building a healthy social life [video]

2023-08-20 00:34:50

emma prefers to share her thoughts with a microphone rather than a physical human being, so thank god she has a podcast. recorded from the comfort of her bed...and some other fun places, emma talks at length about whatever is on her mind every week. anything really does go on this podcast. sometimes philosophy, sometimes a random story from 10 years ago, sometimes advice, sometimes fun interviews, and sometimes nothing at all. you never know what you are going to get, but that’s what keeps it interesting. new episodes every thursday and sunday, video available only on spotify.

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For the last few months, I've sort of been on a journey. Now that's not saying much because I'm always on some sort of journey. I'm just the type of person that's always on some sort of emotional journey.

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Sometimes it's painful, sometimes it's excruciating, sometimes it's debilitating, and sometimes it's really fun. And I'll say, for the most part, my.

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Uncomfortable, and a part of me wonders if it's.

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Subconsciously, like, self-inflicted. So that I have things to talk about on this podcast, like, do I force myself on emotional journeys to have more to talk about? I don't think so, I don't think so. I think it's just the type of person I am.

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I'm always on some sort of emotional journey. The particular emotional journey I've been on recently has been really fun. What a blessing to go on a fun emotional journey. Wow, what a treat. My particular journey, as of recent, has been rebuilding my social life.

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Now that sounds kind of sad because it insinuates that I didn't have a social life before. But hold on before you feel bad for me, which you shouldn't. Okay, now this feels weird, but listen before you sort of make a face at home, like, Oh, that's kind of unfortunate. She's rebuilding her social life. What happened to it before? Before you start feeling bad? For me and judging me, this is a self-inflicted situation. Okay, I didn't have a social life for a really long time because I didn't want one.

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And if you're a consistent listener to anything goes, you know this about me. For the past few years, all I've talked about is the importance of independence. And the reason why that's been a consistent topic is because that was the emotional journey I was on for the past few years. For the last few years, I had been focused on independence. Because that is what I was craving, that is what I knew I needed in order to make my life better.

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When I was a young teenager, I was very dependent in my relationships. I had a lot of codependent relationships. And I really relied on my friends and significant others. In a way that was out of balance.

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I relied on them too much to distract me from my problems, to give me foundation in my life, etc. and it caused me a lot of distress over time. Because, number one, I'd find myself in relationships that were not healthy and I was just staying in them so that I wouldn't have to be alone. I also was so afraid of damaging any relationships that I was constantly saying yes to everything. I was a yes-man. I was too afraid of conflict because I was too afraid of losing relationships.

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So I was sort of inconveniencing myself for the sake of relationships and that got in the way of many things in my life. So I got to a point where I was like, Okay, I need to step back and develop a sense of independence and re-evaluate all of my current relationships. Because it was clear to me that.

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I had to get to a place where I was comfortable enough being alone, that I didn't ever feel the need to be in a relationship that wasn't healthy or positive. I needed to get to a place with myself that would allow me to have high-quality friendships and that took a lot of alone time. There was a lot that I had to figure out. Why am I so codependent in relationships? why do I tend to attract people who are not the best friends for me personally?

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Why do I feel like I need to be a yes-man? why am I struggling with my independence, etc. etc. There was so much I had to figure out, and quite honestly, it took me a few years to figure it all out.

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Now, during my independence journey, I still did have friends, I did, but I didn't have any deep friendships. Majority of my friendships were very surface level. And I still went out every once in a while, maybe to a party. But it was not frequent at all, it was not frequent at all, and.

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Romantically, I was in a relationship. I am in a relationship, but with a very independent person who did not enable me and does not enable me to be codependent. That's out of the question. It's not even possible with this person. So I kind of had a good situation during that period of my life. Because I was in a romantic relationship that could not be less codependent and couldn't possibly be codependent.

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So there was no enabling there. So I was able to be in a romantic relationship while going through this period, but my friendships?

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Were very surface level at the time because I didn't have it in me. To, you know, work on myself while simultaneously trying to find new friendships that worked for me. I sort of had to work on myself first before I could go and rebuild old friendships and build new ones, right? But I am at a point now.

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Where I'm independent.

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I'm definitely independent, and I've been independent for a while now, but it's sort of ingrained into my being now. At this point, you know, I can be alone for a week, two weeks and be completely fine. I don't need to be in constant contact with friends or even my significant other in order to feel fulfilled in life. You know, that's not where my fulfillment comes from, and that's just where I'm at now.

