#2154 - Remi Warren
2024-05-22 02:13:13
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Cheers, sir. Cheers, good to see you, man. We were just saying, you're a professional podcaster now, too.
Yeah, I guess. A little bit different, you know. It's wild, man.
I mean, when I met you, nobody was podcasting. No.
You were like, you should podcast. You can do a really good podcast. I'm like, alright, I'll podcast.
I wonder how many podcasts I've talked people into doing.
A lot. I think you're responsible for most of my Spotify playlist.
It's gotta be over 50.
. Dude. At this time, the amount of people that actually have podcasts, that got podcasts after I told them, you should probably do a podcast.
Yeah.
People were getting annoyed at me. I ran into people that would tell me personally in the street, dude, I love your podcast, but please stop telling everybody to do a podcast. I was like, why? What if they're good at it? What if they get good at it?
Yeah.
Like, what's the harm? You don't like it? Don't download it.
No. It's super easy to deal with. It is, yeah. Yeah, that was the thing. You're just like, what?
You're like, Remy, you know what you need to do? What? Podcast. I was like, I think you told me three times before I got here. Fuck.
Well, you're a great podcast guest. So, if you're a great podcast guest, and you were great on that show, Apex Predator.
Yeah, thanks.
It's simple. You're a good talker.
Yeah, I just tell people what I do, I guess.
And your perspective is very interesting, because your perspective is a guy that hunts, like, how many days a year do you hunt?
Now, I don't know. It's probably...
Down to 200?
Yeah, something like that. No, seriously.
That's nuts.
It's most of the year. Most of the year, you're in the woods.
Yeah, exactly.
Which is crazy.
It is crazy.
That's super unusual for a human being.
It is, yeah.
Living in America in 2024, what percentage of the population do you consider your peers?
Very small percentage.
Very small percentage. There's, like, Camreyns, Rinella, you, Dudley, but I don't think those guys hunt as much. No, yeah. They don't hunt as much, because you guide as well.
Yeah, I'm just, like, a different kind of addict, where I just have to be out there doing it.
Well, it's, you know, to people that don't know, it's an amazing experience just to be out there. It's amazing. It's like nothing else that you... It's literally wild. It is, yeah.
There's a lot of wild things that you do that are like, wow, this is wild. But no, this is literally wild. Yeah. Like, for real wild.
I think the thing is, for me, is I can go out there and every.
. You don't know what you're going to encounter. Right. You, like... It's not a mundane experience.
Everything, you have to be aware. It's, like, you could be out there, and one day this happens, and everything's fine. And the next day, you get attacked by a bear. And the next day, you're, like... It snows on you, and you're freezing.
It's just.
. Every day is so different. And even doing it over and over and over, nothing's ever the same.
And it can't be. No. You know? I mean, there's too many different environments. Like, you just got back.
I was listening to your podcast about hunting for muskox. Yep. And that experience of, like, hours and hours every day in just whiteness. Yeah. Just snow and nothing, but on snowmobiles.
Like, that, fucking freaks me out.
It's a.
. That was the best part about it, is just, like, the place. Sometimes hunting takes you to those really cool places that you never thought you'd go. Like, nobody goes above the Arctic Circle unless they're a scientist figuring out, you know, global warming shit. Or somebody going hunting.
Because it's not.
. I guess there's a few people doing polar expeditions and things like that. But it's not a place you just go vacation.
Is this from your Instagram? So, this is what it's like out there? Oh, wow. So, it's like little trailers out there?
Yeah. You're just... You're essentially traveling on frozen ocean. And you look at the size of the Arctic, and it's... It's, like, larger than North America.
Is it really? I'm not sure exactly how big it is. But when you look at the whole Arctic Circle, that whole region, it is massive.
Is it really larger than North America?
Larger than the United States, for sure. Wow.
And so, larger than the United States, and it's all just snow?
I guess it's part of North America, so you can't really say it's larger than North America. Yeah. It's just wild. It's frozen snow. And then there's...
So, there's, like, the frozen ocean. And then there's islands in it. that would be land. Kind of has some undulation. in there, like little hills.
There's an arctic hare just digging. It's like, what do they eat? Yeah. They eat the tundra, I guess.
The arctic hare and the ptarmigans, right? Yeah. Like, what do they eat?
I don't know. Just the grasses, seeds.
Just whatever pops up out of the.
. Whatever pops up, yeah. In little spots where they can find.
And it's not all.
. The thing about it is, it's super windy all the time, too, because there's nothing to stop the wind. So, it's really cold. And then it's even colder because you get that wind chill. But that wind blows pretty fierce.
And that wind's always moving the snow. So, the snow's always there. But there would be, like, a lot of drifts. But it'll cause areas where there's maybe a hill to blow open. So, that's what the muskox eat.
That's what the arctic hare. So, you find, like, those kind of areas. And there's food sources there.
How crazy is that? You're relying on the wind to uncover the snow, to give you enough food to sustain.
It's wild. And then to sustain an animal that large. Yeah. As large as a muskox.
Well, that gives me hope for Bigfoot.
Yeah. Exactly. People say, what would they eat?
Well, muskox, live out in Antarctica.
Yeah.
Or the Arctic Circle, rather. And when you're out there, how many people live there full-time?
I can't remember. I think it's under 1,000..
Wow.
And that's, like, a larger.
. We flew into, like, a larger area and then went over 100 miles from there.
What do those folks do, for the most part?
There's some.
. In the summertime, there's, like, fishing. And then hunting in the wintertime. And that's...
And that's what they live off of?
Yeah. There is stuff. Like, some of the more remote... There's other villages that don't have, you know, like, an airplane that goes to it or whatever. And they're purely subsistence or getting things in a couple times a year.
Like, that particular spot, the fuel comes in once a year.
Once a year?
Yeah.
And so if somebody pokes a hole in the fuel tank, you're fucked. That's it. Yeah.
You're done.
Oh, my God.
It's pretty crazy.
Fuel comes in once a year is such a crazy thing to say. Like, you've got to plan for the whole year.
How much fuel? Everybody uses diesel for everything, heating, everything.
And if you don't have it, you're fucked.
Yeah. Wow. It's very crazy. Like, I don't know. It's just there's places in the world that are so unlike what we're used to.
