#1996 - Andy Stumpf
2023-06-08 02:40:52
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Andy Stumplot, good to see ya.
What's going on, man?
Good to see you, brother. We were just talking about your cleared, hot podcast t-shirt.
It was more the Joe Rogan got in trouble t-shirt that did great things for sales. every time the Fox News would clear. Did it, really? Yeah, I remember texting with you and you were like, it would be better if it said podcast, so people would know what it was. Yeah.
So V2 is good to go.
So now, if I get caught saying like trans, women aren't women.
The number of times during the pandemic that they use that picture.
Well, it's because they use photos of me at the UFC weigh-ins.
Yeah.
And I wore your shirt at the weigh-ins a couple times.
I'm here for it. It did great things for sales.
Well, that's generally the idea. Genuinely the idea of why I wear it. I mean, whenever I wear someone's shirt at the UFC weigh-ins, I know it's going to be on ESPN, people are going to watch it. So I put it on. Yeah.
Trying to give my man some love.
I think it was probably a three-week time period where, at least once a day, somebody would send me that picture.
One of the problems is in some of the photos of me at the weigh-ins, I'm holding on to the wait list of all the different fighters, what they weighed in at.
Yeah, because it's ceremonial, right? Exactly.
So I have this piece of paper, and I have a microphone, and I'm addressing the crowd. And when I address the crowd, I do it like this. I raise my hand up, and I'm doing this. Like, what's up? Welcome.
It's moving. It's not a Hitler. But in the photos, it certainly looks like a Hitler.
Today is certainly an awkward day for a photo like that.
I got a Henzo shirt on there. So I've wore a bunch of them with John Jock shirts. But it's just different stuff. Yeah, there's a—what is that one? Oh, that's an honor shirt.
Yeah, I wore a bunch of honor shirts. But the whole idea is just, you know, help your friends. But that was the one they found.
Have they had the chance to—how far after the actual weigh-in is that ceremonial one?
They have about—I think it starts in the morning, and I think it cuts off at 10 a.m. I think they have a certain amount of time where they have to make the weight. So, like, it's not, like they can make weight at the weigh-in, at the ceremonial weigh-in. They don't have that amount of time.
But is it hours later? Yes. I'm asking, because I'm assuming they start hydrating the second they get off the scale.
Yeah, usually we do it at 4 p.m. Sometimes it's a little later. So you've got to think—they have at least six hours.
Okay, so they're back on the liquids, or however they can—.
They can't IV it, unfortunately, because IVs can mask any sort of PED use, I guess, somehow or another. I guess if you, like, super, super hydrate, when you piss and they do a piss test, you're just only going to get the fluid.
Couldn't they test them before the weigh-in?
They could. Yeah, they could. They could test them before the weigh-in? I mean, but the thing is, like, when someone's weighing in, drawing blood, these people are on death's door. Yeah.
It's really fucked. I hate weigh-ins. I hate the fact that these guys make weight. Not always, but, like, 50% of the time. Because some guys do it very intelligently.
Like, some guys are really only cutting a few amount—a percentage of their body weight. Yeah. But some guys are cutting extraordinary amounts of weight. And it's very dangerous. It's very dangerous.
They seem great, because they look healthy, but it's very dangerous. It's bad for your organs. It's bad for your kidneys. There's been fighters that have died from cutting weight. And it's also—I've seen these guys on death's door 24 hours before the most savage competition that's currently available.
that's legal. I mean, that's what it is. It's like you're engaging in a fucking cage fight, and maybe for 25 minutes, 24 hours after you are on death's door.
What do you think? you start feeling like shit? Like the first round? Does it hit you?
It hits—well, adrenaline kicks in the first round. It definitely limits your ability to take shots. That's pretty universally agreed upon, is that fighters that have cut too much weight, they say it affects their chin. It affects your durability. Because your brain is not going to hydrate at the same rate as your muscles and everything else.
Apparently it takes—let's Google that. How long does it take your brain to rehydrate? naturally with liquids after you've been dehydrated? Because there's a vast superiority, apparently, in that regard to IVs.
I feel like it would affect your engine, too.
Oh, it has to affect everything. It's basically like getting shit-faced, pissed, drunk, fucked up, hungover, doing blow. And then the next day, like, sort of like, oh, Jesus, I've got to get to the gym. Like, you're wrecking yourself. Yeah.
I've seen guys that can't lift their leg up. When Travis Luder weighed in when he fought Anderson Silva, it was the worst I've ever seen. Travis was walking to the scale, and he was shuffling.
The real weigh-in?
Yeah, the real weigh-in. He was shuffling to the scale. Because he missed weight. It was for the world title, too. And Travis had a very good chance at that time.
Travis was one of the best black belts that ever fought in the UFC. He was a killer. He had knockout power in his hands. He could stand and bang with guys. But his jiu-jitsu was fucking top of the food chain at the time.
He was good. But he was so depleted. By the time he got into the octagon to that fight, and he missed weight, so he wouldn't have been able to win the title anyway. So he loses a percentage of his purse. Missed weight.
He can't fight. It's not for the title anymore. Now it's just a five-round main event. And he's still, you know, it just sucks. Because you see these guys who are super fucking talented.
And then you see this massive price that they pay 24 hours before the fight.
I feel like it's avoidable. Well, I also feel like it could be a better show, too, if they didn't make him do that.
I think so, too. That's why I always give props to Frankie Edgar. Because Frankie Edgar beat BJ Penn, and Frankie weighed 155 pounds. That's what he weighed.
That was his walk around?
You could tell. when you looked at him. He looked like a 155-pound guy. Whereas if you're around some of these guys, some of these guys that are 155, like Charles Oliveira, is fucking huge. Like, how are you 155??
Justin Gaethje, Dustin Poirier, those guys are big. Those guys are, like, 190-plus. Michael Chandler, he's, like, pushing 200 pounds.
Except for about one minute.
Yeah, for a short amount of time. They suck themselves down to, like, just these dehydrated, dried sponge bones and organs. And then they get on that scale, and then they pump back up, and they look pretty good at the ceremonial weigh-in. And then, over the next 24 hours, they rehydrate. And Alex Pejeta, who's probably the biggest example of weight cutting in the UFC, he weighs 185, and you can't fucking believe it.
for a second. You look at him, you're like, what?
He looks like he's chiseled out of marble.
He's a giant. He's a big motherfucker, and he hits hard. He's a scary dude. But I think that his weight cutting, like, you can't do it. You can't say, hey, Alex, would you step in to fight for the title in four weeks?
He can't make the weight. He's walking around at 226, 227.. He's big. I mean, so for him to cut, he's got to start slowly. And there's, like, a very methodical process they do with nutritionists and these weight cutting experts.
I think you could do that over weeks, though, say, like, months out. And then, 24 hours later, you're going to be performing at your prime. You're not. No fucking way.
You're not. You're not. You're not. You're not. You would definitely be performing better if you didn't have to cut that weight.
