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Every time I cook, I set my smoke alarms.
It's terrifying.
Oh, but that's a sign of good cooking.
That's what I'm told anyway.
Or bad cooking.
Intensive. Lots of smoke.
You're working hard.
Maybe got one of those hood fans over the-
I do, so now I turn that on and open windows.
So, I mean, you should really try my hood.
You do that preemptively?
I do it preemptively now.
They're just so sensitive.
You can start off.
I'm like, all right, gotta air this out.
Layla, it's 100 degrees.
Why are your windows open?
Yeah, well, I'm cooking.
My meals are delicious with a tinge of charcoal.
I'm kidding, I'm a great cook-ish.
No, I believe it.
Donald Trump posed for a mugshot and dodged a debate
and sat for an interview on social media.
It's been a really busy week for the former president,
so what will it mean for his campaign?
I'm Steve Inskeep with Layla Favreau,
and this is Up First from NPR News.
A musician who seemed to have come out of nowhere
has a number one song that some extremists may like.
It could potentially open up a wider audience
that they might normally not have access to.
What does Rich Man North of Richmond say?
And a mercenary leader's last act
before his presumed death
was to recruit for operations in Africa.
Will the Wagner group's influence continue to grow there?
Stay with us, we have the news you need to start your day.
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From being an unseen presence on a Milwaukee debate stage
to posing for a historic mugshot,
a shot heard around the world, if you will,
former President Donald Trump has had a busy week.
Yeah, Wednesday night, eight of his rivals
made a case for themselves,
although most avoided direct criticism of the front runner
they, in theory, are trying to catch.
Trump spun his own narrative in an interview on X,
the former Twitter, and then last night,
he was booked on 13 felony counts
related to election interference in Georgia.
NPR White House correspondent Franco Ordonez
covers the four-time indicted former president
as well as the president currently in the Oval Office,
and he's here to unpack Trump's week and the weeks ahead.
Good morning, Franco.
Good morning, Layla.
So let's talk about this week,
topped off with a mugshot, as we mentioned.
What were the highs and the lows?
Although I guess I can guess the low there.
Yeah, I mean, it was not really
the best week for Trump at all.
I mean, you can make the case that he made the right move
skipping the debate, and tens of millions of people
also watched his interview
with former Fox News host Tucker Carlson.
It really was a defiant act of counter-programming
where he attacked several of his Republican rivals on stage,
also President Biden and Fox News itself.
I mean, he argued that it was not worth it to debate
when he was so far ahead.
But all this, the debate, his interview,
was really, really overshadowed,
but as you guys were saying, his Georgia indictment
and the trip he took to the Fulton County jail yesterday
to turn himself in.
And yet, with the mugshot, the criminal indictments,
the sets of fingerprints,
he's still in the lead for the GOP nomination.
Can anything shake his support
within the Republican voting base?
I mean, it doesn't look that way, certainly not yet.
I mean, at the debate, as Steve was saying,
his top rivals really continued to largely stay away
from directly attacking him, and those who tried were booed.
I mean, any line of support for Trump was widely cheered.
I will note, though, that most on stage backed Pence
for his actions on January 6th,
saying he did the right thing
and rejecting Trump's efforts to get him
to stop the certification of the vote.
So after a busy few days with rivals debating his relevance
and a booking in Georgia,
what's coming up for Trump in the weeks ahead?
I mean, the indictments are just the beginning.
Last night, we covered the trip to the jail.
He got the mugshot, as you noted.
And, you know, this is just one of four indictments.
The first hearing related to January 6th
is on Monday on federal charges,
and he's not stopping run for president.
I mean, within hours, his Super PAC
was circulating his mugshot to stoke support and raise money.
And apparently, he's returned to Twitter,
or as it's X, as it's called now, posting his mugshot.
It's the first time he's posted in more than two years.
And PRs Franco, Ordonez, thanks, Franco.
Thank you.
At the Republican debate in Wisconsin,
this was playing before the candidates even spoke.
These rich men north of Richmond,
Lord knows they all just want to have total control.
It's by Oliver Anthony.
He is the first musician ever of any genre
to top the Billboard 100 chart
without making the list beforehand.
That is how quickly his fame has risen.
His song takes the perspective of a working man
who thinks the rich take advantage of him.
That's a familiar theme in country and all sorts of music.
The song also nods to some conspiracy theories,
which has caught the attention of experts on extremism.
So joining us now to discuss
is NPR's domestic extremism correspondent, Odette Youssef.
Good morning, Odette.
Hey, Lila.
So why exactly is this song raising red flags?
Well, there's one line in it, and it goes,
I wish politicians would look out for minors,
that's minors with an E,
and not just minors on an island somewhere.
