2023-11-29 02:45:06
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As far as like cage fighting commentators.
That's what you're classifying yourself as.
Pothead comedian slash cage fighting commentator.
Cage fighting commentator.
I got a pretty solid IQ for that.
No, that's great.
So you said it was the average, there's 16% of America that has below 85 IQ?
Correct. So that's the cutoff for military service. So they can't take somebody in.
This is the kind of talk that started Hitler off. It's like, when they start getting some masquerade eugenics. Because you know, like, I would never, ever say that people shouldn't breed. I would never say anything like that. You wouldn't?
I would never. Are you serious?
If we were in Elkhonny camp, I'd fucking tell you that. But publicly, I would never say that.
You would never say it on this podcast?
Yeah. I mean, here's the thing. I don't know what my parents' IQs were. What if my parents were, you know, like, what if they got IQs and their IQ tests were really low? But I mean, isn't it possible that someone who's not that bright, has a super smart kid, like, they?
give them enough vaccines, and the kid comes out a genius?
I hope that's the case for my kids.
God, I hope so. I hope they got a little bit more than I do.
Yeah.
Life's hard when you're stupid.
Oh my God, it's so hard when you're dumb.
God.
See, I've had conversations with dudes, and like, halfway in the conversation, I'm like, this poor motherfucker with his dim light bulb.
Typically me. That's the way I feel. Where I'm like, ah, I'm running this thing to the red, you know? Like, I've got max RPMs going on up here, down here. Yeah, I had dinner with Eric Weinstein.
Yeah, see, that's what I'm talking about.
It's crazy. I'm just trying to, like...
Impossible to keep up.
It's like, you're at VO2 max, and he hasn't even, like, stepped off the curb mentally. Yeah, he's even sweating. Yeah, he's like, let me explain this to you. He got out the crayons and drew me some pictures. That's not how that fucking works.
Dude, he literally wrote, I don't even know if it's been disproven. See, this is the thing, the stuff that he discusses is so complex, that there's only, like, what's the amount of people in the world that could even argue with him about it? But he wrote a theory of everything.
The theory of everything.
And he announced it on this podcast. He, like, published this theory, and he's putting it out there for people to judge. And I don't know how it's been received. I don't know. But how would I know?
I mean, I would never understand who's... Like, one of the things that I've learned during COVID, this whole trust the experts thing, suck my dick. Okay, that's nonsense. There's a lot of these people that are fucking full of shit and bought and paid for. And I don't trust just the experts anymore.
I trust some experts. I trust. if I can understand what they're talking about, and I know where maybe their conflicts lie, I can see, well, why would they be ignoring certain studies but highlighting others? Oh, there's a conflict of interest. Oh, there's some money involved.
Oh, maybe there's a revolving door, and they can get into some nice agency or some corporation after they're done with the agency. I can kind of look at that, but it takes time. With this shit, what he's talking about, I have no idea who the experts are. I have no idea. He's literally talking about a theory of everything.
And it was Brian Callan and me, and it was a wild conversation.
Did you even get to talk?
Yeah, yeah.
With Brian Callan and Eric Weinstein. How much did you get to talk?
I got to talk like 10% of the time,
which I felt was... That's a solid number.
Yeah, that's a solid number. Like, I showed up. I got up to bat. I can't say I ever hit the ball, but I was at least participating. I wasn't just breathing.
Dude, I've had conversations with Jordan Peterson, where we've had a three and a half hour conversation. I've talked for three minutes.
Now, that does not surprise me at all, because he can go.
He can go. That guy can go. Yeah, he can go. He can go.
Have you watched those The Monk debates with him? Yes, yes, I did. Those are incredible.
Amazing, yeah.
Him and Malcolm Gladwell,
that debate when he... Yes. Douglas Murray.
Yes.
Jordan Peterson. That thing was so good, because I just love watching those guys intellectually eviscerate people, because it's hilarious to me.
I do, but it becomes a bit of an intellectual rap battle, and that's what I don't like about it.
Yeah, okay.
I just feel like it's beneath those guys, and when I see guys like Malcolm dunking on people, I'm like,
shouldn't we just be discussing the data? Instead of trying to invoke an emotional response from someone. I understand why you would do that if you were fucking with someone, if you wanted to have an argument with someone, but what is this publicly for? Why is it public? Well, it's public because we're trying to understand who's right and who's wrong.
I want to know why you think, the way you think. Right. There's clearly many different schools of thought when it comes to many cultural things, and people are fiercely opposed to the other side. I want to know where you're coming from. If you're dunking on people, now, I do know where you're coming from.
I don't like that. First of all, it's not anything that funny. If you're going to do it, be good at it. Be fucking funny. Also, it's not necessary to this argument, this discussion.
You should really be talking about why you really believe what you believe, and what you think is wrong with this opposing opinion. Not just being silly.
I love the debate stage. I love that forum for two people to take a topic. I used to watch debates. I think PBS used to do a series on just, they take one topic and they chew it up and they figure out where's the crowd before and then where was the crowd after. They're fascinating because when people are going from opposing points, they're going back and forth.
if they stick to facts and they don't get personal. That's when it actually starts to get like, really now you're just kind of being personal. You're degrading the actual conversation. It's not a fight. From my perspective, you look at it, it's kind of like watching a match where you're watching two guys go back and forth, hit for hit.
Seeing guys like Jordan and Douglas Murray, or some of those guys really flex, it's pretty funny to me.
Sam Harris is the goat at that. when it comes to religious debates. That guy's the best at that shit. Because he has this measured tone and he never loses his cool and he has so much fucking information. That's when I became a fan of his, is watching those religious debates.
Because sometimes when people believe a thing so much, they haven't ever looked at the thing, the way someone who doesn't believe in the thing looks at it. When you get a guy like Sam, who's so eloquent and is not buying it, and he has a bunch of really logical reasons why he's not buying it, some of them are pretty funny. When he brings those up in front of you and then the audience is laughing, it's like, ooh, this is a tough spot to be in. Because they're trying to pull out all the stops and try to figure out why you're right.
When you've got that much power to not only debate somebody on a subject with an encyclopedia of information and be funny, so you can be charismatic, you can be logical, you can keep a measured tone, that guy's pretty fucking skilled.
Oh, he's a wizard at that shit. Yeah, he's a wizard at that shit. It's a game, you know. It's like jujitsu, it's like chess. It's like you're playing this game, it's a bunch of moves, and you're trying to figure out who can get their moves off.
But I think people genuinely want to know, like, did you ever see that movie, there's a documentary about,
God, what was it called? The one about Gore Vidal and,
what's that guy? Best of Venom. Yes, Best of Venom.
No, I haven't seen it.
Gore Vidal. and, what's the fucking other guy's name? I always forget his name. William Buckley. Yeah, William Buckley.
So Buckley's the conservative, and Gore Vidal is the, and they aired these, I think it was on NBC, is that what it was on? ABC or NBC?
Oh, yeah.
But it got huge ratings. Like, they were losing in the ratings, and this was kind of a Hail. Mary. Have William F. Buckley as the leading conservative, and Gore Vidal, who's this wild liberal.
And so they were on, moderated on ABC?
Yeah.
