#1950 - Derek Wolfe
2023-03-03 03:04:18
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So, uh, first of all, that's a fucking hell of a ring, sir. Look at that, that's the real deal. I always wanted to see what one of those looked like. Holy shit, look at the size of his finger, bro, my thumb slides up there like nothing.
That's hilarious if you don't think Vikings were real....
That's hilarious, that is so fucking big dude, What's your thumb? I don't know. your thumb's like a fucking broomstick.
That's ridiculous.
It's like a giant thumb.
How big were you in high school?
My senior year, I was like 6'5, 280 pounds, I wrestled heavyweight.
Wow.
Did you ever think about doing MMA? Yeah, yeah, did you.
Well, you know, I started boxing with Henry Hoof down in South Florida.
I love those guys.
Back in 2011 2012, when I first got into the league, I was training for the combine. I was like, man, I'm really into this MMA stuff. I just started doing it, sparring with, just like wrestling with overeem a little bit.
Oh, wow. I'd wrestle with him, keep him against a cage and just drop to a single, bring him down. And he was like, Hey, wrestle. I was like, Yeah, I wrestle, man.
I know what I'm doing.
Then when I moved to Colorado full-time training, I went to South Florida to train. I stopped that. Once I got married, I just had to end that and I moved to Trevor Whitman's Gym. Oh, that's a great fucking gym, too.
Yeah, and Trevor was like, Hey, you should really think about maybe fighting, because it's like, you're 290 pounds and you're moving like this, imagine a 265. And I was like, Dude, I'm not doing that, it's just not worth it.
Is it not worth it? I know you retired from football and you're still in the prime of your life. Did you retire because of injuries? Did you decide that you had enough?
Yeah, it was a combination of all that. So I had double hip surgeries, I tore the labrums off the bone. Oh, Jesus Christ. My NFL, like the injuries I had while I was in the NFL, were just out of control, man.
2013 I bruised my spinal cord, I was paralyzed for three hours and then I played two weeks later.
Oh my god.
And I played for 12 weeks, it was miserable. Every time I got touched, my arms would go numb and I'm a defensive lineman, so my head's getting hit every play.
Holy shit, what was the play that made your spine get bruised?
So I was playing on the end of the line, on the right side and I was playing a cut block. Somebody tried to cut my legs out, so I'm sprawled out to play the cut block. And then the fullback hit me on top of the head. Oh, and I was awake, it didn't knock me out.
It just felt like when you're sitting on a shitter for too long, get up, yes.
And I hit my head on, the nose down.
Oh my God, you must have been terrified.
I was scared, but then when I could feel them touching my toes. Like, a couple hours after it happened, I was in the hospital. That's when I just started making jokes and stuff because I knew something in my head, just said, You're going to be fine. Like, I just had a feeling I had no choice.
I was a young kid, 22 years old, 23 years old.
Wow.
And then 12 weeks later, I was playing good football, still, somehow 12 weeks later, I had a seizure, like a bad seizure, it almost killed me.
Sorry.
So what, did the seizure come out of a play, or did it?
No, it's because I wasn't getting fresh blood to my brain, because there was a bruise on that spinal right at the base of my brain stem. And it never healed. I didn't let it heal. Two weeks isn't going to heal a bruise, you know, holy shit.
It never healed, so I wasn't getting fresh blood to my brain, so I was running on, just like pure adrenaline.
And how did they clear you to play two weeks later?
They told me it was a stinger.
Oh god.
If it's a stinger, you're fine. Well, they said, Well, you know, when you have a big warehouse and you flip the lights off, they come right off. But when you turn them on, it takes a while for them to come back on. That's what they told me happened.
They're comparing you to a warehouse. Yeah, you're like, Hey, motherfucker, I'm a human.
That's when I realized, man, I was like, they don't care about us.
No, there's another guy waiting to take your spot. That's what's so crazy.
And that's why you have to play, yeah, that's why guys play hurt and play banged up.
So how much time did you get to train before you went and played two weeks later?
