Dennis Quaid
2024-01-13 00:48:28
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Dennis Quaid is one of the most famous actors in the world, he's been in about 150 movies spanning almost 50 years. And he is at the same time a really interesting and engaged person, with a lot to say, who thinks a lot and thinks freely. He's also an accomplished musician, but he has a project coming up that you probably ought to know about. We thought it was definitely worth telling you about.
And so we're grateful that Dennis Quaid is joining us on set right now. thank you for joining us.
Thank you, Tucker, we're so glad to be here.
I mean, I could ask you a million questions, but I want to get right to the project that's coming up right now about our power grid. That you did. Can you just give us a quick overview of what this is and why did you do it?
It's called grid down, power up, and it's about an issue which concerned me really for quite some time. They did a little segment on 60 Minutes about this. But basically, there is a 100 probability that our sun generating what they call a GMD, which is a solar storm that hits our Earth. And the magnetic field that we have around the Earth. And can fry everything that is electric above the ground, including our entire grid.
And this would happen organically, naturally. That's just what the sun does.
It has happened. There was a they call it a Carrington event, which happened in I think it was 1859. And at that time, basically, we had telegraph lines as far as electricity goes, and it fried our entire telegraph system. It was set up, had to be replaced.
And.
The entire thing.
The entire thing. And so imagine what that would do now with a very large storm, which there's a 100 chance of it happening. That was a 100-year event, they call that one and....
I'm not going to match. But 1859.
But in the trillions of dollars that it would take to replace all that, plus there wouldn't, we wouldn't even get to spend those trillions of dollars. Because it would take out not only the electricity, but, you know, all of our entire infrastructure and our society runs our electricity, we don't, we don't know how to live without it. You turn on, there wouldn't be any water in your tap, there wouldn't, you couldn't get gas for your car. Because the whole system is broken down, everything that we rely upon would be gone.
The food would melt in our refrigerators, there would be. And they predict within a year, about 90 of the population would be dead from starvation disease. Or, you know, people, it gets back to the stone age again.
Killing each other.
Yeah.
Well, that's shocking, yeah, so a bit of information.
It really lifts your day, doesn't it? It does.
I mean, I just sort of I'm adding that to the armageddon file that's growing.
Nobody's, nobody's really talking about it. And in fact, President Trump actually signed an executive order to harden our grid to protect ourselves against an event like this happening. Obama tried to get that going as well. And it's stuck in these regulatory agencies that, you know, and lobbyists, because money needs to be spent. Most of our grid power companies are privately owned, and you can understand them not wanting to spend money on something that might occur.
But this is definitely going to occur.
And so it would mean.
And this is not from a foreign adversary, this is just a solar cycle or....
Well, we'll get to that in a minute, okay, but this is....
Yeah, but we're starting with just what nature might do.
This is not what you call an enemy. This is, you know, the sun that we rely upon every day. And these solar storms that happen, and they happen with, you know, frequency. And you've seen everybody's seen, you know, pictures of the sun, where you know the storm is happening. And these flares come out and they're ejected out into the solar system, and we just, you know, like in packets.
And we, I think it was 2014, we barely missed one by five days that went across our path of orbit around the Sun. And it's going to happen. And then, you know, once it hits the Earth, there's a 50 probability of it either being us or the eastern hemisphere. Who's ever exposed to the sun?
So is there anything that you can do? I mean, could you harden our electrical grid?
Yes, there are simple things that we could actually do.
That could be built in that, would, you know? Not only for the military, which we'll get to, but a civilian infrastructure to protect it. That relatively inexpensive compared to what it would cost if an event like this happened. And overall, over time, it'd probably be about $100 billion, about the same that we just gave to Ukraine.
So, you know, to protect them from the Russians, and there'd be money spent. Plus also, the, you know, the process of doing this. You know, it's like a space program, you find out all kinds of other things that actually help society and advance us in our technology. But basically relays, protective relays that could be put at our substations and transformers that an event like this happens. Kind of similar to kind of a surge protector that you have in your computer.
