you growing up and you are the only girl. How did that affect you growing up?
I was always a tomboy.
I always got my hands dirty. I was never into girly things at all. I remember my brothers used to play drown me. That's how I learned how to swim. They used to throw me in the pool and I could not swim.
This is like torture. I could not swim for a run, didn't even take my first swimming class. So they would literally throw me in and save me type shit or whatever. They'll feel like life in guard, so I'll never forget.
Life was different growing up. We was knocking beehives off and I was the only one getting stung. It was one of those things.
I love how you also start that by being like, so they would play this game where they drown me and I'm like, That's not a game, koi, that's not a game. They get to drown you and be the saviors, and you're just like the object, and I'm in the shit drowning.
My mom cursed them out, but it made me stronger. Honestly, now I'm probably one of the best swimmers ever. There you go, you can do back flips, I can go crazy.
I can race, I'm ready to race anybody I'm going.
We're going to the Olympics. okay, album's done, now, we're training for the Olympics. I'm out of here. It's so interesting because you kind of can get that vibe.
I grew up I only have one older brother, but I lived on this little cul-de-sac. And it was all boys all the time playing games, and I was one of the only girls. And it does kind of affect you in a way. I hated pink, I refuse.
Look at this studio now. Oh my god fuck.
But it's actually still very sexy.
It's subtle.
It's not too like.
Even though I'd love to get a little girly now, though.
That's what I think. It almost took me a little bit to love the girly side of myself because you don't want to be girly around the boys.
No at all, especially when you're cute.
Absolutely, when you're cute as fuck.
Oh, my God, and I always hung around the boys, so me I was like a little tomboy for real. I thought I was one of the guys because I did not want them to look at me in a certain way. I really didn't.
But also, too, the guys respected me and I was such one of the guys that they would be like, right, right?
I remember when I first started growing boobs, whenever I would play with the guys, I didn't want to look like I had boobs. Because I'm still one of you. And then all of a sudden that shit just popped and it was over.
I was hoodies and slips.
Exactly, I'm interested to know because I have an older brother. Did you ever have a similar issue? Where did your brothers ever try to hook up with your friends? or the other way around? Did your friends ever try to hook up with your brothers?
It was probably me trying to hook up with their friends. My brothers are older than me, so I'll see the boys come around and be like, Damn, but my brothers wasn't going for that.
Did they find out? Did you ever hook up with them? I would tell them.
I'll be like, me and my family are crazy. I'll be like, Woo, your friend Johnny Bravo looks good boy. He'll be like, Yeah, uh-huh.
Now I gotta keep him away now, you won't see Johnny come over ever again.
I actually can relate to that. I did try to hook up with my brother's friends and I remember trying to sneak out to make out with one. Because my brother made out with one of my friends. And I was like, Fuck you, I will ruin your life, I'll hook up with your best fucking friend were you guys close?
We were so close, but when it came to that age, where we started to hook up with each other's friends, that's where it got. Like, he's the older brother and I'm the younger sister, and I couldn't have fun, but he could have fun. I'm like, Did you just fuck one of my friends?
Your brother fucks your friends. Is he your friend's foe or your brother's foe?
That's a great question. I think it's the level of closeness to the friend.
I think my friend should.
Well, I could tell if my friend's like my brother's immediately, so I would obviously tell them straight up, like, No bitch, we not doing that.
Uh-uh, let me catch you looking at my brother one more time. Let me find out. I'll be like, and I'm the only girl. I probably was a little jealous or something.
I'm like, Nah.
And because it's like, I don't want the drama because then you two are going to not like each other. At one point. And you come over for family dinner, so you can't sit at the table with my brother anymore because you fucked him.
Yes, okay.
So keep it PG.
Now you're in your feelings, yeah.
I think I'd be more mad at my brother in the initial, but then my friend, I'd be like, Well, you just fucked it up. Now we have to have playdates at your house, now we're going to your house, okay, God.
Because you have older brothers. I'm also interested to know like, what's your mentality like, are you confrontational? or do you not like to be confrontational? Like, what's your vibe with drama?
I remember like my brothers were very aggressive and we would play like cops and robbers and all kinds of stuff and I would. I'm so athletic, I wasn't good at basketball, I was good at more at football, but I was very athletic. And I realized when they would get angry and fight, like, or when I would get angry and fight, I could not win.
They were so much stronger than me like, and we were all like, they didn't care if we're mad, we're mad. And yeah, I realized I can't beat no boy, I cannot be no boy.
So I kind of just I respected them, yeah, I feel like I respected them. And we kind of were all growing up in a. It was a different environment for all of us, so I feel like it was important for us.
To kind of stay together. What are you like with women? like, if you're getting in a fight with a woman, what's your vibe?
So I always say, like I, if I grew up with sisters, it probably would have been chaos because I was ready to go against my brothers. Even though I knew I couldn't beat them, I was still ready to go in their face just as much as me. I just wouldn't go so far like I probably would have made the worst move.
Yeah.
Exactly, unless I'm drowning, so I. But I always told myself, if I had sisters, it'd probably be chaotic. I don't know how people deal with a house full of girls, it's crazy.
It is so crazy because like it is annoying to watch, like how guys can just settle things like even watching reality TV. Recently, I'm watching the guys on Love Island be like, It's okay, bro, like, Yeah, you fucked her behind my back, but like, we can recover, girls, it's like.
It's fine.
And then you're like concocting a whole plan of how to kill each other, and like, scream, it's just a different vibe.