Oh, yeah. Imagine. There's people that are going to live their whole life there.
Oh, yeah. Most of the people that I met had never left that village. Wow.
Imagine taking them to Hawaii. They'd be like, what the fuck am I doing with my life?
This is so ridiculous. I could be in Hawaii. I don't know if they would like it.
What are you talking about? Everybody likes Hawaii. Yeah. They would love it.
You would think, but it's just, like, that's what they know. I think it would be too hot.
They'd be like, I don't like this place. I'll take too hot. I'll take too hot all day. Yeah. Over fucking, freezing tundra and wind.
Fuck that. Yeah. You mind sweating a little bit? You're next to the ocean. Jump in the water.
Cool off. Relax.
They like their food. They like to eat stuff that I wasn't a fan of. It's called muktuk. It's, like, essentially whale fat that's been cured.
Wow. Like, fermented?
Not fermented. It's more, like, salted. Oh, okay. Almost like whale beef jerky.
Oh, like, okay.
Yeah.
Whale fat. That's what it looks like?
Yeah. That's it.
Poor Dane told me that fermented shark was the most disgusting thing he ever ate.
Yeah, I haven't had that, but I've heard it's really bad. And they love it.
And apparently, wherever the fuck it is, I guess it's Iceland where they eat it a lot?
Iceland, yeah.
That's what it looks like, Jamie? Yeah. Is that what it would look like when you were eating it? Yeah. What does it taste like?
I don't know. It's, like, greasy, rotten fish, maybe.
Oh.
Eh, no. Not a fan. What kind of whale is it, too?
The guys, some of the Inuit guys, they have, like, preferred whale kinds. They like narwhal the best, is what he said, and then beluga whale. And then there's other whales that they don't like as much.
Hmm.
So, yeah, like, when the community gets, like, they do all that in the summertime. And then they save it for the wintertime. But I guess you'd need to eat a lot of fat to survive the winter.
Whale, in my brain, goes into the same category as monkey. Like, you're eating whale or you're eating monkey. I'm like, yo, do you have to do that?
Yeah. I'm not a fan.
It seems like you probably shouldn't do that. Yeah.
I had tried muktuk before, and so when they busted it out, I was like, I will pass. Thank you.
Were they offended?
No. I think that they just didn't get it, you know. Right. But, like, their whole culinary experience, too, is, like, we got the muskox, and it was, like, really good meat. And, you know, I cooked it up with some, like, garlic and canned mushrooms in a pan.
and do it how I like, like, medium rare, and it was phenomenal. And the way they do their cooking is they just boil it. They like it boiled.
Everything.
Everything. Well, you think about it. I mean, they've lived so long in a lot of isolation. No doctors, none of this. So they're very cautious about their food, and they just don't want to get sick from it or anything like that.
So for probably their entire forever, it's just overcooked food, and then you don't get sick. Oh, wow.
Yeah, if you get a parasite up there, you're in real trouble.
Yeah, you're in trouble. So they just, everything's boiled. They like it boiled.
Well, I guess if you drink the broth, too, you know, it's like a soup. Yeah. Making, like, kind of a meat soup. Right. It's probably a good way to be, like, effective.
Like, you don't need to cook in fat that way.
Yeah, they just boil it, and then they've got everything in the pot, and that's.
And they get their dietary fat from just this whale fat stuff. Yeah. Do they eat anything else that they get dietary fat from?
No, I think whales, they eat seals.
They probably have no diseases.
Yeah.
No cancer, no heart attacks, like, nothing. Everybody lives to 110..
Yeah, I don't know.
It's probably good.
It's probably good for you. Those people that live... Have you ever seen that? Werner Herzog film, Happy People?
I can't remember.
It's the one where the trappers in the taiga in Siberia?
No, I haven't seen it.
It's an amazing documentary. So Werner Herzog went to Siberia and hung out. I don't know if he was just narrating it or if he was actually there. I think he was just narrating it. Maybe he went there, but someone went there.
Point is, like, these people are extremely happy, and they just, all they do is go trapping and fishing and hunting, and they live in these villages and they go around on snowmobiles. And it's kind of, it's interesting because it's like, what is life supposed to be about? Is it supposed to be about enjoying yourself, or is it supposed to be about accomplishing things? Because if it's supposed to be about accomplishing things and you don't enjoy yourself, it seems like you're kind of missing part of the point of life. And these people, their life is enjoyable.
Like, they love fishing. They're laughing, and when they're going hunting, they're talking about hunting, how much they love hunting and fishing, and it's fun, and you get all this food. And they're just pulling these massive pike out of the river. They have these giant nets and shit. And so they're having a good old time, like, all day long.
They're freezing the fish. They feed the fish to the dogs. Like, they have this whole system worked out. They just completely exist with what they have, with very little other than, like, snowmobiles and the occasional, like, machine that they need. They make all their skis.
They hand make their skis. This guy was, like, showing how to make a ski. And so he's, like, using the pitch and the tar and, like, heating the thing up and cutting it perfectly and planing it. It's pretty amazing stuff.
Yeah, that's wild. I guess it's like, yeah, everybody works real hard to go on vacation and go fishing. Like, that's just what we're doing.
They just live that way. I met a dude when I was in the British Virgin Islands who worked for a big tech company. I don't want to say the company, but it's, like, a major company that, like, you know, they make, like, fucking jets and shit for the military. And he just was like, I don't see this. I don't see this.
This just doesn't seem like a good path for the rest of my life. He goes, I'm seeing all these people that were managers and executives are trying to work their way up the corporate ladder and everybody's miserable. Everyone's exhausted. Everyone's overworked. They're all putting in crazy hours.
They bring work home with them. You know, they hardly see their family. They make a lot of money, sure, but he was like, fuck this. He just became a fishing guy. British Virgin Islands.
Fucking, super chill guy. But as I was talking to him, it's like bringing up scientific terms for different animals and, like, the way different fish have, like, very specific... I forget the term he was using about, like... It was particularly about barracuda. That barracuda, like, they make their skin oilier so they can go faster, so they can move through the water faster.
