Broadway’s Longest-Running Musical Turns Out the Lights

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Toot-toot, toot-toot-toot. Mike checks as the sound crew is making sure that everything works. They've checked the lights, they've checked the speakers, it's all starting to happen, all coming together.

Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen. Step on down, take a seat. Can you help find your seats? please? Hello.

The lights are going down.

The crowd is super pumped for this.

From The New York Times I'm Michael Barbaro. This is the Daily in midtown Manhattan on Sunday. Phantom of the Opera, the longest-running show in the history of Broadway, will close its doors after more than three decades.

It's funny, it's actually a lot louder back here than I expected it to be.

Hi, I'm Greg, this is Greg.

Nice to meet you. thank you so much for having me, of course.

Can I just get you saying your name and your title just for the tape?

Sure, my name is Greg Lavode and I'm the production stage manager.

How long have you been here?

About ten and a half years.

Wow.

You guys must have all of this memorized.

Do you hear it in your sleep? Yeah, I joke a lot that I could do every line in the show, but I could only do it if I was saying every single line just straight down.

So where are we right now, exactly?

So we're in the trap room under the stage, so all these trap doors are about to open up as we go into the Phantom's Lair.

And how big is the crew here as compared to other shows?

It takes over 125 human beings backstage to do this show every day, that includes cast and orchestra. But it's an unheard of amount of people this day and age.

How many shows have you managed?

I'd say it's in the high 2000s, almost 3,000 performances.

What?

Every show closes, this is the perfect example, right? Something you think will run forever and it's going to close.

MICHAEL It feels like there are certain truisms about living in this city, immutable facts of being a resident of New York City. And the first one that comes to mind is there's going to be traffic in Times Square. The second is that the pizza here is not as good as everyone says it is. New haven's better.

Right, and I guess I'm not supposed to choose the pizza.

You're not supposed to choose the pizza.

It's a moment that those of us who spend our lives immersed in theater never thought was going to happen. The phantom of the opera is closing. It felt like it was a show that was going to last forever, and for all intents and purposes, it has.

How many years exactly has Phantom been on Broadway?

It hit 35 years in January.

Wow.

I mean, by the time Phantom closes on Sunday, that's going to be the 13,981st performance. It has been seen by 20 million people, and it's made $1.4 billion.

I have to admit that, while awed by its longevity. I don't know all that much about Phantom, the show, and I love musical theater. You know that, Michael, you and I have actually been two shows together, and the thing about Phantom is. There was no rush to go see it because it was always going to be there.

Phantom arrives at sort of an inflection point. Both for Broadway and for New York City. The 70s were a really rough decade. A lot of people were moving out of the city. There was quite a bit of crime, particularly in Times Square, which, of course, is where Broadway is located, where we're located.

And what are those shows?

Well, in 1979 comes Evita.

Wait, we're going to fly right by Evita without even a ballad.

I mean, look, I skipped Joseph, in which I know you played a part in your childhood.

No, no, no, no, no, no, okay, good.

And in 1982?

Memories all alone? In the moonlight, there's cats.

I can smile at you all day. And the central figure in this British invasion is this composer, named Andrew Lloyd Webber. He's the guy who famously wrote the music for Joseph, for Evita, for Cats. And at some point in the mid-80s, he stumbles into a used bookstore and picks up a copy of this 1910 novel, The Phantom of the Opera. And it's in reading that novel that he starts to think seriously about turning this classic story into a musical.

And he does.

And he does.

And just remind us, Michael, of the basic plot of this show that Andrew Lloyd Webber conjures from this novel. It might be embarrassing to ask for this plot, but I need it.

Sure, so. The Phantom of the Opera is kind of a gothic romance. Set in 19th century Paris. It tells the story of this disfigured artistic genius. That's, of course, the phantom who lives holed up underneath the Paris Opera House. And he becomes obsessed with this young soprano named Christine. You alone can make my soul take flight.

And what is the critical response to this show when it opens in New York?

Well.

Right, right.

He writes It may be possible to have a terrible time at the phantom of the opera, but you'll have to work at it.

Backhanded compliment.

Indeed, the review is, I would say, kind of contemptuous of its elements, but it acknowledges that it's effective.

And what did audiences make of it?

Audiences loved it. Before the first performance, there were lines overnight outside the theater to buy tickets. There is something about the show that has enraptured audiences and did so from the beginning.

