#2173 - Jimmy Dore
2024-07-04 02:43:22
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His Zionism. You know, if he didn't have that, I think he could be president, but...
You mean RFK Jr.
? Yeah.
Oh, I was confused. I meant figuratively.
I was like, what? I was like, how does this have anything to do with the boycott of Starbucks and McDonald's and Sirhan Sirhan? Like, what? Some rabbit hole shit I didn't know about? Is that possible?
You know, Sirhan Sirhan, his house was in Pasadena, which was close to where I used to live.
Really?
Yeah. One day my wife was like, yeah, Sirhan, Sirhan lives over here. I'm like, get out of here. I didn't know.
Have you ever read into the MKUltra connection between Sirhan Sirhan, Jack Ruby, and Jolly West?
So, no, I haven't, but now I'm working with Kurt Metzger and he knows all that shit.
He knows too much.
He can just go off.
You've ruined him. You've ruined him. Because he didn't, I don't think he's aware of so many legitimate actual conspiracies, meaning like where governments and corporations conspire against the American people, lie, twist facts, distort things. But Kurt is one of those guys that once he finds out something, you know, because he grew up in a cult, right? Yeah.
So he's in a Jehovah's Witness cult when he was young. Yeah. Sorry, Jehovah's Witnesses. But, and then becomes a comedian and, you know, like he's so averse to bullshit. He's like, oh, no, no, no, no, no.
Cause like you fucking ruined my childhood. I know what this is. I've seen this before. I've seen this in another form.
I know what this is. Yeah, that's, that's his like superpower, because he's been through it.
You ruined him. His show, you ruined him. He's. so, he's so crazy now. He's so mad now.
Do you see him get upset on the show? He gets legit angry.
Here it is. Other controversial cases West was assigned to, including evaluating Sirhan Sirhan, who assassinated Robert F. Kennedy at the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles, June 5th, 1968.. West claims Sirhan was the subject of psychic driving, a mind-altering technique involving hypnosis or paralytic drugs. Psychiatrists often use barbiturates for this.
Shuttle the fuck down. You used acid. Stop lying. What is this? Oh, maybe possibly barbiturates or something legal.
No, they were using acid.
Who's this West guy?
Jolly West was the head of MKUltra. Oh, no, kidding. He was the guy that they, yeah, that they chronicle extensively in Thomas O'Neill's book, Chaos, about the Manson case.
Oh, so, yeah, my wife is reading that right now.
God damn, that's a good book.
She has it in an audio book, so I'll walk into the house and I'll hear like, what the fuck?
You know how crazy that book is? Tom was Greg Fitzsimmons' roommate in New York. And then also, not roommate, excuse me, neighbor. He was his neighbor in New York, and then also his neighbor in Venice, California. So they were like near each other.
For 20 years this guy's been working on this. He started working on it as an article, right? So he writes it as an article, but then, once he starts getting into the information, it's so extensive, it's so crazy, that he can't finish the article. Because the article is just an anniversary of the Manson assassinations, the Manson killings. So then, 20 years later, he finally puts out this book.
And he's got enough information for another fucking book. And it's wild. It's all a CIA plot. The Manson family was all, Manson was visited in prison by Jolly West. They trained him, allegedly, in hypnosis techniques, using LSD, how to mind control people.
He would not do the acid, but he would give the acid to the people. Which is something, also, that apparently the MKUltra people trained him. And he would get them to commit evil acts. And the whole thing was to discredit the anti-war movement. That's the whole thing, was the hippies.
Yeah.
Yeah, so they turned hippies into something fucking terrifying. So hippies used to be like, oh, she's a flower child. Oh, they're peace and love, you know, cute, nice stuff. But then they turned hippies into fucking psychotic murderers who cut babies out of movie stars' bellies. And paint on the wall, pig, you know, that kind of shit.
Yeah, Kurt was also telling me about that. Like, that's the perfect way to discredit the anti-war movement. Yes.
Well, that's also why the Psychedelics Act of 1970 was passed.
Oh, really?
Yes, the Psychedelics Act of 1970 was passed to go after the Black Panthers. And to go after the civil rights leaders. And to go after the anti-war movement. Because those people were all taking drugs. So they're eating mushrooms and trying to come to like some sort of an understanding of our place in the universe.
And they said, okay, we're going to take all of these psychedelic compounds that are literally creating a cultural revolution. So you go from the 1950s, you get – I always say music is like the best representation of that. And comedy as well, but really music. If you look at, like Buddy Holly, great music, great stuff. And then Jimi Hendrix is 10 years later.
What the fuck is that? What is – that's like a revolution. Like out of nowhere, something is insanely different. Like it's not even from this earth. Not even from this earth.
That's all psychedelics.
And we've never had a leap like that since. Isn't that weird? Like you, listen to music from the 80s and a lot of it sounds like it could be made today.
It's coke music. The 80s, they were all doing coke. They were watching Miami Vice. They were doing coke, wearing no socks with loafers.
But remember, I mean, whenever I hear a Prince song, I'm like, oh, that could be made today. That could have been from right now.
Yeah, well, Prince was the most versatile, right? Because he could do anything. Like, if you go to his early stuff, it was like this real sweet music about fucking. You know?
Yes, yes. It was all about fucking.
That song Head from his first album. Or, I think, his second album. God, he was good. He was so good.
I love that he had, that. There was that band.
More Stay in the Time.
Yes.
I like them almost more than Prince. I just like them.
Oh, he's got this one song that's on our. I think it's on the playlist. I hope it's on the playlist. It's called. If it's not, I'm going to put it on there right now.
It's called Cool. Because I'm cool.
Yeah, that's right.
Am I dying in San Francisco?
Dance all night in Rome.
That's it. Yeah.
Morris Day was the shit.
Maurice, bring me back. I love that. I thought that Morris Day was going to be bigger than.
I know. Well, I didn't think he was ever going to be bigger than Prince. I think Prince is a legitimate, was, excuse me, a legitimate genius.
Oh, yeah, he was.
And he's another guy that we lost because of fucking bullshit. Because of Fentanyl.
Yeah, you think that's what.
That's what happened to him.
What do you think about. So now people are revisiting the.
God, it was in the playlist. It is now. Oh, it is? I had to put it in the mother shit playlist. How's that not in there?