It is it is. I feel like guys too, like where they? It's like, there's this thing where like, let's just fight and then dump up after, and then now it's like, What up, bro?
Like, no grudges.
Yeah, I don't know, I guess it's a.
It's just a different way that we deal with, like how we go about things. It's probably better on our end because emotionally we're getting it out and we're actually getting to, like, we're resolving things. Where men it's like, it's okay, and then they're crying in the corner, and then they're crying later.
Yeah, okay.
Talking about dating, I'm interested to know, Have you ever had a girlfriend try to steal a guy that you were either dating or you were into?
No, because I never like my circle was okay, I probably when I was like 16.
Okay, when I was 16, but as now, my circle is very small and I have mostly guys and all my friends are also gay as well. So, like, you know, I didn't really, ever have that problem, yeah.
No.
I remember I was trying when I was 16, when I was writing that. I was like, trying to think, if that ever happened to me, and I was like, No. And then I remember in college, I had my best best friend. In college, I was obsessed with this guy.
Freshman sophomore year obsessed. And I would talk about him all the time, and she would always put him down like, No, he's ugly, like he's not even that cute.
Like, why do you like him? why do you like him? Like always shitting on me, like verbally just shitting on me. To the point where I was like, Okay, I guess I'll move on after two years. And then I found out she fucked him.
Oh, that's so corny.
Oh.
I would've had to beat her up, like.
It kind of hurt my feelings where I was like, was it strategic that you wanted me to not like him so you could fuck him? Or, by you telling me how awful he was, did you slowly be like, he's actually not that awful, and then you went and fucked him?
I was always that friend to give them the benefit, to give everyone a benefit of the doubt. Yeah, I'm like, I see something, and also too, I was always that friend, that or that girl I'm attracted to, like what I'm attracted to.
Like, I really like what I like, like, I don't have a certain type. Like, I might really catch you off guard and be like, Damn, he's, you're like, and yeah, I'm like, I see that. So if a girl's like, Nah, he's ugly, or he's this, or he's that, I'd be like, You don't see what I see, then whatever girl, cause I don't care.
Like?
You don't gotta worry about that, right? I'll just go do it, you're good.
Yeah, but that's spiteful.
Do you believe that friends with benefits can work?
No, I feel like it's either, it's either we're gonna be friends or we're gonna be fucking.
I know.
And I don't think we could be fucking and being friends at the same time. It's kind of hard. As a as like me I'm, I get emotionally attached, like, you know, and then the dick might be so good, then what?
Like, I don't want anyone else to have this right, right?
And then after you're fucking, then you can't be friends.
And then we can't be friends. No, I want, I want to marry you, I'm a I'm a relationship, I want a relationship. You know anybody that I am single and I'm dating, but you know someone? If I feel like this is like the one, then we should lock in on that level and just kind of focus on us.
Yep, um, yeah, cause I'm also like, I could please myself very, very well.
I'm not even gonna lie.
You know, I could, I could go a couple, I could go a couple weeks, a couple months without some dick, like, I could please myself very, very well, so.
I love that, yeah, we need more of that energy for women.
Yeah, for sure.
Like, too many women are like, Well, I haven't had dick in a week. Like, I guess I got to, like, put up with the asshole. I'm like, girl, do you have your vibrator in your fingers?
Something anything like you could, just I. I love pleasing myself. I'm not going to lie, I feel like it's something I started. I started doing a lot of masturbation, masturbating recently.
Oh, um, within this year, I would say, because it's just like, I'm so busy and I get turned off so fast. But I do like sex too, though, like, I'm a big freak. So we.
So did you not masturbate before this year? You're just saying you're doing it more. I was massive.
I've masturbated before, but I feel like I'm not. I'm more like into myself this year, I try doing more this year.
Like, talk to me about that.
Yeah, cause, you know, like I started going to the sex store, I never really went into the sex store. I feel like I'm getting older too, so this is me tapping into just a different life.
I don't know, but I go to the sex store, I'm checking out different vibrators. Before, I would just kind of be like, all right, I'm going to just get the one that normally anybody would get. But this time, I'm like, seeing which one you're perusing the aisles.
You're like, I'm checking shit out.
Like?
Let me see if this is going to turn, like how this turns and how this is connected this way.
And he said, Yeah.
And you know, that's when I realized, like, I found my dildo that I really loved, like, I, you know.
Describe it to me. Is it just a dildo or is it like the rabbit thing? Where also is the claw coming out? It's.
It has, like, a, it's like this, Yeah, yeah, yeah, it has a claw.
So it's like, it's like, shaped like this.
So it's going in and then it's hitting your clip.
And it's hitting my. yeah, it's hitting my, and if you like, turn it this way. It's hitting my butt too. Yeah, my, my, my ass, so, and I like my ass, like.
I like my ass, so I was, I was, I was use it and the vibration for some reason, it just worked right away. So different that I'm like, Oh shit, because I've used vibrators before. And it was like, I don't know. I was like, I'd rather the real thing.
You ever had that? You're like, you use vibrators, whatever toys, and you're like, I'd rather the real thing.
Well, I feel like that, too, because if you don't find the right one, I've had that before. Where I'm just like, you're almost trying to get the vibrator up to your speed of. Like, I want you to do this with me and I want more. And then that just means you need a different toy. And I remember the first time I found this one that was a rabbit. And I was just like, I don't think I ever need another dick in my life. Sorry to my fiance, but he's like, I have to go away for a month filming a movie, I'm like, so long.