Yeah, they're lubed. They're lubed up. But he was explaining it in, like, these scientific terms. And I was like, wow, this guy is, like, very... He has amazing vocabulary.
for a guy who runs a fishing boat. He sounds like a scientist. Yeah. Like a guy I would talk to on a podcast. And the more we're talking, you know, because we're on this four-hour fishing trip, the more we're talking, he starts telling me his background.
We start talking about the business he was in. And I was like, that's crazy. And she just decided to bail on it all and just start fishing. Like, that's, like, a character in a movie.
Yeah.
You know, like, nobody does, that. Everybody just stays miserable.
Yeah, exactly.
They stay miserable, they buy a new Lexus, and they, you know, feel pretty good about themselves. Yeah.
Yeah, that's why I was like, I feel very fortunate. I feel like a pretty happy person, because I pretty much get to do what I love all the time.
You get to do the thing that everybody looks forward to, every.
. Like, if you're a hunter and you have, like, September for our elk or November for whitetail, like, you, look forward to the rut like nothing else in life other than, like, your kid's birthday.
Yeah, exactly.
You're just so excited about this opportunity that you're going to get to spend a week in the woods, and that's your whole job. Yeah. That's mostly what you do.
It is. Yeah, it's great.
You're super lucky, man. You're lucky. So we brought you out here today to do a podcast, but also because I wanted to get you into Ways to Well, because you had a crazy wrist injury that you wound up getting two surgeries on, right?
Yeah, because last time I was in here, I just started shooting that mouth tab.
That's right. We talked about it last time.
I think I just got set up. Yeah, we shot.
Yeah.
That was, like, some of the first arrows I'd flung in front of another human.
That mouth tab thing had to be weird. People don't know what we're talking about. Well, so just explain the injury. Let's get into the injury first.
Yeah, so, I mean, I tore a tendon in my wrist. that does a lot of the movement things, and it ended up being dislocated and had to do a reconstruction of the tendon and all that stuff. Had a surgery, essentially a botched surgery, which made a surgery that the surgery did probably more damage than maybe even the initial thing. Yeah, so the bad surgery caused a lot of complications and then had to have, like, a salvage surgery after that.
What kind of complications did it cause?
I mean, I lost the feeling in my hand.
You don't feel anything in there?
No, I do. now. The second surgery, they, like, fixed all that. Oh, wow. There was, yeah, just, like, the recovery went from, you know, essentially a, what did they promise?
Like, three-month to six-month kind of recovery, to a couple years down the track and still not even being able to function 100%. Wow. Still a lot of pain and other things, so. But, yeah, but because of that.
So what was wrong with the first surgery? Like, what did they do? It just didn't turn out well?
Yeah, well, they broke one of the bits when they were drilling in, and it got, the bit, I guess, got broken in the, it's like a hollow screw, so it got busted off in there, so then they tried to use another bit to retrieve the bit and broke that bit. And then they used a hammer. and, like, they used a hammer and something else to pound out the, um... The bit? The broken stuff, yeah.
Oh, my God. And then that caused the, everything was, it was an anchor screw, so then that tore. So they took my tendon, used that tendon to make a tendon, and then that, that damaged the tendon. But then, you know, I'd been under and under a tourniquet for so long that it's, like, you got to just finish it up, see what happens. Well, what happened was the tendon tore, so essentially surgery was complete failure.
It didn't work at all. Oh, wow. Plus, I now had all this additional scar tissue from the hammering and the trying to beat the thing back out. So that's what caused a lot of, like...
Did you go to a veterinarian or a regular doctor? Yeah, exactly. Can't work on horses?
No, it was actually, it was, like, a first monkey's performing surgery. I thought it was, like, this would be great.
It'd be a cool YouTube video.
Yeah, it would be a great YouTube video.
Imagine it works out well.
Have some faith. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
These monkeys are well trained.
Yeah, it was great. That fucking hammer,
trying to get a broken drill bit out of your wrist. Dude, that had to suck.
Yeah, so that caused the problem. So, yeah, and part of it for me is just, so. I wasn't going to sit out in archery season, so I learned to shoot with my mouth, because I couldn't draw the bow with my right hand, with the right wrist, because it was immobilized for a long time, casts and all that stuff, so I would have missed the hunting season. So I just learned to shoot biting down on a tab, drawing back, shooting. Got super proficient with it and had probably one of my best seasons.
Like, it was awesome, you know.
I remember when Dudley did that. Dudley had shoulder surgery.
Yeah, and he actually had, he had to switch hands too, which I was fortunate, I think it was better that, I was like, it was my dominant hand, but for bow shooting, you control, I'm right eye dominant, so I control the bow with my left hand. So it was the same, everything except just biting and shooting.
Oh, yeah, I've often thought about that, if that's smart. I think my right arm's probably more stable than my left arm.
Yeah.
It's quite a bit stronger, I think.
Are you, you shoot right handed? Yeah.
I pull the bow with my right. Yeah. But I feel like my right would probably be more stable.
It would. That's the, that's the thing, people, so if you don't know for archery, you base off what hand you shoot, it's actually your eye dominance. So whatever eye is, the eye that controls your vision is the eye that you shoot with, with a bow. So you can have both eyes open, see the sight and the pin and the target simultaneously. So if you wanted to know how to do it, you can like put your hands up, we'll focus on an object that's far away and then close one eye, and if it stays there, that's the dominant eye if it moves.
So when I close my left eye, the object stays there, I'm right eye dominant. So I shoot a right handed bow, which is weird, because you're drawing it with your right hand. But every other, like if you're shooting a pistol and you're right handed, you use your dominant hand to control the weapon. So it, like really, if you're cross-eyed dominant and you shoot a bow, everybody thinks that's a bad thing. It's probably a better thing.
You are probably almost more natural in a way.
It's either way. Obviously, you could shoot a bow with your left hand. Obviously, people shoot a bow with their right hand. So either way would work.
Exactly.
Like. I think it's a lot of malarkey.
Yeah.
I think there's a lot of malarkey that I recognize from like, like, when people say you have to do certain things one way with martial arts. Like most of the time, most of the time. Yeah. But there's a lot of exceptions.
There is.
There's a lot of different ways to skin a cat.
Like. there's people that didn't even know that and they started drawing to their non-dominant eye. But you can never shoot with both eyes open that way.
