#2015 - Zach Bryan

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What's happening, baby? How you doing, Joe? Good to see you, brother.

How you doing?

And we're drinking Bud Light, ladies and gentlemen.

Sorry, guys. Sorry. We're fucked.

There's nothing wrong with it.

Mm-mm.

Cheers, sir. Cheers, brother. These people are so silly. We were just talking about how silly it is. One person made a really stupid decision, and now everybody's decided that Bud Light is the enemy.

The reason... I've been drinking Bud Light and Bud Light, so like my entire adult life. And then on Twitter, I defended my sister's spouse, and people were like... People were pissed. And I was like, I didn't mean to do this.

Well, you know, people... The culture war in this country is so goofy. It's so overblown. And a lot of it is people just not talking to each other. It's people talking through social media and talking through narratives, and it's just...

It freaks me out. Yeah? It freaks me out. And, being so public, you too, as well. It's so scary.

There's a lot of self-censoring, but I think it's important to speak your mind. I think it's getting better. Yeah, it's just more people have to do it, and then more people... You know, people are worried about the repercussions, but you have to understand that when you're a person like yourself or a person like me, you're communicating to millions of people. And so you're going to have a certain percentage of them that are upset at everything you say.

And you only have one life, man.

Allegedly.

Yeah, I guess. I'm not sure about that.

I'm not sure about that. Do you have a feeling? you've been here before?

No, I saw your podcast, like two years ago, about the infinity thing. Yeah. And I kept telling people about it. Like in Oklahoma and stuff. I'm like, what the...

Isn't it weird that that freaks people out? Like, it freaks people out. Like, I love life. I love my family. I love my friends.

Have you seen that Black Mirror episode? No. Not to be that guy.

No, no, no. I've seen a bunch of them, but...

There's a Black Mirror episode where they're in a cabin, and this guy's in prison for infinity. And he's talking to this guy over and over and over again. Wow. And there's the new one. The new season came out.

No, no worries.

It's crazy.

It's an amazing show.

It freaks you out. It's my favorite show. It's a great show.

My wife won't watch it with me.

Really?

She thinks it's scary. Really? She gets freaked out by it. She doesn't like things that could be real.

I get that. I get that. A lot of people, when I bring it up, they're like, I don't know. And I'm like...

Did you ever see Heavy Metal? Uh-uh. That's the one where the robots are chasing this lady?

Oh, yeah. Yeah. The dogs.

I didn't like that.

I stopped watching it. That one freaked me out too much. I was like, no way.

That's so close to real.

Well, the one about the murdering, too. There's one where this chick murders. Oh, yeah. And she gets in this white lie of trying to hide from it. She's hiding it from her kids and stuff.

Yeah. Yeah. Crazy.

Wow.

It's so close to real. It's so close to real. There was a World Economic Forum video that they just put out about people going to work and wearing earbuds. Have you seen it, Jamie? Going to work and wearing earbuds that monitor your brain waves.

Is this a show? What is this?

It's just a video explaining how in the future... See if you can find it. I'm seeing the people talking about it.

Dude, you saying this reminds me of yesterday. I was in Walmart and I was like walking around and I was like looking for something to buy. And one of the girls I asked the question to, she had an Air Bud in or an Air Pod in. And I was like, why would you do that? You're like walking around work and people are asking you for help and stuff.

And listening to this music. Yeah. Kids do that today. My kids do that. They'll have one ear open.

I was kind of... I didn't mean to be an ass, but I was like... I was talking to the guy at the...

Here it is. Yeah, that's it. Check this out. Yeah, check this video. This is bonkers, dude.

Oh, it's like one of those training videos.

Yeah, and she's wearing these earbuds.

That's scarier than a Black Mirror episode.

But this... The other one's more scary, because it talks about self-censoring at work and monitoring your thoughts at work.

I can see it.

God, I sent it to somebody.

I can see it.