See you later, like Bob, it's like it really is. It's a different experience, but I get it's intimidating to some women at first, because you're right. I used to go into the sex store and was literally like, head down, didn't want anyone to see me. It's like, bitch, it's a sex store, everyone's having sex, let's enjoy.
And we're women, we should be able to please ourself. I feel like also, too. It teaches you more about your body and I don't know, probably gives you more confidence as well. I love it, I'm not against it. I love sex as well. But I think that if you're one of those girls who just wants to tread lightly, stay focused and not be all in the mix, just grab you. You know what I'm saying?
Get you one of them ones and then, you know, that way, you got options with the dildo and everything.
Stack your nightstand with lube, a couple different vibrators. Even when you're like, mastermating and you can switch it up and you take like, the dildo out. Then you go to like, the clip simulator, like, you're all over the place, you're just like, it's basically like you're switching positions.
I don't use lube, though, you don't. I never use lube. No, I feel like-.
I do sometimes depending on like the time of the month. Like, sometimes I almost feel like right after my period. I'm like a little more dry. So I'm like, ooh, like, I want it and I need like a little baby dot, and then I'm like, whoa, here we go. But it depends the time of the month.
I'm I, I, I'm okay, so I can't have sex if I'm dry, so if if, if I'm not getting wet, then it's a problem. And then and then I don't want to do it because then that's creating friction and shit, and I'm good off that, right?
How would you turn a guy down if you're about to have sex and you can't get wet?
I would just be like, it's not going in, like, what are we doing here? Like it's. I like, this should be slipping and sliding. Like I wouldn't even want him to play with me because it's wet like a nigga. Fillin out names. He's like, Oh, this shit is dry as hell.
Like, Yeah, duh, you're the now I'm going to be like, because of you, like, No, so I you gotta get me wet. I'm a big foreplay person and then also, too, Spit does the job.
It does very, very well, it does, it does do the job. We can just say it right there.
Spit does the job, a lot of things can play as Lube, but like Spit, specifically.
That's fine, it's perfect, perfect.
So you're single, you said.
Yeah, I'm single.
How long have you been single?
For like, almost seven months now, maybe six, seven months.
How's it going?
It's good, I. I, um, I tried some celibacy for a couple months. I was like celibate for like four months and think, Yeah, you know, but it's good. I feel like I'm dating I. I met this guy, he's so cute and he's so sweet, but you know, they're all cute and sweet in the beginning.
In the beginning, and then it's dementors.
Yeah.
How did you meet him?
Um at a party.
So fun.
Yeah, it was very organic.
That's so nice, cause I bet it's like, kind of weird for you now. Where you're like, you have to meet people either like organically, like you're not going on the apps and this thing. So it's like through mutuals.
Or social media, like people nowadays, everything is like through the DMS and stuff. But now we met in person and it was like, really cute.
You said, like, you have a type, you don't have a type. what is your type?
I just like a man like I'm. I also started realizing I like older men. Um, yeah, I like, I like I'm a.
I like, I'm a little aggressive, I would say, you know, I'm a little alpha. I take care of my family, I work my ass off, um, pay my own bills, got my own money. Like, very, very successful for myself. So I need a man to come in and just like, you know, over, not overpower, but empower me, like, lift me up. And kind of, I'm willing to learn. Um, I'm always the one teaching, so I'm just really into somebody that has a really strong, powerful mindset.
That shit turns me on so well, I'm not, and then I like hygiene, I'm big on hygiene, you gotta be clean.
You gotta smell good.
So, be old and have hygiene.
When you say old, are they about to croak? or what are we doing? they're about to die? Okay, so the oldest I'll probably go, I'm 26, I'll probably do like 37 38, yeah, 37 38..
That's perfect, that's like, perfect for me.
That is perfect. That's 10 years older.
Yeah, I think so.
Like, 10, yeah, that's what my partner is right now. 10 nice. But I also feel like men are like a little slow to mature. So like, we have to like equate for that little age gap issue of like you weren't mature, we're mature, but I I love that for you.
Also, I agree with that. I feel like it's really hot when you're constantly being the boss of your life and you're having to run shit every day. You want a guy that can, like, be fucking dominant in certain ways, and you're not also being like, okay, you sit down, like, Oh, like, take your fucking dick out. And you were telling them what to do, just like you were two minutes ago to your entire team.
Like, I don't want to be the one to like.
It's all right girl views.
You know what I mean, and like, if the if a nipple pops, if a nipple pops or a little, everyone's happy, you know what I mean.
I hate these things looking.
They look great, they look great, no nipples out.
But wait, what was the question?
So, like, I just was commenting on, I agree with you of like, the vibe of having someone that's like more able to be dominant. Because you're such a boss that it's like, I need someone that can, like, actually equal me, and you're not like treating them like a little boy. No, here we go.
And not treat me like shit, but also just empower me and teach me and guide me. And I don't know. I like fun, too, like, I'm a nature girl, like I'm trying to go outside and get my hands dirty, like, Yeah, take me.
And I love to eat, so I can't stand going on a date and like, having to go to Ruth, Chris or something. Because all they eat is some damn mashed potatoes and steak. And then what kills me is when they say they don't like sushi. It's not a deal breaker for me, but it's just being like, damn, how don't you like sushi? Like, how are we going to go to these cute sushi restaurants if you're not going to eat?
You're just ordering the Bang bang shrimp and the teriyaki chicken.
The California Roll.