I just went straight into practice the next week. Wow.
The next week, yeah, so one week after you're paralyzed, you're in practice, yeah.
So they tried to keep me in the hospital after the game. And I was like, when's the plane leaving? and they were like, they're getting ready to go to the plane right now. It's a preseason game, and I was like, Okay, well, I'm getting on that plane.
Then so I had them take me from the hospital to the plane. So the doctors wanted to keep you in the hospital. Yeah, doctors wanted me to stay, but the team doctors were like, you're good.
We can go.
Team doctors are savages. Oh my God.
Well, they did the x-rays and the MRIS right away, right, so we went straight to the ER. I was on a stretcher, they didn't do an ambulance.
They had to bring the ambulance on the field. I couldn't move, I was just stuck in the ground, It was like I was melted, I couldn't move at all.
All my muscles were just it was the weirdest feeling, man, but like I said, I was feeling better. But I think I just tricked my brain into thinking like I was in survival mode. I've been in survival mode since the day I came out of the womb. Man. I just like always surviving, you know, just trying to survive. Through whatever it is that's going on. It's like I disassociate from it and just make it through.
I guess that's a great skill to have if you want to play professional football, right?
Well, I don't know if you saw what Deion Sanders just said about what he's looking for in a quarterback. He wants a two-parent home, a 3.5 GPA, and he wants the complete opposite for a defensive lineman. Really, yeah, he's like, I want it's either football or prison.
Pretty much type of motherfucker is what he wants.
But if you think about the position and you think about what you guys have to do, it kind of makes sense. You have to be fucking barbaric, yeah.
It is a fucking war in there. You've got two, I mean, the way that the size of these offensive linemen now. I mean, they're fucking 350 pounds and there's two of them and they're trying to move you every fucking play.
Oh my god.
And you better. If you play pussy, you're going to get fucked. That's what I would say. You go out there playing pussy, you're going to get fucked. That's just the way it goes.
What is the average lifetime of a career like in the NFL?
Two and a half years, wow, because at that third year you get vested.
So vested means you get pension and all the benefits that come with that.
And most guys don't get there.
And most guys don't get there.
You know, we talk about it with fighting all the time that a real elite athlete in his prime has. Like, nine years you got, like, that's the consensus is there's like nine years of peak performance, and then it's just too much. The wheels fall off, the injuries stack up, you know, the time and training, and then sometimes it's enthusiasm, too. Guys lose that fire that made them a savage in the beginning.
But football is even worse. I mean, it's even shorter time.
Well, it's shorter, but your earnings, right? your earnings, you don't get to that. You're on a rookie contract for your first four years, so you get drafted and you're on that rookie contract. You make pretty much slotted out the money. If you're not a top ten pick in the draft, then you're not really making life-changing money.
I had $7 when I got drafted, though I didn't even have a bank account.
I didn't have shit, I was just a fucking poor-ass kid. From Ohio, I went to Cincinnati and I lived with Travis and Jason Kelsey, we all lived in the same house. I don't know if you know who those guys are, but Travis is like, best tight end in the history of the NFL.
Now Jason's going to be the best center at both Hall of Famers. Just played against each other in the Super Bowl and then our quarterback went up to Canada and won two grade Cups. So we got four Super Bowls and two Grade cups in that house.
And we were at fuck-ups.
We were fucking idiots.
But again, don't you kind of want that? I want football players to be a little reckless.
You have to be.
Same with fighters.
I don't want a fucking boy scout.
Exactly when John Jones kept getting in trouble and people were like, Can you believe what John Jones did? I'm like, John Jones is a wild motherfucker. That's why he's the greatest of all time. You need an element of psycho in there.
You have to be fucked up.
You have to be fucked up.
You do, and that's just the way it goes. You've got to be a little fucked up to do it.
Is that true with all of them? Is that true? You've been around the greats? you've been around some amazing players. Is that true with all of them?
No, no.
Most D linemen, interior defensive linemen, though, they're fucked up, they are. they're just fucking different. Aaron Donald is a different motherfucker. He's going to go down as the best defensive tackle to ever do it.
