"MIT Professor Max Tegmark: LIVE in Boston"

This is officially a cold open, I guess.

This is a cold open.

Right? This is like a...

Like on the podcast, we just kind of talk, and before we say what the name of it is.

Like an intro, and then we got to be like...

Yeah. We got to be like... Professional.

Oh, yeah.

And like, oh...

We. usually... You're just copying what I'm saying.

You're just copying what I'm saying. You're just copying what I'm saying. You're just copying what I'm saying.

I don't know how to tap into this.

That's okay.

Just say the only thing that you know how to say. Welcome to SmartLess!

Smart.

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We're so happy to be in Boston. We are so happy.

Thank you for being here tonight.

And you guys rolled out your nicest weather for us.

Yeah.

Felt like being home in Canada almost.

But thank you, thank you, thank you, not only for listening to our garbage, but coming out and looking at our garbage. Yeah. There's a better way to say that.

There's a way for it.

There's a better way to say that. So, all right, let's sit down. Yeah, we're just excited. Sit down.

So... Oh, wait, somebody left their phone here.

That's me. I brought it. It's in my pocket. I don't know why. If I do get a call, though, we're just going to take a quick break, okay?

The camera was on, too, Granddad.

Yeah, my flash was on.

Here, put it over here.

You're good. And I'm chewing gum.

It's a really professional operation here.

All right, so...

Let me ask you something. Yes. Do you guys... How is traveling going for you with all of this?

Great, great interview question. Sean. did a little preparation.

I know.

No, I really want to know that, because as of this morning,

Well...

Because I bring so many outfits with me.

And this is the best you could use.

It was just... I know.

Well, the true story is, the sweet girl who picks out my clothes for me, because I don't know how to do that, clearly, she sent me... She sent over... God love her. She's a really close friend, but she sent me over two of the exact same outfits today. Right.

It is a new thing for us, because we do this thing on our laptops, and we wear...

No, we're together. We're together.

We wear pajamas. So this whole notion of having to dress and actually have a specific time and all that stuff, it is odd. And that there's people here.

Yeah, yeah.

And usually one of us is a few minutes late.

I am commonly late.

Oh, that's you.

I am. Okay. But here's... I don't like to be... If you're early, you've wasted time, right?

we've got a lot of milling around going on there. By the way... I'm interested.

I go to a doctor's office now late, so I don't have to wait the 20 minutes they make me wait. Right. I just go, right? By the way, you still have to wait.

But do they like that?

They love me for that.

This sounds familiar. I feel like we talked about this, maybe.

I don't think we ever talked about that.

I don't think we've ever.

You're never early or late, are you?

No, I'm right on time.

You're always right on time. Yeah. What is that?

Just because I have... Just because I respect you.

Primarily. The implication is I don't respect you.

Here's the other thing I discovered the other day. Go, what were you going to say?

Well, no, I was just going to say about calling you Katy Perry. It wasn't just that. I just kept going, I don't know, ask Katy Perry over here. Like that. So it wasn't just bullying.

I can't, I'm so, I can't, is everybody, when you get a song in your head, you can't get it out? Am I the only one like, but it lasts an abnormal amount of time. Like a week, I'll get something stuck in my head.

They say, to count down backwards from a certain amount of number, and that will make you stop thinking of the, are you doing it right now?

Does it just work for songs? Yeah. Because there's a lot of shit I'd like to forget. Like that kind? Yeah, so I would just, if that works, I want to do that.

Well, the other thing that happened to me yesterday was I found my back has been itching and then we have, we have this.

Wait, are you going to?

Yeah, so we have this.

He's backing into a plug for Hypochondriac or his other podcast. No, no, no, no, no.

And, and, and.

So Sean, we're in conversations in the hotel room and Sean does a lot of this. He's like, uh-huh, what's going on? And he gets up against the door and going, really?

Yeah.

Like a dog, scooches across the rug. And scratches his.

Yeah. So then we, our friend Eli's with us and who we love and is a very good friend of ours. And, um, and I'm like, what's going on with my back? He goes, take your shirt off. Let me see.

You have.

Truly? Yeah, he said I have shingles.

Oh, were you not there? No. No, he, no, he went,

oh my God, that's shingles.

And I'm like, what? I just got the vaccine for shingles. How could I have shingles?