Yeah, the California roll.
Like, No, my brother just doesn't like sushi, and I looked at him. I said, Look at me, right now, you're single, you're going to be single for the rest of your fucking life, buddy.
If you can't figure out how to swallow a goddamn spicy tuna roll, okay.
Or an oyster like something.
So he's now been going out to eat with me and I'm just force feeding him to be like, eat it and just pretend you like it. And so now he's like, taking girls out to sushi dates and like, they're so happy. When we go, I'm like, See, just pretend that you like it, it's an important thing.
Shrimp tempura is a good one, I guess that's not as like cooked.
It's a little crunchy.
But yeah, but still no. I need you to be into food, like, I want to go fishing, I want to travel, I want to go in the wilderness. And I want you to be able to build and fix something around the house. I cannot stand someone who's just sitting around and just like, You know what I'm saying.
Working off their phone and shit like that, like, Nah, like, I need to see something, can you put a TV up or something?
Like, just start building something out of nowhere.
Yeah, build something, or be the one to call the person, or just be the one to notice it. I'm just I'm big on the mind. It would turn me on if a man comes to my house like, I just moved and my paintings are on the floor.
So if I'm talking to someone and he's like, yeah, like, yo, we got to get these paintings up, you know? and I'm like.
He's like, I'm what?
I'm what this is perfect, oh my god.
You want to hang my paintings? I'm what he's like. No, we'll, we'll, we'll have a task. Grab it.
Yeah, but you notice, yeah, I get what you're saying, like, be proactive in, like, doing shit.
Yeah.
Don't be a stagnant motherfucker that you're like, hello, get off Tik Tok.
Yeah, yeah.
Although we love Tik Tok, but, like, still, maybe not for a guy to be scrolling all day. Yeah? Tell me about your first ever relationship.
My first relationship was probably like fourth grade. It was this boy named Rashard, I'll never forget. he was so cute. I had just moved to Jersey and, um well, to Hackensack.
And I was like, this new girl on the block. And um, his mom and his, my mom and my his mom, like, met and I would go to his house. Like, my mom was cool as fuck, like, you know, but she trusted me as well, yeah.
We were, we were, but it was like playdates.
I don't know, um, my real my next. I guess I wasn't in too many relationships growing up, but yeah, relationships are just this is my advice for relationships. Um, I think that you should go with your gut. You know? I'm one of those people that feel like, yeah, you got to take time to build, but also to like. If you really feel like this is it. Go for it right away, don't waste no time, it's never too early for nothing.
You know, and um, also too. As a human being, like, it's okay to be physically attracted to someone like, you know, have sex, have fun, you know, be safe, have safe sex. Obviously, and don't just be out there going crazy. But, you know, normalize just being a human being in and don't go looking for love, cause you won't find it. That's, that's a fact.
Like, you will not find love if you're looking for it, if you're just focused, working and doing what you got to do. Somebody will pop up and be like, and that's what I feel like with this movie, you just like, popped up.
How long has it been?
Only like a fucking week.
That's actually like, the most exciting time is when you're like at that week mark and you're like, they can do no wrong. They're so cute, they're so perfect, yeah.
And then, like, if we catch up in a month, you're like, Oh, that guy, he's fucking gone.
And then, yeah, yeah, exactly. I'm like, Uh, but hopefully I don't know. I really liked this one.
How would you describe your approach to dating, like, are you straightforward? do you play a little bit of games? are you shy?
Like, I'm not shy at all, I'm very straightforward. I'll get to the point I'm like, What's up, you got a girlfriend?
Hey, hi baby, what's going on? you got a girlfriend?
Okay, like that, has that always worked for you?
Um, probably not.
Yeah.
I'm a busy person.
Yeah.
So I really admire like, I'm precious about time.
Do you usually only talk to one guy, or do you usually have, like, a couple people in a rotation?
I wouldn't be like, fucking multiple guys at one time, that's something I can't do, but I would talk to guys. Cause it's like, you got to keep your options open, you got to keep your options open. One thing about these guys, they keep their options open, but like, you don't want to be fucking all your options.
That's something you don't want to do, you know? And it feels good when someone's acting up and you're like, all right, like, you really trying to play me right now? Like, cause this one over here is probably willing to do it all for me, and you're over here playing, like, okay?
Like, you're trying to take me to Ruth's, Chris.
Yeah.
And he's taking me to Matsuhisa, So what the fuck bitch, we're going to sushi and you're taking me for a steak and mashed potatoes?
I don't think so.
I don't think so.
That's funny because I think back to when I was, like, in the dating game, very heavy and I used to talk to so many guys. And would have like a rotation or a roster, or whatever you want to call it. But I would get so stressed because I would have, like, in the beginning days, like a couple really good banger stories that I would always tell. That was like, this makes them, like, Think you're funny and this one makes them fall in love.
But then I would forget, who did I tell that story to? So I started a notes app. I'm not kidding you koi, I started the Notes app. And I'd be, like, I already told, like, the college blah, blah, blah story to this one.
And I would have a notes app of which ones I sold, which stories do, because then you get your shit fucked up. It's like a full time job.
No, you want to know what I learned on TikTok? This girl, she was like, Yo, she puts all her like guys that play like play. She'll delete, like the conversation to text that and put their name as a coffin. So I got all my guys in a coffin, so when someone texts me, I don't know who the fuck it is.
So I don't even respond, because it's like, you're dead to me.
Right, you're out, yeah.