Boxing trainers will always tell you that you should, like in the beginning, they would never tell you to switch stances. Never switch stances. But some of the best fighters ever switched stances.
Yeah.
But you're not them. But wait a minute. How do you become them? I mean, some of the best boxers of all time, like Terrence Crawford, today, one of the best switch hitters ever. Marvin Hagler, switch hitter.
Boots, Ennis. There's like really good boxers today that switch hit. They do it all the time. But back in the day, you just stood one leg forward and you got... But some people do it this way, right?
Right. So why not learn to do it that way and be able to do it this way? Yeah. It seems way smarter than to just be completely relying on left foot forward all the time. Right.
And with archery, I bet, if you practice.
. No one's going to get a left-handed bow, but I bet, if you did, I bet you would get better at your right, because that's a phenomenon that happens with learning. things. Like even learning how to write with your left hand will teach you to write better. You'll write better with your right hand.
I don't know who it was, but I'd heard.
. There was a guy, a fairly prominent archer, that got such bad target panic that he switched to shooting the opposite hand, and it helped. It fixed it. Yeah, because his brain was so trained to shooting one way that he just switched and started over.
Target panic is bananas. People talk about target panic like Candyman. Don't say its name too many times, it'll show up behind you.
100%.
If folks don't know what target panic is, it's a real thing, particularly with target archers, with people who their whole life is like, your life is about getting an arrow to an X. Yep. And if you fuck up even a little bit, just a little baby, fuck up left and right, it's a 9.. And if you really fuck up, it's an 8.. But if you hit that X, you're banging 10s, baby.
Let's go. And so a lot of these guys can shoot 30 Xs in a row. Now, imagine the mindfuck of being completely stationary.
29 times in a row. And here comes a 30th, and that little demon creeps in your head, you're going to fuck it up, right, mate? You're going to fuck it up. You're going to miss.
You're going to miss.
It'll get into your head, and that's target panic for these guys. Some of them can't even put the pin on the target. Yeah. They have to lift the pin up to the target, and when it gets to the target, like a drive-by, they pull the trigger. Yeah.
They're just going crazy.
Yeah, they just force it in there, and you get.
They just panic. And we've had Joel Turner from Shot IQ, like his whole system that he has for keeping people in a conscious state of mind so that you don't experience that. You don't just go on, you don't just spaz out, which I can't recommend enough. It's very, very, very good stuff for people. But I guess for a guy like you, you do it so often that it's like a normal thing.
Like you also, you actually hit the trigger when you want the arrow to go.
I do, yeah. Which is like, don't do it, don't do it.
They'll tell you, don't do it. But I think there's more than one way to address very high-stress, complicated situations. And this idea that you have to have every shot be an unexpected shot, I don't agree with that. You have to shoot right in. I don't agree with any of that.
I think you just have to be good at doing it that way. And you're obviously very good at doing it that way. Like I've shot with you at targets, I've seen you shoot like at distances. You're really accurate. And you're still doing it the way.
they say you're not supposed to do it. Yeah, exactly.
But that's the trouble, man. I was just too hard-headed and I taught myself a bad way to do it. I've changed the way that I shoot from when I first started shooting. But yeah, it's not, it's probably not pretty. But I do, I actually do more of a, I do, I use an index release, which is just like a post where you activate it with your trigger.
But the way that I've done it is I use kind of more of like a back-tension style of pulling. with that. I used to just slap the trigger and it was super accurate with it.
That's what camp does. You know? what's funny is I, that's how I started shooting. And I was actually, I was shooting like tournaments and like 3D things, just, you know, getting my foot in the door with it just for fun in the off season. Never got super serious because it cut into hunting, but I'd do it.
And I was winning like by a lot. And this guy that I was shooting with was like, you're shooting absolutely wrong. You're not supposed to shoot like that. And it got in my head. It fucked with me, man.
And I was like, wait, I'm doing it wrong? Like nobody's ever told me how to do it. And that messed me up, but. That's what I'm saying. I was like, it's just a mind game.
It's a mind fuck. There's no way to do it wrong. No. Look, Cam shoots that way. He's one of the best bow hunters has ever walked the face of the earth.
He shoots that way. He makes that thing go off.
Yeah.
And then there's Dudley, who doesn't. Right. You know, Dudley, who shoot with a hinge sometimes, or shoot, you know, with a back tension. Yeah. You know.
But I'm also, you know, my thing is I'm, I shoot a bow for hunting. And so for hunting, that's the best style release in my opinion. And I'm very accurate with it. So I'm not trying to shoot 900 X's in a row. Like I'm trying to make one perfect arrow.
And so I can focus on that one shot, and that release works better for me for hunting. So that's why.
Why do you think that the wrist strap with the finger trigger is the best one?
For hunting? Yeah. Because it's always on you. Okay. So you don't have to reach for it.
You don't have to reach for it. You don't have to move for it. It's like always there. And then the other thing is, you know, they talk about like, don't punch the trigger or whatever, but in certain situations, I need that arrow to go now. I don't need to be pulling through the shot.
Like. this is my opportunity.
And you might be shooting in a window.
Yeah. Or in the wind. And I've got to camp the bow just right. And I need to make, like a more technical shot, that maybe not that it's rushed, but it's like, this is when it needs to go.
This is when it has to happen. Right.
And so it can happen the other way. But for me, it's just easier to be like in full control of that decision making process.
There's also an argument on the other side now, in target archery, like Kyle Douglas. Like Kyle Douglas, he hits the trigger. And he wins Vegas.
Yeah.
He just, he pulls so hard that he's pulled bows apart.
Really?
Yeah. So he pulls on the wall so hard. So he's just got that motherfucker locked out. And he uses, in indoor tournaments, he uses a thumb. And hunting, he uses a finger trigger.
Yeah, I love it. It's like, you're doing it wrong. Scoreboard.
He won. No, he's doing it right. Like you can't, there's that thing. Like there's, if you can do that with a sniper, right. Like.
I had a long conversation with Andy Stumpf about this, who was in SEALS, and he's a sniper. And I was, you know, we were talking about like methods. And he's like, as long as you're repeatable, you know how to do this. one method. Like this mindset of there's only one way to do it.
It has to be an unanticipated shot. He's like, no, no. Like. if you're a sniper, it's unanticipated. Right.