But he's fucking wild, he's crazy, he tries to kill people out there.
He came in with that, or do you think that also developed over the course of his career?
It develops over your life, right? I don't know his life story or anything, but most of us have been through some shit. And it's just you can kind of see it. When you meet a guy, he's just fucking different, right?
Yeah, and when you meet, then you meet guys. I have, like Peyton Manning, good friend of mine now, you know. We were teammates for four years, won a Super Bowl together, and he still lives in Denver, so we see each other all the time.
But, like, Peyton was like, complete opposite, like he fucking, he like, controlled the room. Everything he did was like dialed in, so dialed in and so professional, like he came to work, like, dressed professionally, right?
Defensive lineman We're coming in fucking slides and fucking shorts and t-shirts and shit right. He would show up fucking buttoned up with a suitcase or with a briefcase, you know. And right to the film room, we're going fucking to the weight room, that's where we're going. So it was just a different vibe, man.
And then, like Demarcus Ware, fucking ultimate, like such a professional, everything about him was professional.
The other linemen that are interior guys, they're usually fucked up. JOHN RANDALL You've heard of him? Yes, this guy fucking slept on a fucking dirt floor growing up. Do you think he's not a little fucked up?
Yeah, and then there's the sport itself, which I mean just the amount of impacts you guys are taking on a regular basis.
Every day, you're getting hit in the fucking forehead every single day.
So like, when someone talks to you about like, fighting in MMA, you're probably like, I've done enough.
I don't want to get kicked in, fucking elbow in the head, punched. No. If I was going to do anything, it was going to be boxing, yeah.
Yeah.
But fuck, because the Klitschko was still the champ, and Trevor was like, you can fucking. You could quote him on this. He was like, we could talk a bunch of shit and fucking get the word out there. Get you a couple amateur fights, get you winning a couple of fights, and he's like, in two years we'll be fighting for a hundred million.
That's what he told me.
Trevor's a wild dude, but he's also a genius.
Oh, it's so much. He took my pass rush game to another level. Yeah, yeah, because I was good at figuring out angles from wrestling on people.
But he took it to another level of like levels, like taking my levels down, like I could bring my level up and get it back down and come out of there with power. So I was just like creating angles on guys and doing shit they'd never seen.
And is that from footwork drills?
Yeah, doing footwork, it was all footwork, everything is footwork. It starts with your feet first and your hands will follow.
And he would have me doing like, switch jabs and shit like that, and I would use that shit on the field. I would switch my feet last second and then cross body and then be able to lower my level and be able to accelerate out of that. And it just like, took my fucking pass rush to another level.
That makes sense, you know, if you learn new skills like that, you know Vasily Lomachenko? Yes, the boxer.
Yeah, his dad made him do Ukrainian dance for two years, made him stop boxing. He's like, Look, you're going to be an amazing boxer, but what I really want you to concentrate on is your feet.
And now, if you watch him fight, have you ever seen him fight? Yeah, see if you can find a Lomachenko highlight. His footwork is insane.
Like, he's standing in front of a guy and then he'll like, switch and throw a jab and circle off to his left and catch him again and circle off to his right. The guy does not know where the fuck he is.
How are you supposed to play chess against that? You know what I mean, because it's a dance out there.
He's such a wizard man, look at him. His footwork came about from, you know, all the stepping like a matador. I mean, the fact that he could just stand.
Look at that, I mean, these angles are insane. And then he lights off, punches. He's the most beautiful of any guy I've ever seen in terms of footwork, because it's like, you're really watching him dance.
Because of the dance background, like his footwork looks beautiful, I mean, my God, who fucking moves like him.
And by the way, guys just put their hands up, they're like, Fuck, I don't know what's coming.
He's really not a lightweight, you know? He fought Teofilo Lopez and lost, and he's fighting these bigger guys. But he's really like a 130-pounder. That's his real weight class.
And if there was big money fights at that weight class and he didn't have to keep going up, I mean, he's a motherfucker dude.