ABC, news coverage of the Republican National Convention in Miami. So this is 1968.. They're fucking great, man. Because, one of the things that people are knowing through, learning, through podcasts, when you talk about guys like Eric Weinstein, or guys like Jordan Peterson, or Sam Harrison, people want to hear people talk. They want to, there's, the people that are above that 85 IQ, you know, what is it, 84% of the population?
Yes. The people that are above, those fucking people want, they want to hear how interesting, intelligent people are discussing ideas. Yeah. And you don't see any of that shit on TV. No.
Except Bill Marshall. But even Bill Marshall, there's a lot of people talking over each other,
and it's got a,
it's an hour. Everything's got to fit in an hour. It's on HBO. Yeah. Which is why I think he's doing his own show.
He's doing his own podcast now.
Yeah, it's like After Dark, or something. Club Random. Yeah, okay, there you go. It's very good. I've seen it.
It's very good. And he's really himself in that. Like the Bill Mar, if you want to chill with Bill, and have a drink. He really does a fantastic job of just being himself.
Isn't that, isn't that interesting when you, when you think about Bill Maher and his, you know, his kind of outward appearance from his political point of view, which is typically going to be left.
Yeah.
And then guys that go on a show, and they have this really complex, interesting conversation. But for, for a bunch of people, they won't even watch Bill because he's left. Yeah. They won't even watch. So they're going to stick in their echo chamber.
They're going to continue to kind of propagate out speaking points from either platform. And they're never going to go out and watch different things just based on a person's political view.
Yeah. Joining a political party, or being in a political party, like ideologically in your head, is not good for you. No. It's bad for, like, there are a lot of things that people who are on the right believe that I agree with. And there's a lot of things that people on the left believe and I agree with.
And I refuse. I refuse to be a part of this left versus right thing. I think it's stupid. I think it's bad for us. I think it's a trap.
Yeah. I think it's a really dumb trap in America. And Bill Maher says a lot of really wise shit. And he says a lot of shit about culture that goes against the ideology that he's a part of being. He's as deep in the Hollywood system as is humanly possible.
He's a political host on a show on HBO. I mean, that's, like, deep Hollywood. Right. You know, he knows where the sex parties are at.
Because he's probably the guy setting the pin.
Yeah, he knows who's wearing the goat mask. You know, like, if there's a fucking Illuminati in Hollywood. Meanwhile, you know, he does all these jokes in his monologue about transitioning kids. Right. About, like, maybe we shouldn't just break out the dick saw right away.
I'm like, yo, Bill is going for it. That's because he never stopped being a comic. Bill Maher, out of all these guys that become hosts of talk shows, he never stopped just being a comic. He never stopped touring. He never stopped doing all of his live shows.
Never stopped being a comic. That's what separates Bill. Because there's a lot of these guys. Look, man, you get a job like the host of The Tonight Show or something along those lines. You are fucking set, baby.
Let's go.
I'm buying a Ferrari.
I got a house in Maui.
You know, like, you're balling out of control. And there's a lot of, like, pressure to keep that going and to appease the people that would make those decisions. And to also be as marketable as humanly possible to everybody out there in the world, so that you can maintain this job. So, whether or not there's, like, verbal – why don't they sit you down and say, hey, this is what you have to say. You support a woman's right to choose.
You support immigration. You support, you know, racist – IDs are racist. They're, like, things. you have to say. You're with the vaccine, aren't you, Jimmy?
Like, yeah, I'm with the vaccine. Like, you have to – they don't necessarily sit you down and do that. But you fucking know. You fucking know.
I mean it's unwitting or witting, essentially extortion to a certain degree, because you're saying if you don't cooperate, you're going to be on the streets.
And you're not going to get picked for stuff.
No.
Like, it's a – but it's a tyranny that, like, if there's one person or one group that has the overwhelming part of discerning who makes it or who doesn't make it. They have the ability to choose who's the rock.
Yeah, yeah.
They have the ability to choose.
Because let me tell you something. As good as Tom Cruise is and he's a great actor, as good as Brad Pitt is, he's a great actor. There's some unknown 28-year-old that can do exactly what they can do right now. Exactly. It's not – it's a different kind of skill.
It's not like boxing. Like, we don't know who the best boxer is. We fucking know who the best boxers are. You know? We watch them.
Right.
These guys are out there in, like, little plays and shit. And you have no idea how good they are, because they don't get chosen yet. And there's thousands of them.
And they're all trying to go to the same spot with a very limited amount of slots for them to get into. Yeah. I mean, think about what they have to do.
And a little window of time.
Yeah. Because you've got to get in there while you're attractive. Yeah. And your skin still looks good. Yeah.
Whatever. I mean,
look at those guys. They're running it as far as they can. I mean, how old is Tom Cruise? Like, 80??
He's 1,000 years old.
Yeah. He's a vampire. Like, he could be.
He looks fucking great.
He looks awesome. And he's still jumping out of planes. Like, he's flying planes. He's jumping out of planes.
Broke his fucking ankle on a stunt jumping between two buildings. There's a video of him shattering his ankle. Yeah.
Like, that guy, regardless of, you know, all the crazy stuff that he said.
I think the crazy stuff he says is a good part of it. You think so? Yeah. I think that's why he's so good.
Listen, man.
I swore off dating actresses when I was, like, 27.. I was like, they're just too much work. Just do crazy. Especially really good ones. Yeah.
Because I'm not saying if you're a really good actress, you have to be nuts. But, boy, it would help. Yeah. It would really help. Because they can lock into a role in some fucking insane way that, you know, like, they're crying.
Screaming and crying. And nothing happened. But they're pretending. But you would think their mom just died right in front of them.
Yeah.
It's crazy. The ability to do that is nuts. And some people just have it. And there's a lot of them out there. And I would imagine if you're really good at that, like, you, don't think Daniel Day-Lewis is crazy.
Oh, man. He strikes me as one. He strikes me as, like, he also strikes me as fascinating. Oh, yeah. What's going on in his brain?
being able to compartmentalize emotion and do the things that he's done. Those scenes from There Will Be. Do Every Blood. Yes.
Holy shit, dude.
Dude, when he. That's when he crushes that guy's skull in the bowling alley in his basement. That might be one of the single greatest scenes in movie history.
Intense.
He is so intense. He's so perfect at that role. And the camera angles and the way that they were feeding that to the audience was so fucking brilliant.
So good. I drink your milkshake.
And he's, like, making the straw, like, this is my straw there. Like, that guy, is incredible.
He's incredible.
Have you had him on the show?
No. I don't even know if he does that.
Yeah, here we go.
Jesus Christ.
Like, everything.
Jesus Christ.
Just everything.
Beat that guy to death with a bowling pin.
And then every little piece of that was put together perfectly, from the way that his face was contorted to the level of breathing that he was participating in. And then, as he falls down, this is just so incredible.
What is it?
I am the third revelation.
I told you I would beat you.
I told you I would beat you. We're brothers.
We're brothers. We're brothers.
Amazing.
I don't remember what he did. What did he do? that he's beating him to death?
I can't remember either. I think he just.
I mean, who knows? I looked at the individual scenes of the movie and I was like, this is fucking awesome.
Oh, he's insane. Yeah. He's incredibly good. I think it would help. I think that's what's helping with Tom Cruise.
I think being nutty helps.
Yeah. You have to be. Yeah. Or at least maybe how much.