You just don't move. Don't flinch. Like if you've ever, one of the proudest things, if you ever go to a range, is when you run out of ammo, but you don't flinch. You just squeeze the trigger. You're like, oh, that's beautiful.
It's beautiful.
Like even though there's no, the gun doesn't go off, you didn't do any of this stupid shit. You didn't move your hands. And if you can just do that with a shot, you can make a perfectly accurate shot by deciding when it goes off. It is possible. The idea that it's not possible, that's a silly thing to say.
Right.
But is it possible for some people? Well, some people are spazzes. Some people are freaked out by anxiety, the moment, the adrenaline, or they don't know how to keep their mind contained, like with Joel Turner's methods, which I think anybody should know, that. Anybody should know that you should talk to yourself during it to keep yourself from just acting because of the anxiety, which is because it's a normal tendency that people have to spaz out.
Yeah. I think the other thing too is maybe there's ways that are probably best for most people. That might be the way that's best for most people. But then there's also that I think the people that have a lot of time into something can do it a different way than a lot of other people, because they understand that moment. Right.
Right. So there's a lot of people that they get drawn back on an elk. They've tried to get within range of an elk for five years. This is their opportunity and they don't know how to react to that without some other kind of thought process.
Complete freak out.
Doesn't matter what it is.
There's also like in a situation where you might get a shot soon or you didn't know you were going to get a shot, and all of a sudden you do. Yeah. Because if you didn't know you were going to get a shot, and all of a sudden you do, your adrenaline just kicks in. Your fucking heart's beating. Woo.
But if you know it's going to happen like, hey, stay chill. It's coming. It's coming. Like he's, you know, he's a hundred yards away. He's moving in this direction.
You might be getting a shot. Oh, my God. He's coming. He's still coming. He's time.
We got to get in position. You give yourself time to experience that this is actually going to happen, rather than he's just there. Ah.
Right.
And then you just try to stay calm, but your arms moving all over the place. It's just, it's different experiences and whether or not your brain knows how to process those experiences. If you've had a bunch of those experiences, you're like, oh, I've been here before. Yeah. I know what this is.
I know how to do this. Okay. It's going to happen. So stay calm. Pick a spot.
Pull through your shot.
Yeah. And even, even myself, like there's times where you go, it's actually the opposite for me. If something's surprise is like, there is just like ads here, but it's when you got to stock all day on something. Like I've invested my entire day into this, or this is the last chance. Like, don't fuck it up.
Like you go, that's when you start to, okay, well, when I get there, here's what I'm going to do. Yeah. Talk yourself through it in a way.
When you're going through the shot, do you talk to yourself as you're shooting, as you're pulling the trigger?
Um, no, but there's a little bit of a checklist, just so I don't, kind of like drawback anchor level focus. Hmm.
Kind of a, so you just go through that checklist in your head.
Yeah. I think so.
So do you, do you go through it like audibly, or do you go through it? Will you just do the things I do?
The things.
Level, level, um, center. Peep all that.
Go through all that line. Just, I just make sure that I'm, I'm making the good shot and then I just focus on that shot. Hmm.
Do you, um, have you ever tried the thumb triggers?
Yeah. I shoot, I've got all kinds of releases and I'll shoot them all, but just for, I don't even know why, just for fun, I guess. Right. Or like, let's say, I'm sometimes too, if I'm like shooting and I go, God, this is, I'm just not shooting good. Then I'll swap up the way that I shoot and go, oh, okay.
There's something like my normal method of shooting is. Yeah. Maybe it's, I don't even know if you'd call it, like essentially a target panic kind of where I'm not shooting. Right. Then I go, I'll grab that other one.
Okay. And then I get back in the rhythm and shoot.
Do you find any difference in your accuracy with a handheld release, like a thumb trigger release versus a finger trigger release?
Hmm. I'm probably more accurate with the finger trigger, because that's what I shoot all the time. Hmm.
You know, do you do the thumb behind the head thing?
With the trigger? Yeah. No.
Um, Cam does that.
I do something. I mean, that's a good way to get your anchor point. I guess I don't, I'd have to do it, but I'll hit things. I do more of a knuckle experience on the jaw.
Knuckle to the jaw. Yeah. What we're talking about, folks who don't do archery is like you have specific anchor points on. So the whole idea about shooting accurately is that you want to repeat the exact same position that you're in each time you shoot. So there's a peep site that's in the draw in the string, and you're looking through that peep site.
And what you're trying to do is center the site housing so that it completely halos inside of that peep site. And then you look down at your bubble and you want to make sure that your level, your bubble, is level. So there's like a little leveler that's below your site pin and you make sure that that's level. So that means you're not going to be twerking the bow left or right or canting the bow, which could affect the way it goes off. And so you have anchor points like the tip of your nose.
And some people use like a little button on the string that they touch. Like Cam has one of those where it touches the corner of his mouth. I have a nose button. I like that. Have you ever tried those?
I haven't. No.
They're great because it's pointy. It, like, pokes your nose. And you feel it on the tip. Josh Bomar made it. So it touches the tip of your nose and it, like, digs into your nose.
You know 100% you're in the right spot because it just, like, pokey on your nose, like right there. And some people, when they draw back, they'll tell you do not put your thumb behind your neck. Do not do that. But that's how Cam does it. And he shoots perfectly like that.
And so I tried it. I can't do it right. I have to have. my neck is too big, so I'd have to go, like, way back. I'd have to have a draw length that's longer than I really should have.
But I fucked around with it and bent my arm forward a little bit and did it this way. And I was like, this is better because you're locked in. Like, how stable is that? If you can get your thumb behind your head, behind your neck, that's fucking stable, as shit. Like that's locked in.
That's way more locked in than holding it there. You know, like if you're holding, if you have, like, a hinge, you're doing it like this, you've got your knuckle, like, right where your jaw is generally or some spot in your face. Yeah. That's not as accurate as this. This is, like, locked in.
You're not going anywhere. But they'll tell you not to do it. And I've never had anybody explain to me why.
I think it's probably because most people, like you said, if you're way back here, you're putting string pressure from your face onto the string. So it's pushing the knock one way or another. And so it'd be really hard to tune. maybe because, you know, you're, everything needs to be straight. And so you'd be pushing the knock one direction.