He has a song called Walk Everybody. Yeah. Walk your body. Everybody, walk your body. Yeah.
I'm about to walk a hole in my Stacey.
He was just so cool.
And so then I would go out and buy Stacey Adams shoes.
I would. And so we would. There was this place. Oh, there was a very derogatory. It was Maxwell Street in Chicago.
And they used to call it. I can't say it, but. Because it's anti-Semitic. And.
So we would go down there and you could walk into all these clothes stores and you could bargain with them. And I never experienced that before. Like you walk in and use, the price was a price. You go to the mall. The price is you can't bargain, but you could bargain.
So it was. It was like an exciting thing to do. Me and my brothers would all go down there and you'd go into all these stores and you'd like put all these clothes together. Like we'd start bartering. Like, OK, how about this?
How about that? It was fun. I miss those days. That's where I'm in. In the Blues Brothers.
Remember, they go down to get the black guy who's the clarinet player. And you better think they think so that whatever that would. that's where that took place.
Oh, wow.
And but I think that's all gone now. I think they got rid of that. And they I don't know what they put me in Applebee's. But I think the University of Illinois, Chicago made me be expanded into there.
Oh, interesting.
Those were. those are the days I missed the Morris Day in the time I missed those days.
These are the best days. But those, but then these days. right now, these are the best days.
You think?
Yeah, by far.
By far. They are for me.
By far for everybody, because we get all the other stuff from those other eras. We still can listen to that, too. We still watch that, too. But we we have a bizarre time where the world is waking up, where people are so much more aware of the corruption. And the just.
the way the world works is more. it's more highlighted than it's ever been before. And I think it's more fun. It's it's like some of the things that are stupid are so stupid. Like when you see Biden, we need Medicare.
Thank you, Mr. President. Like, how the fuck is that real? How is that real? The guy like locks up like Windows 95 stammers for 15 seconds.
And then he says, we, we beat Medicare.
I was doing a show the other night at the Hotel Cafe in Hollywood, and I do a joke about Joe Biden, you know, like one of the get a dog to leave him off stage, you know, and and the people in the crowd, like they're all like 20 something Hollywood people. And they go, oh, I could. I was like, what? I have, friends like you. I know that it's.
Listen, they've done a good job. They've done a really good job of pretending.
I love Joe Biden. I love, I've always loved Joe. No one's ever fucking love Joe Biden. He's always been a joke in a punch line. And this idea that somehow it's Joe Biden's integrity and truth telling against Donald Trump.
He lied. like the first time Joe Biden ran for president. He had to drop out because he got exposed for being a pathological liar. He said he graduated at the top of his class. He graduated at the bottom.
He said he had three majors anyway. He said he was chosen the most outstanding political. No, it was all lies. And then he got called plagiarizing someone else. Not only this, their speeches, but, like their life story.
He liked it. It was like, who does that? And so he had to. He's been a joke. Always was a joke.
And this idea, you know, the reason why black and brown had it. I had to tell this to Cornel West when he came on my show. Hey, the reason why black and brown people are locked up at way higher rates than their population is because of Joe Biden. Not because of Donald Trump. Donald Trump actually did the step back.
Right. Which is probably why he's getting 20 percent of the black vote right now. This. So this. Although all their.
You're right. All their narratives are falling away. People are waking up. And not only in America, but I do. Not to get.
I do miss a time before cell phones and the Internet. It was more of an innocent time. I do miss that time.
I'm glad we went through it.
Yeah. I mean, I'm. I'm also.
I don't miss it.
OK. But.
But I was just in Europe. Right. I want an 11 day tour or whatever.
And I didn't know if I was going to have, you know, everybody's going to show up. They did. And same. It's like the same shit that people hit. They're.
they're upset at the media. They're upset at the control. They're upset at the censorship. And I didn't know, like Jeff Bezos. I was in Norway.
And they're like, yeah, Jeff Bezos owns fricking media. here, too. I'm like, what? I didn't. I never thought about like that.
Of course they would. Of course. And so, and everybody's going through the same shit. London, Sweden, Denmark, Norway. They're all fucking pissed off, like like I am.
And they're like all, sick of being lied to. And they're all. they're all hate their media. And they all feel controlled.
That's what's good about today. Because before, the media used to do exactly what they're doing now. But they didn't. It wasn't transparent. Right.
Nobody knew. Right.
Well, there used to be 50 giant media companies. So there used to be more truth that could get out. But now, because of Bill Clinton and the Telecommunications Act of 1996, we went from 50 giant media companies down to six. Meaning that every TV show, every newspaper, every magazine, every radio show. It all comes from one of the six companies.
Right. And that's why journalism sucks so much right now. Because journalists used to come from blue collar backgrounds like me. But now they they know they all have to work for one of the six billionaire owned companies. Right.
And so the billionaires handpicked those people from Ivy League schools now. And they're all going to be class loyal. And so that's why the whole thing is, you know, it's a great time. But also we're pitted against each other now by the media like never before. Right.
Like, no matter what the story is, they have their minions in the press reported in a way that makes you hate your neighbor. And blame your neighbor. And not the guys doing it. So the oligarchy keeps us fighting amongst each other. And that's real.
That's not made up. I mean, look at how they lied about the biggest story. So the Kyle Rittenhouse story. Right. Now, I hated that kid because the corporate media told me he was a white supremacist who didn't live in that community.
He traveled across state lines with guns to shoot three black people at a Black Lives Matter rally. And I hated him. And then I watched the trial. And it turns out he did live in that community. He was a lifeguard in that community.
He was asked to protect a car dealership by immigrants of color because the cops wouldn't. And he didn't travel across state lines with guns. And he didn't shoot three black people. He shot three white people. And I was like, what?
I think he only shot two guys.
Maybe you're right.
He killed one.
He definitely shot three. And then he shot the other guy through the arm.
Yeah.
And they're all three criminals. That's another part. they leave out.
They're all three criminals. Terrible people. This is the thing about riots, right? When riots are too much like a war.
Anytime there's a gathering, protests, when people get angry and they're marching, I think that ignites in us the same feelings of war. And people start doing wild, crazy shit. They went after that dude with a skateboard and tried to hit him with a skateboard. He ran away from them before he shot them.