And it was like the perfect trick TikTok be lit sometimes.
What gives you the ick?
Yeah, hygiene, for sure. Like you got to smell good. Number one, number two, I don't like the ankles out.
Like, I really don't like, I hate when the ankles be out and the pants cut off, like right here, like, I'm just I don't appreciate that.
You know, I feel like everybody should be able to get their pants tailored, like, when things don't fit me. I add a couple things to the bottom, or, you know, cut a couple layers off on the top or whatever.
You know what I mean?
But like, I feel like they should do the same thing. They need to put a little bit more effort into making sure that their clothes fit.
I think also objectively, like, men's ankles are not as cute as women's ankles.
But they wear the ankle socks, so it's like, what the fuck are we doing? Oh my god, I don't like that at all.
They have like sneakers and ankle socks, and then their jeans stop, like right above.
Yeah, I don't like that.
And I can see the little like hair and then they're like the ankle.
I don't like that, yeah.
You're just like, get it together.
Yeah, I don't like that. Put on a boot.
Like, I don't want to see, I'll take a boot any day, I'll take a boot over an ankle. Okay, that's good to know.
What is the most cringe thing a guy has said or done to get your attention?
They do a lot of cringy things, like just being in the like. I don't like when you come up and whisper in my ear, all hot and wet. Like, like, I've been in clubs multiple times and it's like, even if we talk, I don't mind you coming and talking to me, but like the whole like.
Yo, what's up? I was trying to.
I'd be like.
It's moist, it's moist, I'd be like.
Oh my God, I don't like that, like, I'm getting goosebumps just thinking about it, Oh my God.
You're like, you can just back it up, like, let's just talk.
Like, we can literally, because I can give great eye contact, we can literally just stay right here and just talk to me. You can even come a little.
But the ear, like when it's wet.
Right, what's your go-to move to get a guy's attention?
I don't really have to get a guy's attention, yeah, at all, like, I don't think I ever think about getting a guy's attention, I just get it.
I love that.
I'm really that girl, like, I have to tell myself that every day. Like I say that being humble, all the girls should feel like that. Always tell yourself that you're that girl.
But, you know, I don't have to get that, yeah.
Can you give even more advice on that? Because I feel like everyone watching this, most girls are going to be like, Koi. I fucking wish I woke up and was like, I'm that bitch, I am the icon, yes.
No one's going to deny me, like, how do you get yourself when you're even in party settings, when there's so many beautiful people around? How do you be? Like? I don't give a fuck, I'm going to get what I want, I feel good.
Okay, so I feel like ladies, here's some tips. I'm going to give you guys some real tips, right? So I feel like people will be a little insecure about how they look like. Some girls be like, Oh, you know, I've had friends talk about their cheeks and have the most beautiful cheeks in the world. Their nose, their forehead, their chin, their fucking, you know, all of us.
Even I do it myself like, I'll talk about, you know, my boobs. I'm like, certain shit. I'm like, damn, I need some bigger titties to fit this shirt or whatever. So feel on yourself, you know?
Like, really feel on yourself, get in the mirror, practice your sex appeal, like, I don't practice my sex appeal, but I feel like it's a thing where if you don't feel like you naturally have it, find ways to find it. Because once you body that sex appeal and you feel like you have that and that confidence, girl guys will fuck a tree, okay?
They will fuck a donut, anything with a hole in it. So it would be amazing to have a beautiful woman just who embraces herself, loves everything about herself and just has this confidence. And is able to just capture you in a way where you're like, oh, like, there's something about her that I just can't stop thinking about. So, yeah, it's really like, who gives a fuck what people say and really feel yourself?
No, I love that advice too, because I feel like it doesn't matter if you don't have what, like other women, you compare yourself to having. You're so unique and if you also walk into the room with that energy and you're so confident, it actually does people look at you like, what the fuck does she know that? I don't know, because she's looking like she's having the best time, yes.
And like, why not? Why don't we just enjoy ourselves and have a good time and have the best sex and enjoy our sexuality? Rather than feeling like, Oh, I wish I could be like that girl, be that girl.
Just be it, just be it.
Just channel it.
It's so easy once you master it, it's like something that no one can ever take it.
Yeah.
No.
Have you ever been cheated on?
Yeah, I have. I feel like cheating comes in so many ways and it's not fun, but it's also something that really teaches you a lesson. Because I realized, like me and my father didn't have the best relationship growing up. You feel me. So I would say I'm like one of those girls that have daddy issues or had daddy issues.
Had daddy issues?
So, you know, dealing with different people and learning as I get older is me really just figuring out what I want, you know what I mean? And at the time when you get cheated on, it's like, Okay, this just isn't it? Clearly, so it's time to just move on and go on. Because if he's not like making you that person like that priority, and he's worried about fucking other hoes and being a dog, then girl, you know how many men are out there that will treat you?
And it's not even how many men there's. That man that you're going to fall in love with. You will probably meet another guy that will cheat on you, another guy might do you dirty, but at the same time, every single guy will get better. Because you know you learned from your last relationship.
Because you're picking better.
Yeah, and I also feel like it's a positive way to look at it. You know, I prepared you for your next bitch, basically, so if you, you know, your next bitch should thank me. Because if you go in that next relationship, or you go into that next situation, whatever you done, learned a lot, you know, from even just cleaning your damn ass and shit.
So I'll be like, you're welcome. God put me in this earth to do go ahead and just teach, teach and be the best I could be. Just be a great, you know, change the world and make the world a better place.