Have it in you. Maybe you can keep it together most of the time. Do you know? there's people that they keep it together most of the time, but if something goes sideways, there's like a little switch that you see, go off in their head. And you're like, oh, the other Brad is here now.
Crazy Brad is here. I've known a few of those guys. Of course you do. Of course you do. I've known a few of those guys.
We both know guys like that. So there's places that some people, they don't have that room in their house. And this guy's like, I want to show you this room. And you open it up and it's a fucking gigantic man cave with tanks in there and fucking garage lifts and pistols all over the wall. You're like, oh, I didn't know you had this room.
I like it when you discover people that are secret preppers, that they keep it way underneath their overt personality. Right, right, right. I was shooting this shit with some guy a couple months ago, and he's like, so you do any prepping? I was like, oh, yeah, I love it. It's awesome.
It's like, you know, I don't play fantasy football. I like participate in these, like, you know, preparation games or whatever, because it's just an interesting thought exercise to walk yourself through. And, oh, by the way, if something happens, you also have kind of a group of contingencies that you can operate from. And he's like, OK. And it was like.
I passed the test because I was like, yeah, man, let's go. And then he started unpacking everything for me. Oh, yeah, I got a shipping container buried on the property. Oh, wow. Yeah, that's cool.
So do I. Yeah. I like that. I like it when I see that stuff.
Well, it is a good thing to know. You know, Mike Glover's great at that, which got him labeled a terrorist.
I think.
He's fucking explaining to people how to repair in case things go sideways and they're like, you are a problematic individual. Yeah.
I don't know how that happened. Well, I do know how that happens. How did it happen? Well, I think you have a bunch of people within the federal government that that have a political agenda and or they don't understand. They see any and everyone in the country that owns a firearm is some type of, you know, threat at some point.
And they have to be what I would say is familiar with all aspects of America. They have to really understand, like, hey, there's a group of people out there that prepare for the worst, hope for the best. That's what they do. And they're really into it. And just because they're going to the range with a group of friends and they're preparing doesn't make them domestic terrorists.
It just makes them prepared.
Yeah. And here's the thing that I think people should put in their heads. Does everybody remember it? Let me speak to people that live in Los Angeles, because this is where it gets rare. Does everybody remember the lines outside the gun stores?
Do you remember, during the riots? There was lines outside the gun stores. Listen to me, kids. Keep that energy. Keep that energy, because that didn't go away forever.
That was just a couple of years ago. And the weirdness of life, the weirdness of the way the world works, some shit could pop off anywhere and everywhere. That's real. That's a real possibility. We all saw what just happened in Israel.
It's a real possibility that some shit could pop off. And to bury your head in the sand and pretend that that's not possible, that doesn't help anybody. It doesn't help anybody. And to prepare? Why is preparing bad?
Do you think that's part of the cultural differences between people, just in general, between red and blue, and people? What I would say is, the question is there's people that are really individual. They want to take accountability. And there's other people that are like, I want to bury my head in the sand.
And I want the government to take care of everything.
Do you think that's part of it?
It's part of it. But there's also, there's a weird denial of possibility that comes along with not wanting preparedness. And it's one of the rare times, when I look at someone like Mike Glover being labeled a terrorist, it's one of the rare times I go, well, there might actually be a conspiracy to keep people weak.
Yeah.
They might want to look at people like that as resistance to authoritarianism. And they want to squash that. It's one of the rare times where I don't look at it objectively. I look at decisions like that and go, oh, you like weak people. You only want weak people.
You don't want people to challenge you once you get into power. You don't want people to say, hey, that's against the law. Or, hey, this is not the way we're supposed to be operating. You want people to just comply. And when no one's armed, people comply.
And when everyone's armed, it's really hard to get people to comply, especially if they're kind of in agreement, if there's a large percentage of us that are in agreement. Like, no, you can't listen to all my phone calls. You're just a person. Whether you work for whatever fucking agency. If I'm a guy who works at a tire shop, who doesn't do anything wrong, and you want to listen to all my phone calls.
What? You're just a person. What you should be. Look, if you find a guy who you know is fucking wearing a suicide vest, is about to walk into a wall. You know something's going on.
Yeah. Listen to that guy's phone. And if you've got a chain of terrorists that you're studying and you need to listen to their phones. Fuck yeah. Listen to their phones.
But if a guy just likes to can peaches and he owns a couple of nine millimeters and an AR, you want to listen to his phone? Hey, man. Fuck you.
Wait, did you, did you see where this was last week, or maybe the week before last? They were talking about how they had TSA air marshals following people that were in D.C., not even at the capital. But they were in D.C. during January 6th. So they just been following these people around the United States.
Have you seen this? What? Yeah. They were saying they don't have the resources over the Thanksgiving travel period to staff the security needs from the like airlines because they had people that were air marshals, I believe. I mean, I'm scrolling through this following people that were just in D.C.
They weren't even like implemented in anything. It was wild.
What are they following for?
I don't know. I think I mean, I think there's a level of intrusiveness in the government that is just at some point we have to say it's unacceptable. Like, I think, you know, I mean, obviously, this is a long podcast. We don't need to take down the temperature just yet. But I think, man, I don't quite understand why they want that level of surveillance activity around people that quite literally might have only been in D.C.
during that time period.
I think, the amount of pressure that they're putting on people to let them know that if there's ever anything like this again.
Yeah.
This is what's going to happen.
Right.
Everyone's going to jail. Yeah. People that shouldn't go to jail are going to jail. If the cops let you in the door and they give you a tour, you're going to jail. Like, we're going to call it a violent insurrection.
And everyone's going to jail and we're going to let you in. We're going to open up the barricades and we're going to have federal agents in the audience encouraging you. Right. To go into the house. And then, when we're under oath, we're going to say we can't answer whether or not federal agents were inciting people to go into the Capitol.
Like, how ethically inappropriate do you think everything about that is? It's so bad. Dude, it is so bad. It's so bad.
Yeah. If this was happening from the right, if this was Trump doing this, people would be losing their shit.
Be losing their shit.
You should be losing your shit. if it happens in any political party. This is wild.
It's wild. I think, I don't know, and I'm not, by any stretch of the imagination, going to fix it, but I think, you know, the Bill of Rights is so important. And for people to understand what it means and clearly differentiate between, OK, this is states, this is federal. You know, why are these things so important? Individual liberty comes with responsibility.
That's the other piece to this. It's like you and I love freedom. Like, to be fair, it's quite, quite literally, my favorite thing.
It's pretty, fucking awesome.
It's awesome. Yeah. Like, you, can never have too much, I don't think. No, I don't think so. Because I'm going to take accountability.
I'm going to be responsible for my actions. I'm not going to mess with other people. I'm not going to impede on their ability to pursue happiness because I'm responsible. But I think, you know, that's me. That's you.
I think there's a whole other side of the country. They're like, hey, I don't want any responsibility for this. It's just, it's too much for me.
Yeah, I think what you're saying is so important, because I think freedom without responsibility is what everyone's scared of.
Yeah.
You know, when people talk about gun violence or they talk about crime or anything, what you're talking about is freedom without responsibility. Even illegal immigration, it's freedom without responsibility.
And accountability and responsibility, and, like, having things that you have to do, is what we need more of. That's what we need more of. You want to have more freedom? We definitely should have more freedom. But we should also have more people that are taking care of their life.