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I've arrived at this point, but what was interesting was I found that this point of independence weirdly made me crave friendship. All of a sudden. After years of not really needing friendship, not really prioritizing friendship, really focusing on myself, my subconscious knew immediately, when I had arrived at a good place, that it was time to make friends again like it was.

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Like, my subconscious told me, Okay, it's time, it's time for you to go back out into the world. You've done it, you've figured it out, and now you need to go back out in the world. And you need to put effort in to your social life again, because it's just time. I got to a point where being alone as much as I was was not recharging me anymore.

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It was not helping me grow anymore, it was just making me sad, and that wasn't necessarily the case before. You know, there would be nights here and there where I'd be like, dang. It kind of would be fun if I had like a big group of friends and we could go out tonight. But it wasn't frequent enough to be an issue. But for the most part, I really just didn't want a bustling social life.

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It just wasn't something I was interested in. Now all of a sudden, it's come back onto my list of priorities. And.

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It has been really fun for me and good and I feel like.

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Now, at this new place in my life, I'm able to rebuild my social life in a way that truly feels good for me and feels somewhat fulfilling for me. And it's been really interesting and exciting to watch it sort of rebuild now. I'm also at an interesting place in my life because I'm 22 years old, right? But I never went to college now. Not going to college definitely impacted my social life in my later teen years, in my early 20s. Because a lot of the social infrastructure that would have been there for me if I had went, was not there. Because I skipped that step and went straight to being an adult living alone in Los Angeles with no social infrastructure.

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Well, there is a social infrastructure, but it's much more complicated when you're in college, you sort of have this built-in social infrastructure. You have kids that you see in your class, you have parties that are on campus, or in the dorms, or in the I don't know.

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I didn't go. I don't know what happens at college, but there's frat parties, there's, you know, college towns where everyone hangs out. There's so many opportunities for friendship and nightlife and all of these things. And I just didn't have access to that. It went straight to adult mode for me at 17..

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A lot of the social activities in Los Angeles weren't laid out for me, you know, like I didn't know anyone throwing fun parties and that was kind of my only opportunity for nightlife. You know, you have to be 21 to go into a bar or club legally. So that whole situation is complicated and not appealing because it involves breaking the law to get in. So not my idea of fun.

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And when it came to making friends, it's just much more difficult. Because I worked from home, alone every day. I didn't even know where to meet people other than my peers that were in the same industry as me, right? So not going to college definitely made my.

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Early adult social life complicated to begin with. I think that my sort of situation in life, my circumstances in life have made being social for me a little bit more challenging. In the sense that it's not right in front of me. Like, when you're in college, you have to take extra steps in order to be social in this sort of adult world, if you will. And that makes it harder in general, right? It makes it more time-consuming.

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It makes it more troublesome overall. When I was a teenager living in L.A. that was really disappointing for me. And I think that's maybe what created the codependency in a lot of my friendships and relationships. Because I feared that I maybe wouldn't be able to find anyone else because it was so challenging in L.A. But then when I was going through my phase of independence, it was really easy. Because not being in college made it easy to sort of step back from my social life. Because it's not like I have to see my friends every day in class or walk past parties every night. On the way back to my dorm, you know, it was easy to sort of step back and take my time for myself with no distractions.

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But all of that to say. I've sort of been building up my social life from scratch. Because I never really had a super bustling social life anyway. I never really had a huge group of friends, I never really had endless invites to parties. Prior to my period of alone time, I was not really very social either.

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I was, you know, I was more than I was during my alone time. But it was like, not. It wasn't bustling, you know what? I mean? It wasn't super fulfilling and exciting. It was almost sort of desperate in a way.

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Like my, my social choices were more desperate for social interaction, they weren't based on compatibility with others, shared interests with others, genuine, healthy connection. So now we're rebuilding. The way that I approach friendship now is so different than ever before, and I think it's because I don't feel like I need anyone.

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I don't feel like I need anyone, but I want to be around people, I want to have friends, but I don't need friends. And I know that. So it allows me to choose who I hang out with based on genuine intentions and genuine connection.