In your relationships, you mentioned your relationship with your dad. how did that manifest? Like, did you start to see themes of like, what you were trying to basically like? Figure out within your relationship with your dad and playing them out in romantic relationships?
I would just try to find like, I wouldn't know what was good or not. You know, I knew like my dad always smelled good. He was a hustler, he got money, he was clean.
He was fly, so I knew that's what I kind of was into, and my brother also was on that type of time, too.
But I didn't really know, like, I guess, the true meaning of love, like how to be loved for real. You know, my mom and my dad weren't really that intimate growing up. I never really seen a lot of affection with them. It was more like a lot of arguments, more than a more of affection.
So that how to be loved is a thing, that's why I'm saying dating an older man. It makes sense because I need to be taught by someone who is willing to teach, but also not manipulative. You know what I mean, because it's not like I'm a dumbass.
I have a very lot of common sense, but also, you know, it's a lot that I'm still learning about men.
No, I think that makes sense, like when you meet an older guy again, aside from them being a scumbag, if they're like, just going after younger, younger women, it's more just like you want to be with someone that actually has been in love, knows how to move in a relationship, knows how to treat someone right, knows what they want. That is not going to happen a lot of times with younger men because they're going to be at the same stage of. You just trying to figure out and you're kind of looking for someone with guidance of knowing, like, No, no, no, actually, koi, I don't fucking do that.
Like, we're not going to have a petty argument, we're going to settle it now. Because they're like, mature, and they know what the fuck that they want. It makes it easier for you to actually enjoy a relationship and then be your best self. Because you're like, Oh, this person actually wants to make this work, yeah, rather than like, just doing toxic young bullshit.
Exactly.
Like, how are we doing that?
How are we going to make this? Like, exactly, I rather someone who's really serious, yeah, with experience.
Serious, with experience.
Oh, I like that.
Yeah.
Was there when you got cheated on? was there any like crazy, like, How did you find out?
I think I went through a phone, I think at the time, yup.
It's always now the technology.
I think I went through a little phone, I did, but I don't do that anymore.
Yeah, I went through a phone, but my gut was telling me, like, and I knew it, and I, and it was, it was, that's what it was, but.
What did you do when you found it?
I was pissed.
I was ready to.
Hmm.
She goes silent for the first time.
You were? I get angry like, you can't. I don't like to get mad, because like, if I get mad, like.
I don't want to be mad, especially over some shit like that. Like, I'll be putting too much of my all my time, my money, my just everything into my love, my affection.
To get cheated on, it's just corny to me, like it's so corny to me, so it makes me want to fight. But I would never put no hands on a man. But and I'm not at Mrs. Get back.
You just really a dub like, I'm a curse, you the fuck out, and then it's like, Bye, you'll never hear from me again.
I don't care what you do. You could send a million trillion gifts. You could try to you pop up at my house, you gonna make it worse, like, don't come to my house.
Don't bring me no flowers, don't be outside my house, like, no cause, then it's giving stalker like.
You're a dub golem, you made your bed lay in it. I'm quick to cut a nigga off quick.
That's something I always struggle with when women write in and they're like, I don't know what to do. Like, I found out my boyfriend's been cheating on me. I always want to say like, I get it, some people stay and they can, I could never stay personally cause.
I just feel like it's actually not about the act of, like, cheating. It's about the fact that you don't respect me. And also that you can clearly lie to my face and be living a double life. Um, but I feel like everyone's got to figure out how they handle it. But for the most part, if you have a gut feeling, yeah, he's probably gonna do it again. If you take him back, they're going to show up with roses.
They're going to feel like a piece of shit, it's also for their ego. They can then get you back and feel good, and then they're just going to go about it again. Cause you just rewarded them for coming, getting back with them.
Yeah, I feel like once he cheats, it's like, at that point, listen, you, I'm not taking back a cheater. Cause you already looking for something else, you know what I'm saying, you already looking for something else.
You already, if you've been in something else, I don't know what it is, so at that point you have your mind made up, you know, like you're not sure. I don't want to be around nobody that's not sure, and a second option to nobody, you know?
Okay, we're going to play a game.
Okay.
Block or not, I'm going to give you a little scenario and you're going to tell me if it makes you want to block them or keep talking to them. Okay, a guy surprising you at the studio?
Are we dating already?
No.
Block like, What are you doing?
Like, get the fuck out of here.
I'm like, Yeah, yeah, in the middle of recording rapidly, he come in block.
Hey, huh, fuck, you get in now. I want to smoke with the front desk and my security.
Ugly in pics, but hot in real life.
I'm not going to lie, boys, don't be photogenic, so I won't block.
Yeah, we'll keep them around, we'll keep them around. Doesn't give you his phone password once you're dating?
I'll keep him around, okay, I don't ask, okay.
Has a girl best friend always together block.
Block.
I remember this boy talking about, he had a female assistant and shit, they all like, I don't know, block, I don't do that.
I don't say that.
It's anyone listening.
Call your mama.
No, straight up, have your mom be your best friend. Okay, I don't give a fuck when guys have their best friend, their girl best friend. Nope.
Me or her?
Call your mama, call your mama.
Okay, calls his exes all of them crazy.
Bitches is probably crazy, we crazy.
I'm not.
I'm keeping him, that's probably true. He probably got some crazy shit. I think it's probably insane, got these girls going crazy.
That's a fact.
That's true, but that probably means he's a little crazy, too.
That definitely means he's crazy.