I see what you're saying.
You could adjust it. You could factor in, but also you could use a different style release where. if you had, you know, an index style release where that's there and it's forward enough, it wouldn't make a difference.
Well, the thing about those adjustable ones, when they have adjustable necks, like the spot hog, the wise guy has an adjustable neck. You can make that sucker like real long or you can pull it down short. So you could find if your neck isn't too big, like if you're a big giant football player, this is not going to work for you. But it doesn't even work for me, but it works for Cam. He gets it right behind his neck.
It locks in there. And I think like anything where you can anchor in, and there's no other way you're anchoring that way, right? There's no other way. you're anchoring forward. Like this stops everything in its fucking tracks.
I think this is like the best thing you could ever do. If you could really make that work. I wish my neck was smaller so I could pull this off. I would do that because I feel like that is locked in, man.
Yeah.
That's locked in.
Yeah, and I've got like a small face, so I think it'd work for me.
But there's archery people out right now pulling their hair out, going,
shut up. This is terrible advice. I know.
Meanwhile, I've watched Cam Haines shoot balloons at 120 yards like that.
Yeah, I know. That's the thing. It doesn't matter what you do. There's always the armchair critics that know how to do it better. It's like, well, I've got a certain kind of injury, and I've got to draw a certain kind of way.
It looks like shit, but it works.
Well, there's a very similar situation in, I think, almost every sport. It's definitely in pool. There's so many different schools of thought in pool of like how you're supposed to stroke the ball, whether or not you drop your elbow, whether or not you –, what fingers you hold the cue with, whether you turn your wrist forward before you shoot, or whether you always keep it parallel or dangling rather. So there's all sorts of – like, I think it's with everything that people are struggling to master. Like people have ways that they think everybody should do it, and then someone will come along.
that does it like completely different, and they're killing everybody. They're like, what? Like when the Filipinos came to America, American pool players, they hold the – they would back in the day at least, they would hold the cue lightly, but not like the Filipinos. The Filipinos, like Efren Reyes, is like one of the greatest of all time. He's like barely holding on to it.
It's like his hand is like a loose noodle, and he's just like it's smooth, like he's playing a violin or something. It's wild to watch. And it's like this delicate way of hitting the balls, like maximum efficiency of his motion. It's all smooth. And they changed the way Americans started playing.
But if you had, like an American coach, like if you played that way, and you sucked, and you went to an American coach, they'd be like, what? Stop doing it that way. This is not the – stop your elbow moving. Your elbow is only supposed to do this, just a tiny motion, just back and forth. And the upper part stays completely still always.
These Filipinos are moving that shit around like crazy and playing like wizards. Like some of the best players today, they drop their elbows, they move things around. They have long bridges, short – Buddy Hall, one of the greatest of all time, short, little, tiny bridge. And some of the greatest players, long-ass bridge. Like Earl Strickland, long bridge.
Like there's no – like it's all just repeatability. What can you do over and over and over and over again, efficiently and accurately? And I think it's the same with archery. I think it's the same with pool. It's the same with a lot of things.
There's fundamental principles. Like you have to be able to hit the ball straight if you want it to go straight. With an arrow, you have to be able to shoot a straight arrow. Do you know how to do that? Well, how come some people do it sideways?
I've seen guys who like to do it with compound bows sideways.
Really?
Yeah. What are you doing? Like I've seen – I guess they started that way with like traditional bows.
Yeah, because you camp the bow on a traditional bow.
And so they just kept doing it that way. And I'm sure you've seen guys who shoot compound bows with no sights.
Yep.
Like instinctive, which is really kind of wild.
Yeah, or fingers or –. I mean you can do whatever. Because I like to hunt with a traditional bow too, so I do that every year as well. And the way that I shoot that is completely different than the way that I shoot a compound bow. I mean, because I actually just instinct – I do what's an instinctive method of traditional shooting, where a lot of people do like different kinds of string, walking or whatever.
I just do the shoot the arrow, know the trajectory, kind of like –.
Like you, throw a rock.
Yeah. Yeah. Like if I'm going to throw – I just – the way that I practice, I walk around with a blunt tip. It's just like a non-sharp tip or practice tip. I walk around, I shoot pine cones in the forest.
That's like –.
Just to gauge the loop, the arc.
And so you just build it and it just becomes instinct. where it's like if I'm going to toss a pen to Jamie or my phone to Jamie over there, it's like – Instinct. I'm not going to throw it at his face. Right. And I'm not going to like hit it on the floor.
I'm going to toss it to him. Right. It's the same. You just like – you toss the arrow.
Can you toss it on your right hand now, or is it fucked up?
I mean – yeah, I guess I can. I look like a little girl. I did one of those axe throwing things with my buddies and they're like, can you please stop? This is embarrassing. You're going to fucking kill everybody.
This is embarrassing.
When – that is one good advantage of having your finger triggered, though. You don't have to have all that weight held in your hand.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's good. Yeah. You might actually, if you weren't – the other way, you might actually have been forced to switch to a wrist strap.
Potentially, yeah.
Yeah. Does it – the wrist – fuck with your wrist at all? The wrist strap?
It does, yeah. It puts pressure on the one spot. But they did those injections, man. I'm hoping that – I have a lot of – I think it's going to be awesome.
It's going to make a big difference. It's – I can't say enough about ways to well and just stem cells in general. I mean I've got a bunch from my friend Roddy McGee in Vegas, and what they do is fix things that you would ordinarily have to get surgery for. In your case, with the torn ligaments, they would have to have surgery.
Yeah, that's what they said.
Once it's ripped.
After that, the recovery portion is where you need it.
Exactly. And it just really helps heal injuries, man. Yeah. Like, really helps. I have had a left knee problem for a long time.
Like I tore my ACL on my left leg when I was 22,. I think. I tore it and then I had a surgery on it where they did a patella tendon graft and they tried to suture up the meniscus because there was a tear in the meniscus as well. But the suture didn't take. The meniscus tore and then had a bucket handle tear in the meniscus, which is pretty significant because it would lock my leg out.
And so then I had to get some of the meniscus removed. So it's always like a little less stable there. There's a little space there and it gets banged around. It's always sore. And it got over the last couple of years.
