Hitler’s Olympics, Part 1: The Blue-Eyed Tornado

2024-06-27 00:37:19

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I think that Hitler is appreciably nearer shooting us, and therefore I think we're appreciably

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nearer replying.

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It's the beginning of the Second World War, just before the United States joins the fight.

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A journalist named Dorothy Thompson is speaking to a British television crew.

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She's standing behind a dark wood table, wearing a nipped-way suit and blouse, one

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hand perched in her pocket.

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Perfect posture.

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Shoulder-length hair with a strand of premature white.

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You can see her thinking while she's talking.

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We're very much interested in the Far East.

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We're interested in the Pacific and we're interested in the Atlantic.

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Thompson was a foreign correspondent in the 1920s.

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Vienna, Berlin, Dublin, Paris.

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This is the heyday of newspapers.

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Every paper of consequence across the Western world had someone in Europe.

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And they all knew each other.

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Drank together.

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Descended on war zones together.

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And Dorothy Thompson was the star.

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And as this war becomes more and more, becomes more and more clear that this war is going

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to be a world war, we come nearer to being actively involved.

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Because these were different times, there was always discussion of Thompson's physical

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beauty, the flawless skin, her radiance.

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One of her nicknames was the Blue-Eyed Tornado.

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She was brilliant, indefatigable, unshakably self-assured.

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And that voice.

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But after all, the ideological basis of this war was very well set by Mr. Neville Chamberlain

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at the very beginning of it, when he said, if I remember correctly, if I should think

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that one man and one nation should wish to dominate the world, I should think he ought

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to be stopped.

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That's the way America feels about it, too.

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Remember that voice.

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Over the course of the next eight episodes, you're going to hear the voices of a lot of

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people from that same era, the long years before the Second World War, some more powerful

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than Dorothy Thompson, more self-important, more strident, but none who saw the world

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so clearly.

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Dorothy Thompson is our North Star.

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One of my strongest childhood memories was the 1976 Olympics in Montreal, my homeland's

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first Olympic Games.

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I was a kid.

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My family didn't have a television, but we rented one just for the occasion.

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Two rabbit ears on top of a grainy black-and-white set.

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We put the TV in the fireplace, because there was no other place for it.

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And I watched everything.

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The Romanian Nadia Comaneci bewitching the world in gymnastics.

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My running hero John Walker powering away around the final curve to win the men's 1500

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meters.

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I still get nervous thinking about that race.

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Lassi Verin's improbable double in the 5000 meters and the 10,000 meters.

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Alberto Wanterina, Cornelia Ender, Don Quarry, and the women's 4x100 freestyle relay.

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Maybe the greatest swimming race ever.

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I was a little kid and I fell in love with the Olympics.

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And I've been in love ever since.

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This summer in Paris, I will be glued to my television again.

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And this thing that I love, and that so many millions of people around the world love,

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would not exist if the Olympics had not been held in 1936 in Adolf Hitler's Germany.

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The modern Olympics started in 1896.

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And if you'd gone to any of those early games, you'd think you were at some kind of sideshow.

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They never really took off.

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46 countries showed up for the 1928 games.

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37 showed up for the next games.

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Only one country applied to host the 1932 games.

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No one else wanted it.

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The Olympic dream was fading.

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But then came Berlin.

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It was the Nazis who gave us the Olympics we have today.

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They were really, really good at putting on a big show.

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Berlin was the first Olympics to be televised.

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The first to have a torch relay at the opening ceremony.

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The first to create a genuine international star, Jesse Owens.

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The first to understand that the games were a spectacle.

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At first, Hitler himself was opposed to the Olympics.

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It didn't interest him, it was an international event, people from all over.

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But Joseph Goebbels said, no, we can use this.

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This will be good propaganda for us.

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And so they began promoting the Olympics.

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Hitler used the games to demonstrate his theories of Aryan supremacy.

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To rally the German people.

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To give legitimacy to the band of thugs he had gathered about him.

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To make the case that Germany was a true world power.

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And the United States went along with all of it.

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Why? That's the story of Hitler's Olympics.

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I'm Malcolm Gladwell. You're listening to Revisionist History.

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My podcast about things overlooked and misunderstood.

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Welcome to Hitler's Olympics.

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The story of how we ended up with the Nazi Olympics.

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Over the next eight weeks, my colleague Ben-Nadav Haffrey and I

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will tell the story of the games behind the greatest of all Olympic games.

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Not who won what.

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Not what stirring come-from-behind burst of effort led to an improbable victory.

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Instead, I want to talk about the furious machinations leading up to the Olympics.