But there's something to be said for the discipline of cutting weight, because in order to do that, if you're a 170-pound guy and you're going down to 145, you've got to fucking be disciplined. Like, you've got to be all-in, dialed-in. But so many fighters have gone up in weight, and that's been the prime of their career. Jorge Macedo is a good example of that. There's a lot of – Robert Whitaker is a good example of that.
At 170, he was too big. It was hurting him too much to get down to 170.. Hamza Chamaev, he missed weight by 8 pounds when he was supposed to be fighting Nate Diaz.
Do you get any of your purse if you miss it by 8 pounds?
You do. Well, fortunately for him – Kevin Holland's a wild man, so Kevin Holland decided to take that fight on 24 hours notice. I mean, Kevin Holland's preparing for Daniel Rodriguez, so he's preparing for a striker at 180, luckily. And so they decide, okay, let's just go up to 180.. We'll take this fight at 180..
I have no interest in that. I enjoy nachos.
Nachos are a delicious food product, but I do believe they might cause inflammation.
I'm not saying I enjoy nachos every day. I enjoy them enough, with other things that are probably not good for me, that I have no desire to cut weight like that.
I hear you, bro. Yeah, I hear you. But if you want to be the fucking conqueror, if you want to be the man –.
I've met a few of the fighters. I was at a shooting event with Gaethje. Super nice guy.
Oh, he's the best. Justin's great. He's awesome. Salt of the Earth.
It's funny to me how many people who are walking around absolute fucking murderers –.
Murderers.
– that are the kindest people on planet Earth. They have no desire to be violent whatsoever, except for maybe 25 minutes.
I think that's why. I think they get it all out. I think they get it all out in the gym. I really do. I mean, you know that from jiu-jitsu.
Jiu-jitsu people are some of the nicest people ever.
Some of them.
Some of them. But, you know, look, you can't get all great people. Correct. It's too hard. But then, when you get into the black belt range, you get a very high percentage of great people.
Very high percentage.
I've had it said to me by a few coaches that the black belt itself has the highest deviation in range and ability than any other belt leading up to it.
Oh, for sure. If you think about, like, the guys that keep going way past that. We were talking earlier. We were making these analogies about scratch golfers. And you were saying that a scratch golfer is like a black belt.
And someone was saying it's like a purple belt. Purple belt, yeah. Yeah. You were saying, no, no, it's like a black belt. And then I think what some people don't know is there's black belts and then there's black belts.
You know, there's Marcelo Garcia's, where you roll with them. You're like, what am I doing?
Like, why am I even doing this? I've heard other black belts describe experiences like that. It's the same thing. Like, I roll with that guy and he made me feel like a white belt. And that dude has more stripes on his belt than you can count.
Like, how the fuck is that possible?
How is that possible? I mean, that was always the case with Hickson. Hickson, when he would do seminars, he would teach seminars. And then he would teach these black belts the finer points of techniques and things that they didn't even know. Like, these guys are black belts.
And he's showing them. this is why. And then you put your position. And then they're like, holy shit. Like, now all of a sudden light bulbs go off.
And you realize you've been doing this one position wrong. A very simple position. Maybe it's a guard pass. Maybe it's a triangle. Whatever it is.
He would do this. He would teach these black belts. Blow them away. And then he would line them up and roll with them.
Just smash them.
One after another. And these guys would wait. So they'd be warming up and stretching out. And they'd watch him go to town with these assassins. So you go, oh, I'm fifth.
Maybe I'll have a chance. Maybe they'll be tired. He never gets tired. Because he never puts in any effort. There's videos of Hickson.
Pull up a video of Hickson rolling with a series of black belts. This is the Hickson samurai days. This is when he was the motherfucker. He used to wear his hair in, like, a samurai bun. He was all in.
That's cultural appropriation.
A little bit.
But I think he can do it.
He's Hickson Gracie. If anybody has the spirit of a samurai, it's that guy.
So Henry is one of his first American black belts. He has stories of world champions coming in and just getting fuck started. Yeah. Like putting their belt in the garbage can on the way out.
Paul Ophelio said that. Paul Ophelio said that when he was a WEF. Or what was it? Which organization was he a world champion of? He was a world champion of one of the organizations that the UFC acquired.
I forget which one. I'm having a brain fart. But anyway, Paul Ophelio, who was fought in pride. He was a legit black belt. He submitted a lot of fucking people.
He submitted Melvin Manhoof in a crazy fight. You ever see that fight? No. I'll show you that fight.
I don't think I've ever heard that name.
That's right. WEC. Right. Okay. So what was I going to say?
Let's go to Paul Ophelio first. So you see, Paul Ophelio. Do you have the Hickson one? No, I was fighting that. Okay.
Go, Paul Ophelio versus Melvin Manhoof. Melvin Manhoof is probably – he's in my top ten favorite kickboxers of all time. He was a wild motherfucker and he was so powerful. And he was all gas, no breaks. And the most – for sure the most destructive kickboxer that ever fought in pride.
Right up there with Mirko Krokop. Like that level. Although Mirko was more successful. But Melvin – because Melvin was much smaller. But Melvin knocked out Mark Hunt with one punch.
And he weighed 190 pounds at the time.
Is this the same rule set as UFC? No, this is pride.
So pride is amazing, because you can kick on the ground. You can stomp guys in the head. You can do anything. Because of the ring, I think that's a little bit more fair, because you can move your head around a little bit more. In a cage – I had a conversation with Tate Fletcher about that.
And he was saying, no, it's the cage. You can't, like, stomp a guy where their head is pressed against the cage. I'm like, yeah, you got a point.
It doesn't look like it would be harder to control them up against the ring.
Yeah, definitely. And I think it makes takedowns more difficult as well. It makes getting back up much more difficult. Getting back up, you know, it's very hard to do in the center, right? You've got to escape.
So he's getting tooled on by one of the most ferocious strikers to ever fight in MMA. Who's built like a fucking superhero, right? But Paulo Filho eventually catches him. But this is how good he was in his prime. Now, in his prime, during these times, he rolled with Hickson.
And he said he felt like a white belt. He went and rolled with Hickson. He was like, oh, my God. Like, everything they say is true. Like, everything they say about him is true.
So he gets him down finally.
Oh, he's getting that arm.
Oh, yeah. No, Paulo Filho, he was a bad motherfucker, dude. Tight jujitsu. Look at the space. Look at the space.
See no space? Look at that space. I mean, his jujitsu is tight, man. Elite, elite shit. Look at this.
God.
Yeah. I have a hard time watching this because I'm waiting for the elbow to detonate in the wrong direction.
I know. I've seen a lot of those. But look how tight that jujitsu was. Yeah. Tight.
And he's a young man in his prime. He went and rolled with Hickson. He's like, the stories are all true. The stories are all true. Which is hard to believe, you know, like that, there's this one guy that is just so far above.