So he shot the first guy, who was the pedophile, right? And we know that guy had threatened to kill him.
So he shot and killed two men, wounded another man. So three. So he killed two and wounded one.
And the first guy he shot had threatened to kill him all day long. And we know that he attacked him because his fingerprints are on the gun barrel.
It even says it right there in Wikipedia. Stop. Go back.
Yeah. Grab the barrel of his rifle. There it is.
It says, look at this. A race was a major theme in the U.S. media commentary, although Rittenhouse and those he shot were white.
Were white?
Isn't that wild?
Yes.
Most people didn't know, including people that met Kyle Rittenhouse. Someone, David Lucas, the stand-up comedian, he knows Kyle Rittenhouse. He brought Kyle Rittenhouse to the mothership. And guys who were there, who met him, the guys you shot, were white?
Yeah.
Everybody's like, what? Yeah. And then you have to tell them, not only were they white, these guys were career criminals. One guy was a pedophile.
The one guy pulled a gun on him. Yeah. Yeah.
The media just fucked that kid, and he won. And he won, and he got exonerated, and now— Go ahead.
No, people say to me, they go, Jimmy, why are you defending Kyle Rittenhouse? I go, I'm not defending Kyle Rittenhouse. I don't know. Kyle Rittenhouse. I'm defending the truth.
And why aren't you pissed off that the corporate media lied about a 16-year-old kid to divide the country? Because that's what that was about.
Yeah. And you're just going to polarize that kid even more. I mean, that kid's going to lean so far right now. Of course. Of course.
They're the only people that stood by him. And everybody else lied about him. The media lied about him. And so many people had this—there's surface narratives, right? And surface narratives are the best—the media is the best at propagating surface narratives.
They're best at headlines, even if they're misleading.
Safe and effective.
Yeah. But these surface narratives are the ones that get into people's heads that are the least informed. And that's the general population.
People still think Russiagate's real. Oh, yeah. Look at people like Bill Maher. Oh, yeah. That was shocking to me.
I'm like, oh, I thought he just hated Trump.
He doesn't even know what the WEF is all about.
He didn't even—did you see what Roseanne had to tell him?
Yeah, that's crazy.
He didn't even know what MKUltra was. That's crazy. Like—.
That's crazy.
And then he got the balls to tell Bill Burr, this isn't your lane. It's not your lane either, Bill. You don't know fucking anything.
Bro, Bill chewed him up. That was wild. You can't go tat-tat-tat like that with Bill, because he does that to himself all day. All day. He's like battling it out in his own mind, having arguments.
Well, look at you, fucking Bill.
Look at you.
You have fucking stupid sneakers on. You're 55 years old, dressing like a teenager. What the fuck are you doing?
What did you ever do? Why should people listen to you? You're fucking—. You're a fucking pasty retard. You're not a general.
You never did anything.
Exactly. Exactly.
But that's the—you know, the biggest shocker to me is the bubble that people live in, right? Uh-huh. And it's like, don't you—it's just like with the debate. Like, do you think that the lies that the media has been telling—I've been saying Joe Biden's been a demented walking death rattle since 2019.. And it's because it's been obvious that he's suffering from something.
Well, there's a decline, right? If you just saw him in 2019, it wouldn't be as obvious. But if you saw him from, like, when he was running for president in 1988, which I did— did I ever tell you about Joe Biden night that we used to have at Stitches? No. Stitches Comedy Club, in 1988, we had Joe Biden night.
And what is that? That would mean I would go on stage and do your act, and you would go on stage and do my act.
Because he was a plagiarist.
So we would call it Joe Biden night, and all the comics would go up and do each other's acts.
That sounds like fun.
It was fun. It was so fun. Because, just like some guys, you know, you watch a guy like Jimmy Tingle, or, you know, back in those days, Steve Sweeney. You get to—you could go up and do their acts.
Fitzy, Fitzy, Fitzy, Fitzy, Fitzy.
Yeah, and the guys you work with all the time, where you got to see their set all the time, you'd go up and do their act. And we had a great time. But it was open mockery that he was a known plagiarist.
In 88.
. In 88.. I know that's why this whole—this rehabilitation, it's all because of Trump derangement syndrome, that they have to pretend, like Joe Biden's, some kind of guy with integrity and dignity instead of, you know, the horrible, criminal, anti-worker guy that he's been his whole life. He's been anti-student, anti-worker, and he—he crossed a goddamn railroad strike. And everybody just memory holds that, that that happened.
Like, if Trump did that, they would—it would be on billboards forever. And, again, it's—what, Joe, why do you think that these—because my whole life, the establishment loved Donald Trump, right?
Well, because the only option is if you don't go with Biden, then you're not with the Democrats. And the Democrats view themselves as a team. They view themselves as a team as much as patriots. think of America first. It's like that team is Democrats first.
And that's the only representation they have right now. Like, apparently—and I don't know if this is true, but someone was telling— were you telling me about this, Jamie, about the live streaming of—was it you, or was it someone else—of Rob Reiner and all these people?
Oh, they were—.
Earlier, too. I'll find the story. They were all live streaming the debate and freaking out.
Barbra Streisand's crying.
These people are deranged. These people are no different than the Manson family in that they are in a cult. Yeah. They're locked into this ideology. It's not as bad as the Manson family, but it's clearly a cult.
It's an ideological cult where you're not willing to go against any of the doctrines of the cult.
And you're not allowed to. You're not allowed to have—you have to practice groupthink, and that's that.
Yeah. And Bill Maher's a heretic, even though he's very much a liberal. He's a heretic because he says—.
Because every once in a while, he'll tell the truth.
A lot of times. He's not as informed as I'd like him to be about some of the stuff, like MKUltra, the WEM—.
Or Ukraine.
Well, I don't know what he knows about Ukraine, but he hates Donald Trump. But I think—I couldn't figure it out out of the pocket. He wouldn't even have a rational discussion as to why he hates him.
He's crazy.
But the thing—I found out that he was sued by Donald Trump.
Yes, so that was— That's probably it. Because when he said that, Donald Trump—he was an orangutan. And so he sued him.
Hollywood's Debate Watch Party with Robert J. Fonda ended in shouts and tears.