Right.

Cause, if there's a vaccine for it, it's in my body.

Yeah. Oh.

Yeah. Right? Yeah.

No. Say that again. Thank you. No. Thank you.

Yeah. Um, I used a pen earlier to write my, uh, my intro. And since we're talking about science, it's a great segue. Fellas.

Right.

I wanted to tap into the brain power of this city. Okay. We got a big brain coming out. Uh oh. This fella has a master's and a PhD from Berkeley.

Stephen Hawking.

Will Ferrell.

Stephen Hawking.

Please welcome a guy who can definitely make us all more smart, not less smart. Smart, less, you get it? Max Tegmark.

Oh! What? Max Tegmark!

Come on, Max. Oh, my gosh! Get out here. There he is.

Max!

This is Max Tegmark.

How are you, man?

It's so nice to meet you. Pleasure to meet you, sir.

Come on. Please.

Please. This is so exciting.

Well, see, we have the same stylist.

Wow. He wears a little better than you do.

He certainly does.

Now, can you do a better job than I just did of explaining what it is that you do? First of all, how do you introduce yourself? Call yourself what you do.

By the way, you look like a rock star.

Well, it depends on what I want. Like, if I'm on a long flight and I just want to be left alone and the person asks me what I do.

You say you're a pedophile.

Physics.

Right, right. But you are a...

If I want to talk, I'll be like, oh, astronomy. I'll be like, oh, I'm a Virgo. Right, right. Or maybe if I say cosmology, they'll be talking about eyeliner.

and makeup. Okay, so the class you teach is?

Oh, it's whatever they want me to torture the students with that year. So it can be either torturing the freshman who came out of high school with the basic physics of how stuff moves, to torturing the grad students with some advanced physics or advanced topics about our universe.

Okay.

Or most of my time I spend actually torturing my grad students doing research on artificial intelligence.

Okay, okay, good.

By the way, this is everything I'm for. Yeah. Will you marry me? No, I'm kidding. I wanted to...

You'll have to ask my wife over there.

Well, that's... I saw this documentary on artificial intelligence and what I was surprised to learn is that it's not about, like, robots like the Steven Spielberg movie. It's more about the amount of computing speed that we now can do. such that, like, I think they said in this documentary, you can put all the books that have ever been written into a computer now, and you're going to tell me whether I'm right or wrong. I bet I'm close to right, but probably wrong.

I mean... Isn't that called Google, though? Well,

I'm sure you could explain that, but, like, that's artificial intelligence.

That's... Well, yes and no. So, on one hand, yeah, you can take all the books that were printed and put them on a memory card so small that you might have a hard time finding it in your pocket, but that doesn't mean that a computer necessarily understands what's there, just because it can store it and kind of regurgitate it back to you, right? And I think the truth is, despite all the hype, that artificial intelligence is still mostly pretty dumb today compared to humans or even cats and dogs, but, you know, that doesn't mean it's going to remain that way. I think a lot of people make the huge mistake of thinking just because AI is kind of dumb today, it's always going to be that way.

Well, shouldn't we keep it dumb? Because if we let it get too smart, et cetera, what is that threshold, the point of no return?

Yeah, because remember that thing about Facebook where they started, I don't know if this is true, they started doing AI technology and then they started talking to each other and they shut it down? Is that true?

Because they were gossiping. Yeah.

It's true,

but I think Hollywood and media often make us worry about the wrong things. Sure.

Right. It can hurt if you use it incorrectly.

Exactly. And the same thing with all tech. The only difference.

Fucking A.

Is it because we have bigger biceps, sharper teeth than the tigers? No, it's because we're smarter. Right? So obviously, if we make machines that are way smarter than us, which is obviously possible, and most researchers in the field think it's going to happen in our lifetime, then it's either going to, clearly, either going to be the best thing ever or the worst thing ever. Yeah.

My question is, when it's the worst thing ever, by the time it becomes the worst thing ever, then we're fucked.

Then it's too late. Yeah.

So let's not let it be the worst thing ever.

So that's the catch, though. We humans have had to play this game over and over again, where technology got more powerful, and we're trying to win this race of making sure the wisdom with which you manage the tech keeps pace with the power of the tech. We always use the same strategy. Learn from mistakes.