What the fuck did I send it to? I mean, this video on TikTok seems like... I just saw the brainwave thing. you just said. Oh, come on.

Oh, it's just a little later in there?

Yeah. Okay, so I'd only seen part of it. That's it. Keep it rolling.

Oh my God, this is a nightmare.

This is Black Mirror.

This is what I hear at night.

Oh, this is fine. Let this play. No, it's before this. It's before this where she's fantasizing about this guy that she... Yeah, that's it.

How do you smoke pot and watch stuff like that?

I love it.

That's crazy.

Back up.

No way.

Come on.

Imagine all the shitty things you've thought of at work.

I know.

And your boss knowing.

Congratulations on your brain metrics.

You know what's crazy about that? You know what's crazy about that? I feel like the world right now, with all of our phones, is the same way. Because your phone knows everything about you. And people can do that.

It's getting there.

It feels like it.

The idea of being able to collect data on everywhere you walk... I remember when I was... I guess it was like... I want to say it was like... 99, 2000 was the first GPS thing that I had.

I remember when Garmins came out and my grandpa was going crazy. He would put it on the dash of his truck and he's like, we're going to Texas and we know where we're going.

Yeah, you had a map with you all the time. But the one that I had in the early days... I only had California, because that's all the data it could fit. And the California data was on like a CD-ROM or a DVD. I can't remember which one it was.

Thinking about it now, what's freaked me out the most in the last year of my life has been friends of mine and people that I've met and things. I got a flip phone like six months ago. I was like, man, I called you on it. When I first started talking to you, I was on my flip phone. Because I was talking to a friend of mine and it was like...

It's weird.

It's six years. That's like seven years ago. I can read Snapchat. Because I saw the map with all the fucking heads on it. And kids are growing up like this, bro.

It's crazy. My kids use it constantly. They're always tracking their friends.

I'm 27.. I'm not allowed to say that yet.

You're still a kid.

I don't know what age. that is where you can start saying to kids. Which is cringy to say.

You can say it at 27.. After 25, you can kind of say it occasionally.

That's how I feel. After 25, I was like, holy fuck, man. Life is not...

Then, once you're 30, you're like, oh my God, I'm a grown up.

I was told at 30. you feel more settled.

Depends on who you are. Sometimes people aren't happy at 30.. And then they start panicking more because they haven't got anything done.

I don't know about your 20s. I don't know what you did in your 20s. But my 20s have been like this crazy roller coaster. It hasn't stopped. And I'm like, holy shit, this is what they meant by the 20s.

I mean, you're just over being 10..

Yeah, literally.

You were 10, 17 years ago.

And you feel like you know everything. And when you're 22 and 23,, it's so scary.

Of course.

Decisions and shit you make. It's crazy.

You got into making music. Well, I say you were successful making music while you were still in the military, right?

Yes.

How old were you?

22 when I started. Wow. I started putting videos on Twitter. And it was psychotic. It was crazy.

Right.

And then, man, one... I was training in Florida. And one day I put like four or five videos up. And they just went like crazy, viral. And I was like, cool, neat.

At that time, did you have any... What were your aspirations about recording?

No, I didn't even know what it was. That's why all my beginning records are shitty.

You never thought...

They're not shitty, but... See, when I recorded this, I was about to like go inside. I was like, whatever, I'll just throw this on the internet.

This is like an iPhone.

And it was like the number one voted. Reddit video in the entire world, I think. I don't know. But I was like getting calls from people. I'm like, what the hell is going on?

Really?

Period. No. I thought I was going to... My old man was in the Navy for 25 years. He was a master chief.

So, when you made your music, you just made it for fun? You make it for yourself? Did you plan on...

No, I just wanted to be a writer. I think writing is like the most beautiful thing in the world. Because I used to read, like Steinbeck, books and stuff when I was a kid.

Yeah, poems are one of those ones. people are embarrassed to say that you are.

Exactly, yeah. And I never... I don't get that nowadays. But I do if you're 16 or 17..