They have their shit together. So what we should be doing? instead of trying to take away freedom, try giving people the tools that they need to be more accountable and to do better in their life and to get their fucking shit together. Like, that should be the number one emphasis, not taking away your rights, because some people can't handle it. Right.
You know, there's just...
And that equals everything, right? So then it's like, we'll say that the highly motivated people that are going to, that will live their life with virtue and courage and pursue all of what I would say is Western philosophic principles.
I think we can, we collectively can be trusted with that responsibility. But then you have that other piece that's saying, I don't want to have anything to do with that. I'd rather have a safe, secure existence without any accountability or responsibility. Yeah. I 100% agree.
That's why I, and this isn't like, it's not meant to be like over complimentary, but I think that's so. this show and other people like you and Jocko and Cam and Jordan, whomever else, that it's kind of out there in the ecosystem. You guys are putting really good information out into the world. I was, I was, uh, to reference your podcast with Lex that he did, maybe like a year ago. He was asking you straight up advice.
Like, how do you, how do you make yourself better? How do you be a better person? You're answering saying, Hey, this is what worked for me. Well, you're obviously successful. You should be propagating that out into the, into the country, into the world, having men and women, everybody else saying, fuck, yeah, I'm going to take more accountability.
I'm going to be more responsible for my life. I'm going to live radically free, because that's fucking cool.
That is what people who live in cities don't like. If you live in a city and you're in an apartment building and you're an urbanist, so you have a scarf and you're going to get your latte and you know, you, maybe you're getting an Uber or you're hopping in the subway. Like what you like is infrastructure. Yeah. You know, you like everything to be set up for you.
Oh, we have dinner at the Italian restaurant at seven 30.. Great. You go over there, you, you eat food that someone else prepared. You get a glass of wine that someone else grew the grapes. You're not doing shit other than consuming.
And this is what you enjoy. We're going to go to the play. We're going to go to the opera. We're going to go see a film. Oppenheimer's out.
We're going to go home. Oh, this person is at the fucking comedy club. Let's go see that. Let's go, you know, let's constantly consume. And those people, like people, say, no, you need to get in shape and you need to start eating.
Well, like, Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh, I'm not interested in this at all. I want someone to wipe my ass. I have a, I have a seat on the toilet that sprays water up my ass, so I barely have to wipe anymore. It just hoses my ass down. I press buttons.
I go to sleep. I take an ambient. I go to sleep. I wake up in the morning. I go to Starbucks.
Yeah, it's, it's, it's almost a prescription, for what I would say is, if you want to live within the, the, the safety and in the sanctuary of an urban environment where you've got everything mapped out to you. So you've been indoctrinated under a system of like bells and whistles. that conformity means everything in academia, which is don't, don't, don't, don't stick out. You know, like be on time, be best in class, make sure that you're, you're hitting all your bells and whistles when you move directly into that urban area where you're also working from nine to five, or whomever, you know, or, or whatever. It's like 60, 70 hours a week, but everything is laid out.
It's very lockstep conformity all the way through. Dude, I have zero interest in doing that. That sounds like a prison to me, to be honest with you. That sounds like a fucking prison.
Well, that's what's fascinating is that these people that we're talking about that live in these urban environments, that have jobs like that and are not interested in physical health and are going to restaurants and doing all the things. Those people are the most fucked up. Yeah. They have the most health problems. They have the most mental health problems.
I'm just guessing. I'm just guessing. But I know a lot of people that live in urban cities that are on SSRIs. Right. I know a lot of them.
I would like, you know, like there's that 15% of the people that have 85 or below IQ. What percentage of the people that live in cities that live like that are on antidepressants or some sort of psychoactive medication?
I read that too. I think it's, I think it's about the same. I think it's almost equal. There's another, like 10% of people out there. So when you think about the numbers, depending on how much overlap there is, there's 50 million people between, you know, below 85, and then that are what you would say is clinically depressed and or on some type of psychological drug.
Right.
So that's like 15% as well.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's almost equal.
Yeah. I wonder how much of those are confined to urban areas.
It's got to be higher.
I think it's a, it's almost a math thing. It's called standard deviation. There's like always going to be a certain number. that are, you know, 15% this way, 15% that way. You know, what's interesting with depression is that no, no one takes into account how well you're doing.
Right. Don't you feel better when you're doing well? Like when you have a good relationship, you got a good group of friends, you got to, why don't we think of that as medicine?
I, I think about it like I've had a lot of time over the last, I would say a couple of years, to try to like turn the bolts on this, to figure out what it is that's like, makes me happy or creates more endurance or energy, or whatever it might be.
And there's this eudaimonia. Have you ever heard of this? No. It's like this old Greek term that they would use to define happiness and fulfillment through hard work and accomplishing your goals and objectives. So it's essentially being happy in establishing very difficult criteria for yourself and then adhering to it.
And it's, it's older than the stoics. And I realized I was like, oh, that's, that's kind of what makes me tick. I love just grinding myself into moon dust. Like we were talking earlier. I was like, I'm running this whole machine in the red all the time.
Right. It's like I'm five, seven, 160 pounds. So it's like I got to work, to put out physical energy, to even keep up, you know, in a special operations team or, or whatever previous profession that I've had. I've got to push this thing to the red, carry weight, to carry enough energy that I can accomplish a task. And then, when you're floating just above maybe an average IQ, you also have to run this thing in the red.
There's no like plus or minus 5%, dude. Like. I have to get in and grind myself into moon dust every day. And I got to wring the sponge out of it. If I don't, well, I'm going to be just average, because I'm, I'm average.
Yeah. That's a thing. Like, but you, you found ways to use the way you think about things and, and figure out a path in life. I think the difference between a guy like you and these people we're talking about is some people are just looking for a place to plug in. And I think that's where the despair comes from.
I think the despair comes from not having a real purpose, like not having anything you really built or anything that you really feel proud of, or anything that you really feel like. Like your company, like Black Rifle is creative, as well as like really great coffee and cool people. And it's all veteran owned. It's like something to be proud of. It's like a real thing.
Like you go there, people are smiling. It feels good. You've created this amazing business. Like that's, that's a very different feeling than someone who's in some corporate structure and you know, there's fucking all these weird rules and laws and, and social things you have to do in the office in order to get ahead. Right.
And you have to, you know, you have to learn how to play golf.
Yeah. Jesus Christ. Even if you don't like, even if you don't want to play.
You got to play golf. You want to make deals? You got to play golf.
You got to hit the links on the weekend and, like suck up to some other guy that, you know, pleaded front docker, wearing like back slapping guy that you're like, ah, man, like. maybe he's a cocksucker. Yeah. Maybe he's a complete dick.
Yeah. Maybe he's going to be a dick. And also, if he's a dick and he's good at golf and you suck at golf. Oh my God. You're never going to win any of these fucking conversations when it comes to business.
Or you really just want to do something else? Like, but I've got to go play golf every weekend.
You really want to make folk songs.
Yeah. I want to play acoustic guitar or be a, or I, I used to like, uh, have that conversation with guys at the agency, because there, there are people that just, they weren't into the mission. They, to your point, it's like my purpose, my mission, and kind of the way that I've laid things out was, I've always had to work for something bigger than just myself. Like, I can't just be really selfish. It doesn't even compute my DNA.