But it seems like the big safeguard that we have as humans, that we don't yet have with machines, is that we have ethics, we have empathy, we have emotion, and what is the computer program that you would need to put together to inject that into this new machine with all of this information?

Yeah, can we put some Snuggles in it?

Yeah. That's a fantastic question. What's the Snuggle recipe? So you're hitting exactly my wish list. If you want to have ever more powerful AI, that's actually beneficial for humanity, right, so you can be excited rather than horrified about the future, there are three things you're going to need.

no, no, no, no, no,

that's not what I meant. And the car goes like, that's exactly what you asked for. Right. You know, it clearly lacks.

See, they do talk like that.

Literally.

So we humans have so much more background knowledge, right, that a machine doesn't, because it's like a very alien species of a sort. So that's hard for starters. And then suppose you can get that right.

But let me stop you there. Is there any chance of getting that right? In other words, the formula, the equation that equals emotion, responsibility, ethics, can you even create a computer equation for that?

I think right now we don't know how to do it. It's probably possible. We're not working enough on it yet. The catch is, though, computers are just like, you know, if you think of a baby, six months old, you're not going to explain the fine details of ethics to them because they can't quite get it yet. By the time they're a teenager, they're not going to want to listen to you anymore, those of you who have kids out there, right?

That window.

It makes it harder.

Did you see Ex Machina? Did anybody see Ex Machina? I did.

I did.

What did you think of that? Yeah, let's give it up for Ex Machina.

What is the most accurate film to science? Is it HAL in 2001 or Ex Machina?

Those are my top two, actually, because HAL emphasizes this key thing that you should really fear in advanced AI is not that it's going to turn evil, but that it's going to just turn really competent and not have its goals aligned with yours. That's what happens in HAL. No spoilers. Right. Like that taxi I mentioned.

60 years in, we're good,

but...

But then the other thing you should also worry about is, even if you can solve all these things, and I think it might take 30 years to figure this out, which is where we should start now, not the night before some folks on Too Much Red Bull, switch it on.

I've got two cans in me right now.

Not in the can.

Not in my can, but in...

Keep the super intelligence away from him.

Yeah.

But the other thing is, even if you manage to solve those technical problems, which we should have more research on, you also have to worry about human society, because just think for a moment about your least favorite leader on the planet. Don't tell me who it is, so we don't offend anyone in the audience.

Thank you for thinking of me as a leader.

But just imagine their face for a moment here, okay? And now imagine they are the one who controls the first super intelligence and take control over the whole planet and impose their will. How does that make you feel?

None of it.

makes me feel great. Listen, after a lifetime of doing all this stuff with the robot, how does it feel to talk to an actual robot? Like, that must feel...

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So, is there, do people have proprietary right over certain stuff, or does one country control a lot? Like, who's leading? China's leading the AI, are they not?

The U.S. and China are both very strong. I mean, most research suggests that the U.S. is still kind of ahead, but there's a lot of hype around both.

Both countries, of course,

try to... If anybody says.

they're going to the U.S.A., I'm going to lose it. And I'll bet when they.

say the U.S.A., they're talking about MIT and they're probably talking about him.

Well, you know how it goes. Both countries are trying to claim that. the, both countries' researchers are trying to claim that the other one is ahead, so they should get more funding. That's how we researchers always do it. But seriously, the interesting key here, I think, is ultimately, it's not really going to matter which country gets it first.

But it really is all. joking aside, I'm obsessed with the Terminator movies and anything sci-fi.

Sure, all joking aside.

Yeah, joking aside.

Yeah, let's put the jokes aside and let's talk about it.

No, but that's kind of the idea behind a lot of Hollywood movies and stuff. is that what if the A.I. has become more intelligent than humans? But here's the thing, I saw something on 60 Minutes years ago which fascinates me to this day, and I'm not going to get this right, but it's some guy with...

Andy Rooney's eyebrows.

That's it. No, so...

You ever wonder why I opened my own desk drawer and I got a tie from the 1968 Democratic Convention. It's got soup on it.

I don't like soup.

Nobody knows.

who Andy Rooney is, does they?

No, not at all. Yeah.

Yeah, well, this sort of stuff you can already do if you have a connection to Google.