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I hang out with people now, I build friendships with people now who are fun to be around, who care about me, who create healthy boundaries in unison with me, who are just genuinely good people. Because I have the mental space at this point to sort of pick and choose who's a good match for me. And I don't feel the pressure to build a friendship with somebody who I deep down know maybe isn't great for me. Because I have nothing to lose now, because I'm not afraid of being alone. And it's such a relief to approach friendships in this way. Because instead of being fearful that I'll get caught up in a friendship that ends up being shitty for me and ends up making me feel trapped. I feel like I have full control over my friendships.

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Now I'm not afraid to say no, I'm not afraid to back away from something that's not working. And so I'm not afraid of getting caught up in a bad friendship or a bad relationship. Whereas before, I used to be such a yes-man, out of fear of creating some sort of conflict, and.

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So I'd end up getting stuck in these friendships that I really didn't want to be in. But I kind of felt like I had to be in because I was too afraid of being alone. And this sort of explains what drove me to needing that phase of independence to begin with. I think I was so exhausted by all the shitty relationships that I had. I got to a point where I was like, I can't keep building these shitty friendships just because I don't know how to reject someone.

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I don't know how to put my foot down and back away, you know? And so I got to a point where I was like, I need to figure out how to be alone so that I have the strength to not.

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Due to desperate measures.

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Desperate measures to not be alone, and desperate measures to people please and not cause any conflict. And it's just so funny. Because now I have all of this mental energy to dedicate to positive relationships because I'm not wasting all my energy entertaining relationships that weren't working for me. And now I have all this energy to build up the relationships that are working and to look around for new ones, you know, and it's so exciting. I've also sort of figured out what my boundaries need to be in relationships, you know?

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I still need a lot of alone time, I still need to get my work done, I still need to prioritize my schedule. And those were all things that I would neglect in relationships, my own life structure. I would neglect that.

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And the friendship was number one priority. And now I'm at a place where I feel comfortable, setting boundaries that allow me to get the best of both worlds. You know, I get my time alone, I get my time to work and get stuff done, and then I dedicate the weekends really to being social.

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Hanging out with friends?

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To parties, going out to bars, doing all that. You know, I save that for the weekends, and I work all week, and then I go and I have my weekend. Instead of, you know, saying yes to every invite I get from friends, you know, I'm at a place now where I'm like, Listen, on the weekends, let's do it all.

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Let's do it all, let's go to lunch, let's go shopping, let's go to the club. I don't care.

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That's how I sort of structure my week and my schedule in a way that allows me to get everything done that I need to get done. But also have time for my social life and my friends totally get that, don't care, understand it. They're like, Great us too. Okay, great, you know what I mean.

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The people that I'm surrounding myself with now, without even thinking twice, just respect that boundary, you know, I need.

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You know, like that's what my boundaries look like, looks different for everyone. And I'm comfortable setting those. I have no fear in setting those. Because I'm not afraid of my friends saying, you don't want to hang out with me every day, fuck you.

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Then we're never talking again. I'm not afraid of that because if that happens, then that's not a good friend. And I don't want them in my life anyway, but now I'm not afraid of that. Now, let's really zoom in to the nightlife sort of portion of all of this, because there are so many social categories, right? You have your romantic relationships, you have your friends that you do activities with. You have your friends that you go out at night with. You have your friends at work, etc. Etc.

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There's so many categories, but we need to specifically talk about nightlife with friends. Because this is something that I've never really participated in too heavily. It's never been like a weekend thing, like, okay, on the weekends we go out until now, and now it is a thing and I'm loving it.

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Sorry, I am loving it.

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Prior to now, there were a lot of things holding me back from, really.

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Enjoying nightlife? Number one I was. I turned 21 last year, and that's the legal drinking age in the United States, right? So a lot of the sort of environments like bars, clubs, etc. weren't for me. I also hated every party I went to because I wasn't hanging out with the right people, I wasn't going to the right parties.

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Because it wasn't people that, you know, maybe I clicked with very well. I also didn't always have friends to go with, I didn't always have people to go with to these sort of events. I also sort of felt like going out at night was like a waste of time.

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I was like, this is such a waste of time, so much better to just go to bed early, wake up, feel refreshed, like I always just thought it was a waste of time. I never really got anything out of it until recently.

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I figured out that nightlife is really what you make of it and you have to cater the experience to you as an individual. And that is what I've been doing. As I've been rebuilding my social life, I've been rethinking the way I do nightlife, and it's changed it for me. Now, I'm loving it.