This is actually the stupidest fucking way I've heard it ever. I was on my way on stage at Stubbs in Austin, which is an outdoor venue. And I was going up these cement stairs. The stairs take like a little turn and I was turning the recorder on on my phone to record my set. And I stubbed my foot against the stone and it twisted my knee sideways like somebody.
heel hooked me. And it was excruciating. And I had to go on stage like right there. And my leg was shaking like I was scared. So like one leg like shaking like my first time.
Like I didn't even shake like that my first time on stage. It was like because it was just throbbing and I had to ignore it. I should have, in retrospect, I should have, like, addressed it and made fun of the fact that I'm such a fucking moron. And my leg was fucked for a long time after that. And it got a little bit better.
And then, every time I get better, I would just start kicking the bag again. Or going back to Muay Thai or going to Jiu Jitsu. And it hurt again. I'm like fuck. Fucker.
And so I went a whole year without kicking the bag. For me, it's crazy. I went a whole year. I'm like I'm just going to strengthen this. I follow this guy, Ben Patrick.
He's got this Instagram page Knee Over Toes, Guy. I don't know if you've ever seen his stuff.
Yeah, I think I've just seen something.
It's amazing. So I've been doing all these goblet squats on a slant board and Nordic curls. And all these different exercises to strengthen all the muscles around the knee. Which I never really bothered to do. I would do leg exercises, but I didn't think specifically exercises that stabilize the knee.
So between that and Ways to Well, I have zero pain now.
It's crazy. That's awesome.
That's been years since I had no pain. Years. I would go upstairs. It would just be annoying. I'd feel it.
I could do it, but I would feel it. I don't feel it at all. Wow. I mean at all. That's cool.
It's nuts. It's nuts. So the thing to me it's always kicking the bag. Because if I can kick the bag and then I'm not sore, the next day something's changed. Because it was like every time I'd kick the bag the next day I'd be like, oh, I'm going to pay for that.
I'm going to pay for that. And I'd be walking around. I'd be just kind of a little bit swollen, you know. Yeah. So I'm really really hoping that that's going to have a similar effect on your wrist.
Yeah, I'm pretty stoked. You know like yeah, you should know within a fairly short amount of time. I'm like well.
Because he shot you up with. What was the exact.
I don't even remember.
I'll text him right now.
Yeah, there was all kinds of.
What did you shoot him up with?
An IV plus some direct into the joint stuff.
Yeah. I don't know.
It was all gibberish to me. Yeah. He's talking about so many millions of whatever. Okay.
What exactly did you inject him with? I should have done this with voice.
The voice is very accurate. I don't know how it is on your shitty Android phone. Yeah. But on these American phones. These real American Apple iPhones.
I don't even. I just think it and it does it now. I love Samsung. You guys are still talking.
I talk shit. But I'm not. I'm not an Apple fanboy. I know. I love.
I've had Samsung. I was very disappointed when I found out the moon photo wasn't real though. Oh. I was bragging to everybody. Look what my phone can do.
Right. I could take a picture of the moon. Yeah.
But I mean they're great pictures. It's great.
It's so clear. How is it doing?
Because it's lying to you.
They're like. it's no different than face filters. It's a lot different. If a face filter makes me look like Arnold Schwarzenegger. Then something is going on with that face filter.
It's lying. That moon photo filter is a fucking lie.
Yeah.
But other than that, they're amazing phones. I just. I'm just locked in the fucking Apple ecosystem. I know. Yeah.
Like my friend Brian Simpson. He's Android for life. He makes fun of everybody with Apple. Gordon, Ryan. Same thing.
Android for life. And you. You like annoying people.
I do. I'm just like. My favorite thing is just breaking green bubble. You know. And the best is like I get taken off of group text.
I'm like thank God.
I hate group text. Because they can't iMessage with you on.
Exactly. So I'm like. Take me off. Sweet. Awesome.
Thank you. I didn't want to hear that anyways.
There's actually hearings about this now. Because some people are arguing that Apple has created an unfair monopoly on the cell phone world. Because of the whole green bubble, blue bubble, iMessage thing.
It's such a psychological. Yeah. It's so weird. People are real attached to that.
Well, it's a status thing with kids. If kids have Android phones, they get mocked. There's some nutty thing. It's like 90% of teenagers have iPhones. Really?
Because if you have, like, a Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra. Which is arguably the best phone on earth. If you have that phone. And you give a green bubble. You're looked at less than you have an iPhone 10..
Because you get like a special color bubble. You get a blue bubble. Oh yeah.
Because you're iMessaging. You can have an old ass, iPhone, and people respect you more. Like you're not that poor.
But you can have literally the Galaxy S24 Ultra is. Listen. Forget about fanboy shit. It's the best phone on earth. It's the best phone.
It has AI built into the phone. That will translate in real time. Built into the phone. It has AI that will transcribe voice recordings. And summarize it for you.
So you can make voice notes. It'll summarize it for you. It'll write texts in different styles. Like you could say make this more business. Make this more friendly.
And it'll do that with AI.
Yeah. It's pretty wild.
That's nuts. And it has a stylus. You can write on it and it'll turn it into text. Like you could write on it in your shitty ass handwriting. And it'll transcribe it in a normal typeset.
Yeah. I do a lot of filming or whatever with it. Photos. You can just like. It's pretty crazy.
The stability of zooming in at 10 power and handhold it.
Yeah.
It's pretty wild.
And now, when they're doing this. Like with these phones. Like Apple's phones, don't give you nearly as much flexibility. In terms of like what you can do with the camera app.
Right. Or like multitasking.
That's another thing they do.
I can do anything.
You'd have two windows going simultaneously. You could have a YouTube video. Well, you kind of can do that window in window. You can kind of do that with Apple, with YouTube. With YouTube.
it'll like. let you have like a little tiny window.
Right.
But with this it'll separate your screen for you.
I can talk on the phone and watch a movie. Yeah.
Yeah, literally it'll separate your screen for you. And show you the two things. It's pretty interesting. It's the amount of very. But it's all that locked into that Apple world.
Which so many people, including me, are locked into that world. Yeah. So, if you do deviate. It's like what are you doing. It's like you're living in the woods now.
