Biden-Xi Meeting, GOP Tensions, State Department Dissent

2023-11-15 00:13:01

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President Biden wants to talk with China's president about talking more.

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To get back on a normal course, corresponding, being able to pick up a phone and talk to

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one another in a crisis.

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Can he get their militaries talking, too?

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I'm Steve Inskeep with A. Martinez, and this is Up First from NPR News.

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Republicans worked with Democrats to avoid a government shutdown, and some Republicans

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are upset.

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One says he was elbowed in a hallway.

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What kind of chicken move is that?

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You're pathetic, man.

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What does the incident say about Republican infighting?

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Also, the State Department has a dissent channel for employees who think U.S. policy is wrong.

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What did some say about U.S. support for Israel's war against Hamas?

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President Biden laid out a modest goal for a meeting with China's leader.

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Xi Jinping is in the San Francisco Bay Area for a meeting of the leaders of many Pacific

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nations, and he plans a one-on-one with Biden.

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Relations between the world's two largest economies are now bad enough that Biden just

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wants to talk more.

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If you get back on a normal course of corresponding, being able to pick up a phone and talk to

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one another in a crisis, being able to make sure our militaries still have contact with

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one another.

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NPR senior White House correspondent Tamara Keith is going to have a front row seat for

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the first part of that meeting today.

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She joins us now from San Francisco.

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Tam, it just seems like the goals bar for this meeting is low, just being able to talk

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on the phone.

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So what makes this meeting consequential?

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Well, relations with China have been chilly.

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Biden and Xi haven't even spoken since last November, and it's been more than a year since

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China broke off military-to-military communications channels with U.S. officials.

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And American leaders are not making a secret of the fact that they really want to see those

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communications restored.

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That's one of the goals of this meeting.

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And it's important because the best way to prevent conflict is to talk.

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If there's understanding of what the other guys are doing, conflict is less likely.

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For Biden, this is also an important meeting because it's a chance to demonstrate what

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his priorities are.

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Countering China has been at the top of his foreign policy agenda, but you wouldn't really

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know it because he's had to deal with all of these other issues, a land war in Europe,

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now the crisis in the Middle East.

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And he plans to talk to Xi about both of those global issues as well.

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All right.

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So what else could actually come out of this meeting?

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We're expecting President Biden to hold a press conference later today where he will

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announce what the two nations have agreed to.

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There have been a lot of conversations leading up to this, and there are signs that there

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could be some sort of agreement aimed at reducing the flow of the ingredients used

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to make the deadly synthetic opioid fentanyl.

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Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer told reporters yesterday that he's optimistic that

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could happen.

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It's something that he raised with Xi last month during a visit to China.

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I can't think of anything that would do more to stop fentanyl from coming into the United

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States than China stopping the flow of these precursor drugs, which incidentally are illegal

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in China, but they don't do anything to stop them.

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But a word of caution here.

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Back in 2018, I covered a meeting between Xi and then President Donald Trump.

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And the big outcome then was a commitment to reduce the flow of fentanyl.

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And yet it is still a major problem killing tens of thousands of Americans every year.

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So it's the sort of commitment from China where actions may be a lot louder than words.

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Now getting this meeting on the calendar just seemed like it was arduous.

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The process just took a while and very secretive.

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So I mean, why was there so much suspense about this?

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Yeah, the details have been kept under very tight wraps.

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The White House has been unwilling to even say where the meeting is happening due to

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security concerns.

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But a source familiar told me that it will happen at a historic venue south of San Francisco.

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That's as far as they would go.

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Every detail has been carefully curated.

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This source tells me that all the logistics were choreographed right down to what President

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Xi will see out of windows.

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And let's just say that the protest culture here in the Bay Area is alive and well, something

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that doesn't really exist in China.

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So it's not something that the Chinese president would be accustomed to seeing.

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He's also not used to reporters shouting questions, but we're going to do it anyway.

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Absolutely.

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NPR's Tamara Keith.

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Tamara, thanks a lot.

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You're welcome.

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The House of Representatives voted to avoid a government shutdown yesterday.

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Yeah, the fractured Republican majority had to work with Democrats to manage that basic

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goal and that has exposed more tensions in the majority.

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At one point, two Republican lawmakers collided in a hallway.

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Tim Burchett of Tennessee accused former House Speaker Kevin McCarthy of shoving him.

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What kind of chicken move is that?

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You're pathetic, man.

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Reporters were watching this incident and including NPR congressional mixed martial

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arts correspondent, excuse me, congressional correspondent, Claudia Grisales.

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Claudia, what did you see?

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Good morning.

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I was interviewing Burchett when I saw McCarthy and his detail come by.

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It seemed that McCarthy shoved into Burchett and a chase ensued and that confrontation

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is what you just heard.

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And this is part of the same struggles we're seeing play out with Republicans in terms

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of the differences, the bitterness earlier this year, the same struggles we saw during

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the speakership fight.

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These are all still there.

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Before I shared the news yesterday of what I saw between McCarthy and Burchett, House

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Speaker Mike Johnson yesterday talked about these pressures they're facing.

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This will allow everybody to go home for a couple of days for Thanksgiving.

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Everybody cool off.

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Members have been here for, as Leader Scalise said, for 10 weeks.