Why? Because the people that aren't embarrassed when they talk about poetry are annoying. Yeah, they are. They're annoying.

Oh, man, you should be mad.

That's the problem.

People talk to me about writing. I'm like, man, you suck. Please. Please don't. I don't want to read.

I don't want to hear it, man. Some people just want to unload on you.

Because it's almost embarrassing to write vulnerable stuff. Yeah. But it's not at all. At the same time, it's like you have one life, you know?

But it connects with people so much. The vulnerable stuff, it connects with people. It resonates with people so much.

And people act like you should be ashamed of it.

Well, it's just... People are ashamed of emotions for some strange reason.

It's strange. It's really weird to talk to people about it.

It's very stupid.

It's very stupid. At the same time, so many people are drawn to them. I have so many happy songs and people always love my darker ones. And I'm like, this isn't my fault. You guys all lean towards this.

I think what stems from is people criticizing people who lose control of their emotions. Like people who are too emotional. So it could be any little thing that goes wrong in their life. And they break down, start crying, and think the world is out to get them. Like that is...

Other people in your childhood who were just crying all the time. Yeah.

There's some people that, just like... Anything that goes wrong in their life, they think the universe is out to get them. God damn it. Have you ever seen Africa? You ever seen people that are living in third world countries?

Wake up every morning. so happy to breathe here in America. I wake up every morning. I'm like, holy shit. This could be so much worse.

That's like when this whole border crisis thing is going on. I'm like, listen, if I was living in Honduras and I had no way of making out and I knew that I could walk all the way to America. My cousin was going to do it. My brother was going to do it. It's going to take us two weeks to walk to America.

And you have to think about that being a story in itself. Yeah. For you, as that person who's like, I'm going to go make this trek and make this journey in my life to make it better. That's like an odyssey, right?

Well, people do what they have to do in order to make their life better. And when there's nothing you have to do because your life's pretty fucking easy, then people find all sorts of stupid shit to complain about. There's like a level of dissatisfaction that most people just contain all day long. And a lot of it is like they have a lot of dissatisfaction with their own self and they don't address that. So instead, they find all this dissatisfaction in the world.

It's weird you're bringing this up because I posted on my Instagram. I had to bring it up, but I posted on my Instagram last week this thing called the Catastrophe of Success. Have you ever read that? No. By Tennessee Williams.

Oh.

There's this paragraph. at the end. He talks about how success just made him like… You got to…. Sorry. Hold it up.

I'm so sorry. No, don't pause it. Okay. No, I want to read it.

You got to read this. Yeah, yeah. Okay. You know then that public somebody you are when you have a…. Yeah, you can read it.

Okay. You know, then, that the public, somebody you are when you have a name, is a fiction created with mirrors, and that only somebody worth being is the solitary and unseen you that existed from your first breath and which is the sum of your actions. And so is constantly in a state of becoming under your own violation. And knowing these things, you can even survive the catastrophe of success.

Wrong paragraph. I had one job. It's the one above it. But it talks about what you were just saying that people get so content in their lives that they make…. Like the only thing worth it in this life is conflict.

Yeah.

You have to have that conflict and those stories and those things that make you suffer to be happy and content, which is just crazy to think about.

Yeah. It says this is an oversimplification. One does not escape that easily from the seduction of an effete way of life. Is that how you say that? I don't know.

I've never seen that word. until I saw this. I was like no way, man.

You cannot arbitrarily say to yourself I will not continue my life as it was before this thing. Success happened to me. But once you fully apprehend the vacuity of a life without struggle, you are equipped with the basic means of salvation. Once you know this is true that the heart of man, his body and brain, are forged in a white hot furnace for the purpose of conflict, the struggle of creation. And that, with the conflict removed, the man is a sword cutting daisies.

And people who are content, that's what it means. You won't be happy without the conflict.

You need struggle. And that's very unfortunate.