Yeah. With your green bubble.
People will probably listen to the podcast and be like. I used to, like that Remy guy. I can't trust anything he says now.
Oh, my God. It is interesting. I don't think that it's a monopoly. I just think that they've developed a way to make a product. That everybody wants.
I mean it's a sneaky move. But like, how is that any different than like Nike. If you wear Nike, you're cool. If you wear Keds, you're a fucking loser. Yeah.
You know it's like. Do you notice when you have them on that much. I mean I guess maybe you do. by the way they look. But yeah.
What's the difference. Like why do you care.
I don't really give a shit. Like. I don't care what other people use. I just use what I like.
What problems do you encounter by using an Android phone.
It's mostly just people complaining about the bubble situation. That's it. And I'm like people are like. it's so on your phone. And I was like no.
Like, there's actually. no. It doesn't even matter. I guess they started doing something like a screen or something.
On your phone. you can have your text in all kinds of different colors.
Yeah, it doesn't matter.
But you can change it. There's like different ways you can have it set up.
I think that's the main problem. And then I think the other problem is when somebody sends like a photo. Because. Yeah. Yeah.
I'm not, I'm not a spokesperson.
It's SMS.
Yeah. It's the most old technology there is. And so you can't communicate with my phone, not because your phone's superior. But because it doesn't use new technology.
That's the argument that would. Apple is the. Apple is actually having to take a step to combat that. And so what they're doing is they're coming out with RSA, RCS texting. RCS texting is rich, something.
I forget what it's called. But what that means is that you'll be able to have the same capability that you have. Like, say, if you use WhatsApp or Signal. Right. Right.
If you use one of those encoded messaging services, you can send a full resolution photograph. You can send a video. Yeah. There's not like a size limitation. So with the iMessage, you could send anything back and forth to iMessage people.
But if someone wants to send you a photo, they have to send an SMS. So it could be this like you know, huge, amazing high resolution photo you took on your Android phone with that crazy 200 megapixel lens. Yeah. Well, I get this bullshit ass. Right.
Bro, your fucking camera sucks. Exactly. Because it compresses the shit out of it. And the videos are the worst.
The worst. Like it's a little square.
It's like you're back in 1998.
. Right. It's like AOL.com. You've got mail. That's what it looks like.
Exactly. But it's like just get your shit with the rest of the world, man.
Apple should have done that a long time ago. They were only like Tim Cook literally said get your mom an iPhone. When someone said how come you know, I can't text with my mom. Get your mom an iPhone. That's what he said.
My neighbor was like whoa. That's not the way to handle it, fella. You're going to get people mad at you. They just have everybody locked in. It's pretty smart.
Whatever they've done, it's quite genius, because the psychological aspect of it is what's interesting. You know it's similar to, like Windows and Macs, but it's more because you're using it in public with everybody. Whereas, like if you have a window or if you sent me an email from a Windows laptop and I have a Mac laptop, I have no idea you're sending me it from a Windows. It's just coming in as an email. It's the same thing.
So they figured out a way to have the thing that you carry and use the most connected to a brand that has status attached to it.
It's genius. Pretty clever. It's the best technology they got.
I don't see how that's illegal, though. No. No one's stopping you from going out and getting a Samsung.
Right. Yeah, that to me is weird.
Google is one of the biggest companies in the world and they have their own phones. Right. They have Pixels. Yeah. Which is also a great phone.
Yeah.
And then you can take those. Interestingly, I've been going back and forth with people about this because I had a conversation with Tulsi Gabbard, where we're talking about these phones that are de-Google phones. And I guess I misspoke because I was saying that you can't use all the regular apps with them. So I think you can, but I just don't know if you could use, because it doesn't track your location. So I don't know how you would use like Google Maps without giving it access to your location.
Yeah, I think you would, if you use those apps right.
So does it, but then does it keep your location, or does Graphene keep it from doing that.
I'm not sure, I'm not.
Because Google just gives Google a little snitch. Google gives you up wherever you are.
Wherever you are with that phone, they know who you are. Oh yeah, for sure.
So I was watching this video on this last night by that Rob Braxman guy and he was explaining. He's an interesting guy that is like all about. his whole YouTube channel is about privacy. It's all about how many people are siphoning off information off your phone and everything every day. But what he was saying?
that the people that got arrested January 6th, all the people that were like around the Capitol. They got arrested because of their cell phone data. So their cell phone data gave their geo location, their tracking. And so what the FBI did was say hey, who is there? and they went to all these different cell phone companies.
They got all their data and they said well, all these people shows that their phone was on the Capitol lawn or was in the Capitol building. And they know where they were. And so then they go hey, you're going to jail.
That's wild.
Yeah, from your location of your phone. Yeah. And even if you were there just to see what's going on. Like if you and I were there and you have your bullshit snitch phone over there. And that bullshit snitch phone is just constantly giving off all of your location to anybody in every app that asked for it.
And you're on that Capitol lawn and you're like. this is crazy, let's get out of here. And then all of a sudden, like six months later, the FBI knocks on your door and thinks you're an insurrectionist.
Yeah, that's wild. See, I like it, knowing where I'm at. So when the A.I. takes over, it's like oh, he's one of the good guys. He's on our side.
Yeah, he's not one of them, Ted Kaczynski, guys living in the woods trying to blow us up. Right. Yeah, I think inevitably there will be no escape. And I think all this de-googled stuff and it's great. It's really probably good to protect yourself from, you know, the prying eyes of big government and big business and big data and all these people.
It's probably good to not do that. But also, you know it's happening. Yeah. It's happening. kids like we're getting sucked into some new world.
Yeah.
Whether you like it or not, that's coming.
It's how it is, unfortunately.
It's how it is.
Yeah.
It's how it is. Brian Simpson's funny, because he was just complaining the other night. He's like I give Google all my information. I like, go ahead, spy on me. Get it all.
And they still fuck it up. They'll still offer me ads like bitch. why did you think I would want to buy that.
That's good. It's true.
It's like, it's not perfect yet.
No.
It's not perfect.
But yeah, that's just the world we live in, apparently.
Does it mess with any of the things like Onyx Hunt or anything like that. Is there any difference between those.
Every once in a while, you'll get an app that's not developed as well for it.
OK.
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