I have to look at something from a bigger purpose, look at the mission, the goals and objectives, be somewhat altruistic, and then just fucking dive in. Then you can be, you can be selfless in some of what you're doing and you can kind of behave as a cog in the wheel, which I think is actually a really important piece to development is how many people have ever worked as just a number, just a number in a machine. Right.
You don't feel valuable.
No, no, you don't. And creating value with a team, with a bigger purpose. I think that's what guys in the military and guys from my background, as they transition out, they go through. what I would say is a, is an existential crisis, because their life has meaning. Their essence is clearly defined.
They're, they're, they're striving to accomplish a big goal and objective. that takes complete intellectual and physical capitulation. And when they get out, they're like, now we have all this freedom, 360 degrees. Well, you have to lay your own life out. You have to redefine your purpose and then drive in as deep as you can.
I think they go through a significant existential crisis.
Well, that happens to guys that get out of prison too.
Yeah.
Guys that get out of prison, a lot of them want to get arrested and go back because they're more comfortable in jail.
Right.
They don't like the freedom. They don't like this new life. All their friends are still locked up. Their social connections are locked up out in the street. They're a pariah.
They're an ex-con, you know.
Some of those things are like transitioning into, uh, you know, the professional environment, especially from, from the team room. Like I was in a team room my entire life. And I mean, you know, me, uh, you know, better than most, which is not politically correct. I couldn't build an ecosystem, nor could I have a, I could have ever survived in the corporate environment, because my mind doesn't work like that. Like I, I have the diplomacy of a sledgehammer sometimes, and it's not.
But at least there's a place for a mind like yours. Yeah. The thing is, when you're a kid, they tell you there's not.
Right.
When I was a kid, man, I was fucking, absolutely convinced. I was a loser.
Really?
Yeah. Yeah. Fuck up in school, big fuck up in school, you know, always, uh, getting kicked out of classes for making fun of things. Never had any work ethic at all. The only time I worked is when I like, if I needed money to buy a car or something like that, I'd get a job.
And I'd do that. But I was in hell thinking, like, imagine having to do this for life. Like all the, I had a bunch of, my dad was an architect. So I had a bunch of construction jobs growing up and those fucking taught me that I don't want to do that. Right.
Like I had a whole summer, I worked with my friend Jimmy Lawless and we, I carried cement bags and pressure treated lumber all summer. It was like, I only worked there for like a couple of months. I'm saying all summer. I don't even, might not have been a couple of months, might have been a couple of weeks. I was 19 and I remember really clearly going, I am never going to be able to do this because I would leave at the end of the day.
I was toast. I was done, man. I'd try, I'd go to the gym to work out. I had nothing. I was just so tired.
There was not, and I realized, like, okay, I can't do this. I don't, I admire people who can do it. You can just show up for work every day. I feel like I'm in hell. I got to find a thing, but I got lucky that there's things.
And you got lucky that there's things. But in school, they don't tell you that there's things. They don't say, hey, Joe, I see how you can't pay attention in class. You're always cracking jokes. Like, maybe you should be a comedian.
Like, no, never.
They're like, you're going to fail.
Yeah, you're a fucking loser. You're a loser. And until I started being good at stuff, I didn't realize that I could, that maybe I wasn't a loser. When I started doing martial arts, that was the first time I was like, oh, I can fucking apply myself to things. I can actually be really good at stuff.
It's just a matter of. I didn't find a thing that was interesting to me until this.
Yeah, it's very similar. Like, you, and I had very, very similar backgrounds. Like, my dad was, he was a logger, so he was up at 3, 4 o'clock in the morning every day. Like, I saw this dude just work his entire life. And he was so committed and so disciplined.
Like, I never saw my dad inebriated. I always saw him with a lunchbox. He worked in the woods my entire life. But I wasn't good at shit. Like, which is also good.
Like, you know, I like to, you know, fuck around with my buddies. And I like to do interesting things, I guess, for that. Like, try to jump motorcycles or whatever kind of random shit you'd come up with. But, you know, as I got into the military, I was like, oh, I'm good at this. Like, I'm really good at this for some reason.
You know, I can run fast. I can shoot. well. You know, I can put together semi-coherent sentences. So, shit, I can be good at this.
And this is something I can, you know, steal the phrase accelerate your life, or whatever. I can accelerate my life. And it was fun, dude. I could jump out of planes and learn different languages and spend most of my life out of the country. But it was the same kind of evolution.
It's like I found this thing that I was really good at. I loved it. And I could just go chips in on it. And it built layers of confidence and allowed me to just build the confidence to say, well, you know what? If I was good at this, I could probably apply this to other things in life.
Yeah.
And it just compounds. Like, the way I built Black Rifle. and why I did was like my mission statement when I transitioned out was to transition out a government service and live a happy and fulfilling life. That was it. It didn't have anything to do with, you know, money or goals or any of those things.
It was how do I define happiness? How do I define fulfillment? And then, as we grew the company after about the first year, it became really evident that I could not only do something, because I had this beautiful family that I loved, like my kids and my wife, and they're giving me so much power and endurance. What if I built this really cool company where you could leave the family that you love and go to work in a company that you love? And then it would become a flywheel.
It would just get faster and faster and faster in your life and create more happiness, more fulfillment. What if I could scale that and give that to other people?
And so far, I mean, it's fucking worked. I feel like I feel so happy and, you know, I feel so like I'm so grateful. I'm just so grateful for the things that I've I've been able to do over the last 10 years. And, you know, I, I tell this to people all the time or go to my refrigerator, pulled milk out for my kids. There's not a morning or a day that doesn't go by where I don't thank my customers, for they've given me this opportunity.
They've given me this opportunity to make crazy are amazing coffee and build this culture of people that I love. Fuck that. That is cool, man.
And it's very cool.
It's, it's them. They did it. They did it for me. I just kind of like have facilitated it.
But it was the perfect thing for you to plug into. Yeah. And to apply your passion into a new direction. What's interesting, too, about Black Rifle. And, by the way, thank you for the cup.
Yeah, man. Evan brought me a mug. This is how thoughtful he is. It's white on the inside. So I could see how dark the coffee is.
That's a real coffee, nerd, folks.
Yeah. It's built perfectly from in. I won't like everybody will gloss over and start tuning out. But it's one to 16 ratio brew method, 30 grams of coffee in and 480 grams yielded. But then you can see it.
How dark is it? How light is it? You can kind of. I built it for the perfect mug. based on how many fingers can you get in through the handle?
What's the weight of it? I also build things that if you have to hit somebody in the fucking face with it, it's got some. It's got some half. Yeah.
Yeah. These little bitches will break easy.
Yeah. Yeah.
This has got a lot more heft to it.
It's got a heavy, heavy bottom in it.
So there's a little bit of thought that went up with that, especially if you get your hand around it. Right. That's how I would do it. Right. I wouldn't hold on to the handle.
I'm not trusting this handle. No. I put my fingers through the handle. I'm looking at this end right here. Right.
Being the most durable spot to hit somebody with. It's got a good edge. This is what I'm looking at. Yeah. You don't hit them with up there.
No. You get them with this. This is what I'm looking at. I'm looking at a nice angle.
See? Yeah.