Yeah. He also had this, like, thing about him, too, the spiritual aspect. The meditation and the yoga. It freaked people out, you know, like when they were actually rolling with him. It freaks them out.
They're like, Jesus Christ, this is Hickson, Gracie.
I've spent a lot of time traveling around going to Henry's seminars so I could pick his brain. And I've been there when somebody's asked him, he's like, so, you know, how long when you were training with Hickson, until you were able to, you know, tap him out? And after he got up off the floor laughing, he's like, I never scored a point on that guy.
And I've rolled with Henry. It's the single most uncomfortable rolling experience I've ever had. It's there's no space. If you give him an inch, he takes several. You don't get it.
back. The pressure, you feel like you're being pancaked under a hydraulic press.
And so that's kind of like my upper end bar. And then to hear that somebody at that upper end level was unable to ever score a point against their coach. Like, what the fuck?
I know, it's crazy. But that's what we're talking about. There's layers and layers and levels and levels.
You know, it's funny.
You roll with John Jacques Machado, he's talking to you the whole time. Joe Hogan, come on, my friend.
I don't know if I'm cool with that. It's like, at least work. Please pretend like you're breathing hard.
No, he's never breathing hard. John Jacques never breathes hard. Never. Never. Never see him breathing hard.
He's always relaxed and calm. No explosive movements. That's also why he's 50 and he can still roll with black belts. No problem at all. No problem.
He's got, like, a little meniscus injury in his knee. Like, little tiny shit.
Yeah. So I heard a lot after the—I didn't hear a lot, I read a lot—after the Krohn fight, people talking about jiu-jitsu. Like, as if that was what happened in that fight. Proof that jiu-jitsu is no longer valid. For the UFC, I was curious about your thoughts on that fight.
Well, then how does Paul Craig keep pulling it off? Paul Craig submitted Jamal Hill, who's the light heavyweight champion. He submitted a shit ton of guys. And he submits guys off his back. His triangle is fucking evil.
His triangle is evil. That motherfucker has a world-class triangle.
So what do you think the difference was in that fight, then? Were you there for that, or was that—?
Yes. Charles Jordain, first of all, is very good. He's a very good fighter. He's very good. He's very good all around.
He's very good standing up. He's very technical. He doesn't do anything stupid. He doesn't take wild chances.
He was very safe, especially when he wrapped up his guard around him. He was like, no, no, no, no, no.
But also, Charles Jordain is a legit black belt. Yeah. So it's not like Krohn is going to the ground and he's in the guard of someone who doesn't know what's going on. Charles Jordain knows exactly what's going on. And they're sweaty.
And he's playing defense. And he gets to punch you in the face. It's a different world. Now, if Charles Jordain and Krohn were just rolling, I think Krohn was many steps above him in just straight jujitsu. I mean, Krohn Gracie is a motherfucker, dude.
He's outstanding. I mean, he's a legit world champion jujitsu player. But his striking is not at the same level as those guys. And he doesn't have the kind of takedowns like an Aljamain Sterling or like some legit wrestler, where there's always this threat of this power double that you can't defend. I mean, Aljamain took down Henry Cejudo, you know?
I mean, he only was Olympic champion. I know, no big deal. Fuck.
So Aljamain is like, in my opinion, is like the best example of a jujitsu player, because he's got elite back control, world-class rear naked choke. The rear naked choke he did on San Hagen, out of control. I mean, just, no, you're not getting out of this. You're going to sleep, 100%. His backpack and his rear naked choke is top of the food chain.
But he's also a great wrestler. You've got to have that. You've got to be able to control position. You've got to be able to take guys down. He can take guys down.
And if you can't, you've got to be that motherfucker of a striker, like Charles Oliveira, where everybody wants to take him down because he's fucking coming at you, like lifting those knees up, walking forward, throwing bombs.
Doesn't seem to go their way once they get him on the ground. God damn.
You can't say jujitsu doesn't work, because how is Charles Oliveira submitting everyone? He submits insane submissions over elite guys.
I guess, to be fair, I don't think it was saying that jujitsu didn't work. I guess what I saw more often was people saying that the old-school Gracie style, and, again, I don't have my toes in the experience pool enough, and that's why I asked you, I'm curious in your thoughts, that that style of jujitsu, pole guard, get it to the ground, was outdated.
It depends on who you are, man, because he did it with Alex Caceres. He got a hold of Alex Caceres. It just depends on who you are. It depends on the skill set of the opponent that he's encountering, and it depends on who he's training with. I don't know what Krohn did for that training camp.
He lives in Montana now.
Yeah, I know.
I don't know if he did his camp there, though.
I don't know either. Not aware. I was excited to see him back. I'm always excited to see a real specialist. I'm always excited to see a Pejeta, a world-class kickboxer, someone like Krohn, a world-class submission artist.
It's always exciting when you see wrestlers like Bo Nickel, a world-class wrestler. It's always exciting to see a specialist, but I don't know what he did. It's just like the performance wasn't his best. He just really, Jordan's good, man. You can't take it away from him.
He fought the perfect fight. I think Krohn was very frustrated. He just couldn't get him down, so he's just pulling guard, and he's pulling guard, and he wasn't able to do anything with it. Yeah. He didn't even really threaten.
There's not like one moment where it looked like he almost had something, which is crazy when you think about how good he is. Yeah.
I think you're right. I think, if it was just a straight jiu-jitsu rule set, probably would have done it.
He's on another level. He's on another level. Jordan is not training straight jiu-jitsu all the time like that. He's doing everything. That's why his knees are so good.
That guy's a nasty fighter, man. He's very good. When I saw that fight, I was like, ooh. It's a very good fight for Jordan, I thought, because it's a good high-profile opponent to show people how good he is. There's a few of those guys that are out there that are kind of under the radar that are so fucking good, but it's just because there's so much talent now.
Those guys would be like everybody would be talking about them a few years ago. Now it's like there's so many of them. There's so many. Every fucking division has some new guy I've never heard of who comes over with an 11-0 record from Brazil, and he's a motherfucker.
Or Dagestan.
Oh, my God, those guys. They're making them in factories over there. It's crazy. They're all killers.
Yeah.
They're all killers. There's just so many good guys out there in the world now.
How well can you hear those shots cage-side?
Depends on where you're at. At the Apex, you hear them real good.
Yeah, it seems quiet. You can hear the floor flexing, even on TV.
The Apex is the best. I hear people saying, like, stop having fights at the Apex. The UFC is lazy for having fights at the Apex. I'm like, what are you talking about? Go there once and see a fight there.
It's amazing. Some of the most fun experiences that I've had of calling fights and being there. I've only been to the Apex twice just to watch fights. No, actually once. Yeah, once at the Apex and once in Austin.
So in Austin, it was for a crowd where I was just in the audience. And at the Apex, I was just sitting there watching. It was amazing. You hear the breathing. You hear the shit talking.