Probably wouldn't be beat.
Yeah, and that's the thing. It's like, it's all from footwork.
Yeah, that's where it all starts, man, it's your base. Yeah. So what the fuck were we talking about?
We were just talking about skills that you picked up training with Trevor. You don't want to fight.
Yeah, I just didn't want to do it because I didn't want to get hit in the fucking head anymore. Smart. And then when it came to be stopping with the NFL, like when I was like, I'm done. I played eight years in Denver, which was awesome. And then I dislocated my elbow bad going into a contract year in 2019..
I was having my best season of my career year eight, bawling out about to get another payday.
And it was like a dead play, so the whistle didn't get blown, a couple guys jumped off sides and the whistle gets blown halfway through the play. So half the fucking field is moving at full speed and half the field's not, and it's like a fourth of an inch's play.
So I try to make the fucking tackle and I like, slow up and I end up slipping and falling and I'm going to get up. And our 330 pound nose tackle goes to like, he's like running straight at me and his fucking shin hits me right in the elbow. And it goes to the ground, dislocated all the way to the fucking ground. I fucking dude I was. I've never been in so much pain.
It hurts so fucking made me want to throw up. I was throwing up in my mouth cause I was grabbing at it and trying to put it back in.
Cause I in 2016 I did that with my right elbow, it came out and I put it right back in and just kept going.
I mean, that's the fucking the shit. Your fingers get popped out all the time, you just put them in and go like, there's no time to fuck around.
I started going and I could just feel it grinding on the bone, grinding against each other, and it was like making me fucking ill. Then they took me in, they took me in a locker room and I was fucking pissed. Cause I knew it was going to cost me a bunch of money, that Elbow deal was going to cost me.
I knew it probably cost me 20 million.
Fucking pissed my own teammate. He didn't mean to, you know, it's not his fault, but it was like, I'm a dead fucking play. I was losing my shit. I fucking slammed my helmet.
I was like, these motherfuckers, like I was blaming the refs and blaming everybody, fucking refs, I'm going to sue the fucking refs.
My turn, All right, you know? Yeah, think, and here's the other thing.
Before games, I was taking micro doses, so I'm micro dosed and I might like full.
You're taking mushrooms.
Yes, yeah, yeah, before games, so I'm taking mushrooms.
That's the Viking in you, yeah.
I'm fucking taking mushrooms and fucking adderall. Wow, oh my God.
Before I play, what a combination, yeah. What is that like mushrooms and Adderall?
Dude, the fucking focus is out of control. And I would just like before games, I would like, I would like get myself pissed off. So I just would start thinking about my childhood, like the shit that I went through as a kid, whoa.
And they would fucking get me in this rage mode and it was like this crazy controlled rage.
So Adderall mushrooms and childhood rage, yeah, all together in a 280 pound savage.
Well, I was like, 300 pounds then, you know.
Oh my god.
I was like 20 pounds heavier than I am now when I was playing.
Oh my god.
I was like a meathead saying wild, crazy shit to quarterbacks. I told a guy I was going to fucking eat his kids. Oh my god, it was crazy.
What did he say?
He didn't say shit, he never talked. I played against this guy twice a year for eight years, and that was in year four that that happened, so four years straight he never said another word to me.
Oh my god.
He was like, This guy's a fucking sicko. Once I got married and had kids and stuff, though, I was like coated on saying shit like that, but that's what you do, man. It's a fucking head game, it's a head game.
I'm trying to get in his head, yeah.
100. I always try to explain that to people. People are like, Conor McGregor's a fucking asshole. The things he says, I'm like, it's part of the game.
I mean, yeah, I get it, you don't want to hear those things, I get it, I get it, but that's legal.
And that works.
It works.
It's strategy.
Well, listen to the shit, Tyson would say.
Oh my god.
And that's what happened. It's funny. Before I came here, I was down in Nashville with kid Rock staying at his place. Awesome fucking place.
He's a great guy.
He's the best.