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And the genuinely difficult moral questions that surrounded the Berlin Games.

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Questions that I think we're still trying to make sense of.

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And along the way, we're going to introduce you to an odd cast of characters.

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People who tried and largely failed to resolve those questions.

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Heroes and villains.

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The clear-eyed and the deluded.

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The forgotten and the misunderstood.

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But we have to begin with the person who may have seen the problem of 1936 more clearly than anyone else.

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Dorothy Thompson.

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Thompson was born in western New York in 1893, just outside of Buffalo.

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Her mother died when she was seven.

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Her father was a Methodist minister, but a bad one, who drifted from church to church.

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Her childhood was hand-to-mouth.

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She hated her stepmother.

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Somehow, she ended up at Syracuse University at a time when not a lot of women were going to college.

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After graduation, she threw herself into the women's suffrage movement,

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the great social cause of progressives of that generation.

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She was a committed, passionate advocate of women getting the vote.

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And when they got the vote in 1920, soon afterwards, she wanted to pursue a career as a journalist.

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The historian Sarah Churchwell.

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She sailed for Europe, didn't have anything lined up in advance.

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She just packed up her bags one day and left.

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Suddenly, here she is, exposed to this whole host of international and global projects and initiatives.

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She makes her mark right away, goes to Ireland,

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tracks down a leader of the Irish independence movement,

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and gets the last interview with him before he dies of a hunger strike.

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Next, she goes to Vienna, where she convinces the Philadelphia public ledger to hire her as a correspondent.

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Dorothy learns German, gets promoted to Berlin bureau chief.

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Then comes another step, and another step.

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And by the end of the 1930s, Thompson's column was read by 8 to 10 million people a day,

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at a time when the population of the United States was 130 million.

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She was a fixture on the radio too, toured the country the way rock bands do today.

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During one week in 1937, she turned down 700 speaking requests. 700!

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She was so famous that Katharine Hepburn played her effectively

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in the first movie that Hepburn made with Spencer Tracy called Woman of the Year.

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It's basically the story of a Hollywood version of Dorothy Thompson.

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Dorothy Thompson became such a public figure that quips about her were part of the culture.

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She snips her nails with indignation.

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She has discovered the secret of perpetual emotion.

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And, most famously, this from Alice Roosevelt Longworth,

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Teddy Roosevelt's daughter, who said that Thompson is, quote,

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the only woman in history who has had her menopause in public and made it pay.

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A line, incidentally, that Dorothy Thompson found hilarious.

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This is my favorite Dorothy Thompson story.

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One night in 1926, she's coming back from the opera in Vienna

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when she hears there's been a coup in Poland.

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There's a night train to Warsaw,

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and the whole foreign correspondent crew is racing to get on it.

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Dorothy doesn't have time to get back to her apartment,

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so she has her secretary fetch her typewriter and a traveling bag.

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The bigger problem is, she doesn't have any money for the journey,

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and the banks are closed.

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So who does she call?

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Remember, it's Vienna in 1926.

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Sigmund Freud, of course.

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He's a good friend.

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And, by the way, everyone who was anyone was friends with Dorothy Thompson.

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So Freud pulls a stack of cash out of his safe

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and sends his driver to the train station.

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Dorothy jumps on the train.

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Big relief. She's made it.

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But no, they cross the border into Poland,

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and the train tracks are blown up.

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Dorothy jumps out, hails a big Daimler.

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The driver demands a king's ransom,

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so Dorothy jumps in a Ford.

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The second driver refuses to enter Warsaw

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when he hears the gunfire.

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Meanwhile, the driver of the first car, the Daimler,

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runs into heavy gunfire.

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His car is riddled with bullets.

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The other correspondents witness the attack,

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and they're inconsolable.

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Dorothy's dead.

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They wire her obituary back to Vienna.

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But Dorothy is not dead.

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She's left the Ford behind

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and is walking the final few miles into Warsaw,

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still in her ball gown and slippers.

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And, legend has it, swearing like a sailor.

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Dorothy had everyone's attention.

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And what was she talking and writing about

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over and over again in the 1930s?

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Adolf Hitler.

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Long before the world became obsessed with Hitler,

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Dorothy Thompson was obsessed with Hitler.

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So, yeah, she always saw that Hitler was a thing.

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And that he was the one to watch.

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And that you needed to understand where that was going.

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She read a lot of history.

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She read a lot of politics.

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She interviewed everybody to try to get a sense

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of what it was that was going on.

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And so she got to the heart of it

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in a way that few, if any, of her contemporaries did.

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A journalist once calculated

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that by the spring of 1940,

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she had written a total of 238,000 words

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for her column in the Herald Tribune.