You hear the corner men. You hear everything. And since I was at the side, I could listen in one ear. I could actually hear the commentary, too. And you're just like, everything.
You hear every fucking strike. You hear impacts.
The COVID fights? It was crazy because you could hear the corners, too. Yeah.
Yeah. The COVID fights were crazy. But now there's small crowds in some of these. Like the Apex, might have a couple hundred people.
I just think you get the best seat in the house. It's got to be happening occasionally where somebody just gets taken down directly in front of you and gets the fuck beat out of them.
Oh, yeah. Well, for sure. I hear them all the time. Yeah, for sure.
How much shit talking is occurring?
Depends on who's fighting. You know, it depends on who's fighting.
There was a couple of Khabib, like, give up, now. Like, just stop.
Fuck. Yeah, that was Khabib against Michael Johnson. He's like, you know. I should be fighting for the title.
Like, save it for later, dude. Let's talk about this later.
That was a scary one because he got him in a Kimura. I'm like, please tap. Please tap. Please tap. Yeah, I can't watch that stuff.
Because when guys don't tap to Kimuras, they get that spiral fracture of their upper arm, and it's horrific.
How about the heel hook? Yeah. Where you just hear all the seals blow out.
Someone just blew their knee out at the last UFC. I can't watch it. Yeah, some girl got heel hooked, and her knee just went. Just exploded. Yeah.
It's rough, man. It's a rough sport. You know, it's like you see those folks walking around backstage, especially ones who have had, like, 30 fights. And a lot of them have, like, little limps and kinks in their steps. Everyone's sore.
It would be fair to say that I'm into some atypical hobbies, but those fuckers can have that stuff. No desire whatsoever.
It's a rough way to make a living.
Agreed.
And then there's guys like Andre Orlovsky, still out. They fought last weekend. It's crazy. That guy's been. he was the UFC champ in, like, the early 2000s.
It's nuts. It's 2023, and that guy's still throwing down with top flight heavyweights.
I hope he can enjoy the tail end of his life. I mean, the jury's kind of out on that level of concussive injury. Yeah. I hope that he takes some time for himself.
That was him when he was the champ.
Yeah, he looks totally sane.
Yeah, he looked a lot better back then physically, but he's still pretty fucking solid.
I dig the fang mouth guard. That's pretty awesome.
He's a legend. The guy's been around forever. The guy's been around forever. So was it 2005 that he was the champ? Bad motherfucker in his day.
You know, it's just the fucking game catches up to you. There's no if, ands, or buts about it. No one survives forever. Even in boxing. Like, Bernard Hopkins was the one who stayed in the longest.
He was fighting world class championship caliber fighters at 50 years old and winning.
Was he still alive?
He's still alive. He fought Joe Smith Jr. in his last fight, and he got obliterated. He got knocked out.
Is he all there upstairs?
I don't know, but that was a bad. I think he seems all there. He was a very good defensive fighter. When you talk to him, it's not like there's some fighters, like Meldrick Taylor's the saddest. When you hear him talk, it's very bad.
Terry Norris, he's got it bad. But Bernard doesn't seem to have any issues. But he was a really good defensive fighter. Very rarely hurt in his fights. The Joe Smith fight, he got clipped, and he went through the ropes and fell, like, off the ring onto the ground.
It looked like he hit his head, too. It was real bad.
Did he get back in?
No, that was it. That was the end of the fight. I think he landed on his head. It was real bad. The way he got hit, and he sagged through the ropes, and he got hit, and he fell.
They didn't have, like, nothing to catch fighters if they fell through the ropes. Like, how do you not have, like, hey, guys, what if this happens?
I mean, they had concrete there.
Yeah, oh. It definitely keeps them from dropping into hell.
Over the short term.
Over the short term, exactly. Yeah, it's a rough way to learn reality when you're compromised for the rest of your life for decisions you made when you were a young, wild man.
Yeah. That's why I ask about the long term. I hope they have a chance. Again, I have nothing but the most respect for not just the dedication, the work, the desire. I do believe that people should be able to pursue whatever their passion is, to whatever degree they want to.
I just hope that at the end of that journey, there's enough left upstairs. they can enjoy the work they put in.
We should just clarify, before we go any further, that this person saying this is super safe.
is a fucking psychopath that had the world record.
for the flying squirrel suit launch.
I've said this to you every time. That shit was not difficult.
That's what I'm saying. See, that's how crazy you are. You think that jumping out of a fucking airplane with a helmet on, flying through the air...
This was January, though. This was fucking awesome.
These are the parachute jumps. you guys did.
Yeah, we did the...
That's very cool. Look how cool that is. Look how cool that is. You guys are over the Great Pyramid.
There's another one, Jamie. It's directly... The three pyramids are lined up in the negative space. It might be on my Instagram page.
Did you guys get a tour of the pyramids while you were there?
We were on such a timeline. It was... So we did... I was here with Mike Cirelli. We were talking about what we were going to do.
We finally went down there and started off in Antarctica in January, which was fucking cool. It's not what I thought it would be.
What is it like?
It's like there's nothing there. No, there's one of the four of us...
Amazing.
There's four of us in free fall with all of the pyramids. Keep going. God damn it. Where is it? I know I posted it.
Keep going. Right there. Bottom.
Oh, wow.
Like, holy shit.
That's amazing. What a great photo.
Well, looking down as we're...
Where did you land? Did you land on the pyramids? No.
Okay. If I am being totally honest, I did consider it because the top of it is very flat for a small period. And the landing, if you... The bottom portion of the screen, there's a golf course, an abandoned golf course. So we basically opened our parachutes.
You could fly right along the line of the pyramids. And the pyramid on the bottom left, you can see it has a little bit of a flat square. on top of it. There's a golf course right there. I was probably 30 yards from the top of that thing.
And I did have a conversation with myself of, I could land on this. The journey will be over for me, but it'll definitely make national news. So that'll be good for the rest of the people. And I just went right past it. But looking down in free fall over the top of the pyramids, I've been jumping now for 24 years.
That is the single coolest jump I've ever done. I thought it was going to be Antarctica, which was a very unique experience. But I can't even... Looking down, like, holy shit. We're in Egypt over the top of the Pyramid of Giza.
How wild is it that there was a golf course right next to the pyramids?
There's a Marriott right there, too.
Let's just say in the tourist photos and the promotional materials for the pyramid, they really focus on a particular angle. If they did a 180 and you could see the KFC and McDonald's, like, it might...
Oh, man, is there really KFC and McDonald's?
I'm pretty sure that there is. I know for a fact, there's a Marriott.
Jamie wants to play that course. Oh, 100%.
It went viral a couple weeks ago,
but they were finding old pictures.
when it was still an operatable... Yeah, it was abandoned.
Why did they abandon it?
Probably there were not that many people there.
Why doesn't this live PGA tour thing, why don't they resurrect it?
Because it's probably not hard enough.