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First, you have to find friends that make it fun, having friends that make anything fun, make anything fun, you know, like, with my friends. I feel like we could go to an abandoned shopping mall in the middle of nowhere and somehow make it fun. You know, actually, that kind of sounds fun anyway.

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That actually sounds fun, it sounds dangerous, but it does sound kind of fun. But you get my point, okay? Finding a friend group that is able to have fun no matter where you all are is the first step to truly enjoying nightlife. If you're not somebody who enjoys it naturally, like me, because no matter how the evening turns out, you're gonna have a good time.

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Even if the bar is empty that night, even if the club is not a vibe that night, even if the party that you go to is shitty. If you're with a good group of people, you can't go wrong. And that's the first thing I've learned. The second thing I've learned is you can't go in with any expectation. I used to go in to parties, clubs, bars at night with so much expectation. Like when I was single, years and years ago, anytime I'd go out at night, I'd be like, Tonight I'm meeting my next boyfriend.

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And when I wouldn't find that, I would be like, Well, that was a failure, and I'd be bummed out and pissed. Or I'd go out. Expecting the party to be like, Project X, the movie, okay, where it's like everyone's dancing and laughing and smiling, and it's packed and there's so many people and it's so fun. The truth is, you're not gonna that, just parties aren't really that fun for the most part, they're just not.

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I still stand by that belief, but what's changed for me is that I don't expect it to be fun. It's just something to do with your friends that's entertaining. You know, every once in a while you might go to a party that's really fun.

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Sure, but for the most part, no. It's not that fun, you know, it's not that fun, but it's about doing something with your friends that's entertaining and it's late at night.

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So it's kind of an adventure, you know, going in with no expectations. It makes it so much more enjoyable, so good people and no expectations. You're already doing great, you know? Obviously nightlife goes hand in hand with drinking, drugs, etc. etc. Now I don't do drugs.

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So that's kind of out of the question for me. If you don't believe me, actually, you know what some people really think. I'm a drug addict because I have, you know, dark circles under my eyes. I get comments all the time like she's definitely on drugs.

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She is definitely on drugs, which is rude, but it's fine because I'm not on drugs, not even marijuana. Okay, so don't try me, like, don't fucking try me with that.

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Okay, my dark circles are genetic. I sleep eight hours a night, they're still there. I sleep 10 hours a night.

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They're still there. I'm not on drugs, not that we should judge people who are on drugs because we shouldn't. I don't think we should judge those people. That's not what I'm saying.

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But people taking my appearance and saying, Well, she's on drugs because of that, that's rude, so anyway.

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It's okay, though I don't take it personally.

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Wow, that was a tangent, sorry. What I was trying to say was I don't participate in any drugs at this point. That's sort of out of the question for me personally. But I do drink alcohol, so occasionally I go through phases because I have kind of a tough time with alcohol. Just as an anxious person, as a depressed person.

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By nature, alcohol doesn't react very well with me, right? It can make me feel really depressed, really anxious the next day and that sucks. That's hard for me, so for me personally, I don't really drink.

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When I go out, I'm pretty much sober, I've been actually dding designated driver-ing, okay for my friends and I, where, you know, I don't drink. I'm sober the whole night and I just drive everyone around and I've been loving it.

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Sometimes I'll, you know, decide I want to have a glass of wine at dinner, in which case, you know, we'll uber around and stuff. But for the most part, I've been really enjoying just being the designated driver and.

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You know, that's really intimidating, I think, because obviously alcohol really helps with breaking down the nervous wall that can come up in social situations where there's unfamiliar faces. Right? I've been really working on getting to a place where I can go out at night and not drink and be just as social as I was if I drank. And it's going great.

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Sometimes I felt myself really tense, really uncomfortable, really nervous, but I just kept pushing through it and eventually it just became my new normal. And that's just really worked for me recently. Now I'm not saying that I'll never have an evening where I totally go off and get a little drunky ever again. Because maybe that will be appealing to me at some point, and I'm not opposed to it, you know, when it comes to going out every weekend, whether it's going to parties, or going to a bar, or going out to dinner late with friends, it just makes me feel happiest and most fulfilled.

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When I don't drink, you know, I wake up the next morning tired because I was up late. But I'm not anxious, I'm not depressed, I'm not hungover, I'm just happy, you know, and it's just what works for me.

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So again, it's all about catering the experience to you, what makes it work for you. And I think we feel a lot of pressure to be social in certain ways, right? Oh, you have to drink when you go out, oh, you have to hang out with your friends every day, or you have to do this or do that.