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And 147,000 of those were about Hitler.

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If I ever divorce Dorothy, her husband once said,

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I'll name Adolf Hitler as co-respondent.

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Hitler. Hitler. Hitler.

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She had to meet the man.

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Coming up, the first of what will be

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many meetings with Hitler over the course of this series.

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Before we go any further,

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I want to present an idea that will be useful

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over the next nine episodes.

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It's one of the most famous psychological theories

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of the 20th century.

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Leon Festinger's Cognitive Dissonance.

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We've talked about it before in the show.

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It's a psychological state of discomfort

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that occurs when a person holds

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two or more conflicting thoughts

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about the same thing.

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Beliefs or behaviors.

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Chocolate cake is bad for me.

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I desperately want a piece of chocolate cake.

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That's cognitive dissonance.

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It's a contradiction between what I believe

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and how I behave.

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And Festinger believed that cognitive dissonance

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makes us so uncomfortable

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that we are compelled to resolve it.

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So, you change your behavior

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to align with your belief.

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You say, I'm just not going to eat the cake.

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Or, I'm going to take just one bite.

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Or, I'm going to go to the gym afterwards.

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Or, you change your beliefs

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to align with your behavior.

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You tell yourself, I read somewhere

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that chocolate cake, in fact, isn't that fattening.

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Or, maybe you try and make the world

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change its mind so they can't judge you.

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You stand up and say, this looks like cake,

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but it's not actually cake.

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It's cocoa powder and sweetener

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and whipped low-calorie cream cheese.

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If you go online, you can find a ton

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of old black-and-white videos

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of psychologists working through the implications

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of Festinger's idea.

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Psychological story of decision-making

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doesn't end, however,

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when a decision has been made.

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That's Philip Zimbardo,

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one of the many psychologists

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inspired by Festinger's work.

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The act of making a decision

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can trigger a flood of other processes.

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According to psychologist Leon Festinger,

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whenever we choose to do something

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that conflicts with our prior beliefs,

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feelings, or values,

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a state of cognitive dissonance

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is created in us,

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a tension between what we think

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and what we do.

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The Berlin Olympics created

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cognitive dissonance on a grand

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geopolitical scale.

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The Olympics were an ideal,

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pure competition, unencumbered by politics,

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high-minded, an event created

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for cross-cultural understanding,

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young men and women in perfect

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physical condition, coming together

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from around the world.

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The founder of the modern Olympic movement

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was Pierre de Coubertin,

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who would always say,

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the important thing in life is not the triumph

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but the struggle.

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The essential thing is not to have conquered

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but to have fought well.

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That was the belief.

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But in 1936, what was the action?

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To participate in the Berlin Games

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meant going to Germany,

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competing in a stadium built

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by Nazi architects,

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being fodder for Hitler's propaganda chief

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Joseph Goebbels,

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and helping to legitimize a regime

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that had already started on the long

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anti-Semitic path that would end

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in the Holocaust.

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The Berlin Olympics were brutally

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dissonant, and in each of these

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episodes, Ben and I will follow

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how a different person resolved

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the contradiction, starting with

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someone who pretty much said,

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if there's a problem with the cake,

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then don't eat the cake,

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Dorothy Thompson.

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As early as 1923,

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Dorothy Thompson

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had her sights set on an interview

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with Hitler.

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This was a decade before he'd come to power,

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early days in Munich,

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after the so-called Beer Hall Putsch,

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when the young Hitler tried to launch

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a coup against the German government.

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When that failed, he escaped to a hideaway

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in the Bavarian Alps.

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Thompson followed him there,

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arriving only two hours after Hitler did,

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but he'd already moved on.

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For the next seven years,

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she pursued him, to no avail.

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But then, Hitler's party

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started gaining traction.

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His movement grew.

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He set up office in the Kaiserhof Hotel in Berlin,

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right across the street from the Reich Chancellery,

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the seat of power in Germany.

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All the top Nazis hung out at the Kaiserhof,

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with its grand awning,

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wrought iron balconies.

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They ate in the three-story dining room

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under its great glass ceiling.

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It was luxurious.

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It felt like power.

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Hitler could look out his window

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at the Reich Chancellery and dream.

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Hitler had a press officer

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named Ernst Homstengel.

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Everyone called him Putsi,

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which meant little fellow,

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though it translates literally as cute.

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Putsi was half German,

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half American.

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His mother was a Sedgwick,

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one of the grand old New England families.

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He grew up in Germany, but went to Harvard,

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where he was classmates with T.S. Eliot

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and with Theodore Roosevelt's son.