Call it Party at the Pyramids. Not cheap, bro. We're talking about the Saudis. They got all the cash in the world. Let's go.
Let's go. Well, they're going to fix it.
All that shit, Joe, to the right of the golf course, that's the Marriott over there. Most of the images are cropped a certain way. There's a very commercial aspect to it, as I'm sure there is. Kind of closer to what it looks like now.
Now, did you get a chance to go to Egypt? Were you in Cairo for any length of time? Or was it on the ground, back out?
So our goal was to do all seven continents in under seven days, and we were successful. We did it in about six and a half. So it was go the whole time. So we started in Antarctica. We spent like a week there.
So tell me, what was weird about Antarctica?
There's nothing there. So if you want to go see the emperor penguins or all of the wildlife that is available, you can't go to the interior of Antarctica, which is where we were. We were at a...
Wow!
Jeez! So I thought that this was going to be the coolest jump that I'd ever done. And what I will say is, it's probably the coolest location. Just what went into being involved in that? Because we were there for a week.
We did our first jump the day after we got there. And then we did the final jump the day that we left. But it's a camp of a company called Ailey, Antarctic Logistics and Exploration. One of the partners is Mike McDowell. And awesome Australian family.
His son is out there. Tim's out there working with him. And it's a full-on camp. Alex Honnold had passed through shortly after we had left there. He was climbing Mount Vincent, which is the largest mountain in Antarctica.
Crazy group of people. Really? Fully set up. Library. Indoor packing area for us to do our parachutes.
Bathrooms. Showers. Really nice tents. Will Smith was there earlier. Really?
Yeah. If you're going to film, from my understanding, if you're going to do a high-end film project, you basically work your way through that. It's fully established. There's a blue ice runway. We flew in on a 757..
What's a blue ice runway?
A runway made of blue ice. The runway you land on is straight, fucking ice. There's lights on it. It's crazy. And it's a chartered 757 through Icelandic air.
Holy shit. You just land on ice? Straight-up, blue ice.
It wasn't that deep, dark blue. That's the Russian. If you look in front of that aircraft, that's what it is. What the fuck? That's the Russian plane.
That actually landed. while we were there. I got a killer GoPro shot. That's the camp. Third row down.
Yep, that's it right there. That's basically what it looked like when we were there,
too. Is that camp set up for scientists? No.
At the South Pole, there is a bunch of, from my understanding, pure science going on there, funded by governments. This is straight-up kind of tourism. You can go there and just hang out and camp. You can go see glaciers. This is at one or the other.
They have remote camps as well. They have a crazy,
very high-end camp. There's tents like that. Those are the tents we were staying in right there. That tavern over there, those are the kind of tents that we were staying in. But it's on an ice field.
There's no insects. There's no wildlife. The sun doesn't go down.
And...
How much food do they have up there?
As much as you could possibly want. They had a full dining facility. The setup there is unbelievable. You can go in and get food anytime you want to.
They'll have a presentation every night. High-end National Geographic photographer. All sorts of crazy motherfuckers pass through there. I'm just going to walk to the South Pole. They'll come back in subsequent years and give talks on where they went and how they avoided these crevasses, which I had no fear of until I went to Antarctica and got the brief on crevasses, which is just, you're dead.
They'll never find you again. And the camp is, of course,
surrounded by them. How deep are they?
Hundreds of feet deep, depending on the ones that you get into. It's just from the shifting and moving.
ice. And sometimes people just fall into them?
I don't think... Oh, yeah, this is a guy who fell into one skiing. This is making its rounds on the old internet.
Oh, Jesus Christ.
He stops himself. This guy self-arrests. Oh, fuck. Who knows how much farther down that...
How did he get back out?
He might have self-rescued.
Self-rescued is a terrible fucking.
phrase. Yeah, but it's also actually pretty important to know how to do it. At all times, whatever it is that you are actually doing in your life. Do those guys.
ski like that with an ice pick?
I don't think they ski with an ice pick, but I think, and I don't do this type of skiing, but the bottoms of their poles are sharp as well, so, depending on what they need to climb out of, they might have crampons in their backpack. I'm assuming that the person had like a full backcountry kit with them. Oh, my God.
Now, what do you do? Do you leave the skis behind? Do you drop them and try to save your ass, or do you try to come up with the skis? Because if you don't have the skis, you're kind of fucked.
Well, if they're smart, they're going to have a GPS communicator of some kind. Like, in the modern era, if you go out into the backcountry of any kind and don't have the ability to communicate, you're a fucking idiot. Like, the barriers to entry is a couple hundred bucks, and you can talk to people. Maybe only text, but you can hit a button, and legitimately people will come get you. I would say it depends on the situation that you're in.
I think priority should be self-rescue, if you can...
He was able to get out using ice cleats and a piece of rope from his.
friends. So he was smartly not out there by himself, so they probably saw him go in.
Jesus. He could have been done.
Oh, 100%. Yeah. Or if he hadn't self-arrested and gone down hundreds of more feet. Broken his legs.
Oh, yeah. Broken, his neck, died like that. Instead, he lives another day. Hard pass.
Unreasonable, Joe. Gets right back on the skis. So there's none of that going on in Antarctica, but we got this brief on. hey, we're getting ready to jump, and just so you know, here's the landing area and everywhere else is crevasses. I'm like, oh.
Okay. So we should probably land in the landing area. But it was crazy. They had aircraft.
And how do they know that a new crevasse isn't going to open up on the ice runway?
On the blue ice runway when they land the aircraft? I'm assuming they do surveys.
Oh, look, they flattened it out. Yep.
That's legitimately it. Every 22 hours?
Oh, it involves 22 hours of grooming. Oh, so they're just constantly doing it.
And they shut the camp down every year. So I just had a dinner with Mike and his son, Tim, in Salt Lake a few weeks ago, and then they're getting ready to head back out there, I think, in January. They'll stay out for the season. That's probably the aircraft that we jumped.
out of Twin Otter. So why do they shut it down every year?
The winter is just super gnarly, and it's the dark season. So instead of the sun never really going down, the sun never really goes up. So it's shitty to have people out there.
So that's White Desert. That's a different place. But I believe that's on the other side of Antarctica. But similar concept.
The people that are there all the time, they must be weird.
I think it's a special kind of person that wants to make that their occupation. For sure.
You think?
But the jump there was wild. I bet. It looks incredible. I had a duffel bag. I'm not joking.
The size of this fucking table. Because I had never jumped in Antarctica, so I'm Googling what's your normal temperature. I had done that wingsuit jump up in Davis, where it was very cold at exit, but 100 degrees on the ground because it was Northern California in the summertime. So I took this duffel bag and on our first jump I put on just about everything in that bag and I think I might have been the closest to a heat casualty that I've ever been in my fucking life. Really?
Because we were in a Twin Otter, which is a normal skydiving plane, and they had the door open the whole time. They actually took the door off. But we were kind of up forward. There wasn't a lot of wind coming in. I'm talking like electronic gloves, several layers, profusely sweating underneath all the shit that I'm wearing.