That should have been—fuck, keeping up with the Kardashians. That should be the fucking—the real reality show.
And that's what you get. And I say good for you. That's what you get for fucking lying. They've all lied. I think the media took just as big a hit as Joe Biden did that night.
Because now—I mean, just a few weeks ago, there's that Joe Scarborough, that mental case on Morning Joe on MSNBC. And he was saying, let me tell you something, and if you don't believe it, F you. He says this on 6 in the morning. This is what he's telling his audience. F you.
This is the best version of Joe Biden I've ever seen. He saw that clip, right? This is the best version. Let's play it.
Let's play it. It's amazing.
It is amazing.
Wasn't he a Republican at one point in time?
Yes. And they say that Trump is the liar. It's like they are right now in the middle of telling the biggest lie that's ever been told in politics. This is bigger than FDR can walk. This is bigger than that.
Hampton. real estate is not cheap. And you've got to do some things maybe you don't want to do. If you want to buy that sweet house and just drink your champagne by the lake. Or the bay, rather.
Just looking over in the ocean going, I fucking made it, baby. I'm here in the Hamptons.
I'm about to go to dinner with Rob Reiner.
Hey, I've always said, I don't know if I'm better or worse than those people. But no one ever made an offer to buy me out. So I don't know how I would react.
I don't think it's a buyout or a sellout thing, man. That's a thing that people think. I think what happens is you get locked into a cult. And then, I think also you get invited to things with important people. And that 100% will shape the way you talk about stuff.
If you get invited to a dinner with Bill Gates and some very important people. When their name comes up, you're going to defend them.
Well, Barack Obama talked about how just being in the room with the donor class changes you. Just being in the room with them. Chris Hayes wrote a book called The Twilight of the Elite about how that happens. And then he became the thing he wrote about. It's unbelievable.
Yeah, I don't know much about that.
Don't you think it's amazing how they fired all the Arab reporters and the Muslim reporters at MSNBC. Because they were telling a little bit of the truth about what's happening. Or they were confronting people over it.
You have to have one narrative.
And that's it.
They're supposed to stand up for these. Why didn't Rachel Maddow say something? Why didn't Chris Hayes? None of them said anything. Fake, tough guy, Lawrence O'Donnell.
None of them said anything. They just said, okay, keep your head down and keep taking it. Rachel Maddow gets paid $100,000 a day. To me, that's a lot of money. Good for her.
You buy a lot of man suits with that money.
Did you have a Joe Scarborough video? When she was being interviewed by Ben, what's his name? The guy who did Tropic Thunder. Ben Stiller. Oh, Ben Stiller.
They were wearing the exact same suit.
Of course. Of course. That's one way that, for whatever reason, hardcore lesbians, when they want to be taken seriously, they dress like a man. And they dress like a man in a business outfit. Like Hannah Gadsby.
Oh, okay.
Look how she dresses. She puts a suit jacket on. She's fat, fat. I'm serious. I'm here for the meeting.
I'm here to explain things to you people. Look at Joe Scarborough. What does he say? Is this the one you're looking for? Yeah, yeah.
Let me hear it.
Start your tape right now, because I'm about to tell you the truth. And F you. if you can't handle the truth. It's 6 in the morning. It's 6 in the morning.
F you. This version of Biden, intellectually, analytically, is the best Biden ever.
Not a close second.
Not a close second. The Brzezinskis have known him for 50 years. And we're all fucking liars. I wouldn't say it.
And these people say that Trump's a liar. I mean, Trump's a huge bullshitter for sure.
We're in a Coen Brothers movie.
This is unbelievable.
Can you imagine? I don't know how many people watch that show.
45 people.
Can you imagine still tuning in after that? Yes.
I would fucking wake and bake, and let's go. Tell me about the world, Joe.
I used to watch.
Before I went to sleep, I used to be a night owl when I was just a comedian before my show.
So I would wait till 3 in the morning. I'd be up late. I'm like, oh, I can wait. I can watch Joe Scarborough before I go to bed. Morning Joe.
And the joke I used to do is I watch it before I go to bed, because I like to go to bed angry.
I don't know how anybody could watch that again. after that. How could you? And have any self-respect? Unless you're high and you're enjoying it.
You have to be high and enjoying it. And then it becomes high comedy. Because it's so good. That was so good. That was so good.
If you put that in a movie, people wouldn't buy it. I know. They would go, come on. No, that's not real. No one would do that.
This is stupid. I've lost my disbelief.
F you. He's going to tell his own audience, F you. if you don't believe, Joe Biden's not the man.
Yeah. If I was in a movie theater, my suspension of disbelief would be, oh, come on.
This is.
That's why I was confused when I was looking. There's other videos I'm seeing. That might have been a different time. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
That was just a few weeks ago.
But this is saying right here, post the debate. And he's saying they should replace.
After the debate, it changes, too.
That's part of the thing.
So that was right before. Yeah, I thought this was after. That was weeks before the debate. He's saying that. I'm like, can you believe the balls on these people?
Crazy balls. And so then, after the debate, he does this 180.. And there's all these videos that show him, before and after. The greatest 180 turnaround of all time.
So, if you go to the one up there with the black and white Joe. Yes, that's the one. Show that. It's only 30 seconds. But I undersold him when I said he was cogent.
He's far beyond cogent. I think he's better than he's ever been. This is a battle for the future of American democracy. And now is a good time. In June, thank God.
In June and not October. In June. This is the last chance for Democrats to decide. Whether this man we've known and loved for a very long time. Is up to the task.
So that's just a matter of weeks in between those two. Joe. Yeah. F you. And I wouldn't say it if it wasn't true.
Okay. Now we can. Thank God, we can replace them. Well, here's why I have a theory about this, by the way. Okay.
So they've never done the presidential debates this early in the election season before. Right. And so my theory is that his own team sabotaged him. They knew this. So they wanted to get Joe Biden through the primary.
Because now all the delegates are beholden to Joe Biden. Means they're beholden to the Democratic Party donor class. Right. Yeah. So there isn't no 50% Bernie Sander delegates out there.
Right. They're not going to have any trouble getting them to all coalesce at the convention. And pick a new person. So they wanted to get Joe Biden to go through. And then, as soon as he got through the thing.