I like what you're saying. Yeah. This is a good three finger handle too. It's just perfect for my fat fingers. It gets right in there.
I got a pinky in the bottom to brace.
I like it. See? Yeah. That's the thought that went into it. Yeah.
The coffee thought is nuts, man. When I went to your place and I saw your lab, I was like, this is so preposterous. It is. You are such a nerd. The way you measure the exact amount of coffee and you're experimenting with different temperatures by like two and three degrees.
Yeah.
It's so crazy. But you can tell. When you make coffee in coffee camp, in hunting camp rather, it was the most spoiled time ever. We get the most insane coffee. It was hilarious.
We ran out of coffee filters and someone, was it Cody? I think Cody said, oh, we can use a paper towel. You just turned him. We're not using a fucking paper towel.
Yeah. I got angry. I got angry.
You did get angry.
Because he was serious. I was like, you can't. Are you serious? No, we're not doing that. I'll go to the store.
I'll get filters. We're not doing that.
These guys are fucking cowboys. They would throw some fucking coffee beans and throw a rock into a fucking thing and pour hot water on it.
They're just like, yeah, this is whatever.
These guys are animals.
Yeah. They're amazing guys.
They're amazing guys. They're amazing guys. They're amazing hardworking dudes. Yeah. I love those guys.
I look forward to going there every year. Dude. We have so much fun together too. That's such a fun week.
I had so much fun this year. for the people listening, I guess. It's like, I got to watch. you do like 30 stocks.
Yeah. It's a lot of, there's a lot of stocking and blown stocks and missed shots and missed opportunities. And you get winded and elk hunting is amazing, dude. It's amazing.
That bull that you killed, um, paraphores like that thing was so cool to watch. Cause I watched the entire thing and I'll, I'll, I'll recite it from my position, because I couldn't really see you very well, because you'd moved off and I'm looking at him from across. Um, I was on one spur, you were on the other and there's a little valley in between us, but we were probably, I don't know, a thousand yards away. And I'm watching you through my binos trying to figure out what you're doing. Cause I could see the bull and then he got up and I couldn't tell if you were winded or not.
But then all I heard, like I saw him tear ass up the hill and then tumble down. He was dead in five seconds, three and a half, five seconds at the most. And I heard it from across the Canyon. You yelled so loud. We were, and we started laughing, cause you're like, yeah.
And it echoed all the way down through the Canyon. I was like, well, bull down, let's go.
I gave a Ric Flair. Yeah. I gave a giant woo. Yeah. They're the fucking most interesting animal to me.
I mean, I've deer hunted, I've bear hunted, I've hunted axis deer. I've hunted a lot of different animals, but elk to me are like the most majestic. They're the coolest looking. Yeah. They're, they're fucking smart as shit.
When they smell you, their senses are so good. They're, they're always tuned in to what the fuck is going on. And the only time you catch them slipping is when they're hungry, they're tired or they want to fuck.
Yeah.
And we caught him when he was tired. He decided to take a nap. And I was like, okay, buddy, you just fucked up. And I creeped in with my socks on. I creeped in for half an hour.
I was moving so slow cause his head was kind of turned sideways. Right. And I could never tell if he was looking at me. So I had to make no movement. I was inching towards that motherfucker.
And every time you turn away, I get a couple of slow steps and I'd have to stop. And then I'd have to wonder. I wonder if he remembers what he saw when he turned before. And if that fucking tree is closer. I'm wondering if he's going to perk up.
It's so exciting. Your fucking heart's pounding and I'm breathing. I'm doing all these breathing exercises to slow my heart rate down. So much fun, man.
So much fun.
And I'm always, whenever it gets dark around that spot, I'm always wondering about cats.
Yeah. Cause there's so many cats there.
I'm always wondering. What if there's an old one that can't really catch a deer anymore?
He's like, that thing looks good.
That thing looks slow as fuck.
Yeah. It's that orange, and camouflage makes you look maybe like caramel or something.
He smells like sugar. Coffee and sugar.
Yeah. He's like jacked up on RTDs and like.
Yeah. Like I worry about cats. You do? Yeah. But once I saw one in Utah, uh, I was with, uh, my friend Colton and we were maybe 30 yards away.
He stops the truck and he goes, look at that cat. He goes, look at that fucking lion under the tree. I look and I see his eyes glowing and I'm like, oh my God, he's huge. And then I get the binos out. So I'm inside the truck and I'm looking in his fucking face.
Like, like, right. It was terrifying. He was so big. He had these massive forearms, dude, just jacked forearms and his big old pumpkin head. I mean, it was a big male cat.
And I was like, I've never seen one that big. I'd seen little ones before. I saw like a one that looked like it was about like 60 pounds and the other one was pretty much the same size. Those are the only two cats I've ever seen before. And I saw them like very briefly.
This motherfucker was just sitting there under a tree at dusk with the big fucking head, man. And I, it just, the feeling of helplessness was overwhelming that like if that thing decided to jump me, it's over.
You're done.
There's not a thing you're going to be able to do. It's so much stronger. It's a gigantic house cat.
Yeah. Do you guys have cats?
Not anymore. No, but I've had, I've had cats many years, and cats kill so much shit. They kill so much shit.
It's always a debate. Like my wife and I have gone back and forth on like, do we get a cat? Do we not get a cat? And there there's some, they carry some parasite, I guess.
Toxoplasmosis.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Mostly it's the wild cats get it.
Is that what it is? Yeah. Is it from like wild?
It's from rats. Oh, okay. It's a, it is a wild parasite. Hmm. And there's a guy named Robert Sapolsky out of, uh, is he out of Stanford?
I think he's out of Stanford. Uh, psychologist, brilliant guy. Um, he's done a lot of work on toxoplasmosis and toxoplasmosis is the reason why they tell people not to touch women's, uh, women that are pregnant, not to touch their cat's litter box, because it can really fuck the kid up and it can really fuck you up too. But what it does with people is wild. What it does with people is it makes them more reckless, and a disproportionate number of motorcycle victims have tested positive for toxoplasmosis.
Um, some countries. at one point in time, France was as high as 50% of the population was infected by it.
What?
Yeah. It is a wild parasite that changes the way you think. And one of the things it does is it's parasites are so fascinating because they literally can hijack another body and get it to do different things. So they get inside a rat, the rat gets infected with toxoplasmosis and it rewires the rat sexual reward system. The rat now becomes sexually aroused by the smell of cat urine.
It also completely removes any fear that the rat would have of cats. So the, the rat goes towards the cat, the cat kills the rat and eats the rat. The only way the parasite can reproduce is inside the cat's gut. So the cat, which is seemingly unaffected by this parasite, is just making it inside of its body. And then, when it gets out, it affects all the creatures around it.
It probably does affect cats too, but cats are so crazy anyway. How would you know? It just makes them slightly crazier. But with people, it makes them wilder. It makes them more reckless.
Is that why you don't have cats?
No, I probably have it. I probably have toxo. I've, I've had feral cats. I had a feral cat for a while. He was nuts.
He was so nuts that I, when I had to fix him, he was like, uh, I guess he's like. when I got him, a friend of mine, um, had, uh, these cats under her apartment and her and her boyfriend captured these cats, these little kittens. And they, she goes, you want, you want a kitten? And I had a cat already. I'm like, oh, I'll get my cat a friend.