That since that, you know, there's a surge like that and cut it off to protect it, frying our transformers.
Would, and pardon my total ignorance on this topic. I'm embarrassed. But would such a solar storm hurt people or just electrical components?
No, it doesn't hurt people.
It's only like the, you know, transistors and you know, anything electrical, and you can melt it, these transformers that we have.
I think there's.
There's, you remember the blackout that happened in New York not too long ago, and that, you know, it took? It was trees that were hanging over a power line just like that, which caused the, you know, surge of power and upset the balance. And it all relies on these transformers that get overheated and they, if you need to replace one, you don't just replace one. They weigh about 500,000 pounds to begin with.
They get them, it takes. If you want another one, it takes two years to get one. We just don't have them sitting around, just ready to replace either. It's really difficult, it takes time.
And if you had a situation where your your supply chains got off. And you know, we get some of them from China, by the way. And it's, you know, it's just tough to do.
If I can just ask you a dumb question, so this? An event like this happened in 1859 and it took out our entire telegraph system. So this has been known for quite some quite some time, and yet we built a system that's vulnerable to it.
How did that happen? Well, the storms, the storms come in varying intensities. That carrying thing, an event, must have been, you know? Upwards of, like 85 volts per meter, I think that's what the figure is, the way they measure it, and our system is built to take on like eight volts per kilometer.
I mean, eight kilometers.
And it, it won't handle it. That's what Obama wanted, that's what Obama did when he by executive order, wanted to harden our our system. What it brought up to that, and the regulatory people, NERC and FERC took it and said, and wound up just protecting our infrastructure. To eight volts, and so it's like 10 times less.
There was because of these other storms that came through, you know, one, I think, was like, 12, another one was this or that. And so they. It wasn't a worst worst case scenario, in other words, that they prepared for.
And that's what you need to prepare for.
You're describing what we used to call when we believed in God, acts of God.
Yeah, whatever.
But things that no human can control, right? But there's a whole....
Force majeure, exactly.
So there's a whole nother category, though, of attacks from adversaries or terrorists.
Yes, that's the other thing, and what are those? Another? another? A scary thing, I think, you know the world as far as.
The danger in the world today is much greater than when I was growing up. I grew up at the height of the Cold War, where, you know, we had duck and cover. Yeah, I lived in Houston, which was within that circle during the Cuban missile crisis of getting hit and probably would have been hit by the bomb. And it's scarier today than it was then.
At least we had mutual.
Mutual annihilation. And we had deterrence, you know, based on that, that we wouldn't pull the trigger because the other your adversary was going to destroy you, too. And today, you know that that club has grown. Where it's not only Russia, the United States, it's North Korea, yeah, Pakistan, that everybody knows.
Pakistan, India, Iran. Yeah, which, you know, they, they believe they already, they already have the nuke, they just don't have the delivery system for it. That could reach the United States.
And you know?
You believe Iran has a nuclear weapon?
I think they do, you know, the Russians have been helping them out.
And if they don't have one, they're going to have one within six months to a year, and it's really we've been approaching it well. They don't have the delivery system, they don't have the, you know, the ICBMs that can deliver that all the way to the United States. They definitely could hit Israel, though, who they're committed to destroying.
And, you know, but they also have their terror organizations, and it's gotten to the point now where it's getting so condensed. You know, the suitcase, dirty bombs, whatever they are, you could definitely rig one of those up and hook it to a scud missile. Put it on a cargo ship just off the United States coast, send it up to a certain altitude, explode it.
And how? That would what they call a super EMP, which is electromagnetic pulse, which is the same thing as a geothermal event. You know, with the sun, it's if you send up a missile, the nuclear, with a nuclear bomb on it. It exploded at 400 kilometers above the Earth. In space. Basically, you won't.
You won't see it, you won't see the explosion because it's in a vacuum of space, you won't hear it. No people will be killed. But the gamma rays, which are thrown out from that would encompass most of the United States and take out this very same grid.