Everyone involved is crazy.
Everybody involved is a bit of craziness.
He's a mama's boy.
Okay, so mama's boys be a little tough. let's talk about it. I don't want to block them, but mama's boys are a little tough. I do like an independent man.
So I love a relationship between a man and his mom. But I like the fact that financially and physically, they can make decisions on their own. You know what I mean, that's what I mean, I just hope....
Yeah, and I agree, I think there's a difference between. There's nothing more attractive when you see a guy who is so respectful of his mom, has a great relationship. But there's fucking boundaries, so it depends.
It depends the level of how intense. Is he a mama's boy, is he a respectful mama's boy, or is he fully still sucking off the tit?
Yeah, I don't want nobody sucking off the tit.
Unless it's yours, unless it's mine.
Not open to eating you out in the bedroom.
Okay, that is a block. I don't like that. We cannot be in a relationship. I dated this guy.
I was in a relationship with this guy, he was Jamaican, and it was like, you know, he was not. That was just not the thing and we was dating for a couple months, like a month or whatever.
And I kind of just, you know.
But then I said, Look here, sir, let me tell you something.
Listen up.
Listen up, this is what you're going to do.
Or this is what the fuck it is. Okay, I don't give a fuck where you came from, boy.
You going to eat this motherfucking pussy?
And best believe I was dutching wine all over it, too.
So, yeah, so eventually, you know, he ended up. He fell in love with it. He wouldn't stop after that. So it was just like, Yeah, that's a no deal for me.
Isn't it so crazy one? When guys are like, expecting you to do swirly, twirly gumdrops on their dick with your mouth? But then you're like, Okay, your time, eat me out, and he's like,....
You're like, use your fucking tongue, like, what the fuck?
Like, yeah, go down.
Go crazy, make it happen.
Yeah.
I think it's just like my only thought could be that they're intimidated because they're insecure, because they don't know what to do. Like, we've got in a Rubik's cube situation going down. It's not as simple as a dick that you're like, Oh, this is what I have to lick.
Yeah.
This is a little bit more like some guys can't find the clit save their life.
Oh my gosh.
But if we are loving about it and be like, Babe, get in here, yeah, this is heaven down here.
Come on, come on in like, Are you crazy? And guys, I just feel like every guy should do it. I think it's...
And you should do it with passion and probably take a class and learn how to do it too while you're at it. Because it's really a key to a woman's heart, you know, it is, that's how you snatch a soul.
Like?
That's.
This is because, man, I'm not. I had never had an orgasm in my life until I met my fiance from a guy eating me out.
Oh, wow.
That's fire, everyone. I was just clearly fucking with guys that were just like, Yeah.
They don't know what they're doing.
Get it together, yeah, like, use your tongue as a muscle, lock it and load it and go for the beeline.
Yeah, they couldn't figure it out anyways. Okay, good to know.
That's great sends random dick pics.
I don't like that, I don't like dick pics, I don't want to fuck on FaceTime and I don't like dick pics.
You don't want to fuck on FaceTime? No, right? why can't we fuck in real life? yeah?
Just like, come on over, yeah, okay, flirts by being kind of mean.
I don't like that. ooh, ooh, I don't like that.
You know how guys do that sometimes, yeah, where they'll like, shit on you and you're like, are we in fifth grade? mm-hmm.
I don't like that, no, I like nice guys.
Me too, has hooked up with one of your friends before.
No, that's a no-no, you can't do that, you can't do that, I'm just kidding.
Okay, you said at the beginning that you're a freak, so I was going to ask on a scale of prude to freak, Where are we at KOI?
I'm a freak. Okay, yeah, I'm a freak.
What do you think that your best skill in the bedroom is?
Taking it.
I'm tiny.
I'm a little bitty, tiny, I'm a tiny little thing, I can take it.
What is your favorite position?
I like back shots, but I also like riding, riding, I can make myself come.
Oh, front or back turns.
Oh, again, I just got to push a little bit.
Right, push it a little bit. Yeah, so you would prefer? Ooh, that's hard. I wonder, reverse cowgirl or on top staring at them if you had to pick one?
I like staring at them. I like to whip my hair around when I would have hair and wigs and braids and stuff. Even now, I'll still swing my hair. I just not swing it, but swing my head, swing my head around.
I'll swing this hair, this head.
I'll swing and just like I, just like I like to look, I like eye contact, I like to feel like I'm making love. That's why when it's important, when I'm fucking with somebody, I'm fucking with somebody, yeah.
Yeah.
What is the best sex tip that you can give our ladies today? Something you just like, know you're good at that. They're like, I'm kind of in a rut, koi like, my sex life sucks, I'm not giving. what do I do?
Help us.
Deep throat bitch Oh, this was not girl. Grab it and choke, almost throw the fuck up when you do it.
Okay.
Because that right there is going to rail him right on in. I was not like the best, not the best. I was always good at sucking dick, but I wasn't not into it, It was not something I liked doing.
It was not something I did, so I guess I probably wasn't the best from the bitches. That really sucked dick, I would say, because that just wasn't me, and I hated deep throating, like, it's just not my thing.
But past year I was with my ex, we learned some shit.
And yeah, and that's when you realize, like, okay, like you just, you know, you got to just take it, gag reflexes like you'll learn it all, like, just. And don't look ugly when you fucking do it, bitch, don't roll your fucking eyes back and shit.
Like, just close them if you need to.