That's what I've dealt with a lot lately in my life. The touring life and things like that. Being successful in anything, it's just hard, I think. Which that's so... I'm not trying to...

No, it is.

But I'm not trying to bullshit anyone. Yeah, of course.

It's not like you're coal mining.

Exactly. I'm not being like...

In the 1800s. Yeah. And you're 12.. It's fucking complicated.

Complicated is better to say than hard.

It's also super bizarre because there's not a lot of people you can talk to about it.

Of course. There's no one who relates.

It's hard. I've tried to talk to a bunch of different people about it early on. And everybody has a different take on it. And it's interesting to see some people, as time has gone on, they've dealt with it less and less well.

Which is crazy to think about. You would think, as you went along the route... You'd get better at it. Yeah.

Yeah.

A lot of things... It's just been insane. And that really... Every time I feel, however, I'm stressed out, I'll just read that. I'm like, cool.

For me, that's why exercise is a key component of my mental health regimen.

I've learned that.

It's more mental health than anything.

Personally, because when I was in the Navy, I was running like... I was running marathons on the weekends. Because I loved it so much. Running, I've always ran a lot. And I've lost that along the way of being a musician.

I always try to tell other comics that. Because a lot of comics do not like to take care of themselves. It's like part of the fun of being a comedian. You're just lazy and crazy and you're doing drugs.

As a musician, too. Yeah.

It's a part of the thing. But I always tell them, your body is literally the race car that you're maneuvering around life in. And if you can give that race car more horsepower, if you make it more robust, it works better. It works better with everything. It thinks better.

And people don't want to believe that, because it's easier to not. But it's also more fun.

But I'm fucking lazy.

It's also fun, though, to not care.

To go crazy.

But then you realize it makes it so much worse. That's what happened to me last year. Because, I mean, I wasn't being crazy. I wasn't shooting up or anything. But we were just drinking so much and we weren't working out.

That's the real problem with booze. That's the real problem with booze. Unnoticed, yeah. Booze is so much worse for you than weed or mushrooms or anything else. Booze is the worst.

Exactly. It's the worst drug.

But it's also really fun.

It's the most fun thing you can do. It's pretty fun. People give me shit all the time because my sister sobered up a long, long time ago. And we always talk about it with each other in a way of, like, balancing our lives and things like that and drinking and all that.

Yeah. It's a balancing act, for sure.

Did you see Huberman's podcast on alcohol?

No, I didn't. It was terrible.

I watched it. Yeah, no. I watched that, man. I was like, never. Really?

Well, you're getting a lot of carbohydrates.

Exactly. And I didn't realize that. I woke up every morning, like, full. And I'm like, what? I just can't eat breakfast.

So many calories. Yeah. If you're drinking 12 beers, shit, that's a shitload of calories.

And, I mean, our days are so long. Like, being a musician, people don't realize how much fucking time you're just waiting around. Right. Because you get to the venue early and then you wait around all day to play. And then you play and then afterwards everyone wants to talk.

There's stages of guys drinking less, and one of them is they go to the tequila stage. Like, tequila doesn't give you hangovers, man. Tequila's bad. Right? Bullshit.

You're even saying tequila makes me want to just gag, man. I can't do it. Even the smell of it freaks me out.

That's probably my favorite drink.

Interesting. Yeah.

Wow. Now. It doesn't fuck me up as much as other ones. I, like, when I am purposely trying to get fucked up, it's whiskey.

Of course. Yeah, me too. So I had to stop drinking it. But the older I get, the more I realize, like, dude, you're not invincible. You can't do this.

Do you ever do? IV vitamin drips after you drink?

I tried them once and it made me feel worse. So now I'm, like, scared of them. Yeah, I did it at a festival one time because I was just—I did ACL. And I'm not—ACL's amazing and everything. It's awesome.

But you felt worse?

I did feel worse. It gave me a headache for some reason.

I don't know. That's interesting.