Oh, yeah. Ergo, you saw it 15 fucking years ago.

What are you talking about? No, no, no. Sean. No, but that you.

Oh, you mean Peter Jennings or Jeopardy?

No, that you can, that if you think of a response, He got it. Okay.

He heard you.

Answered it. Let me move on to another question, something current.

So, you know,

we were talking earlier about.

What do you mean when you read people's brainwaves?

Well, I found it fascinating. I saw the segment where the guy was thinking an answer and it popped up on the screen.

The third time.

it's really clear. Hey. Sean. Your best robot voice. Go.

He's gonna sing Katy Perry. Watch.

Do you want to play a game of war?

No.

Do you want to play Tic-Tac-Toe?

Another 15-year-old. Jason. Robot voice. Do you want to play a game? That's it.

That's it.

He's teeing himself up. This is the voiceover artist here. Let's have it.

Do you want to play a game?

No matter how I say it, it's just the gayest.

computer ever. I'm sorry, Dave.

I can't do that. Do you want to play a game?

Like, yeah.

Okay, yeah. Sorry.

And? What's your best computer voice?

I'm sorry, Dave. I can't do that. I just love that house scene again. It is great. Because it points out what you really should worry about.

What's the next... Because when somebody says AI, all I picture are those mechanical dogs that walk around. And they don't really do anything. They're just like, oh, look, we invented a robot dog and it doesn't really do anything. So I want to know what's the next thing that we can use.

Is it mechanical cats?

Can it be? Yeah. No, you know what I mean? Oh, imagine.

the mechanical cats doing cats.

Oh, my God. That would be amazing.

Sorry. We'll get back.

You're saying, what's the next thing we can look forward to enjoying out of science?

Yeah, in the pop sense.

Okay, in the pop sense. So, first of all, so just to finish off what we've been talking about, you know, Hollywood, it makes us associate AI so much with robots and the Boston Dynamics dogs. You should check them dancing, by the way, if you haven't.

Dancing dogs?

The dancing Boston Dynamics robots. Super cool. But the biggest impact right now AI is having is actually not robots at all. It's just software, right? I mentioned this improvethenews.org project we're doing, which is just a little academic thing, but if you think about social media, that's all about AI.

really pissed off, you then research that thing even more, and then you get more ads and all that stuff. Boom.

So that's one.

Will there ever be a... Go ahead. Sorry.

I was just going to say another pure software thing that has nothing to do with bots is use AI for doing better science, better medical research, for example.

I was just going to ask about that. So is there any... I read a long time ago about, like, you put a locator chip in your dog or your cat, whatever. Can you... I heard that they might be making a chip that has all your medical files and you put it under your skin so you can just scan it.

Stop going to the doctor once a week. I'm dying.

Right, I'm like, what? And it's like, what's your name? I just filled three forms out that says what my name is.

I think I'm personally going to pass on that chip implant and just ask the hospital to have a less stone-aged computer system, but seriously, of course.

Did you hear about Sean showing up to doctor's appointments late, so that he doesn't have to wait?

It's riveting.

I don't know if that's AI or whatever.

Something huge that happened this year, for example, is biologists have spent 50 years trying to figure out, just from the DNA, how the shape is going to turn out to be of different proteins that our bodies make. It's called the protein folding problem, and then Google, DeepMind, solved it. No way. Yeah, with an AI, and now you can develop medicines faster. so this is a fantastic example, I think, of AI for good.

That's pretty cool.

I'm worried about everybody with their cars and automatic driving or whatever, and then they show up and then people are just going to show up at the ballet like dead in their car. It's going to be really, you know what I mean, like people are going to get in their car and then they're going to be like, the pizza guy shows up and he's like slumped over. No,

they'll open the door and just...

just out.

You know what I mean?

Like that's, that's what I'm worried about. Now,

with the combination of your, of what you know about computers, what you know about space, what you know about intelligence, I know, I know what you want to know. Go for you, okay, we have a question over here. He wants to know if there's aliens, but we're not going to ask him that. I can say something about aliens. No, what I want to know from you is, is it, based on your knowledge of all those areas, does it seem possible to you that there is the requisite amount of intelligence and technology at a place other than Earth?

see, he asks in a different way than I would.