Oh, that's horrible. It was horrible because, for those of you out there who don't know what happens to liquid when you jump out into a freezing environment. So you're sweating your ass off, jumping out into. it was probably in the negative 30s or 40s. Free fall, parachute open up and you're just like ripping off clothing in Antarctica.
It was hilarious. We all overdressed for the first one and I think most people were wearing one or two layers.
for the second jump that we did. So when you got to the bottom, how cold was it?
10 degrees. Oh okay. But sunny. Like I was wearing a pair of essentially snowboarding pants and a long-sleeve t-shirt, not because I needed the, oh yeah, this is actually a video that I made of the camp.
So for under layers, are you using synthetics, are you using merino liquid, because it's very dangerous when you sweat like that.
and then get cold right? And that's the thing like underneath. that jacket is a t-shirt and I'm wearing the long-sleeve because I didn't want exposure to the sun. and that's like wrapping your face too, like the sun down there will absolutely nuke you. Really?
Yeah, it's just. it's so, and this is probably like I don't know this could be fucking 3 in the morning.
the sun just never goes down. Why is it so powerful up there? Uh, I think it might.
I mean I'm not an expert on this by any stretch, but I think it might be the angle that it's coming in at. But yeah, it's by the end, it was wild. And so we went from there to Chile, Chile to Miami, Miami to Barcelona, Barcelona to Cairo, Cairo to UAE, UAE to Australia. Jump in each of the locations 6 and a half days. Wow.
It's pretty gnarly, man. That's insane.
Persistent extreme ultraviolet irradiance in Antarctica, despite the ozone recovery onset. Oh so, it's an ozone issue. I believe that's what it was, but they found that it's coming back, but it might just be so bright and so much like snow and ice to reflect off of. you're getting bombarded with, like you know, mirrors around you. It says, attributable to the Montreal Protocol, the most successful environmental treaty ever, human made.
ozone depleting substances are declining in the stratospheric Antarctica. Ozone layer is recovering. however, the Antarctic ozone hole continues to occur every year. With the severity of ozone loss strongly modulated by meteorological conditions. in late November and in early December 2020, we measured at the northern tip of Antarctic Peninsula the highest ultraviolet irradiance is recorded in Antarctic continent in more than two decades.
Mmm. Yeah.
They recommended all appendages covered, gloves at all times and sunscreen on your face. Wow. Yeah.
When I went to Australia the first time, they used to have these ads everywhere about skin cancer. Ads are everywhere about skin cancer. Because I think Australia had an issue with the hole.
in the ozone layer as well. I think it was the same hole that just extended out.
That's all from hairspray from chicks in the 80s. That's like poison. That's a lot of hairspray.
I think it might have been more things. No, no, no.
It was hairspray. That's what I heard.
Oh, my god. Look at the size of that hole. Holy shit. That's the hole in the ozone? I don't know when this picture was taken, but that's directly over Antarctica.
Bro, we could have cooked the whole earth with hairspray. Look at it. It's still pretty big. That's a big ass hole as recently as 2019.. Yeah.
It doesn't look like it's getting any better. Just moving around a little bit.
You've seen the old Star Wars, right? Yeah. Like when he's on Hoth? Mmm-hmm.
That's Antarctica. Oh, right. The desert. Yeah.
It was just white, as far as I could see, but literally not a single insect. No wildlife. So we went and checked out some glaciers, did some hikes and just kind of waited for the weather for.
Then they never had any wildlife up there.
ever? There is plenty of wildlife, but from my understanding it is at the extreme outer edges.
where the water is. Correct. Yeah, that makes sense.
And the cruise ships will kind of come through there for all, because I think there's millions upon millions of penguins. Mmm-hmm. But there's no food source in the interior.
Oh, right. So they have to dive in the water and get fish. Yeah. Have you ever seen leopard seals?
Online, yes. They're my favorite animal. Why? Because they're fucking awesome. Like of all animals?
No. They're my favorite animal.
in the water. I'm just talking crazy.
They're one of my favorite animals. I'll say that. That's a fact. It's like, you're my best friend. Really?
Like that, motherfucker? Oh, fuck. They're just seal killers. Or penguin killers, rather. They don't even look like a real thing.
They look like a character in a movie. That looks like a dinosaur's mouth. I know. It's a giant wolf mouth attached to a beautiful seal. So they're a seal that's evolved to be extremely predatory.
They killed a researcher a few.
years back. Yeah, it doesn't surprise me. All people need to know about the ocean, and all they need to remember is that everything in it is there.
to fuck you up. It's monster soup.
Yeah. Everything in there, like the jungle, is designed to either sting you, bite you, poison you, or in combination.
Yes. And they are eating each other at a staggering rate, because that's all they do.
And if you go into their world, they're gonna fuck you up.
Did you see the video of the kayaker in Hawaii that got attacked by the leopard shark? That's why I don't.
kayak. Odds of not having that happen when you don't kayak? Fucking.
zero. Fucking zero. Yeah, the tiger shark one freaks me out, man, because that thing was just. that wasn't a mistake. There's people.
I used to live in San Diego, there are people who would stand up paddleboard out to Catalina. And have those experiences. Like, no.
Fuck you and your experience. No.
There's so many sharks out there. Or if you do that, and you get eaten, I'm not gonna say, like, you should have known better. Oh.
Oh, that's the people that got swallowed by the whale. Yeah, the whale swallowed the kayak. And they were inside it for a couple seconds. And then the whale's like, what is this?
That's not fish. Oh my god. I have not ever seen that video. I think he's probably annoyed with that. Stand up paddleboarder's like, I probably should, I need to get down.
Get my base a little bit better. Can you imagine? No! No, I cannot imagine.
Imagine seeing that happen. You're out there like a moron on a paddleboard. He's like, Jesus. Oh, Jesus. I'm getting ready to be eaten.
now. They're turning on us. They're tired of us whaling. Imagine if whales just all of a sudden start fucking people up.
Have you not seen the stories coming out of the killer whales that are teaching each other? How to sink boats. Yeah, because they think one had, like, a traumatic experience with boats when it was younger. So it's passing on this beta of, hey, maybe you should fuck these boats up. Yeah.
Don't go in the water.
Small insight from a maybe orca expert. Chad Ochocinco?
A maybe orca expert.
He's a very big orca fan, I know, but he said they're teaching. They're using the boats to teach. I'm trying to find the note where he was saying that. Yeah, teach how to sink boats. No, teach how to hunt is what he was saying.
So they're using the boats to teach them how to hunt. They just happen to be in the area. Oh, wow. I can't find the tweet. He might have responded to someone.
I saw him say that. Well, that kind of makes sense. Interesting insight, if that's what's happening. They're probably also annoyed with people. Why is it on Chad Ochocinco's?
He's the one who he talks about orcas all the time. No shit. On top of eating McDonald's a lot.