Help me understand that. I mean, I wonder if there's a moment or a song that captures what it is that has people camped out waiting for tickets and falling in love with the show. In a way that our colleague Frank Rich did not.

I mean, there are a few moments in the show that I think no one who has seen it ever forgets. There's the crashing chandelier, there's the masquerade ball. But I think for many of us, it's when they sing the title song, The Phantom of the opera.

As all of this is becoming a cultural phenomenon in that opening year, just how big a hit does Phantom become?

Look, it's huge.

Everyone who has seen this musical comes away enchanted.

Andrew Lloyd Webber is on the cover of Time magazine. Wow. The show is selling out, there's no question. Phantom of the Opera is the entertainment event of the year and a few months after opening,....

So, more or less, a clean sweep.

Definitely, it's not only selling out in New York, but it's now touring the United States. And the show itself is so big and so spectacular that theaters have to expand their buildings to accommodate it. It is breathing new life into the touring industry, and, of course, in New York, it's kind of a bridge between a Broadway. That was an existential crisis for the art form and the industry....

I'm ready.

Tell me your name.

Marie Johnson.

Marie Johnson And what do you do at Phantom of the Opera?

I do Madame Giry, I play Madame Giry.

So one thing that really interested me about you is early in your career, you were Christine, the ingenue student. Now you are Madame Giry, who is Christine's teacher, instructor, patron. What is it like the whole age of the show has carried through your life?

Yeah, I mean, it's art, replicating life in a way, because I was green. When I was cast as Christine, I was a young performer, it was my second show, so it wasn't hard to do in that sense. Tapping into who she was. And now, same life has moved on and I know a lot more.

And what just feels like, what feels distinct and special about this show?

Especially like, you know, there's nothing else like it. I guess there's nothing else like it. No, just the sense of family between everybody here, and it's a family with a PH. I used to like, hate that term, and now I kind of love it.

They don't know any difference currently. It's kind of a lot of my identity.

It's like, when you get married and you join a family that has a ton of history together. I'm sort of like the new wife in the family. But you've been embraced. Do you think? Totally? It's theater folk, so it's like there's a lot of heart here.

Sort of with our toes up here that way, there's room for people to pass behind us. As the production stage manager, luckily, the 13 minutes of intermission are my closest thing to a break that I ever get in the show.

Being a part of something this big and this long. When you're standing back here, when you do, get a moment, what are you thinking, what's going through your mind?

Just trying to take a mental snapshot, remember what one moment looks like, or sounds like, or even smells like. We have a lot of pyrotechnics in the show and they each have their own unique afterburn-type smell. And by smelling each of those effects, I know which point in the show we're in.

We'll be right back.

This is a.

Michael, Why is Phantom closing? why is this spectacular, seemingly unbreakable juggernaut of a musical theater production finally leaving?

Look, I mean, the bottom line is that everything runs its course. And Phantom was not exempt from the laws of gravity. It just took longer. The truth is that Phantom has had some brushes with death over the years. It's had periods when it's been doing really well and periods when it's struggling. When you went pre-pandemic, there was an amazing number of people who were non-English speakers in the audience, and it was kind of a landmark for global travelers.

Right, and there's not a lot of tolerance for that when it comes to Broadway. So you're saying the death bell is starting to gently toll.

It's bad. And Phantom has some unique vulnerabilities. I mean, first of all, Phantom is a big show. It has a lot of performers, it has a lot of musicians, and it has a very big and elaborate set. But it's also really expensive, and we're living in an inflationary environment, costs are rising and producers decide they need to move on.

And I have to imagine those economic issues aside that after all these decades, the show has possibly also run its artistic course, right? I mean, tastes change.

Yeah, I mean, you're setting a trap for me here, of course, am I? I mean, absolutely. Tastes change, artistic forms change. But sure, it was old-fashioned when it opened. I mean, it's set in the 19th century, its fundamental musical form is opera. And the kind of grandiosity of everything about it is not the aesthetic of 2023..

And what do you mean, what is in your mind? The aesthetic of 2023 on Broadway?

Sure, I've been thinking a lot about this question. I mean, I think, in many ways, Broadway now is sort of bifurcated between two kind of competing forms of performance. Where do you want to begin?

From the top.

One is this Giant branded show. This begins with adaptations of movies, and now we think more about jukebox musicals, which are musicals that are adapted from the song catalogs of pop stars.

And 5, 6, 7 come on.

So I'm thinking about MJ, which is about Michael Jackson, so please put your hands together for a rich debut, and Tina, which is about Tina Turner.