And so I get this fucking cat. And the, the moment I see it, it hisses, it's a tiny little thing, tiny thing. It's hissing at you like it's a demon. And I pick it up and it instantly starts purring, purring loud. Like you've met, like a foster kid who's finally been hugged.
Right. You know what I mean? Just purring.
And I was like, oh, that's a poor little dude. So to get him accustomed to me, I had to stay in one of the bedrooms in this house that I was renting just with him. So I brought some books in there. I brought his litter box and I brought cat food and I just hung out with this fucking cat for like days in this room. And I had to do it that way because every time I would leave, when I'd come back in, he would literally climb the walls, just hissing and jumping and clawing at the drapes.
It was wild. And then I would corner him and I'd touch him and he would start purring it. And then I'd pick him up and I'd start petting him. And then I'd just sit there like reading a book. And I did it for days to get this cat comfortable with me.
And it worked. I was the only one he was comfortable with, though. Anybody else came over that, you could not pick him up. You try to pick him up, he would fuck you up. He'd bite you, he'd claw at you.
But with me, he was cool. It was weird. But he was only cool, like I had to like slowly approach him. His name was Jack Dempsey, because Jack Dempsey was a hobo. So I thought it was a good name for him.
Yeah, yeah. So I'd pet him and then he'd immediately start purring and then I could pick him up. And he's like, you're the only one. I'm like, it's okay. As long as it's just me.
You and me, buddy. We're good. So I had to get him fixed. And he must have known that my intentions were different than before. And so he wouldn't let me pick him up.
And I had to get him into a laundry hamper. It was the only way I was going to be able to carry him. So I cornered him in the bathroom and he's hissing. He's jumping from the tub to the sink. And I'm like, dude, calm the fuck down.
It's just me. Calm down. So then I get a blanket and I throw the blanket over him. And I wrestle him. And I stuff him into this fucking hamper.
And I bring him to this guy, Dr. Craig, who was an amazing guy. Who wound up dying later in a car accident. It was one of the saddest fucking things. He was the coolest vet ever.
He was the coolest. And I brought him in and I go, hey, man. I don't even know if you can do this. But he's spraying in my house now. He needs to get fixed.
But he's wild. And he's like, how wild? I go, look how I have him. I got him in a hamper.
So they had to hold this cat down somehow or another and anesthetize him. Put him out. And then they had to fix him. And then brought him back, and he was cool. He was fine.
Yeah, he was cool with me. He was always cool with me. Like we got over whatever that was that. I fucking kidnapped him. We got over it and he would let me pick him up again.
But only me. Like. no, my friends, no one. Even people that were over the house all the time. No one could pet him.
That's actually kind of cool. Yeah.
I probably got toxo from that cat. If I had to guess.
That's one of the reasons why we haven't had him. Because I'm like, yeah.
They are ruthless little murderers. Cats kill billions of birds every year. B-I in America. Billions.
Billions.
That is so nuts. What is the actual number, Jamie? Because it's so crazy. You see the number of small mammals and birds that house cats. Just house cats kill.
I look at my dogs and I'm like, dude, if I leave for like 45 minutes, I don't know if you guys are going to make it.
They're just like fluffy. They live on the couch. basically. There's like no wolf left in them.
So here's the number. 20. What? 20.7 billion small mammals. The Journal of Nature Communications.
Cats kill between 1.4 billion and 3.7 billion birds. And between 6.9 billion and 20.7 billion small mammals. Such as meadow voles and chipmunks. So that's 20 billion mammals and somewhere between 1.4 billion and 3.7 billion birds.
That's crazy. They're murderers. That's crazy. They're fucking murderers. That's mad respect there.
Because these things are living in our house.
Oh my god. This one says between 1.3 and 4 billion birds. And between 6.3 and 22.3 billion mammals. So it's probably going up every year. Because there's more cats every year.
Because they keep fucking. And the wild ones. Wild cats. They're fucking unbelievable murderers.
That's fucking wild.
Look at this. Researchers get that a single cat may kill between 100 and 200 mammals annually.
Just murderers. Like I could have a barn cat. That'd be cool.
Well, they will definitely keep rats away. That is. I mean they have a function on farms. They're great. 100%.
They're great. They're great at doing that. If you want to have a wild cat, that's the place to have them. They fucking keep everything away. There's this hunting lease that my friend Tyler from Archery Country has.
And we went there and there's this cool, fucking wild cat that hangs out there. But he's like domesticated. He comes up to you and rubs up against you. And you're like, what's up, little buddy? And that cat just kills everything.
All he does is. I mean, he's. I don't think anybody feeds him. I think he just wanders around that ranch killing everything he needs to eat.
That's a great life.
It's a great life for him. He's so happy. Like that cat. Because he loves people. Like.
he's not a wild cat in the sense that he's not domesticated. Because he does come right up to you and rubs up against you. And you pet him and he rubs over. You can rub his belly. He's not worried about people at all.
Everybody treats him really nice. So he's like a sweet, sweet cat. Right. But no one's feeding him. He's just a little murderer.
Just running around eating rats and mice and fucking birds.
I've got a whole new respect for him. Like reading that. I had no. I had no context to the billions of animals. Or the small rodents and shit they're murdering every year.
That's amazing.
It is amazing. But it's also kind of crazy that they also seem content to just chill in an apartment. Like cats don't seem to have a problem being in an apartment.
I went out to Ryan Holiday's bookstore yesterday. Oh. And just cruised around in there. Because it's not. It's like 20 minutes outside of town.
And he's got two cats cruising around in there. Just like.
Hanging out in the bookstore.
Hanging out in the bookstore. And like laying on boxes and running around. It's like, ah, it's fucking cool, man.
That's cool.
Yeah.
Yeah. Look, I love cats. It's just like my kids are alerted to them. It's a real problem. Oh, yeah.
Yeah. And my wife's alerted to them, too. But I prefer dogs. But my dog is an amazing dog. But he's dumb as shit, too.
Well, that's the golden. And so I just got him back from the hospital. I'm going to send this to you, Jamie. So you can see these pictures. I just got him back.
So we came home the other night. And Marshall had eaten chicken food that was outside on gravel. But he didn't bother to differentiate between the gravel and the chicken food. So he ate about two pounds of gravel. And I'm not exaggerating.
Two pounds of gravel?
It was pounds of gravel. There was so much gravel that he ate that he threw up. That's a pile of gravel that he threw up. That's one of seven piles of gravel. Show the other picture that I sent you.
That's my foot for reference.
I just sent you another one.
That one. So that we found out.
Oh, my gosh.
That's all gravel that he threw up.
So that's once he threw up like six times in the house. And then the seventh time. It looks like he threw up several different times there. So I took him to the emergency vet. And they do an X-ray.
And he still has gravel in his stomach and gravel in his colon. And they're not as concerned about the gravel in his colon. But they were concerned about the gravel in his stomach. So I had to take him to a hospital where he stayed overnight for two days. And they gave him liquid therapy.
They put an IV to him. And they monitored him. And they made sure that he was okay. And he eventually shit out all the gravel. And they didn't have to do surgery.
But there was a concern that there could be an obstruction. But they finally let him out today. And he's fine.
That's the kind of shit you have to deal with if you have pets. He ate gravel. He ate two pounds of gravel.