Because what you want to get in— There's always those IV companies at, like, the festivals and things.

What you want to get in is glutathione. That's a big one. It actually helps your liver process alcohol. A lot of people take glutathione while they drink to actually help their liver process alcohol.

I was literally about to ask, can you do it simultaneously?

Yeah, you can take—.

Be needled up and drink it at the same time?

You could. I think that would be cumbersome. But a lot of people take liposomal glutathione. It's a way it gets in your bloodstream better. You, like, squirt it into your tongue.

Wow.

To speak about technically.

My body, like, hit a wall, because I was so— I was so, like, in the Navy, and it was so physical. Like, it was so physical, and, like, you had to be in such great physical shape. And then, like, all of a sudden, it was, like, out.

Right. Do whatever you want.

Yeah, and now it's like, you're free. And I was like, okay, let's go. It was crazy. It was crazy. I waited, like, eight months to— It was just such a crazy story.

Do you ever think about taking, like, a trainer with you on the road?

I think we're doing it next year.

That's a good move.

But I hate— There's something in me. It might be my ego or whatever, but there's something in me. It's like, no, you can do it yourself.

Well, you can, but will you?

Exactly. That's what's hard.

If you haven't so far.

It's so unexpected. Well, I mean, I have.

But you know what you could do? You could make, like, an agreement with the guys that you work with, like, where everyone's going to do a specific amount of working out every day. Like, you're going to do, like, X amount of days a week, and you have to do, with each workout, 20 minutes of cardio, 100 push-ups.

That's cool, too. It builds camaraderie. We've been doing better this year on the road.

But if you, like, have something like that where everybody can complain about it and talk shit about it and have fun with it—.

That's when people do their best, man. When there's a market they've got to, like, compete with, it's cool.

It's also, like, a bonding experience, and it's also—you know, it's a shared experience. It's like you're having a fun time, and you're getting stuff done, and it'll force you to do it. Like, you hold each other accountable, and just do it for a month.

Only thing I'm going to do for the next month is play pool. Yeah. Yeah. You've got to get better. You've got to get a pool, man.

Yeah. I play a lot, though. It's not fair.

I thought—I'm telling you when I say we did, too.

Yeah.

A lot. Like, too much. People, like, refer to it when they're talking to me. They're like, how's pool? It's crazy.

Well, there's pool that you play in a bar, like on a bar table, and then there's tournament pool that you play on a tight-pocketed table.

When I showed up and the guy started telling me the rules, I was like, I'm sorry. What?

That's for nine ball. Of course. Yeah, but we play eight ball.

It's the best game in the world, besides, maybe, like, poker.

I love it. Me too. I love it more than anything, because you have to execute. It's one of the rare games where it's not just knowing what to do and figuring out little puzzles, but you have to execute. Like, you have to control your body.

You just put words to how I feel about it, too. Yeah. I've always thought that. I'm like, how is this game so damn fun?

I think that's the same thing that people get with golf, you know, because you have to execute. You have to make the shot.

Golf, man.

Do you play golf? No, I don't. But Jamie's an addict.

I can't do golf.

Jamie just got back from a tournament.

I can't do golf. Something about it I just can't do. You'll get there. It's got to be the shorts. I'm just kidding.

It's a super addictive game. That's the only reason why I've never messed with it. Really? I don't want to get addicted. Like, Tony Hinchcliffe and him and Ron White and a lot of my good friends are full-on golf junkies.

I've been living in the Northeast, and there's a big—it's like there's a lot of—I feel like in golf, you have to go out and, like, there's a lot of work involved in getting into golf. Same with, like, sports like lacrosse and stuff like that. There's just, like, a lot of shit you got to have to play.

Oh, yeah. Golf. You got to have—how many fucking clubs do you have? You're supposed to have 14 or so in your bag, plus your shoes. There's rules about what you got to wear out there.