I'm dying. As you said that. I'm sure everyone's taking notes and they're like, how do we not look busted as fuck while we're literally getting gagged to the back of our throat? No, I agree, even if you're just like, look down or just close your fucking eyes.
Just close your eyes or look down. But bitch, take that fucking dick. It's going to hurt maybe a little bit. Your shit might be sore, it might be a little raspy next day.
You're going to be swallowing and be like, ooh, but it's going to be worth it, especially if it's your man. Like, don't just go out there throwing niggas because, ooh, girl, yeah, yeah, don't do that.
But if, but, but have fun. It's like, you got to, you got to if you want to trap him and you want him, and he already kind of got you. And you guys finally make it to the bag and like, you know, you don't even have to do it on the first day. Build up, build up. I'd never recommend, like, sucking dick on the first day.
Anyway, I think I'm telling you I don't like it. You got to be my man to be like, goggled on, you know what I mean?
I love that because I feel like I used to do the opposite, where I would just be insane.
You loved it.
And I wouldn't fuck them, though, and then they would be like, Wait, what? Like, what's going on? I'm like, I don't know, like, I just want to have fun and like, I like it, but like, you're not touching me.
So I think it's like, as long as you know your rhythm of, like, how you like to hold your cards, don't give it all up. Like, yes, that doesn't mean, like, don't have sex, you can have sex on the first night. But like, you're obviously not fucking them in the way that you're going to fuck your like boyfriend, like, you're not. You're fucking them like, Oh, this is the first time we're fucking. Imagine how I'm going to fuck you when it's yours.
When it's yours, exactly so you kind of want to tease them and type of words, I agree.
That's fine.
How the fuck did you get your throat to prepare?
I just did it, I'm just like, Ah.
Here we go.
Yeah, here we go, deep breath.
This goes, nothing, bitch, block your fucking nose and then like, Yeah, you know, yeah, one thousand percent, you got to just kind of just force it.
You got to just slowly get in there with a lot of spit, and you got to gradually start going, going, going, and then you just got to get in there.
Get in there.
Have faith in yourself.
Yeah, you'll, you'll do it, you'll get in there, and when you get in there, as long as you like. They love the fact that it touches there. So if you just like, do it real quick and then gag, and then do it real quick and then gag real quick, yeah.
Come back.
You want to stay down there for five fucking minutes.
You have to chill.
You're just going down and you can make your noises.
Have you ever done it this way?
It is so crazy.
I've never done it.
I've done it that way and I had full vomit coming up and I had to just.
Oh, it's hearty meal. I feel like my fucking neck will probably break.
Like, it's going to go down like the other way. No one time I fucking did it, I told the story of my podcast. I did it once, and I'd eaten like all this, like French onion soup.
And he went down and I vomited everywhere and all this onion chunks came out on the ground, oh my God.
What did he say?
He didn't care, did he? He was so obsessed, He was like this, He was like, I don't care.
Guys, if they don't like you, they're going to be like, I'll clean it up for you.
If they don't like you, they're like, Bitch, get the fuck out. They're like, you can get the cum towel and the throw up towel, and then you can get yourself your own Uber.
I never had the experience.
You know, he's like picking out onion from his stomach, He's like, it's okay. I'm like, So it was so romantic and now we're engaged.
That's so cute, that's so cute.
But deep throwing gets you far.
Yes.
Okay, I want to talk to you about some of the hate that you've gotten online. Like you kind of referenced it earlier, but you've received some pretty fucking shitty comments about your body specifically.
Yeah.
So one to people that aren't familiar, what are these comments? and also like, how do you deal with the constant comments and fixation on your body?
So I've gotten like comments like you're skinny, you look like a cockroach, you look like a boy, blah, blah, blah.
But I've been like, skinny my whole life and been my whole life. So it was kind of something that it was just like, knew that was happening. Since I've been famous and like, at first, they would never say anything about my size. First, it was about like, my overbite because I have braces and I sucked my thumb. And then it would be about, like, you know, just my appearance, I would say, my braids and my appearance, and just, and then it started becoming about my body.
So I started realizing, too, like every year they had something to say, and every year I leveled up, so I kind of just say, fuck them. I remember it was bothering me like a little bit, probably like a year ago, when I felt like it was taken away from my music. You know what I mean, I just don't like that.
Like, I'm so talented, I put in so much into everything I do. Like when it comes to my choreo, my fucking vocals, going in the studio, making amazing songs, having all these hit records. You know, just being this fucking bad bitch on everybody's mood board. Like a fashion icon, doing so many things, like so many nominations and just, you know, all kinds of blessings. People still find their way to, like, create this narrative about me being, you know, small or whatever. So it was just more so.
Trying to just fight through that and fighting through that was to keep going, keep showing them how talented you are. Like, just putting it in their face. Because they're going to eventually, they're going to be like, all right, like, bitch, we didn't call you skinny a million times. What else can we do like you're so fucking talented? And at the same time, there's nothing I can fucking do about my body?
Like, I'm sexy as fuck, like, you know, I don't want to change, I could change, like I could go and enhance, like whatever I want.
Did you ever like, with all the negative comments? did you ever think about ever doing that?
No, no, I thought about, like, looking in the mirror, like, damn, my ass is fat, like my ass is like this big, or my hips were like this big. I probably look like this, but it was never something that made me feel like I want to look like that.
It's just like it was a thought, cause, you know, who wouldn't want? Like, I love big titties, I think girls with big fucking boobs are sexy as fuck. I think it's something that I adore. I love the jiggliness.
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