They're like, oh, let's have a debate. And then they knew he would look like this. So then they can have enough time to get rid of him. That seems pretty plausible. That that's what's going to happen.
And guess what's going to happen now? So they're going to have a person at the top of the ticket who nobody voted for. Because they're going to choose them at the convention. And nobody voted for this person. And they're saying democracy is on the ballot.
That's the irony.
Isn't that wild? Yeah. Well, not only that. But what did they do to keep RFK Jr. out of the primaries to the point where he had to go independent?
So, yeah, they were making it impossible for him to get on ballots. How did they do that? You know what? He told me, but I can't remember. But they were making it.
Well, when I remember the first time I had him on my show, it was like a joke. I'm like, dude, you're running as a Democrat. I go, why do you think they have superdelegates? They have superdelegates for people like you. It's not going to happen.
I can't get excited about your candidacy. And so anything he said, I just didn't get into it. I was appreciative of the stuff he was saying around COVID and things like that. But it was just a joke. I told him it's a fool's errand.
And he's like, I'm a Democrat. I've always been a Democrat. I'm a Democrat. And I'm like, yeah, the Democrats are going to screw you. And they did.
And so I don't know exactly how. But it got so untenable that he couldn't run inside. Because they would have these different rules that they were just making up just to screw him.
Do they do this once there's an incumbent? Once there's a president in place, do they do this? because there's so many jobs that are completely dependent upon that guy being in office? Not just the Democratic Party, but that guy. So if a new guy comes in, like if RFK Jr.
comes in, if he wins, then everyone's out of a job.
Oh, yeah. Well.
The whole machine's out of a job. So it's very clear watching Joe Biden talk, very clear, that he's not making all his decisions. And someone writes his stuff down. We've seen the cue cards that he has. They tell him what to say.
We see him read teleprompters and say, end of quote. He says things like that. He just did it again. He just did it again. He does it all the time.
So we know that there's no fucking way. he's the man behind the machine. So that means there's a bunch of people that work for him, that are essentially running the country. Right. And those people don't want to lose that position, including his wife.
His wife, apparently, by all takes. And she did an interview afterwards where she said he's smarter than he's ever been. Pure evil. I know him. I see him buying clothes.
She doesn't want him to stop.
Pure evil.
What is that?
That's just pure evil. I mean.
Do you think it's just like a power thing? She's in power. She doesn't want to not be the first lady anymore. Like, what is it?
Yeah. Of course. That's what I think it is. How could you not have compassion for your own frickin' husband? I mean, Jesus Christ.
I mean, he should have had his keys taken away years ago. Yeah. And here she is trying. And you did a good job. You answered all the questions.
That was crazy. That was crazy. That's how you talk to a three-year-old. He answered all the questions. I could see answering one or two.
But all of them.
If my wife talked to me like that, I would just start laughing. Because I'd think, oh, she's fucking with me. I wouldn't just stand there.
Yeah, but you would be sad.
Yes, I did. It's a wild video. Play that video. Play that video of Jill saying that to Joe. Because it's.
I saved it. And, by the way, I listened to the debate again on the plane. Why?
You didn't even fucking get the pertinent information from round one? You're like, I need to go over this with a fine-tooth comb.
Because they kept saying that. Oh, because the line now is that Joe might not have answered the questions quickly or loudly. But he was telling the truth. His first answer, he lied three times. Joe Biden.
He lied about Medicare. It's $2,000.. He said it was $200.. He lied about the diabetes. And he lied about Trump saying the bleach thing.
Trump never said the bleach thing. He was talking about ultraviolet irradiation, which is a real thing that actually works.
It actually works. And not only that, they've used it for decades.
Yeah, but.
And there was talk about using it for respiratory diseases and shining light into the lungs.
So I've talked to a doctor who told me that that worked well. And so the people, like the medical association, they came to him. They go, hey, you have to sell this technology to us. And he said, no. And they said, well, if you don't, we're going to have a bullshit study that says this doesn't work.
And that's exactly what they did.
Wow.
And they do that to everything.
Let's play this real quick.
You did such a great job. You answered every question. You knew all the facts.
Let me ask the crowd, what did Trump do?
Why?
Oh, bro, he looks so baffled. First of all, if I was in his corner, first thing I would have done is given him a hairpiece. Let's go, bro.
You can't compete with Trump's wacky hair. You need fake hair. You need fully fake hair. I think they'll buy it. Don't even sweat it.
We're going to glue a nice piece on you. You're going to have a distinguished head of hair. Second of all, whoever the fuck is giving you Botox, back off a little. Let the guy move the forehead a little bit. This is ridiculous.
You're not tricking me into thinking he's young. I know exactly how old he is.
Go to the, watch how she, oh, no, that's not it.
Oh, she helps him off the stage?
Yes, this is it. Watch it. She has to walk him down the steps. Are they going to show it? Show it.
Yeah, he's got some bad knees.
Show it. Old war injuries, bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He's defending the Girl Scouts from the Taliban. Look at this.
Yeah. Look at this.
I know. It's crazy. He has to go sideways.
And if you don't think that's the best version, fuck you, Joe. F, you. F you.
I love that guy because he's the tough guy Democrat.
But he's a Republican.
No, no, no. He's a Democrat. He's on TV. Oh, yeah.
MSNBC.
Whatever it is.
Yeah.
Well, that just goes to show you that there's no difference between the parties. And I remember when Donnie Deutsch accidentally let it slip out on Joe Scarborough's show.
Is Joe Scarborough actually a Republican?
He was a Republican congressman.
But does he consider himself one now?
I think so.
For real?
I mean.
Just like a never Trump Republican.
Never Trump Republican. Yeah. And Donnie Deutsch said that, I remember, if Bernie Sanders wins the, this was back in 2020, if Bernie Sanders wins, I'll have to vote for Trump. And Joe Scarborough's like, oh, don't even, do you hear what you're saying? And Donnie Deutsch's like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I don't know why I said that. I know why you said that. Because you fucking would. That's why. They scared of Bernie.
People who Bernie Sanders presents as being. Turns out. Bernie Sanders isn't that guy. Bernie Sanders is a lapdog to power.
But didn't he just seem to become that as of recently?
Yeah. I mean, I think he always was.
Do you think he's just tired?