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This place is a pressure cooker.

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So this pressure cooker is something I've been tracking recently.

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One reason why is that it's rooted in the concern that tensions have been so high that

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they could lead to altercations like the one I saw play out right in front of me.

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And even passing this temporary funding measure to avert a government shutdown yesterday does

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not erase the very, very difficult differences that remain.

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What is Kevin McCarthy saying about this?

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He's denying this happened later.

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He held a press conference to defend himself.

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He's insisted that it was not intentional, that it all happened in a narrow, crowded

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hallway where it's difficult to pass through when interviews are happening.

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But we should note this hallway was wide enough for McCarthy and his detail to get through.

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Burchett and I had moved to the side.

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So you would not expect any pushing, shoving or elbowing in terms of what played out yesterday.

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And McCarthy has been accused of this before.

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Former Illinois Republican Congressman Adam Kinzinger noted something similar happened

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to him when he was in Congress in a recent book he just released.

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Is it the House or the octagon?

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My goodness.

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I mean, it seems like it's that bad.

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It's wild.

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Yeah.

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The temporary funding measure that passed the House.

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What's expected to happen in the Senate?

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So the Senate is expected to take this up next.

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We're expecting a strong bipartisan vote there as well.

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So Congress is on track to avert a shutdown.

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As for the House, even as Johnson saw this major victory yesterday, there was a bipartisan

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vote of 336 to 95.

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There's still a long ways to go before repairing these ultimate tensions that linger here.

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And a new shutdown threat is now pushed off to early next year.

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But both chambers are still facing the prospect of coming up with permanent funding plans.

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And meanwhile, House conservatives keep taking down spending bills.

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It undermines the argument that they'll get this done with the extra time.

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And some members are making vague threats that could include ousting Johnson if he keeps

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going down this path of bipartisan votes.

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So the anger here is very present.

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There's fights in the Senate as well.

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So just the overall toxicity here is not great in terms of going into next year's election

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year.

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That's NPR congressional correspondent Claudia Grisales.

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Keep your head on a swivel.

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I will.

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Please.

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Thank you, A.

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Israel says troops have entered Gaza's biggest hospital complex for what it called a precise

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and targeted operation against Hamas militants at al-Shifa Hospital.

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Many patients, doctors and civilians remain at that hospital amid heavy fighting.

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Israel today also promised to begin allowing fuel into Gaza now that the United Nations

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says its fuel stocks there are empty.

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The Israeli military faces widespread calls for a ceasefire in its campaign against Hamas

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for humanitarian reasons.

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And objections over that campaign have led to some internal disputes from the U.S. State

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Department.

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Yeah, lately, disagreements over U.S. support for Israel have made their way onto a dissent

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channel there.

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NPR diplomatic correspondent Michelle Kellerman joins us now to discuss what's happening.

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What do we know about the kinds of objections that have been raised?

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Well, we don't know much about the actual dissent cables or a letter at the U.S. Agency

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for International Development that has its own system for employees to register opposition

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to policies.

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Officials at both of those agencies like to keep these channels private to allow employees

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to come forward without the fear of retribution.

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We also don't really know the numbers of people who have signed on.

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But even if a couple of hundred, as has been reported, that's still a small percentage

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of those agencies.

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And there's been only one resignation that we know of so far at the State Department.

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But the general thrust I'm hearing is that the dissenters want the U.S. to press Israel

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to agree to a ceasefire.

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The Biden administration argues that a ceasefire would allow Hamas to regroup and instead has

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been encouraging temporary humanitarian pauses.

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All right.

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So we don't know a lot about what or who is in these dissents.

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So what have U.S. officials been saying about them?

4Speaker 4
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Well, they say they're listening, meeting with staff, both headquarters and in the region.

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That's true at the U.S. Agency for International Development.

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And that's true for Secretary of State Antony Blinken.

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Here's what his spokesman, Matthew Miller, had to say.

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He encourages people to provide feedback.

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He encourages people to speak up if they disagree.

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It doesn't mean that we're going to change our policy based on their disagreements.

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He is going to take their recommendations and make ultimately what he thinks is the

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best judgment and make his recommendations to the president about what we ought to do.

4Speaker 4
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And President Biden, as we know, says that Israel has the right to defend itself after

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the October 7th attack.

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He has been encouraging Israel to do more to protect civilians, especially around those hospitals.

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So his policy and his rhetoric have evolved over the course of the conflict, but not as

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much as some diplomats and aid staff would like.

2Speaker 2
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Is this internal dissent channel a new thing?

4Speaker 4
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No, the channel isn't new.

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It dates back to the Vietnam War and diplomats have used it for, among other things, to call

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for changes in policy in Iraq, Afghanistan, and to raise objections to the Trump-Muslim ban.

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But retired diplomat Pete Romero says there have been more leaks recently, and that's

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tough in what he calls a really toxic political environment.

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I don't know whether it's different or whether it might be the new normal, where people are

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expressing their dissent and it becomes public and it becomes part of the public debate.

4Speaker 4
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He has a podcast called The American Diplomat, and the episode's coming out this week is

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on dissent.

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And he says young diplomats in particular are really trying to figure out how to express

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dissent while still being a team player.

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NPR's Michelle Kellerman.

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Michelle, thanks.

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Thank you.

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