His place is amazing.
Unreal? His pool hall, it's like the dream place.
He's got a fucking church. Yeah, he's got a fucking church.
He uses the church.
How about the White House?
Dude, it's the most wild shit you've ever seen in your life, the wildest shit I've ever seen. I was like, Bob, show me around this fucking place, what the fuck?
We should explain to people what he did.
It's like 27,000 square feet. He built a White House.
It looks exactly like the White House, but it's bigger than the actual White House.
It's fucking phenomenal.
And it's just a party house, it has one bedroom and one guest bedroom, and it's 27,000 feet. Jamie, you got to go. next time we're in Nashville, you got to go.
He's got a golden shower, so it's a room.
A golden toilet, golden shower.
The room is as big as this studio, and it's all the tile on the wall is gold, everything's gold. He's like, get a golden shower.
He's got a giant gold elevator in the middle, like, right when you walk in through the front door. And the contractor said to him, he goes. A lot of people like to hide their elevators, he goes, Fuck that, I want people coming over my house, going, kid, Rock's got a fucking gold elevator.
Some of the antiques and shit. He's got in there too. He's got the hammer they used to fucking knock down Bin Laden's door. He's got that hammer. That's one of his prized fucking possessions, I think.
Oh, no shit, is he sure? That's really the hammer.
Who did he get it from? I don't know if I was going to sell somebody a hammer, I'd be like, bro, this is the one that knocked down Bin Laden's door.
I think it was a gift, so I think it was gifted to him by the guy that was there and fucking used it.
Kid Rock The thing about Kid Rock, too, is he's got so many hits that guy could tour to the end of time. So he could do something stupid, like build a White House.
Dude, that place is phenomenal, huge gym. How about that double wide?
Yeah, it's amazing.
This fucking double wide, that's like a five-star resort in there.
How about the view off of his fucking back porch, too?
NASHVILLE It's incredible, he's the highest point in Nashville too, yeah.
No, he's living the redneck dream.
I was telling him about my.
She was asking me where I was from. We were on a duck hunt together and I was telling him this. He's like, Well, where did you, who fucking raised you?
And I said, You did. Motherfucker, I was raised on Kid Rock, Stone Cold, Steve Austin, Fucking the rock. that's who raised me. Mike Tyson, those are the motherfuckers I looked up to.
I didn't have any other role model in my life that I could look up to, so I had to look up to those guys in a way. They just didn't give a fuck and I was like, that's what I'm going to do.
So when you were growing up, was your mom around?
My mom was an alcoholic and struggled with drugs, and she doesn't know who my dad is like, has no idea. You think, by now, like this motherfucker would just pop up, right, right?
But no, like, nobody fucking knows who it is, because she would go on these month-long blackouts, oh man, and just be fucking blacked out for a month.
And you know, she was abused as a child, too, you know, she was sexually abused and stuff. So she just kind of didn't break that cycle, right? Didn't break the chain. Then my stepdad was abusive.
You know, he would fucking, you know, beat the shit out of my.
You know, he would beat the shit out of me, like, for fun, like, that's what? If he was in a bad mood and I had my fucking mouth open, even looking at him, he'd fucking pop my mouth and fucking throw me on the ground, you know?
Kick me in the stomach and shit, oh man, like you fucking pussy, you know, get up, you know. That's just the way he treated me, but I got to get out of that.
I got out of that situation and broke that cycle. But like, when people are like, you're fucked up, I'm like, Well, what do you think? Yeah, what do you think is going to happen when you fucking treat a kid like that?
You know, my mother didn't really show me.
I don't know what unconditional love felt like until I had a daughter. Wow, I didn't know what that felt like, and that was like the life change....
It was so life-changing for me to have a daughter and to feel what that feels like. That unconditional, no matter what, I'll love you. Because I didn't know what that felt like, never had it.
Wow.
Wow, it was intense, man, my childhood was fucking intense, you know? Like, even, you know, being in relationships. My wife is so patient with me because, like, my idea of intimacy was, you know, I slept in the attic, you know, in this tiny little fucking house.