When you go back in time and, you know, he didn't, he stopped talking to Ralph Nader. He stopped talking to Michael Parente. He was for the bombing of Kosovo. He's always been a little bitch for the military industrial complex. And it's disgusting.
And so, if you really look. Yeah, I got so excited about Bernie Sanders. Right. I mean, I've never been more excited about a politician in my life. And I've never been more let down by a politician in my life.
And they lied about the CARES Act. And he lied about putting. Oh, we had to do it, for the unemployment. Like that was just the largest. You know, that was the largest upward transfer of wealth in human history.
It was the CARES Act. And they, that's a, nobody talks about that.
Explain the CARES Act.
So that was when, right when COVID hit and they passed that $5 trillion bill. $5 trillion. Just out of nowhere. They didn't go, they didn't go tax people for it. They just fucking printed it.
$5 trillion. And that was considered the largest upward trade. So that's remember. And none of them, there was no money in there for, to pay people's salaries. Remember, like that's, what other countries did.
What did the $5 trillion go towards?
Went towards the thousand richest motherfuckers in the country, basically. That's what, you know, that's where you got the. If you had a business, you could apply for some kind of PPE loan and stuff like that.
A lot of people scam those loans.
A lot of people.
I've seen so many arrests of people that bought Lamborghinis and shit. You got one of those?
I was like, fuck, everybody else is getting one. I better get one. Wow. And I was like.
You pay your staff and everything like that?
Yeah. I told my wife, I go, I don't know. We don't know what's going to happen. So I said, hey, apply, see what happens. They gave it to us.
I was like, what? I couldn't fucking believe it.
So you have to pay it back? Is that what it is?
No.
It's just free money?
No. If you don't, if you don't lay off anybody, like for a certain amount of time, then you get to keep it. But if you did. What? Yes.
You just get free money? Yeah. Whoa.
Yes. That's crazy. It was $5 trillion. they gave out. Joe?
Yeah.
And they gave it out probably to companies that didn't lose profit.
I bet. Yeah. Right.
So if they didn't fire companies and it didn't stop operations.
I wonder if somebody should look into how much did Amazon get? Did they get money? Did they get that kind of money?
They're smart. They got paid. There's a dirty, corrupt system. They're a part of it. Let's go.
Let's party. I think we can bust this move out. Everybody's sick.
It's called the CARES Act. It's called the CARES Act. Like the Patriot Act. Well, aren't you a patriot?
And they say, yeah.
Are you a patriot, Jimmy?
You don't care about America?
Do you care about America or not?
Why do you hate freedom? I hate freedom. I hate freedom. Yeah.
Why do you hate freedom? You won't sign the Patriot Act.
It's called the Patriot Act. The most Nazi-like thing ever. The government can now spy on you.
That's the Patriot Act, too. Okay. You're thinking of the Patriot Act, too.
Okay. Electric boogaloo.
Or the National Defense Authorization Act. Oh, yeah. Those ones. They're passed through the...
In the 2011 NDAA, Section 1021, Barack Obama got rid of habeas corpus.
That's not important. What's really important is that we get these trillionaires all their money for COVID.
Got rid of habeas corpus, Joe. So, now... I mean, habeas corpus was in the Magna Carta. Mm-hmm. So, now we're operating on a liberty view from somewhere around the 1100s.
And that's.
. And people don't... Democracy's on the ballot. You fucking... Democracy hasn't been on the ballot for decades and decades.
You don't live in a democracy. You live in an oligarchy, which was proven by a Princeton study over 10 years ago. And when are you going to get pissed off about that? No, no. Because the TV guy says, no, no, it's Joe Biden's democracy and Trump isn't.
And don't you love all that shit about how, oh, he'll never leave office? I didn't know that was an option. I didn't know a president could just decide to... So, every president has left office just because they're good people? Just because they decided to?
Oh, he's going to be a dictator. I didn't know a president... I thought we had co-equal branches of government. How is this all shit? They just say this shit.
Yeah. And it's... None of it's true. None of it's true. And they all just make it up.
He was already president one time. He left office. That's the thing.
Yeah, we know.
We already lived through it.
Everybody's pretending that if he gets into office, he's going to be the horrible thing that they predicted that didn't take place when he was in office for four years. Why wouldn't he? What evidence are you basing this on? The evidence that when he was actually the president, and he was for four fucking years.
Right.
Like, you're.
. He did none of those things. He didn't prosecute his political rivals. He didn't go after Hillary Clinton. He didn't lock her up.
Even though she's a super criminal. He didn't do that. Remember the FBI, the Comey guy came out and he said, yeah, this is going to sound crazy in a couple of different ways, but yes, we found hundreds of high level documents, classified documents, on her server, but we're not going to prosecute her. I know this is going to sound weird.
Do you remember that? Yeah, I do.
Somebody made a hilarious video out of it. They put it to music.
It was weird at the beginning because a lot of people, myself included, saw him firing. Comey. I'm like, whoa, you're going to fire the head of the FBI because he doesn't like you. That's crazy. That's crazy.
Comey's a piece of shit.
Because of that, what I was going to say is because of that happening, it caused so many people to start going, what has the FBI done? What are they doing? And then you start reading stories and you start understanding the history of it. And you're like, oh, what?
What did they do? What have they been involved in? I know what...
Good things. A lot of good things. There's a few... With any kind of large organization, there's a lot of competitive people trying to rise to the top. You're going to get unscrupulous fellas.
Sociopaths. Sociopaths. Right to the top.
Yeah. And they're going to do some things. And if they're in high positions of power and they can manipulate everyone around them to go with it, that's what you get. You get in every human situation where people are in control.
You know what you get? You get January 6th. That's what you get. You get Russiagate. I know that the FBI lied to the FISA court 17 times so they could get a tap on Donald Trump's phones.
That happened. They lied to the FISA court 17 times. Nobody talks about that. Nobody pays a price for that. They did it to the goddamn...
You know, I'm sure you saw the video of when Chuck Schumer was on with Rachel Maddow. And he says, well, talking about Trump, that he's being really dumb to criticize the intelligence community, meaning the CIA and the FBI. And Rachel Maddow says, why? And he says, because they've got six ways this Sunday to mess with you back. So what he really was saying there, that that was the leading Democrat in the Senate, the leader of the party.