I feel like a dork when I do that. If you walk into—you're not a dork. if you do that, because some of my friends do it, but you walk into a bar with a pool stick, it's like— Yeah. I'm not—and also people are like—they don't want to play you. at that point.

But the thing—like, I never play pool much. Bars.

That's what you're saying out there, yeah.

Real pool halls. Yeah.

Does that make a difference?

Yeah, way different. Yeah, those people are—.

Maybe that's why I think I'm so damn good. Yeah, you're playing with lemons. Because I've been playing ball. Yeah. Yeah.

But a lot of pool players that are really good go to bars, because people do think they're good at pool. And they'll go and talk shit. Hustle up, man. Someone will try to gamble. The next thing, you know, they're walking out of there with 10 grand.

Yeah.

I have a bunch of friends that have done that.

We do the dumbest shit at bars when it comes to pool, because we'll, like, be drinking beers all night. It'll be, like, midnight, and someone's like, I'll bet you on this one. And then, like, the whole bar, will, like, get around, you know, and just watch us play. It's crazy.

Yeah.

It's psychotic.

Yeah, gambling.

It's scary.

Dude, I was in Vegas with Dana White, Taylor Lewin. Who else was gambling? Will Compton. Who else was gambling? Will was gambling.

But he can also go the other way. Yeah. That's why people do it.

It did go the other way. He made his money back, and he won, like, $65,000, I think. And then he backed out.

He's like, that's it. People will just gamble on anything. We'll just go up.

Yeah.

I do this thing every year, where I go to the casino, and I'll put X amount of dollars on red every time, no matter what. And I've never lost, which I'll probably lose now that I jinxed it. But, like, every year, once a year, I'll go and put money on red just to say I can't. Like, whatever. That's good.

You, like, go – I'm going to send you something, Joe.

Bunch of stains on the couches, man. You're like, what is going on? You go downstairs, and, like, your buddies, are, like, smoking cigarettes and, like, those fucking sticks on the lottery machines. or what, the slot machines.

Yeah, the slot machines.

And you're like – it's like a dungeon. And you're like, oh, no offense to anyone who gambles, but it scares the shit out of me. I'm like, bro, imagine. It should. Yeah.

It triggers some things in your brain.

There's certain things, though.

This is Dana. He's on vacation in the Amalfi Coast. And this fucking dude brings a casino. He had a casino. come to him.

Bro, who's that kid next to him? That's his son. That's crazy.

So he's – look, he's got stacks of cash.

That's baller, man. Good for him. No, it's not.

That's sickness. Who knows? He brought a goddamn casino to his boat.

My thing is, man, if you can do it, you should do it if it makes you happy.

Wow, look at you, all open-minded.

No way. I guess. I guess the last year of my life has made me like that.

Well, that's a good way to be.

No one lets you do what you want to do. Or me do what I want to do. Like when it comes to socially, like on the –.

Well, what do you want to do?

I just think everything is so micro-analyzed. Yes. You know what I'm saying?

It's just so many voices. That's what it is. Agreed. Like we were talking about earlier. Like, if you go on social media and you read comments about you, you're reading the opinions of literally millions of people.

It's like gambling, man. It's either one way or the other. It's crazy.

The problem with social media, though, is the negatives far outweigh the positives in terms of the way it makes you feel. Like when you see someone get ganged up on in the social media – I've seen it happen to people where they're like – they say something on a podcast that people disagree with. It's some culture issue or medical issue, and people get really mad at them. And then you go to their timeline and you see all these people hating on them. I just imagine what that does to your psychology, to your mind, when you're reading.

Well, being from like individually, it freaks me out. Individually, like from the inside out? Yeah. And also, if you see someone, get –.

Ganged up on.

Fucking, socially ruined.

Yeah, yeah.

What freaks me out is like what would have that person done artistically if that wouldn't have happened? What would have that person done for the great – for the good of people?

Sometimes.

You know what I mean? Yeah, it's possible.

It's just either way.

Depending on what it was, I mean.

Either way.