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One day, Putsi ran into Hitler

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in a bar in Munich, holding the crowd spellbound,

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and he fell in love.

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Putsi was a great musician,

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but whenever Hitler got a little lonesome,

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he would have Putsi bang out

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some Wagner on the piano,

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or some other little ditty that he'd written.

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Many years after the war,

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Putsi wrote his memoirs,

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which I would wholeheartedly recommend,

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in large part because of passages

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like this,

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about the time he and Adolf were over

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at a friend's house.

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They're so good that we had to reenact them.

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I started playing some of the football

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marches I had picked up at Harvard.

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I explained to Hitler

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all the business about the cheerleaders

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and college songs, and the deliberate

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whipping up of hysterical

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enthusiasms.

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Sound familiar?

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I told him about the thousands of spectators

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being made to roar,

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Harvard! Harvard! Harvard!

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Rah! Rah! Rah!

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in unison, and the hypnotic

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effect of this sort of thing.

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I played him some of the Sousa marches,

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and my own Falera,

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to show how it could be done by adapting

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German tunes. Gave them all

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that buoyant beat so characteristic

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of American brass band music.

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I had Hitler

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fairly shouting with enthusiasm,

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That's it, Hanfstengel!

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That is what we need for the movement!

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And he pranced up and down the room

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like a drum majorette.

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After that, he had the

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S.A. band practicing the same thing.

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Rah! Rah! Rah!

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Became Sieg Heil! Sieg Heil!

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That is the origin

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of it, and I suppose

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I must take my share of the blame.

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Puzzi ends the war as an advisor

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to Franklin Roosevelt,

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making him the only person to serve the leadership

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of both sides of the Second World War.

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But I digress.

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So, Puzzi convinces Hitler

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that he needs to have more of an international

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profile, so he starts inviting people

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to come and meet Herr Hitler

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at the Kaiserhof, the New York Times,

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an Italian journalist, a Japanese

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journalist, a legendary foreign

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correspondent with the memorable name

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Hubert Renfro

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Knickerbocker, and

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finally, Dorothy Thompson.

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Is she prepared

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for the interview? Of course.

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She's Dorothy Thompson.

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When he was in prison in 1924,

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years before the Kaiserhof,

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Hitler had written his manifesto,

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Mein Kampf. It was a bestseller

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in Germany, and trust me,

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Dorothy Thompson had read Mein Kampf

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in the German, all 700

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nutty pages of it,

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including passages like

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With satanic joy in his face,

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the black-haired Jewish youth

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lurks in wait for the unsuspecting girl

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whom he defiles with his blood,

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thus stealing her from

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her people. There's a lot

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of stuff like this in Mein Kampf.

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It was and it is Jews

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who bring the Negroes

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into the Rhineland, always with the same

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secret thought and clear aim

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of ruining the hated white race

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by the necessarily resulting

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bastardization, throwing it

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down from its cultural and political

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height, and himself rising

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to be its master.

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Dorothy Thompson knows

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just who she's going to meet when she

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walks into the Kaiserhof.

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She walks through the marble lobby, waits

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in Puzzi's office. She would

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say later that there was a lot of fussiness

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over the final preparations for the interview.

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She was limited to three

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questions, which she had to submit

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24 hours in advance.

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Hitler did not like thinking

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on his feet. Before the interview,

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she spots Hitler going to his rooms,

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accompanied by someone who she says

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looks like Al Capone.

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She waits for an hour.

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Finally, she's ushered in.

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She would say later,

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I was a little nervous. I considered

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taking smelling salts.

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Understand, that's a joke.

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Dorothy Thompson

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wasn't afraid of anyone. This was

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the woman who marched into Warsaw

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wearing her ballroom slippers.

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We don't have a recording of the interview,

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but I want you to imagine it. Her voice,

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her presence, those piercing

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blue eyes. Hitler's never

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met her before. And Hitler,

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to put it nicely, did not

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exactly have relationships of any real

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meaning with women, unless

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you count photo opportunities

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with little German girls.

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So maybe he's the nervous one,

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because he just starts babbling.

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Thompson would later

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write up the interview in an essay called

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I Saw Hitler.

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He is formless,

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almost faceless,

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a man whose countenance is a caricature,

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a man whose framework seems

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cartilaginous,

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without bones.

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He is inconsequent and voluble,

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ill-poised, insecure.

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He is the very prototype

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of the little man.

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Ouch!

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A lock of lank hair falls over

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an insignificant and slightly

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retreating forehead.

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The back head is shallow.

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The face is broad in the cheekbones.

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The nose is large, but badly shaped

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and without character.

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