He was telling people into a camera that the president, that the CIA and FBI doesn't work for the president. That he has to worry about them. And if they don't work for the president, who the fuck do they work for, Joe? Right.
Exactly.
And of course, Rachel Maddow never asked that question. She's never going to do that, because, you know, she's a lapdog of the military industrial complex, Wall Street, Big Pharma, all of them. They're all the same.
It's a natural thing that takes place when any organization gets extreme power. And that was supposed to be mitigated. Right. And this is like the problem that Kennedy had with secret societies. This is the problem that Kennedy had with the CIA and what Kennedy had with the NSA.
When you ever get people that are above everything, like this concept of the deep state, you put your tinfoil hat on. when you just say the word deep state. Everybody who is not paying attention, people that are just reading mainstream news, you say deep state, they go, oh God, he's a QAnon guy. I gotta get out of here. The deep state's real.
A hundred percent.
It's real. It's the intelligence community.
And Chuck Schumer said they don't work for the president. Well, what? They don't. And they don't. They don't.
And so they, I mean, they would even brag about it when Trump first became president. They would go on, Comey and other people would go on interviews and they would say, you know, Mr. President, we're going to be here a lot. We were here before you. We're going to be here after you.
Yeah. So they don't give a shit about the president. I mean, they're just saying it out loud. They would say it out loud. And so, yeah, so people are conditioned.
But isn't that just what happens when you have competitive human beings locked into these organizations that have extreme power? It's just you, you're always going to have that with human beings. These are like human behavior patterns that they always follow. It's that.
Just like our country is ending the way all empires end. We overextend ourselves militarily, which brings me to, what is that you're smoking? It's a cigar. Oh, really?
When I don't want a full cigar, I smoke one of these little tiny Monte Cristos. Oh. Little baby cigars. You want a cigar? No.
I'll smoke a real one with you.
No, I did that once because I used to smoke cigarettes. And I'm like, oh, I guess everybody started smoking cigars. At one time. when I first moved to Los Angeles, I was like, oh, I could smoke cigars.
These are nice ones, because Ron White turned me on to these.
It woke up the beast and I started smoking cigarettes again. Oh, yeah. No good. So I can't do it. I even quit smoking pot recently.
I heard. Last September.
I heard.
You did?
Yeah. I watched that video. I thought it was really interesting.
It makes people sad when I say it on stage.
Oh, that's silly. That's silly.
People go, oh, it makes them upset. And I'm like, you know, it really woke me up to a lot of things. I don't know. I don't even. People go, why?
Why did you quit? I don't even know why I quit. Like, I feel like it was, I think it came from a higher power.
Yeah. I know you were saying that too. I'm going to get a cigar. While we're talking.
You're going to get a real cigar? A real cigar. Oh, okay. What made you go from the, I want a little one to a big one just now?
We're going to talk about something serious.
Oh, okay. I like it. God damn it, it smells. Well, the thing that, why I stopped is because it smells so fucking good.
Yeah, but I see where your point is, though. And I see what you're saying. And there's a thing that can happen with marijuana or with anything that alters your state of consciousness. Including coffee, cigarettes, alcohol, everything. Is.
you're using that to sort of cope and exist. And you're not, you're not really being present. You're always being present under the influence of these things. And I've been guilty of that myself. You know, just sometimes you just want to catch a buzz.
Just don't want to be here. I just want to have a couple of whiskeys. I don't want to be here. I want to be here, but just be, ah. You know, it's like sometimes the world's overwhelming.
And I think you miss a lot if you live in that state. You miss a lot. Like one of the things that happens with people that have drug problems when they're young is they don't really mature properly. Because they spent, you know, 15,, 16, 17 doing meth, doing coke, partying. Oh, yeah.
And then, by the time they get clean and sober, like they're grown up babies.
Yes, that's, well, they say that. They say that when your addiction starts, you stop. You get locked into that level of maturity that you're at. Yes. Until your addiction ends.
Yes. And then you start growing, but now you're growing in a confused state. And you've also got this anxiety that's sometimes crippling, because you wasted a giant chunk of your life and not made any progress. And here you are, a beginner at 35 years old. And you're out here in the world trying to, like, get a regular job at 35.
And nobody wants to hire you, because you've been in 15 rehabilitation centers. And you, you know, got locked up for stealing hubcaps and catalytic converters or whatever. It's like. the thing that it does to you is it separates you from normal reality. And that could be a positive or a negative.
If you have discipline and control and you're present and you really spend a lot of time thinking alone by yourself and meditating, you can use things to alter your state of consciousness, to achieve new thoughts. You tap into new ideas.
Pot helped me a lot. comedically. It helped me.
It's comedy steroids.
Yeah, it was a big, it was a big deal for me. It took me from being, I was a very narrow and rigid comedian. And then it opened me up and it made me a much better. comedian is all I can say. And it worked for a long time.
And it didn't, like, take away my discipline. Like, I still had lots of discipline comedically. And then doing my, when I started my podcast in 2008 or 9.. And then my radio show. And then, so it never, I was always.
You're OG. 2008 or 9?.
Yeah.
You're up there with me. then. We were like at the same time.
Yep. I started with Todd Glass. I started a show called Comedy and Everything Else. And we would interview comedians. And then I did like 152 episodes of that.
And I just got tired of it. And then I started doing the Jimmy Dore show because I got a radio show on KPFK in Los Angeles, which is a public radio show. So it was all politics and comedy, you know. And so I just shifted over to that. And it was a pretty popular podcast.
It still is. I mean, it would get like 50,000 to 60,000 downloads per episode. But it never sold tickets. It's the weirdest thing. And when I went on YouTube, that was immediately.
I started selling tickets. Immediately. And that's, as you know, that changes your whole life.
Yeah, the YouTube thing, that's a different world. Everybody has it. It's on every phone. It's on everybody. If you have Apple TV, people.
I watch YouTube more than I watch Netflix.
Oh, no doubt. Oh, no doubt.
Yeah, because if I watch Netflix, it's like I want to watch Peaky Blinders. I sit down and watch it. But YouTube is like, let me just fuck around and see what's going on in the world of ancient archaeology. Let me watch a professional pool match. Let me see this new muscle car build.