And that second minors is with an O.
And this is a reference to the Jeffrey Epstein scandal.
And Lila, you'll recall that Epstein was a sexual predator
who died in jail in 2019.
But the far right continues to circulate conspiracy theories
about the circumstances of his death.
And Anthony appears to nod to elements
of the baseless QAnon conspiracy theory
that claims that powerful elites are sex trafficking children
in some of his other online content.
So it's really remarkable to hear these ideas
in a song that's topping the charts.
And it's concerning to people
who study the spread of conspiracy theories
and extremist ideologies.
So tell us more about that.
I mean, this is a song.
Lots of people may simply like it for its musical qualities.
How can it play a role in spreading extremism?
I spoke to Jared Holt about this.
He's with the Institute for Strategic Dialogue.
And he says political movements
always look for cultural artifacts like music or movies
that can help popularize their ideas.
But the problem here is that the song has been seized on
by some far right influencers,
some of whom peddle antisemitism and transphobia.
And if these far right figures are successful
in associating themselves directly with this song,
it could potentially open up a wider audience
that they might normally not have access to all the time.
Okay, so concern around opportunists
latching onto the song to boost their own profiles.
But is there concern that the song itself
could actually turn listeners into conspiracy theorists?
The concern is that mainstreaming this stuff
helps to normalize it.
Michael Crenshaw saw this
when he was a black anti-racist skinhead
in Chicago 40 years ago.
He said that racist music from the UK
played a role in shifting the attitudes
of people around him.
One day they would have a Confederate flag patch or button
or they would have a screwdriver shirt on.
And sometimes they would still be nice to me.
And so then I would have to sit there and figure out like,
this dude listens to music
that talks about killing my people,
but he's still acting like everything's okay.
So it's not like we're gonna see anything change overnight,
but if we continue to see these messages
mainstreamed over time, it could shift people's beliefs.
And I'll note Layla, NPR did reach out
asking to speak with Oliver Anthony,
but received no response.
NPR's Odette Yusuf, thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
U.S. military officials think they know
what happened to a Russian mercenary leader.
General Pat Ryder is at the Pentagon
where intelligence analysts have observed
the plane crash that involved Yevgeny Prigozhin.
Well, our initial assessment is that it's likely
Prigozhin was killed.
Prigozhin left behind some unfinished business.
Days before his death, he released a video
that talked about recruiting strong men
for operations in Africa.
So what is his Wagner group doing there?
NPR's Africa correspondent, Emmanuel Akinwoto,
joins us from Lagos.
Good morning, Emmanuel.
Good morning.
So how extensive is Wagner's presence in Africa right now?
Well, Wagner's significant
in a handful of African countries,
and they've become key there providing support
for some fragile states.
But since the failed mutiny a few months ago,
there's been various interviews,
various clips of Prigozhin.
Many of them are hard to verify,
but they show us what Wagner was trying to project
about Africa and this continent being
increasingly important to them going forward.
This video was released by telegram channels
linked to Wagner in the last week,
and in it, Prigozhin implied he was in Africa,
that Wagner was making Russia great around the world
and making Africa more free in his words.
But of course, that was before this incident this week.
Yeah, so at this point,
what is the likely future of Wagner in Africa,
if we know at all, and the potential impact
on countries where these private soldiers operate?
Well, it may have some impact, it's likely to,
but it's not clear yet.
What we know is that in the last few years,
this group has become more powerful
in the Central African Republic, in Mali,
and then to a lesser extent, maybe Libya and Sudan.
In the Central African Republic,
they've helped secure the government there,
fighting rebel groups, and in exchange,
they've taken control of key mineral resources.
And rights groups have documented
systematic rights abuses and killings by Wagner there.
And a government official from CAR recently,
he lamented Prigozhin's death,
but said their partnership was primarily with Russia.
So you can infer that Russia's going to determine
if and how things change there.
Okay, so how important then is the presence
of the Wagner group in Africa to Russia?
Well, you see this particularly
in the case of Mali, for example.
You know, Mali kicked out French troops
that had been there since 2013
to fight Islamist insurgency,
but they were deeply unpopular,
you know, accused of killings too,
at a wedding by the UN, which France denied.
But when France became isolated from the West,
and it relied on Russia and, by extension,
Wagner to fill that gap.
So Wagner mercenaries help it to exploit
the withdrawal of French troops
that has happened in Mali, in Burkina Faso,
and now, likely, in Niger.
And this, by definition, helps Russia expand,
try to expand its influence in this part of Africa.
NPR's Emmanuel Akinwotu, thank you so much.
Thank you.
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