And within which could cause a power outage all across the United States, up to months, even a year, and we'd have the same scenario that we described.
I mean, you hate even to game it out. But like, if that happened, if huge parts of the United States had no power for a year, I mean that, that, I mean, that'd be an extinction event.
Like, you know, they've done a study and 90 percent of the population would be dead within a year, you know, in 18 during this Carrington event. I mean, one thing. We didn't rely on electricity, you know, and everybody had a cow. If you wanted milk, and you had a horse, if you wanted to drive, you know, your car wouldn't work. You, what do you do? Your telephone doesn't work?
There's no way to inform the public about, you know anything, anything so kind of messed up.
So, I mean, that, in some ways, seems far more effective than nuclear weapons.
Not only that, you're not, you're not killing people, and so that makes the decision to use them a little, you know, it's not.
You don't have to, you don't have to wrestle with your your morals, right?
There's no smoking hole in Hiroshima.
Yeah, exactly, and just like, because there are so many actors doing this and their terrorist subgroups as well.
Who do you retaliate against? If it's if it's done from a cargo ship and you don't even know where it came from? So who was? who was the perpetrator?
And who do you retaliate against? And yes, the the military has hardened most of their infrastructure when it comes to this, but they get their electricity. Ninety percent of their electricity comes, ninety nine percent of their electricity comes from civilian infrastructure. So how long is that going to last?
And so, do you think one of the magnified EMP attacks would take out a lot? I mean, what? Like most civilian power plants?
Yeah, just one, what they call a super in emp. And that that has to do with the the altitude where is exploded, you know, from the center of. That covers a certain area, whereas if you were lower down, you would only be able to cover that much area. Because it spreads out in a circle.
So, and just fries, everything.
So why? I mean, I know there are a lot of things to worry about. Yeah, a lot of things are failing at once, obviously. But this seems like you might want to move toward the top of the list of things to worry.
Yeah, I would, I would think so, I really would think so, but it's.
And indeed, the, you know, the Russians and the Chinese have have done so much more to harden and to protect their infrastructure than we have. And so it's down to that whole thing about survivability, you know, being able to survive an attack and to attack someone, and then being able to survive when they retaliate. And they've got that going for them. And it also makes somebody like, you know, Iran who? It's a fraction of what they their military budget is.
And they know they can't defeat the United States, but I mean, even even a simple terror group. You get their hands on a scud missile and and a nuclear device, you can really do some damage. And I don't know why that our government has not been informing us more about this back during the Cold War. When I was a kid, I was, you know, in the fourth grade, we were kids, were informed about what could happen, what to do if, if something happened. At least that, and also let's get something done.
I mean, I don't think the average person has any idea that this threat exists.
I don't, they don't, the majority, the vast majority of the people don't.
Where's the climate lobby on this?
I mean, they're very involved in trying to remake the grid and change our sources of energy and their energy experts. But is this something that they're taking up?
No, not to my knowledge. No, this really, definitely this has to. Well, they would be affected, too, you know, of course, but it's it's, you know, it's. That's all about the fuel that comes to the power agency, or whether it be coal or wind, or whatever it is. But if you knock out these relay stations, the power can't go anywhere.
It's fries, everything.
So this does suggest, I mean, our country, our country's population is clustered in cities.
Yeah.
Those probably aren't going to fare as well.
No, it'd be easier to live in the country. Of course. People who live in the country would probably have better ideas, better knowledge of how to survive after an event like this.
But it's it's a scary proposition. I mean, there needs to be education, and there needs to be something done about it and done about it pretty quick. I mean, these, these protective relays that that could be installed in the transformer. Starting with that, I mean, we have the technology, we know how to do this.
It's not something mysterious that we have to get involved in. What we do need is something like a Manhattan project that we had back during World War II. Where you know the Germans, we knew that the Germans were trying to develop a bomb. And so we, we, we got there quicker. And somebody to cut through all the bureaucratic red tape and be vested with the authority to just to get this done, we could do.