I get lost for hours. If I want to zone out, if I'm exhausted, and I just want to zone out, I've did everything that I have to do. I just want to just chill. YouTube. I go right to YouTube.
So, hey, Jimmy Dore, what's he talking about? Oh, I didn't know that. And then I'm watching you yell at Cornel West or some other fucking person. And I'm like, this is amazing. Jimmy's a mad dog.
I love how mad. I love having Kurt on the show because he gets upset. And then I get to be amused by it instead of me getting upset.
Yes. Oh, it's a perfect balance.
Kurt's sitting there going, everything's a fucking psyop.
Everything. Your whole life.
Everything in the world, okay? Everything. That's like at the two and a half hour mark of the show. Everything. Every fucking thing.
Everything. And it gives me joy.
So you were saying, before I interrupted you, that you think that it was a higher calling, that quitting pot.
So I started, when COVID happened, I started getting into Carl Jung and my unconscious and analyzing my dreams. And then I realized that there is what Carl Jung calls God is a transpersonal self. And that he's the one who kind of figured out we have a collective unconscious. So there only is one conscious. I mean, you've done DMT and all that shit.
So you get all that. But he was able to give himself like a mushroom trip when he was conscious, without taking mushrooms. And he would call it active imagination. So he could go into his unconscious and confront all these things, archetypes, and God that lives in your unconscious. And he had to have a person that was there to make sure he didn't go crazy.
And so he did this for like four years, from like 1913 to 1917. And he wrote it down in a thing called the Red Book, which he would not allow to be published for 50 years after he died. Because he knew if people read it, it would discredit his work in psychology. Because it sounds crazy, all the shit. It's like he had mushroom trips and he would write it down, right?
But it was real. And so what he did, so during those four years, he then spent the rest of his life, trying to explain to people what he had learned in those four years in ways that they could understand it. And so that's what the rest of his life was about. And I remember they asked him, do you believe in God? He says, I don't believe in God, I know.
And I was like, that's badass when you can say shit like that. And so, anyway, I started to get into this. And so he figured out that we have a collective unconscious, because he would see these symbols in his dreams. And he knew that they were meaningful, but he didn't know what they meant. And then he started to study alchemy, which alchemy isn't what you think it is.
Alchemy was about turning a psychological lead into psychological gold. And they were onto a lot of shit. And they had to keep it secret because of the church, I guess. And so they had to speak in code, kind of. And so he started to read alchemy and he started to see these symbols that were in his dreams, that they had written about and they had already figured out what it meant.
And he was like, well, how the fuck could I have a dream about something I didn't know? I never read this book before. I don't know what, how it is. And that's how he started to figure that out. And so that shit has happened to me.
I'll see symbols in my dreams. This happened. So I was, this is going to sound crazy. So I'm in the jungle, in a clearing. And this creature comes over to me.
It looks like a big ape. His body is like a big gorilla. But his head is like half of a lion, half human. And I'm like, what the fuck? And he puts his hand out.
But I put my hand in his hand and he took my hand gently and he walked me into the jungle. And I was like, what the? So I told this to my, I have an analyst who, Jungian analyst who helps me decipher what my dreams mean. And he said, you know, that's an archetypal God. And that, that was them telling you it's time for you to go into the jungle of your unconscious, but you'll be safe if you long.
And I was like, oh, so. then, like a month later, I'm reading this book.
And there's that fucking thing. The ape with the lion. I'm like, there's a public, what? That's the thing I saw in my dream. Like, how did that show up in my dream before I ever saw it, before?
I knew I had the, so I'm having the exact same.
Is there a drawing of this in Jung's book? Or is it just description in Jung's book?
It's called a Mithraic God. That's what, that's what I, I come to know. I was like, that's the fucking thing that was in my dream. So there's also another thing called the old man. So Carl Jung talks about this a lot.
Like he would meet the old man in his dream, which was like a transpersonal self of God. Yeah. Like that.
Wow.
Yeah.
So that's an archetypal character.
Yeah. And I'm like, how the fuck did that?
You had no idea. And that thing showed up in your dream.
I've never seen it. Yeah.
Wow. So that's depicted all throughout history. It looks like.
I had no idea.
So. How bizarre. How bizarre.
I had this big decision to make in my life. And, um, it was, so what, what Carl Jung says is that you're unconscious. Your transpersonal self will create a scenario for you where there's no way out. There's no, no matter which way you go, you lose. So I was in one of those and I had a dream.
and, um, I'm standing in line at a Starbucks, at a, at an airport, and this guy taps me and I, and I see a shortcut. So whenever there's a shortcut, I know I'm going to get, I'm going to, cause it's a long line. And so I figured out I can go over here and I can sneak and get in and get my coffee first, you know? And so I'm, I'm like doing that. And all of a sudden this taps and it's the old man with the gray hair that Carl Jung had talked about.
I didn't know it at the time. And I just thought this, and this old man, he didn't say anything to me. It's like, he just grabs my hand and he points to the end of the long line and I go, fuck you old man. Get away from me. What the fuck do you know?
And, uh, yeah, well now I, so I eventually did take the long line in my, in my, not in the dream, but in my life. And as soon as I did every, so, Carl Jung has another saying, he says, you, the biggest problems in your life can never be solved. They can only be outgrown. And so I grew that. I was like, Oh, so it, it happened.
Like it. And so I've had these experiences.
So, but, but, but you didn't finish that thought. Like what was wrong with the back of the line? Like, what did you realize by going to the back of the line?
Uh, it's like, I don't want, it's, it's a little personal. So like about the situation in my waking life. Um, but I just knew that I, I, what I had to do. then. Right.
Once I realized that that, Oh, the old man, that was my transpersonal self, telling me you got to do this. And, um, and so it, it, um, I had a, I had an awakening. I outgrew this problem because it, you know, it was like, they, you know, uh, my, my, my Jungian analyst analyst, it refers to it. as, you know, you're, you're on a crucifix right now. And the only thing you can do is hold, maintain, don't make a decision.
Don't do one thing or the other. Just hold. And then something will appear. And that, that, that's what appeared. It was in my dream.
It coincided with the synchronicity and me reading a book about what I was supposed to do. I'm like, Holy fuck.
What do you think dreams are?
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