My golden's name is Potato. And I rebranded him because his first name was Maximus. And we were driving down the road one day. It was like, this dog needs a naming rebrand. Because his fucking brain is like a potato.
And then that was it.
His name is Potato. Does he have his balls? No.
We adopted him. He was like two years old. And when we got him, I've got a golden doodle and a golden. So they're just, one's Beans, one's Potato. The other one's Dr.
Beans.
I've met Dr. Beans.
Yeah, Dr. Beans is the best.
He's a cool dog.
Yeah, he's the chillest of the chill.
I'm not like a cat hater. But I absolutely prefer dogs. There's a thing. I have a relationship with my dog. He's like my friend.
Yeah. Like I come home. I could talk to him. He listens to me. He kind of knows what I'm saying.
You know, like there's little things that we do. Like, you want to get the ball? He just pops up. I'm like, let's fucking go. These videos of me with him with the ball.
I've never been more excited in my life about anything. Maybe, other than elk hunting. Right. This dog is fucking bouncing around. He's going.
And every day I'm like, is he going to be bored? We could do this ball. Yeah, every day. There's not a fucking day where he's bored. He's like, the ball's out.
Holy shit, we're going to do the ball.
It's like he's so simple.
But if you had a guy come in and you're like, do you want to get the elk? You want to get the elk, Joe? You'd probably be the same way. He'd be like, fuck yeah.
No, the thing is, with elk hunting, the only way it's really exciting is if it's hard. Yeah. That's what was so exciting about that hunt that you watch from a distance. It's like, I had to like creep in on this fucking dude and hope the wind didn't shift. I had to creep in on this dude and hope that he didn't catch me moving.
I had to hope that there was a window where I could draw. Where he wasn't going to be, once he gets up, what if he's getting up facing me and I can't draw? And I'm trying to figure out, when do I draw? There's a lot going on. I know I ranged him at 50, but I took two steps.
What is this right here? Is he at 48?? Is he at 47?? Where do I aim? There's so much going on that, when it's successful, that's what's so exciting.
That it's hard to do. The ball's fucking, he knows that ball's coming every day. Yeah. But he's so excited.
It's like instant gratification. He's like, the ball's coming!
Woohoo!
Did you shoot that bow yesterday?
Yes.
So what's the difference?
It's smoother, it's better. It's smoother? Yeah, they made a few significant changes. There's a new Hoyt bow that just came out. What are they calling it?
See, if you can find it. The Keep Hammer Edition. I think it's the VXM 33..
Did you go up? Are you still at 80, or did you go up?
I have two bows. I have an 80 and a 90.. Okay. Yeah, so one's at 81 or 82, and the other one's at 90..
Can you feel the difference?
Yeah, you feel it when you pull them back. Yeah.
What about in accuracy?
Well, they're both super, super accurate. The thing is, you just can't shoot as many arrows in a day with a 90-pound bow. I figured that out a long time ago, which is why I got an 80.. I have a 60 at the studio, which is like a kid's bow. It's amazing.
You draw it back, it's just so easy. I just use that one for practicing my form, because it's just nice to have a bow at the studio. And then there's the 80 that I shot. Elon Musk's Cybertruck with, that I just happened to be laying around with. That thing just bounced right off of it.
That was actually one of the fucking coolest videos I've seen in a long time. It's pretty cool.
He, let me shoot his truck with a bow.
He's like, oh, yeah, you want to go shoot it? Let's shoot it.
Yeah. Okay. So it's got a little scratch on it now forever. The tiniest scratch, too. Right.
And it's a fucking heavy-ass arrow from an 80-pound bow, and it didn't do shit to that door.
It. just blew it up, blew up the arrow.
But the new Hoyts, one of the things about bows, for people who don't know, unlike firearms, which are essentially, like, if you have a SIG P365, that's what that gun is. Like, if you got that gun five years ago, like, they made a comp version of the 365, so they put compensation in the barrel, which makes it a little better, a little easier to shoot. But they make essentially the same kind of gun, with small improvements for years and years. Like, if you buy a five-year-old gun, it's still a top-of-the-line gun. Right?
Bows, somehow or another, through engineering and these fucking wizards, they make them better incrementally every year. They really do. Like, I noticed the difference between last year's bow and the year before. Like, the moment I shot it, I was like, wow, this is smoother. And one day, just for the fuck of it, I picked up the previous year's bow, and I was noticing a difference.
I was like, oh, this doesn't feel as good. The draw cycle's not as good. The release doesn't feel as smooth. But it was better than the year before. Right.
And so last year's bow, I was like, how are they going to top this? This bow is amazing. It's so accurate. It's so smooth. Boom.
They did it. They topped it. They keep making them better. They're more efficient. They pull back smoother.
They're more dead in the hand. This bow feels like nothing when it goes off. Nothing. It goes off. There's, like, zero vibration.
It's incredible. Whatever they're doing in terms of, like, there's a particular design of their riser that the vibration, even if it goes through the bow on the shot, almost none of it is going through your hand. Right. It's incredibly, like, dead in the hand, which, you know, leads you to be more accurate. Everything is about accuracy and efficiency, and smoothness and comfort.
Have you transitioned over to that stand clicker yet? Have you tried that thing?
I do like that, but I keep going back to the Noctuit because the thing about the stand clicker is this is nerd talk for us.
It makes your draw length one quarter inch longer, because it's one quarter inch longer than the head of the Noctuit, which I'm so accustomed to. Yeah. So all my anchor points are slightly different. So, with the stand, the string is just a quarter inch further forward, and there's something about that that maybe I have to get used to. Maybe if I pull harder on the wall, I maintain the same stability.
Or maybe if I extend my arm out a little bit more, I maintain the same stability. I'd have to transition and try it, because I've been using Dudley's archery releases for so long. Between the two smooth, the hinge, which I really like, and then his other one, the Noctuit, which is the thumb button that I really like. I'm just so used to those.
I keep going back. I've tried the stand clicker, the stand non-clicker. I think it's the T. I've had the hinge. I've had a bunch of these, and I keep coming back.
I'm the most accurate, hands down, with the Noctuit. I think it's just because I've got so many reps. It feels so natural. Now that I've got that thing dialed to super hot.
Hot sauce. Yeah, it's hot sauce.
You breathe on it wrong, and it goes off.
You've got to be careful with those. You've got to always check them because I've had it when those are really hot. with Carter releases. They'll go off just based on the amount of tension. that's on the string.
because I'm pulling so much weight. Wherever I like it, I crank it a little bit stiffer now. Just a little bit stiffer.
Just a little bit.
Just a little bit. I want it so I can put my thumb on it and know that the slightest amount of back pressure, that motherfucker's going off. Just the slightest amount. So when I get that, and then I go to my shot process, I don't have any concerns about it going off. It's just everything's there.
Let's fucking go, and it's off. And I feel like that, to me, is the most accurate. And there's a lot of different schools. A lot of people like it very heavy. And what they do is they hook the button in here, in the crook of their thumb, and then they pinch their finger around it.
And they can get a good grip, and then they're just all pulling with their back muscles, and that makes it go off. And you can do that too. But I think that's because they want an absolute surprise shot. Because they're concerned they're going to punch the trigger in that moment. But I think the real thing is about controlling that moment.
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