It's just fucking scary.

There's a thing that people do. What it is is they're terrified of it happening to them. So people know. it's a thing that people can gang up on people. It's the same reason why people jump people while, like 10 guys will beat up one dude.

So it doesn't happen to you.

It's like a thing that people are doing or they're so afraid of being ganged up on social media that they just gang up. Like the most neurotic people, are also like, oddly, the most aggressive about attacking people.

It's weird. I saw on here like two years ago. Sapiens, that book.

Yes.

I read it because of this podcast. And in that book somewhere it says that like people are only supposed to be in groups of 150 people, like villages. Yes. Yeah. And I had this rant in Denver, Colorado, like two weeks ago.

Well, you know what that's from? That's from how we evolved. Yeah. That's what they think. at least.

And imagine the vulnerability it takes to be you or me. And like in your life. a lot of people think they know you at the 150 level. Right. But you know, you don't know me personally.

What is this one, Jamie? I'm just trying to find one that has the explanations of it on the screen. Yeah. How many friends can a person have?

I think about this more often than I should when it comes to like looking at my phone and like seeing how many followers I have, or the bullshit that comes with being socially active. You know, it's crazy. Yeah.

Well, it's something to think about, because what I think is happening is human beings evolved in these tribal groups. And now we're evolving a new consciousness that is actually global, because it went from being in small tribes to larger communities, agricultural communities, cities, millions of people, countries, and now the whole world. And that's a completely new way of interacting with people that has never existed in the—.

It's so much heavier than people make it out to be. I feel like people are like taking it lightly, which obviously a lot of people aren't.

I don't think they're aware of it. I think it's just something that you're kind of dealing with, because it's just there. You know, you're tweeting and you're looking at the news and, you know, the news cycles. Now the news cycle is literally 8 billion people.

I haven't talked to anyone like this in like four years, because I'm so fucking scared, man. Not scared of anything in particular. I'm just not scared of the world either. But you know what I mean? I just like—it wasn't worth it to me.

I just didn't feel the need. Why risk people getting pissed off at you?

Yeah, about something silly. Yeah. And I went back to Oklahoma recently. I've been in the Northeast for like two years, three years. And I went back to Oklahoma, man, and I had some time off, and I just sat in the grass.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Crazy that he said that. I'm like, he's right, man.

Duncan's a genius.

He is a genius. And I watch his episodes religiously on here because he's just so beautifully articulated.

That's how he is all the time, too. It's so funny because, like we did two episodes, kind of back to back. We did one where we dressed as doctors. And what was the other one?

I remember, man. You guys had the butt. I sound like a fucking fanboy.

Oh, we were furries.

You guys got way too hot.

Yeah, we couldn't. We respect the furries because, like they're putting in work. They're putting in work, those furries.

You guys are talking about it. I was like, holy shit. I can't believe this realm of people exists. How crazy.

Somebody had a good idea the other night. They're like, you should make every guest dress up. No matter how important they think they are, world leaders, make them put on clown costumes. I don't know, man. You can do the show, but you have to put on a clown costume.

I could barely put on a shirt this morning. I was like, what do you wear? What do you do here, man? I've never done this.

Well, I saw this Johnny Cash shirt sitting in my closet. I was like, this is perfect.

It works.

This is the perfect shirt for the show.

I thought you were working out in it. I was like, okay, shit. No. Should have did it.

No, I shot bows this morning. Got a little workout in. Came straight here.

Where do you shoot bows around here? At your place?

Yeah. Yeah, I have a range.

No shit.

Yeah, I have a range in here, too.

I can't imagine you just waking up and being like, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to head over and shoot some bows, man.

It's good for your mind, man. Has to be.

Anything you focus on.

Yeah, I mean, forget about bow hunting, but just archery. Just archery, like shooting at a target, is so good for your mind.

That's why doing anything, writing for comedy, probably. Writing music. Yeah. Dude, you're just focused.