Well, of course it's possible,

although, you know, my guess, based on spending a lot of years dealing with telescopes and thinking about these things, is that when we, for the first time, get a way more advanced technological intelligence showing up on this planet, it's probably going to be in our lifetime, and it's probably not going to come from outer space, it's going to be something we built.

What do you mean? What do you mean?

So you're saying that AI...

No, what do you mean, that we're building something to bring them here? What are you talking about? No,

I mean, we're. basically, the goal of artificial intelligence has always been to build stuff that's way smarter than us,

right?

And they're all going.

to be dead when they get here. No, wait, keep going. No,

but really, I mean, if you basically build a new species, a new life form, that's way, way smarter than us, right? Yeah.

That's alien.

That's alien. It's incredibly alien. It's much more different from a chipmunk or a tiger in that it really has nothing in common with our evolutionary history, nothing that doesn't necessarily care even about food or reproducing itself, anything. So,

That's what I'm saying. As despicable as human beings, we're all, including me, everybody, we're just so despicable that if the announcement came that like, oh my god, there are aliens visiting our planet, people would be like, oh, okay, I gotta check my Instagram. Like, I don't think people would be like, give a shit.

Based on that, it seems to me that what you would want to do is make sure that somehow built in all this stuff is some kind of a kill switch, and that the wise men who are.

And women.

You know what I mean, but, like a group, right, probably made up of you and your other colleagues, male or female, from around the world that are the leading scientists in this area, would get together on some encrypted platform and say, let's make sure we, only us five, know about this one thing that we could press to shut all these AI robots down that we've created on our planet.

I won't tell anybody.

I won't tell anybody. All for a kill switch. That's what I'd do. I'd say, let's go five bar.

robot. I know you would.

That sounds a little too elitist for me, because the idea that somehow, you know, a lot of stuff that we don't know a lot about AI should decide humanity's future.

I want it in your hands.

That's how it is now. You know, if we don't, if the rest of us, everybody doesn't get engaged in these things, who's going to make all these decisions? It's going to be probably a bunch of dudes in some back room who have not been elected. Are people who are super AI nerds, like specialists in human happiness?

Only they would know the ramifications of getting in the wrong hands.

But are they the ones who should be deciding?

what makes

weirdo? yeah, yeah, so I don't trust particularly elected people, but I also don't trust tech nerds with being experts in psychology. and what can we trust? then we got a show. everybody.

makes me. that makes me want to take a nap. well, you would you want to see what?

do you want it to be like? I would want all the technological advances that we have to go to, the bettering of the living experience, which means health and kindness, and all that stuff. yes, you know, you point it all in that direction, and then good decisions come from that? I don't know. yes, brave new world.

on now right, so a massive amount of money is spent on advertising. image ends up making teenage girls anorexic, and then we have a massive amount of it enormous amount of money now building robots to kill people for the first time, and they were used in Libya last year. they hunted down these fleeing people and just killed them because the robots decided that they were probably bad guys.

and I think I did not know about that. it's a I don't know. did you guys all know about that, about the robots that hunted the people down? yeah, let's not gloss over that. what happened this is the shit that I'm talking about.

I think I mean the current policy actually of the US government on on that killer robots and slaughter bots is three things. first of all, the u.s. says, you know, these are like murder hornets. first of all, we're saying this is nasty stuff that we don't never, ever want to delegate kill decisions the machine, so we're not gonna do it. second, it's gonna have a decisive impact on the battlefield.

we went from from from replicating sheep to slaughter bots, like it seems like.

that happened really quickly. yeah, yeah, so is there we, we, we, we had a. we were talking to a guest earlier today about time travel and now so it's on. it's on.

our minds. now we do have to ask you, like we did before, if you're good did.

you time travel here. is there any chance and I won't bore you with the same question that I that I asked that astronomer that we had about the mirrors?

it was a real highlight, but but I'm gonna try here. so the will said Neil deGrasse Tyson was on and Jason asked a really long question and about time travel and will said hey, do you think we could put enough mirrors and go travel back in time to the beginning of Jason's question. it's a valid. it's hard for me.

my valid. okay, so the Sun, the the light we get from the Sun, has been traveling seven minutes. eight minutes. eight minutes, okay. so we're basically feeling something that's eight minutes old, right, okay, so isn't there a way to have a?

mirror that creates. anyway, yes, there is, he says, yes for us actually, in the middle of our galaxy. yep, there's this monster black hole that weighs about four times as much as the Sun, and it's black. oh, that's mine. it's a black hole and if you look at it really carefully, light that went from you actually was bent by its gravity, so much that it comes back on the other side of the black hole.