We could do it in a couple of years.
So you mentioned FERC, the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission? Yeah, I mean, that would be. wouldn't that be the agency that would be thinking about this?
They are they? Yes, so you would think that, but that's not the way it works, you know? Obama sent this to Congress to get it done. And then it gets caught in FERC and NERC, because they're controlled by the lobbies, the lobbies of the energy, lobbies that it's about.
They'd have to spend money and.
Which they don't necessarily want to do because, you know, it costs a lot. Yes, it would cost a lot. I think the government should should help in this. And there's so many of them, too scattered across the United States, you know, they're locally owned most of the energy companies.
There's an energy company in South Carolina that is really doing something about it. And there have been some cases where, you know, we've had energy companies that are making moves to protect the grid. But that's only one little part of the grid. You know, it's when it comes down to it, they depend on the on, the one next door to them and the one next door to them.
It would cure the AI problem pretty quick, though, right? You'd have no AI within.
Yeah, exactly.
But you wonder, there's all these? I mean, a huge part of the American economy is based on digital commerce, digital innovation. I mean, this is right.
Financial system is going to break. Exactly, transportation breaks down, your water doesn't work, food delivery is gone.
Your telephones don't work, you go back to, basically, we go back to that current event. The world goes back to 1859 and we're all in the dark and the lights are out.
And you would think that all these other sectors, the economy would be lobbying because they all are dependent on electricity, everybody's dependent on electricity. So if I'm Google or if I'm Microsoft, running AI or whatever like, I need this.
Yes, I would be, especially you. You've got to have that. And plus also just the effects of the gamma rays upon these microchips that they're melted. Actually, you know who? The largest manufacturer of vacuum tubes is Russia.
Vacuum tubes.
Vacuum tubes Russia and China they are still in the business of manufacturing vacuum tubes. Vacuum tubes like the vacuum tubes, they are far more resistant to these gamma rays.
Are you serious? Yeah, than the microchips.
Do they make?
The old analog technology is, you know, would internet dial up, you know?
Are they making horse carriages, too?
They probably should be, they probably should be, yeah.
So okay, well, you just blew my mind.
Yeah, I want to go out and join the cavalry, I guess.
So what kind of reaction are you getting when you tell people this?
A mouths agape, kind of like you, yeah, because nobody hears about it and it's something we don't like to think about, but it's, you know, I think people think of it in terms of an asteroid which is on its way to destroy the earth. You know, that seems like a very remote. in fact, is very remote.
And but this is, you know, whether from the Sun or a bad actor. This is something that 100 chance it's going to happen, and we are just nowhere, no way, prepared for it.
That's absolutely terrifying. So of all the projects you've done, 150-ish, I mean, this has got a rate among the most significant.
Yeah, David Tice, who's? He was a producer, he produced Souls for that movie, and he's a patriot and a really smart individual.
And he was, he called me up because he created this movie, Grid Down, Power Up, that's the name of it. And asked me if I wanted to be involved. And I'd seen that 60 minutes episode. You know about the geothermal event happening like that? And I just said, yes, because I remember it really frightened me when I saw it and I, like everybody else, had just gone on and forgotten it. Because you have, we have so many threats that are right in front of us that, you know, this gets pushed to the background.
It seems like a pretty obvious one, though.
Yeah, and it's always, it's always the one you don't see, you know, that gets you. It gives us feet of clay, basically, you know, we may be the big bad, great, greatest nation on earth, the United States, with all our. But in some ways, all of this technology, this highly industrial complex that we've built, has feet of clay because of this little simple thing.
It's kind of perfect, though, isn't it?
Yeah.
I mean, it is Tower of Babel stuff, like, people build this.
Yeah, it's the Trojan horse.
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Looking back on all you're talking about here, about all the movies that you've done, what are the ones that you remember most vividly?
Well, the right stuff is my favorite.
Why?