Are we talking about the football player? Yeah. Or ex-football player? Yes.
This might have been a couple days ago. He tweets a lot. He's a funny character. He said he saved all his money flying Spirit Airlines and wearing fake jewelry. Why not?
Why not? The first two years he played, he lived in the stadium.
Good for him, man. A buddy of mine, very close friend of mine, played pro ball for 10 years. He actually lives near Austin. His name's John Wellborn. And some of the stories he has about watching people come into ungodly wealth.
Oh, yeah. And then what they chose to do with that ungodly wealth that, of course, terminated into not having anything are shocking.
Well, it's not that shocking to me. It's like you're poor your whole life. You're waiting for the moment where you become a baller. You become a baller. You're also young and impulsive.
You're wild. You're playing football professionally. You're probably getting dinged up all the time. So you're always in this sort of semi-compromised state of chaos. And then, on top of that, all the teammates you have are driving Rolls Royces and wearing diamonds.
And I want a fucking diamond.
I want a Rolls Royce. Some of them are. And then there's people like John, who would go to the Goodwill and get like a jacket with the felt pads and rent a Ford Taurus for a year from Hertz. Good for him. It's like wear the role models for those other people who, it's like.
I get it. I don't come from that world and I don't understand what that would be like, but I almost feel like the NFL or any organization like that should be responsible to provide at least guidance and knowledge when it.
comes to finances. You're talking to the wrong guy because I would be balling. I'm telling you, if I was in the NFL, I would be right there with him. I'd be balling out of control.
I think you'd be smart enough. I'd be driving a Ferrari. You'd have a baller account and then you'd have, like, this is for a rainy day. You're talking to the.
wrong dude.
Just full sent. I don't have any safety nets. I'm not a safety net type of guy. Ever? No, I'm a keep going.
guy. What'd you do when you first started becoming famous and started coming into money? What's like the first craziest purchase you had? Cars.
I always wanted cars. It was always cars. Cars are my favorite, by far. That's what.
John, he talks about the day he became a millionaire when they slide a check across the table. He immediately left and bought a Porsche.
Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about. I got a super turbo. That was my first cool car. Toyota super turbo, like 1995 or 6, I think it was.
It was awesome. I was happy.
Would you zero it out, like you'd come into money and be like, fuck? yeah, let's.
just put it back? Yeah, put it back to work. My manager thought I had a gambling problem when I first started making money. Put it to.
work, by investing in cars? By having fun. Okay, that's a different story. Yeah, put it, it's fun coupons. Okay, I agree with you on that too.
Especially, you know, I was in my 20s and didn't have any real responsibilities other than feeding myself. I had healthcare, so like, let's go.
Your mindset still cannot.
be that way, though. No, right now it's not? No. No, well, now I have responsibilities and I have children and I have employees. I have a lot of stuff going on.
I have a lot of people that I have to support and take care of. And so, and it's not, it's cool. I like it. It's good. But I kind of still operate the same way.
I just keep the foot to the gas. Let's go.
I want to have fun. What's your theory on passing on wealth to your family?
I think a little bit's good. A lot is bad for.
them. I think it fucks them up. Succession?
You ever watch Succession? No. I just finished it. Did you finish it, Jeremy? It's fucking good.
God damn, that's a good show. Woo, and the way they ended it. Whoever wrote that, bravo to you.
Is it about what we're talking about?
It's about rich people and their family takes over. The dad is the matriarch. He's essentially like, he owns this Fox News type organization and the kids are all fucked up because they grew up billionaires. They grew up, you know, insanely wealthy and they just, it's just nuts. It's a very interesting show.
Very difficult subject to tackle the way they did and make people relatable, but they really did it. It's great. It's just like, they're all fucking crazy. It's just, if you know, like, I played the lottery a couple times when I was young. Thank God I didn't win it.
Thank God, I didn't win it. Thank God. Like, people don't know. You shouldn't get a lot of money when you're young, and you shouldn't get money easy. It's like, you want to be working.
Work and reward. You want reward for your work. But I'm a person that when I get reward for my work, I like to be generous, I like to spread it around, but I also like to have fun. And I feel like you're not around for very long. You don't, life does not, I'm 55 years old.
If I'm halfway there, it's amazing. That means I did something incredible. I bypassed, I passed rather the life expectancies of the vast majority of the human race. So, what am I supposed to do? Am I supposed to not do the things that I really love to do and I enjoy?
Like, what? It's like, why would I hang out with someone I don't like? There's so many people I like. There's so many great people that I can just have conversations with and chill. Why would I hang out with someone I don't like?
I don't want any of that in my life. I want fun. I like fun.
It's an interesting balance. I mean, essentially, people are trading their time for money. Time that they could have been doing other things that they wanted to do, but I remember, I'm, I think, yeah, I turned 46 this year, so you got 10 more laps around the sun.
on me. Look at you, sweetie. You look like you're 30 years old. Imagine all the stress that you've been through and you look so good. You got some good genes, son.
I think it's because I don't pay attention sometimes. I think that helps.
I think that helps.
It's, you know. I really do think that helps. I try to not take too many things too seriously. Don't get me wrong. I can get stressed out like a motherfucker.
Sure. But I remember being younger and I thought that getting money, like you have, like, I need X amount. I don't remember what that dollar amount was when I was young. It was probably a thousand bucks, but it was about getting money. Now, I look at it, you know, my dad's getting ready to move to Montana.
He just sold his house in Santa Cruz. They're starting that process and we've had conversations about money, and, you know, what he made on the house, what he's going to do with it, and my theory in talking with him is, if I were you, I would try to arrive at the end. Broke. That last check for five bucks? Bounce that fucker.
Yeah. Why not? I mean, at some point in your life, if you can't flip the perspective and go, hey, I have spent so much of my time working for other people, likely, because very few people work for themselves comparatively.
What's the point of this treasure chest if you can't go and at least do something that you want to do?
Yeah, for sure. That's what you should be doing with your life, if you can, and you really should avoid working for other people, if you can.
It's harder said than done.
Especially when you're young. Yeah, very hard. Very hard, but it's also people, it's all the steps you take, right? Because most of the steps that people take, especially when you get a conventional education and then you get some sort of a master's degree or a doctorate, like, man, that's a lot of invested time, and there's opportunities that are available for people with those degrees, and it's a general course that you've been on. You're on a path.
And if you're on that path, it's very difficult to work by yourself. Work for yourself. Well, you're. also.
leaving out the immense amount of debt that most people accrue at a really young age in their life, associated with those paths.
Yeah, and you can't get out of it. It's the most.
evil shit ever. A couple friends who were lawyers, actually, to this day, I'm yet to speak to a lawyer, and I'm sure that they're out there, but resoundingly, the same thing they say to me is, if I didn't owe so much money in student loans, I would do something different. Yeah. They don't enjoy it.
Yeah. There's a lot of people like that. A lot of people like that that live their life in that way, and it sucks.