And we lived on all these.
I went to seven different elementary schools, we were always getting fucking booted out of the house. But when I was like, really developing, going through puberty. Like, what I heard was them fist-fighting each other, throwing each other through walls, and then fucking ten minutes later. Like, that's what my idea of intimacy was.
So, like, I had to, like, reprogram my brain.
How did you do that?
I did a bunch of treatments, like.
You ever heard of EMDR?
No.
So it's like.
You believe in past lives.
I don't not believe. I think there's a certain amount of undeniable genetic memory that people have. I think that's probably where things like ophidiophobia and arachnophobia come from, fear of snakes and spiders. Because I think that a lot of that probably comes from. There's a memory of you either watching someone die from it, or you getting bit and surviving. And it gets through the DNA and it gets to people. Today, yeah.
Because there's certain people that, for no reason, they'll see a snake and they just fucking freeze, whereas other people see a snake. And it's just like, Oh, well, stay the fuck away from that. But it doesn't have that same visceral reaction.
The same fear.
There's things that people know, like, you know, to be scared of big teeth and scary things, and that's why kids are scared of monsters, right? It's because we grew, we evolved around big cats, and things were eating us and wolves.
Yeah, saber-toothed tigers and shit.
Yeah, yeah, that's, I think.
Prehistoric Animals man.
I think those memories are in our DNA, so I have a feeling we have no idea what kind of information is stored that passes on from your genes.
Yeah.
Like, one of the things I've noticed about my kids is they have very specific talents that I have very specific and also that, like some other members of my family have. They're amazing artists. And I'm always like, how much of that is genetic? Like, where's that coming from?
Right, like, where's this ability? Like, my youngest daughter is fucking incredible, her artwork's amazing, like I watch her draw and I'm like, Jesus Christ.
She's 12.
I'm like, How are you so good? Like, there's something I think that kids get from their parents. And maybe that is what past lives are. And maybe when someone has a seance or some shit, and you know, they tell a story about a past life, maybe that's in there somewhere.
Like, deep, deep in that file system.
In that DNA code, right?
Yeah.
It's all, I mean, we could get down the rabbit hole here, but it's, you know, that DNA code.
We don't know.
You don't know what the fuck is in there.
We don't know what's in there, it's in with animals, right? Like I got a dog, he's a golden retriever, sweetest dog in the world.
But like, if that dog sees shit outside, he rolls around in it, he knows to roll around. Like, I don't know what the fuck kind of instinct that is, but that's like, in his system, yeah, it's a very specific thing.
You know, if he sees a squirrel, it's on, bitch, like, I'm here to kill squirrels, you know, like, it's on.
Squirrels and birds and shit like that, he wants to chase them.
Mostly for him, it's squirrels, he's a fucking squirrel killer, but it's in there.
Well, that's probably, I mean, that's rodents, like small rodents and shit were what wolves were eating back then.
It must be because my daughter has a chihuahua, she has this little tiny chihuahua-whippet mix. He's the shit, his name is Snoop.
He's this tiny little fella, and him and Marshall are like best friends. Like, that's a rat, like the size of a rat, like, how come you want to kill the squirrels?
But that little dude is your buddy because he knows.
Yeah, it's crazy.
It's in there. It's the same thing with big dogs and babies, right? mm-hmm. they just are soft around babies, yep.
They go slow.
Because think about that.
Like they were feeding them, they would keep them safe from the other wolves. Yes, it was the first fucking thing they learned was don't touch the fucking kids.
Yep, right, or you get fucking killed, yep, right.
Yep, so they didn't touch, they were soft and easy with the kids.
Especially animals with floppy ears. Yeah, the ones with the floppy ears, they think that wolves, their ears droop to sort of show submissiveness. Yeah, and that's how wolves, when they transitioned and became dogs.
Over time, they developed like labrador ears.
That's fucking crazy.
The evolution of dogs. It's wild, they're so close to us in a way because they're the same thing, but they look so different. You know, like you could take like a great Dane, and if you could figure out the logistics, that could fuck a little poodle.