Period, because it was when I grew up in Houston, I wanted, you know, John Glenn went up. I was in the second grade, that rolled the TV and everybody that were replaced. Wanting to be a cowboy, everybody wanted to be an astronaut back then, and so, you know, I grew up wanting to be. And then along came the book.
And I read it like, in two days and wanted to play Gordo Cooper. Because he was my favorite astronaut. Back then, he was the youngest one, he was like the rock and roll astronaut. And then I couldn't believe it, I got the part and then it turned out.
Gordo Cooper lived three miles from me in L.A. No way, so I called him up and we became good friends. And he turned me on to a flight school and I learned to fly. I got my pilot's license from that and still flying fly jets now, in fact.
But it was like the ultimate boyhood fantasy, that role, and it took nine months to do it. And Chuck Yeager, Legendary Chuck Yeager, was on the set every day, so it was a great time. It sounds unbelievable.
Yeah.
So you said you were saying off camera that when you started, I think your first movie that you were in or around was 1975.
How long did it take to make a movie, then?
It was at least three months, you know, to make a movie back then. Because of the cameras, you know, you shoot one side of a scene and then you got what they call, turn around and shoot the other person going the other way and seeing the background the other way. And the lights and the cameras that we had at the time meant that it was, at least, you know, a two to four hour turnaround. So you just sit in your trailer and wait for that to happen.
Now all that happens like at 15 minutes, and so movies just move really quick.
But if you're on, if you're taking, you know, months out of your life to go to a location far from your home. And you're in this like biosphere with the other actors, I mean, that's like its own world.
Yeah, that's exactly, and it, you know, it's real time consuming. That's the reason. I mean, now you see actors, you know, doing maybe like three, four movies a year because it doesn't take that long. It's not that they're so picky.
You must get to know the other people on set pretty well.
Yeah, you do.
Yeah, it becomes, you know, it becomes your world. It's a gypsy life, basically being an actor. And, you know, still work a lot and but a lot more time at home now.
But I mean, for decades, you must have spent like no time at home.
Yeah, but that's, that's your life.
What's the most fun location?
It's better than working for a living, let me put it that way, yeah.
What are the coolest locations to shoot a movie at?
Oh, I've been everywhere. I did one in Svalbard. this was a television streaming series. Svalbard has the northernmost airport in the world. It's up there.
Long yard, and it is where Admiral Perry's last stop. Before the North Pole, it's above Greenland, it's 400 miles from the North Pole, like the North, the North Star. Which, if you're, you know, here in our where we are, in our latitudes, you know, it's about like, right there, about 45 degrees.
There it was up here, and we were inside the Arctic circle, which means the northern lights, you see a complete circle of it. It was, it was like being on another planet.
So the earth is round, you're confirming?
The earth is completely round, okay?
So, but you know that?
Yeah, yeah.
Where were you staying there? Yes, I can confirm that they had a they had a great little hotel there. It's kind of a tourist spot for people to come. There were 1500 people there and 3000 polar bears, they like to say.
And it it was, that's an interesting community, actually, because it was started by an American, which is Goodyear Goodyear tires. Yeah, it was he, that guy went over there because they had a lot of coal there on that island, and he, he started coal mine. And people from all over the world came, came there because it was guaranteed work.
And that so it was extremely diverse within that, and it still continues to be that today. It's, it's, it's, it's where a lot of people would come there to get like an an EU passport. So he had, like, at the time that I was living there, there were like 800 people from Thailand there. And you can only stay there like two years, and you're not allowed to die there.
Really.
Yeah, because you can't be buried there.
They're pretty strict.
There's no such thing as, yeah, it's supposedly kind of owned by Norway. But it's also the same place where we had our listening post, observation post during the Cold War. If the ICBMs were coming over from Russia because they come over, and then two miles from where we had ours, the Russians had theirs.
And that little town is like a ghost town. That's another little tourist spot there, it's a fascinating place to go.
And no dying.
No dying allowed.