Right, you're in there. You're locked in.

And I wish I could just be in that state forever. All the time.

But you don't, man. You gotta love it, like you love sex. You don't want to fuck all day, every day. You'd get bored. True, I'm there.

I mean, I'm not there now. I love making music and stuff. But even touring, like playing the same songs. Right. I love doing it because the people are so beautiful.

Yeah, you just gotta reset. Like those people are seeing you in many... You know. what I call the Joe DiMaggio principle? Is that Joe DiMaggio was playing once, and I think he was like 40 years old.

My dad says that to me every time I go on stage. And I think about it too. I think what I do when I go on stage, I look out at the audience and I pick out one kid. Whoever it is, I pick out one kid who's in it, and I'm like, man, this one's for you. That's how I do it.

What does it feel like when they sing along? Is that wild when they know the lyrics?

This year has been weird because last year was such a crazy year for us growth. wise. People used to love it. Now I'm getting no arrogance attached. I'm just getting big enough to where people are like, man, I go to his shows, can't even fucking hear him sing.

Yeah, but they should be just taken in that experience. That's what it is. You're not going to change it. You're not going to get everybody to stop singing. Hey, stop singing.

That guy sucks, man. Whoever that guy is, sucks ass, man.

I hate that guy. That guy stormed the Capitol.

Yeah, of course, man. Of course. Of course. And it's so sick, man, because we had Charles Wesley Godwin on the road with us the first year and the second year. It felt like when I was watching him open for us or whatever.

Yeah, I've been to the Majestic, yeah.

And the venues in San Francisco, the Warfield. You look around and all this architecture is so beautiful. And you're hearing your opener sing and you're like, this is a chapter in something. This has got to be something. This is beautiful.

When I was in Greece last week, I got to see Guns N' Roses in Athens.

They're always playing Not In America. Bro, my dad always is like, I saw them in Japan. I'm like, why?

I think they played everywhere. I think they play a lot in America too. But it was just dumb luck that we happened to be there. And I ran into Axl Rose at a restaurant. And Axl invited me to the show.

I don't get it. For three hours. I love that, man. Do your thing.

It was intense. And it was like 95 degrees out.

We were talking about earlier how hard the road is and stuff. And I'm like, man, what's going on?

Well, Mick Jagger, when the Rolling Stones were here, they played CODA, the Circuits of the Americas. My friend owns it. And he was explaining to me how they brought two trailers. Two trailers that are just Mick Jagger's workout equipment. Two trailers full of shit.

Still moving, man.

I mean, every day that guy works out. Every day. Has to. He has to.

Like we were saying, it'll kill you if you don't.

He's Biden's age.

That's crazy. Bro. That's insane.

He's Biden's age.

I want to talk.

Look at him out there.

And doing what I do at 27,. I look at this and I'm like.

He looks great. Yeah. And dude, he's moving around. You know, like. he's not stationary.

As a young person, man.

Look at him, go.

As a young person, that's not easy.

No, man.

These guys, because they're devoted, man. Yeah. They're so into it.

And the show was epic, right? So it's at this outdoor racetrack. And they have these giant fucking screens. This huge stage. And you're seeing Keith Richards and Mick Jagger right there.

Those guys are so iconic. Sometimes I wonder if they ever think about it. Like, do they ask themselves the same questions that I ask myself? Or not? that sounded shitty.

They were so young when they hit the scene. You have to stop and think about the 1960s.

Was their dream to become massive musicians?

No, I don't think anybody could have imagined they could have been the Rolling Stones.

That's what freaks me out.

There's no way anyone could imagine being the Rolling Stones. Exactly. You think Taylor Swift imagined she'd be Taylor Swift?

No way. Maybe.

Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe, her.

There's so many talented people too. Yeah. That's what freaks me out being me. I know, like three chords on a guitar and I'm like, ooh, what's up? And there's so many people that, like I, get in these circles of these astounding musicians who aren't nearly as big.