Right?
And then it would make a dog, yeah, like, how are those the same animals, you know? And when you see—?
The lab-created dogs that they have now, man, are just wild.
But you see someone like Shaquille O'Neal, and then you see like, Tina Fey. Yeah, like they could have kids. Yeah, like the size difference, the way they look is so different, but we're a lot like domesticated animals.
In that way, I guess it makes sense, right? Because humans all came out of Africa and they traveled all over the world. They had to adapt to all these different climates, and that's what caused all those—the physical changes in people.
Have you read the book Species? Yes.
Yeah.
That fucking book changed my life.
Very, very interesting, right? When you hear the history of us—.
It's fucking wild that there were seven different species of humanoids.
Mm-hmm. They think there's more now, they think there's more, they keep finding one.
They found a new one recently, they found some DNA of a recent human species that is different than anyone that they've found before.
And how old do they think that was?
I'm not sure, I don't quite remember, but I know they're in the neighborhood of. There's some of these people that used to be humans that were around when modern humans were around.
Well, yeah.
Yeah.
We're the final product, are we? Though? No, I'm not saying—.I'm saying, I know what you're saying. We killed off all the fucking other ones, right, yeah.
You were talking last night about how you have Neanderthal in you, right?
Yeah.
And it's crazy to think that. Imagine seeing an ape and being like, Yeah, I'm going to have sex with that, you know, yeah.
Well, I think people were, it's fucking crazy. I think everybody was pretty close back then. I mean, I think when you're dealing with Neanderthal, mating with Homo sapiens,—.
Yeah, they didn't look so much different, right? It wasn't like a gorilla.
Hairy beasts, you know, hairy beasts with fucking deer skins over their dick. I mean, it is crazy that we got to where we are today.
And it's wild, the evolution of humans. Now they're turning into these fucking super nerds that are just, yeah, like, fucking genderless, yeah, genderless, fucking—.
Soy boy fucking. It's weird, out of control, man. It makes me crazy.
I think that's the future. I mean, I know it's not so good for guys like you and I, but I think the future. It seems like that's where this race is headed.
I think that's why we fight it, try to fight it so hard.
I think so, I think there's part of it with men—.
It goes against everything in our DNA to fucking be like that.
Well, you have this DNA that did evolve through war and conflict and fighting off predators. And it gets ignited during a football game, or it gets ignited during a fight. It's like, yeah.
And you feel alive. I'm glad you brought this up because I was talking about this on another podcast a couple weeks ago. And I'm just trying to get my thoughts here. And how I explained it. Sports were invented by dudes practicing to hunt.
Yeah.
They're like, how can we fucking get ready to go hunt?
Or practicing war?
Yeah, we're practicing war, we're practicing hunting. That's where sports come from, so that's why there's this deep spiritual connection between battle and sports, yeah, and hunting.
It all kind of goes together. It was a great transition for me to get into bowhunting. I bowhunted when I was a kid, too, but that was kind of like my escape. Football and bowhunting were my escape as a kid.
I just stayed in the woods, man, because if not, I was just a loose fucking cannon. You never knew what was going to happen out there.
I interrupted you earlier, you were talking about past lives. Yeah, we got off on a tangent.
So what is this therapy?
It's a light treatment the way they do it. You keep your eyes open and you do a breathing series, and then they send these lights across your eyes and it almost puts you in this trance. Wow.
And you're being guided, there's a therapist that's kind of guiding you through it. Dude. At one point, I'll be totally honest, I'm sitting there and I'm fucking just tears rolling out of my eyes and I'm like, What the fuck?
Because I was releasing this trauma, because the body keeps the score, man, so I was releasing that trauma.
So this light thing and someone's guiding you, what is it doing to your mind?
I was able to go to my young self, to the young Derek, and I was able to comfort him.
Whoa?
And it helped me grow as a person because I was stuck in that trauma.
Whoa?
Stuck there.