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So you brought a guitar?
Yeah.
Tell us about your interest in music.
Well, I've been playing guitar. Music was first for me, really from the time I was 12. And you know, you can't act alone in your room. I guess you can, I guess you can, but there's no one to act with.
Acting is reacting for me, but music is, you know, is a thing that your friend at the Kennedy that was. I was kind of like, music acting, music acting, I didn't know, and I became acting. But music has always been laced in there and I've always had a band.
And I knew I was never going to shred a guitar, but I that's why I took up songwriting to get with that.
How hard is that?
Songwriting It's question being hard, I think if you ask any songwriter, it's like an affliction. It's something that you either have or you don't.
And you get an idea that's a song or whatever, and you it just it's going to bother you until you finish it.
Do you have some working their way out of you right now?
Yeah, at this moment.
Can you play one? It has nothing to do with emps.
I need a respite from that.
That was dark man. Play a song, I'll tell you what, I'll play you, a song that I think probably applies to you. Tucker, all right as well.
I wrote this because of Chris Christofferson.
Who he and Kenya Tucker Randy Carlisle did a song of mine, It's Going to Be Out. Did you know? Chris Christofferson? Oh yeah, he's a great guy, fantastic.
But his wife said that nobody calls Chris because they think he's such a legend. They wouldn't take the call, you know, so.
But does he want people to call?
He wants people to call, so now, in my act, when I get up to playing this song, I call his wife Lisa. And we all leave a message where the entire audience says, Hello, Chris, it's good, but I found that myself, dude, it's about me as well. But when you get to after a certain age, after 60, people start giving you undue respect.
For things, I look forward to that by calling you, yeah, by calling you a legend, right? legend, so I wrote this song for that.
Please don't call me a legend. A humble life's not through. It's got a beginning, a middle, but there still ain't no end to what I might yet do. I might just climb all the Himalayas, plant a flag on a planet or two. But if you call me legend again, please wait until I'm in my tomb.
Oh, and please don't treat me special. It makes me feel alone. How can I be the simple person I've always been? If you put me up on some throne? I'm quite capable of making my own mistakes and I'm not afraid of failure.
So if you call me legend again, I might just have to see you later. One more verse Please don't call me a legend. It makes me feel like I already died. That's just a third-hand story about some has-been, and it's probably a lie.
So I'll just keep on keepin on truckin year after year. And if you call me legend again, I might just have to box your ears. You know, I will. I might just have to see you later. Bye-bye.
I might just have to see you later.
Excellent.
That was awesome. You're welcome Tucker. I love that.
I love that kind of music. How would you describe that?
That I don't know Americana whatever. Yeah, exactly. Good old summertime that one.
That's amazing. When did you write that?
Uh, about two years ago, yeah.
In rage.
That was actually—.
I mean, there are threats of violence in the song, I'm just saying.
That was after meeting Chris. That episode kind of sparked that idea.
Who are your favorite musicians?
Who do you listen to? Oh, he was definitely one of them. Yeah, I currently I'm going through the Frank Sinatra songbook, really.
Yeah, because there was nobody could sing like Frank. As a musician, you know, the voice is an instrument, it's phrasing incredible.
You know, Jerry Lee Lewis, he was one of my piano teachers when I did Great Balls of Fire.
You knew him?
Yeah, he was my—the whole time we were doing the movie, he was right over my back going. You're getting it wrong, son. He was really quite an amazing human being in all kinds of ways. That was an animal, yeah.
What was John Prine like?
JoHN PRINE Yeah, he was just a sweetheart of a person, you know, really extremely talented, oh, and such a like a pure musician, yeah.
You know, it wasn't about the fame and fortune for him, as much as it was about the music. And as a songwriter, I mean, nobody could turn a phrase like him.
Kind of by himself in that category, but what? But he never really became a household name.
Yeah, but a lot of people know him and it's, you know, and his music will go on. I mean, you take somebody like Kris Kristofferson, you know, I think that's really kind of the measure. You know, I take a song like Bobby McGee, Yeah, they'll be singing 500 years from now.