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and now back to the show. so talk, go. so that's basically time to. in other words, these telescopes like the one we just launched off the weather. they're looking so far back.

came, all came out. we should say we all took mushrooms before some of us took a.

double possibility of time travel. yeah, so this is a kind of see, but not touch time travel. okay, the sky is a time machine just like that. you know, you see me? yeah, three nanoseconds ago you see the Sun.

we gonna be alive when we start to see any of this stuff. that's gonna really.

blow our minds. yeah, because and and Mars, are we living on Mars go? so this all.

this is the upside of artificial. that's not a follow-up, it's a different subject.

artificial intelligence, because either we can use it to go extinct in our lifetime or we can use it to bring all these awesome things about in our lifetime. we used to think oh, this is gonna take 10,000 years to get like the sci-fi novels, because we humans have to figure out all the tech ourselves. yeah, no, if we can build this incredibly advanced AI that can then build more advanced AI, etc. etc. we might be able to build this tech.

laws of ethics like if, just because we can, should we like, how do we know when we, as a society are mature enough to handle some of the technology that we?

can access. I think going and having some fun, joyriding around black holes is ethically okay. yeah, it's my inner nerd speaking here, as long as you don't force other people to go with you. but but on the other hand, that's one of the men.

don't be nerd, we're just going to the black hole, like we're not forcing but it.

is peer pressure? that's one of the questions that they asked in Jurassic.

Park was just could just go. good Jurassic Park good. yes, I'm in the science.

just because you can create this island with these dinosaurs. yes, should you now right that, based on the science of that, the amber that was frozen in there with the DNA of the dinosaurs, is that real? is that real? well, now, you know we have my.

friend George Church down at Harvard. here he's talking about already bringing back the mammoth by just taking the DNA together, assembling it, error-correcting a scooter, then basically DNA, printing out the mammoth DNA and boom, mammoth. we can do a lot of these things, leaving we can come back to the ethical questions.

I just stopping him exactly. who's what's the? what's the mean? what's his name? again, George Church.

me just say a bigger thing first, though, just to get the controversies out of the way. you know, I think we humans to really get the ethical decisions right and let people forfeit some dumb stuff. you have to. we have to remember how much upside there is. also, we're living on this little spinning ball in space where they almost eight billion people on it, and we're spending so many years killing each other over a little bit more sand here and a little more forest there.

out of time with our use on this planet because of environment, where we don't get. I'm reading your mind. yeah, we're getting to Mars, so so can we point the AI to our challenges here regarding the environment? fix that real quick and then.

we can explore everywhere else right, I think we need to fix things here in parallel. you know the. the problem, the reason that the rainforest is partly gone, the reason they were messing up our climate and so many other things, isn't because we didn't know ten years ago what to do about it. it's because we've kind of already built another kind of AI, these very powerful systems, corporations, governments, etc. that have goals that aren't so aligned with a rainforest, and maybe the overall goal is if we can use the AI to tell them how.

they can make more profit doing things that don't kill the earth, then they'll.

stop chopping down the forest. maybe we should take a bigger step back, you know.

the whole point of having. I mean you've got stock in Exxon, don't you? he's not. he's not. he's not comfortable.

was in economics. so I am very sympathetic to the free market using more efficient. but the whole point of the free market is that you know you should get done efficiently things that you want to get done, and then you should have, of course, some guidelines. we. that's why we.

know where you don't like the weekend, I think, but right now we have if you.

create something you know whether it be a super powerful dictatorship or it be, does? I don't tobacco company that tries to convince you that cancer is, that smoking is dangerous or whatever. no, it has its own goals and it's gonna act. it's good to think of these things a little bit like an AI, even though it's not made out of robots yeah, made of people, because there's no person in a tobacco company that can single-handedly change its goals. right, if the CEO decides to stop selling cigarettes, he's just gonna get fired, right?

cultural rather than scientific. if you will, yeah, although you do need to geek.