Whoa, what's love got to do, got to do with it?

Of course, most famously Jersey Boys.

You could join the army, you could get mobbed up, or you could become a star.

There are a ton of musicals arriving on Broadway, kind of pre-branded, with very familiar stories or stars or songs.

Right, this is a newer variety of show designed to be commercially successful, not considered the great craftsmanship of Broadway.

Yeah, some of them are super fun, some of them are good, a lot of the performances are excellent, but they're probably not. The shows that are moving the art form forward, and that's the other vein of show that is happening now. And those are musicals that are really different from Phantom. The musicals that I'm thinking about now are often intimate and psychological, and much more focused on storytelling.

Right, and the content is harder. I mean, fun home, I saw it. That's a show about a young lesbian artist revisiting her childhood and the death of her closeted father. I mean, that is not phantom of the opera.

No phantom has its own darkness, but its darkness is mythic, and the darkness of these shows is much more familiar. It's the darkness of our neighbors. You know, look to the show that won the Tony most recently. It's called a Strange Loop.

Me well, I stand apart.

He just doesn't fit into the worlds he wants to be part of.

Broadway gay culture in New York, his own family.

Yeah, look, it's raw, it's painful, it's moving, it's provocative, challenging in all kinds of contemporary ways. That tell us a little bit about how the art form and how Broadway have changed in the decades since Phantom arrived.

Well, stay with that. I mean. What does a journey that takes you from a Tony Award for Phantom in 1988 to a Tony Award for A Strange Loop last year? What does that tell us about the evolution of musical theater, and about we, the consumer of musical theater, and what we now demand from the art form?

I think part of what is being celebrated on Broadway and in theater today is people's ability to see themselves represented on stage. These stories are not the kind of mythic fables of phantom, they are the stories of our contemporaries wrestling with the challenges of modern life.

And that's undeniably a very healthy evolution, because this is a Broadway, this is a musical theater that better reflects modern reality and its complexities. And yet this evolution means that the show that the critics love and that the industry crowns as the best is probably not gonna have the same appeal. As a show like Phantom, I mean, Phantom arguably can bring the grandmother who's ultra-religious, and the kid who's exploring their identity, and everyone in between. And a strange loop. Shows like Fun Home their appeal is narrower. So does Phantom? Closing bring us to a moment in musical theater where the idea of a universally accessible hit with the craftsmanship of prestige theater is perhaps a little bit in danger?

I mean, of course, all of us have been talking for some years about the atomization of taste, right? And when you think about film or television, or pop, music or theater, there is no longer a kind of consensus about what we all like. We don't all like anything anymore, you know? Every show aspires to be universal, and both Fun Home and A Strange Loop. And everything else talks about the universality of its themes, even if its characters are really specific. But the marketplace is telling you that there's something about your premise that is correct, because Phantom has made $6 billion globally. And a strange loop, you know, closed at a loss on Broadway.

Right, despite winning the Tony.

Despite winning the Tony and the Pulitzer and kind of universal critical acclaim.

So this is leaving a hole on Broadway, literally, figuratively, aesthetically, and what do we think is going to fill it?

Yeah, like the majestic theater, this grand, fantastic building, one of only 41 theaters on Broadway, has been locked up by Phantom. And something new is going to go in there. And in a way that's like a symbol for where we are on Broadway, like, we don't get to know what's ahead.

There's a broader palette to choose from.

You know, it was so striking. When we were backstage talking to cast and crew, I expected to encounter a lot of tears and.

We're getting newer audience, different audiences, a more diverse audience. It's sad it's closing, but it will make way, it'll path the way for new creative input to this story. I think that's a great thing.

People were really not bereft, they were kind of sanguine, they were reflective.

I hope these spectacle shows stay.

And that's what Broadway is, Broadway is big, it's size, it's, you know, it's important to be able to experience something like that on a big scale. I think, of course, they're sad that this show that they love and that has sustained them for so long is coming to an end. But they also love the theater, and they recognize that. As Phantom closes, it creates both literal and metaphorical space for another work of art to come in. And that's what everyone looks forward to.

Right as one phantom closes, another Broadway door opens.

As one phantom closes, another door opens. Yeah, I think Broadway is ever-evolving, and what we opened in 1988 has had its time. It's time for there to be new things. So yes, there's loss, but what's to be gained?

Well, Michael, this was truly a wonderful conversation, so thank you very much.

It's so fun talking to you.

We'll be right back.

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