100 percent, you know.
But no one will, they, everyone thinks. Janis Joplin wrote it.
Yeah.
But okay, she didn't. Yeah, I particularly like songs that sound like they were written by Anonymous, you know, a lot of those American songs that are like written on the frontier.
Yeah, just as traditional. Yeah, exactly.
Did you ever know Willie Nelson?
Yeah.
Yeah, I've played with Willie Nelson, in fact, on stage a couple of times.
What's he like?
He's a very generous man, and I mean, that's what his contribution to music. And he's still doing it, man, he's still doing it, just as great as ever.
Yeah, he's like 90 years old. In the end. Looking back on your life, are you more excited about making movies or playing music?
Living life, yeah, that's what it is for me now, you know, it's like I've been really. My autobiography is going to be called my lucky Life. Because I've really gotten a chance to do so many things that I never would have thought I could have done.
And at this point, you know, my movie career, which has been so fantastic, it's so fulfilling really. I enjoy it so much more now. Making movies. Because I'm not trying to get anywhere, I'm not trying to attain something, I'm just doing the things that really interest me. And, you know, that keeps the joy in life.
Of course.
Do you think that, you know, in 30 years, Hollywood will still be a creative force?
I don't know, I really don't know. It seems to be spreading out. Yeah, you know, we're trying to get a Hollywood started in Texas, actually.
We're trying to bring filmmaking there as an industry, not just as a destination for Hollywood, you know, and I mean, the way it is now. Not so many movies are made in California anymore anyway. And a lot of the ones that I see in the previews, they all look like the same movie.
You know, a few really sneak by there every once in a while.
Occasionally, yeah, so I just got to ask, got to end it with the question I ask everybody. But I'm just interested, like, where do you see the country in a year?
In a year.
Yeah.
Well, I'm really, I'm really tense about next year. Yeah, election year. It seems that, you know, more than any other time, it's everybody's got to, like, pick a side.
Yeah.
And it's both Democrats and the Republicans. I'm an independent, by the way, and always have been. I thought, in both ways, you know, according to what the pendulum I thought the country needed. But both sides seem to think that our country is going to be doomed. It's that democracy is going to be over if one or the other wins, yeah.
And so how do we get to that place where we can have that transition of power like we did not so long ago? Where at least people could tolerate it without having to? You know, basically have a coup in one way or another, a military coup. We really are, I'm afraid of us becoming like a Banana Republic like that, and we're the United States of America. We're Americans, yes.
And I do, I do believe.
I mean, things are a little bit more, they're scarier than the word 68.
I mean, Kennedy, Kennedy, Bobby Kennedy was shot, Martin Luther King was shot. All the riots, you know, cities were burning, dead, but we knew who the we knew who the leaders were back then.
You know, now it's just this kind of underground, simmering rage on both sides, and I, you know, setting aside who's right, who's wrong or whatever. I just think we need to find ways to unite, and America's always found a way to unite. I mean, things back when they were making the forming the constitution, you know, there was. It wasn't McCain, the other senator, in fact, in the chambers, it was. It got really bitter, it was always about to fall apart.
Yeah, it was fragile. And Reagan is right. You know, our democracy is, you know, can be lost in a generation. It only takes a generation to lose it, you know? And I think we need to educate our kids what a great country this is and that we're in spite of our way.
We don't agree that, we agree to that, we're Americans.
And so God bless us. And you know, I just like to see cooler heads prevail.
You feel that there are cooler heads out there.
Yeah, I think as individuals we're.
We can be, we have, in general, we have cooler heads. You know, it's, I guess it's the mob, that that, whether it be on the right or the left, or somewhere else. You know that it gets confusing, you know, it gets really confusing.
Well, I hope I see you in a year.
I think I will tugger.
I think so, too.
Either here or in Maine.
Great to see you, thank you.
On that note, thank you very much for having me.
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