But, yeah, it's very difficult to not live like that, but it is possible. But it's about the path that you take. If you continue on the path of working for other people and wish that you work for yourself, nothing is going to change. But you can escape. It can be done.
People have done it. Many people have left the corporate world and started businesses and started doing things for themselves that they love doing, whether it's a hobby, whether it's knife-making, whatever the fuck it is. Yeah. A lot of people have done it. It's just not easy to do.
But it is, in this day and age, easier than at any other time because of the Internet. Because you could post cool shit on the Internet, and then people share it, and then people contact you, and the next thing, you know, you've got a thriving business. It does happen now, more than it's ever happened before. There's a path to do it if you create things. But, you know, it's certainly easier said than done.
And again, the path that most kids get put on from primary school, from high school, from college, most of that path is in entering the workforce, entering business, entering some occupation. And generally, you're working for someone when you do that.
I think that I did not have zero seconds of education past high school, for clarity, and barely met the bar to graduate high school, sir, but it can take what I think about education with a fucking grain of salt. But the predatory lending around education, to me, I think, should be completely revamped and illegal. I just, I think it saddles young people with a debt where it limits their options so deeply that it makes working for yourself, unless you're just doing it in the microscopic amount of off-time that you have, almost impossible.
Yeah. It's very hard, and the sick part is that they're taking these young kids, and they're doing it in a way that they, not only do they have these loans, but if they go bankrupt, they steal all those loans. It's the one thing that, no matter what, you owe. And why? Why is that?
How come? you can lose a house, and lose a car, and lose your money, but you can't go bankrupt and write that off? It doesn't make any sense. You can write off credit card debt, you can write off business losses, you can write off all these things. You go bankrupt, and there's a penalty for bankruptcy.
Your credit sucks, you're fucked. Very difficult to get a loan. Very difficult for people to trust you again. You have to earn that trust back. And even then, it's always going to be a stain on your record.
But you can do it. People have done it. A lot of people have done it. A lot of people have filed for bankruptcy. Big, famous people have filed for bankruptcy.
Like presidents. Yeah, those guys. Chapter 11s. They've gotten out of debt. But you can if you own student loans.
If you owe, rather, student loans,
you're fucked. I wonder why that is. I'm sure there's a justification.
for it. Because they love you, and they want.
you.
You probably know the terms I would use.
That's what it is. It's love. It's all love. The United States just wants better people all around, and they know that if they pay for everything, you're just going to be a fuck-off and smoke meth. So you were saying that,
but before we started, you were talking about how you think that society is as close as it's ever gone to just circling the bowl.
Yeah, we were talking outside. I think we're as close as I've ever experienced to a complete societal collapse. And I don't think that people recognize how close we are. Because if the whole country goes the way San Francisco and Portland have gone, we're fucked. If it's just madness.
all through, my friend John Joseph sent me a message that he was in New York City, and he said the amount of migrants that have made their way to New York City, it's fucking insane. He said they're everywhere. And he said the mayor is asking people to house them in their homes.
Yes.
Why don't you house them in your homes? This is how ridiculous the left is. This is their solutions for these problems that they've created.
First of all, they made New York City a sanctuary state, right? Or a sanctuary city. But then I think they rescinded that. I think the numbers were overwhelming. See if that's true.
But... Let's just Google the first one. Sorry, Jimmy. Eric Adams asked people to take migrants into their own homes. New York City, Mayor Adams unveils plans to house migrants in houses of worship.
Private homes are next step, he says. New York City will now begin housing migrants in houses of worship. Its latest attempt to manage the more than 72,000 people who flowed into the city since last spring. 72,000 migrants. And most of them illegal, right?
Standing in City Hall rotunda flanked by dozens of religious leaders, Mayor Adams announced the creation of his faith-based shelter programs Monday and hinted that his next step would be enlisting private residences to house migrants. Private residents to house migrants in their homes. What in the fuck? This is an opportunity built on crisis, he says. Like, what?
Okay. We don't need to read that. I fucking hate politics. But look at that. This is an opportunity built on crisis.
No, no, no. This is a disaster. The faith-based community has never been off our radar. They've always been part of everything we do here. Especially when we need them to house people.
Holy cow. Yeah, it's nuts. They're fucked. So John Joseph said, he sent me this text message. He's like, dude, it's getting wild down there.
It's really crazy. There's so many of them. He said they're everywhere. It's nuts. It's like they've essentially let anybody in.
Like, there's zero background check. Like, how much do they know about people? I know they've busted a few terrorists trying to make their way through. But how many do they miss? How good is that net?
I don't think it's as good as most people would think. I don't want to give anybody ideas. But I don't think it would be that difficult if you were truly motivated and put a little bit of thought into it to figure out a way to bypass border security. But then there's also the... San Bernardino is a good example.
People can get radicalized just through information. You don't even have to actually cross a border to have access to the information or ideology to become radicalized by it. So there's the issue not only of people wanting to do harm to the country coming in, but that's the con, I guess it would be, of unfettered information to whatever type of information you may be searching for.
What do you mean by that? There was a
shooting, a husband and wife pair in San Bernardino. They went into... I had one of the responding officers on the podcast who actually ended up killing, I think it was the husband or the wife. But they went into a, I think it was a holiday related party and just started going to town. They had never left the country.
They were radicalized on the internet.
Jesus. Radicalized for what?
In this particular instance, I believe it was radical Islam.
So they were American citizens who were radicalized, and who did they attack?
Other American citizens.
And what was the location? Where were they?
Are you able to find it, Jamie?
Was it like a town?
Did they go to a mall? No, it wasn't a mall. The word is escaping me right now. But
like a city center where there was an event.
Attempted shooting and attempted bombing occurred at the Inland Regional Center in San Bernardino. Oh,
this was a while.
ago.
I remember this. There was a dispute where Apple did not want to give them access to the phones. Correct. Yes, that's right.
I don't think Apple could give them access to the phones. I think they asked Apple to help crack the phone and Apple said no.
Why didn't they just ask the CIA? Like, we've got that.
I don't know.
They don't want to admit it. Look at all the text messages. We've got all the memes. Look at these funny ones they send.
I don't want to let anybody down, but I don't know if the CIA is as capable as some people think that it is. Let's just say Jason Bourne is not running.
around out there. Well, I don't think Jason Bourne's running around out there, but I do think they have surveillance abilities far beyond what we can.
imagine. 100%. And I think for anything that they may bounce up constitutionally, whether they choose to respect the constitution or not, if they choose to respect the constitution, all they do is they outsource it to one of the allies, who can then inwardly look, and it achieves the same thing.
Someone contacted, someone from the intelligence community, contacted Tucker Carlson, said that they knew that he was having poot, not, because they had read his signal messages.
Laughter.
Laughter.
He's like, you read my signal message? I didn't even know you could do that. Oh, yeah. Right. They're encrypted.
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