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Like, we all have our own ideas of what healthy social interaction looks like, based on what we've absorbed over years of experience. What our peers are pressuring us to do, etc. But you have to mold it to fit you, you know? And that's what I've done. I'm not trying to go to the hottest, coolest party or hottest coolest bar every weekend, I'm just trying to go meet new people. Laugh, giggle, maybe have a borderline boring time in some respects, but to be with good people that I love and to make the most of the experience. I'm not trying to go out and be the drunkest one at the bar.

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What makes me feel the best is being completely sober, you know, that's what makes nightlife fulfilling for me, and so that's how I'm doing it. And it might not look the coolest, it might not sound the coolest, but it's working for me and I love it. And there it is.

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I'm at a place now where my social life is helping me recharge. Giving myself a full weekend of fun every weekend has really helped me recharge. In between, you know, the work week, like, it's just helped me a lot. And it's something I didn't give any attention to until recently, and it's just.

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It's been so helpful for me. I took a personality quiz once and it said that I'm introverted and extroverted. Introverted means that it drains your energy to be social. Extroverted means being social gives you energy, right? According to a somewhat reputable personality test I took online, one of the most popular ones, it said. I'm a mixture of both, and I would say that that's really true.

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For the past few years, I've been extroverted, you know, and that's what worked for me. Being alone gave me energy. Now I'm at a place where I'm more extroverted. Being social gives me energy. And you have to honor what your brain and body is telling you. You know, we can sort of convince ourselves that we're introverts. We need to be alone all the time, or we're extroverts. We need to be social all the time. When the truth is, we're all both.

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We're all introverted sometimes and extroverted other times, and you just have to honor whatever you're feeling that day. You might wake up one day and feel introverted. Great honor that.

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You might wake up one day and feel extroverted. Great honor that it's all about following your instinct, and it's going to change sometimes.

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It's going to evolve sometimes, and that's okay. There's no right or wrong way to be social. You just simply have to cater to what you're feeling in the moment. And you have to figure out what's going to allow you to recharge, grow and feel fulfilled. That's it, and it may change on a monthly basis, on a yearly basis, on a daily basis, but there's no right or wrong way to be social.

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It's so incredibly personal to every person, and it's so important to give yourself the space to figure that out. Without the noise of what other people want to do and what society wants you to do, etc. What do you want to do? Figure it out. My final point for today is there's nothing wrong with having your social life in the top of your priorities, right? I think society as a whole tends to prioritize work and productivity over life, well-being, etc.

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And it's okay to go through phases where your priority is work and career, but it's also okay to go through phases where your priority is being a little bit more social. I mean, the goal is to do everything responsibly, right, to work responsibly, to be social responsibly. But there's sometimes a negative stigma around prioritizing your social life. And I know I've felt that in my life, you know, feeling like I don't deserve to be social if I haven't gotten my work done, etc. And you know, there's definitely. There's definitely a fine line between being negligent, right? and not doing what you got to do and being social instead. Versus being burnt out and exhausted and thinking, you know, what would really help me?

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Hanging out with my friends right now, there's a fine line, it gets complicated, but.

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Leaning into your social life and putting it at the top of your priorities. My top priorities used to be, you know, getting my work done and having alone time, and now my priorities are getting my work done and being social. Does that mean maybe my alone time is getting less attention? Yeah, of course, but I don't need it as much right now, so it's fine.

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It's working just fine for me. Your priorities are going to shift in life, your desires are going to shift in life, the things that work for you are going to constantly change. And that's okay, and you just got to go with the flow.

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All right, well, that's all I have for today. That's all I have to say for today. I hope you enjoyed hearing about my social life, realizing now that I just kind of talked about me the whole time. But hopefully there was something of value in there. I really appreciate all of you for hanging out as always.

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It's always such a pleasure and if you enjoyed it, you can tune in every Thursday and Sunday for a new episode. Follow AnythingGoes on Instagram at AnythingGoes. Check out my Instagram at Emma Chamberlain. To see like, what clothes I'm wearing, or to check in on my dark circles under my eyes. They're usually there in the photo. Check out my coffee company, Chamberlain Coffee.

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I hope it's totally a gorgeous day and if today wasn't gorgeous, I hope that tomorrow is gorgeous. And just know that you're gorgeous. Okay, remember that I love and appreciate all of you. Talk to you later.

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