out a lot about the whole business with incentives like why did we invent the legal system in the u.s. well, because we realize it's not so smart that people always kill each other every time they get into a squabble about a hot dog. right right, so a consequence. so you change consequences and now they'll die twice and they'll just punch each other instead or settle it in some other way. we we.

meantime. amen, but you know I mean we're. it's that's been the modus operandi up till now and we are. we're running out of time and people are taking their profits because they figure they're gonna be dead before the ramifications of it really like. so I think the computers have to help us out.

so this is why I'm so into this AI empowerment thing, why I want to think about how can we use AI and put it into the hands of people so that they can very easily, like catch come other powerful entities that are trying to screw them over, and a new kind. it's a way of using technology to strengthen.

democracy. are we gonna live on the moon at all? you want to? yeah, is that possible? are we planning on what you want?

I would totally live there. all of these things are certainly possible. I'm very much of the opinion that it's easier to make it really comfortable and pleasant life on this planet. yeah, so I would also like to ruin it. is there one?

project that you're working on right now, just one that you feel extremely passionate about right now, that you could share with us, it's actually.

improve the news.org this thing I mentioned earlier it's called improve news.org improve the news.org it's just this free little news aggregator, but it's all powered by machine learning. so that's why it can actually read 5,000 articles every day. and then what we're doing is, instead of just saying okay, today we have a lot of new sites. you can go there and read about all the good things that Democrats have done and all the bad things Republicans have done. and then there are other ones where you can read about all the great things that Republicans have done and how the bad things Democrats done.

narrative. does it have photos like? would it have a photo of will last January 6?

you mean in the capital on the way with the goggles? yeah thing, there's no way you're getting that photo. yeah, what's best word? all score. go and be careful, he.

got. he got an unbeatable score today. got it in to this guy. not bad, yeah, not bad.

that sounds amazing, but it's it's so exciting and also just all the emails you get from people. because I think, yeah, again, bits, bits are free, you can give them away the world and AI is sounds fancy, but it's just code, yeah.

yeah, well, listen, I want you with a fresh mind tomorrow when you get back at it, so I don't want you to stay up later anymore today. thank you for joining us. you guys feel a little smarter. yeah, a little bit smarter. I feel smarter I.

definitely do. thank you very, very much here, pal. thank you very much now here's.

that. now I go ahead. how much dumber do you think you are than him? like on a on like an IQ score? what do you think his score is versus?

smarter I am than you, which was great. that's fair, like. do you think? actually I feel very buoyed by that whole experience? do you think it's double his intelligence over his, over mine, over mine?

hours. I don't know that he would listen to me for more than five minutes, but I could talk to him for hours. yeah, I love, all is a fantastic guess. yeah, right up.

my alley, right up my alley, cool. and and I think that if I think that if we all spent more time thinking about that kind of stuff, just a little bit, that maybe we could get around to solving some big issues tonight, let's solve it tonight.

guys, everybody huddle up. yeah cool, thank you, I know you, we all kind of share. we love all of our guests. those are nice pops, because there's stuff that we don't usually cover on the podcast and I just repeating myself, but I just love that stuff. I could ask him a million more questions.

of this thing, ergo the title we thought we'd. you know, bring people on. that can educate us a little bit more on things that we don't know about. we happen to get lazy and ask some of our famous fancy friends to come on. this is a real treat to be able to access these you know big, big thinkers in this incredible.

town. so now, like it's sort of it's, it's incumbent upon us to really kind of do something about. we can't sit around all day in our pajamas, you know, and in our slippers, you know what I mean or then just go to the golf course and then get in our Tesla's. we have to, right, don't you think you? don't you think that's?

important for and I'm not, I don't want to single anybody, I will never be one of.

the ruining things, but but no, it is true that thank you for you've educated us a.

little bit more. it's pretty, yeah, and I think you know I could talk to him. I want to talk about the web telescope, because you know those kinds of things.

oh god, here comes a bye. everybody. get you feel it when I start to ramp up the.

engine. Sean, if you don't lay in it, you can't do it. no, you just gotta get into.

it more subtly. well, I'm just no you a mile. I'm just saying like telescope like.

that is much better than any you know thing like this. what are these all those?

are.

thank you, Boston. thank you so much.

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