I had to let him know you're safe, it's all good. This shit sounds wild, but it's real, man, I really fucking did that. And then we got into it deeper. Because some of my frustration in life is not knowing who my father is and knowing my ancestors, because that's important to me.
So we dug deep, and this is before I ever did any kind of ancestry DNA shit. And we dug deep into these past lives. And it took me into this fucking Viking camp.
It's fucking wild, I'm going to get into it, people are going to be like, you're fucking nuts.
So are you under hypnotized? What does it feel like? Are you being hypnotized?
It feels like you're in a dream.
You're in a dream.
I felt like I was in a fucking dream.
Are your eyes closed?
No, your eyes are open, my eyes are open, but the light's kind of like you can't see anything but the lights. So your mind is the only thing that's really working, and you're breathing and then you can hear this woman.
And then I go into this Viking camp and I'm there and I'm with my woman, right, and I'm getting ready to go to war. She's putting me in fucking armor, whoa.
Not armor, but putting my fucking hide like this wolf hide or something on me. And then I grab my fucking axe and a shield and I go to war and I'm out there fucking murdering people on a fucking battlefield, just going ham, just fucking axing people. It was crazy.
So you felt this?
I could feel it, I could feel it, it was like I was doing it. And then when I came out of that, well, I was betrayed in this fucking dream, I was betrayed by my brother.
Whoever my brother was, they betrayed me because they didn't want me to marry this woman. Because she was like to them, she was like, they couldn't control me anymore. Whoa, so they didn't want me to marry this woman and I did, and then they fucking had me killed.
This was all in this experience.
I wake up because my head was getting chopped off.
Holy shit.
That's what woke me up.
Holy shit.
Isn't that fucking crazy?
Has that ever happened before or since?
No.
There was one time.
Yeah, I just did it well. I did like three or four sessions and that was the last session because I felt like I had found the roots of the trauma. Wow, so I fucking....
I wonder if that's in there, man.
I was like, this is fucked up. It completely makes sense. Well, I know that your mind is the most powerful tool you have, so I know that it can play tricks on you too. And I watch movies and shit.
So I was like, this shit could have just came from a movie, right? So I was like, let me do some DNA, fucking Scandinavian all the way through.
Of course, look at you, look at you, dude.
I came from Scandinavia, my bloodline goes from Scandinavia, Germany and Ireland, and then straight to fucking Appalachia.
Wow.
Wow.
Holy shit.
That's all around Viking.
I just.
You know, people will dismiss that, they'll dismiss it as imagination and dreams and stuff, but I just wonder how much you carry? Obviously, some information is transmitted.
It's transferred from your genes into your children. There's some that's, oh yeah, some of it is from them learning, being around you.
Why do you think they know how to work a fucking phone at three years old already? They know how to fucking swipe it, like, they just know?
I think that's just easy for those young, pliable minds to learn.
They know how to do shit that I don't know how to do. You don't think that that's passed down at all.
I don't know.
The technology stuff, like, why are some people good with fucking computers? And like, dude, I get a computer and I want to snap it in half.
I think some of it is probably passed down through the parents. I mean, they think, like musical talent, like oftentimes it's, but then you got to go. Well, they probably grew up in a musical household, too. But what you're talking about is something way more intense.
And it makes me wonder, I mean, when people do have those past live dreams, or I always wonder if that's bullshit. Like, there's always some little kid that can speak German that can tell you a story, or they grew up during the war, and you're like, what?
Like, you're four, like, there's a few of those, but I never know if those are real stories. Have you ever read any of those that are, like, very compelling. I've looked into this heavy one time. There's a guy, a doctor, an actual person out of college, that's been studying as many cases as he could find about this.
I can't remember his name, I can look him up, he's got the info and what does he say? I think he says it is accurate, but there's levels to it.
There's different parts people remember, you can't force the child to go through it. You kind of just have to like, let them say what they remember. As soon as you start asking things, it freaks them out, Sometimes they start crying.
But there's one I remember hearing.
There's this guy, this World War II pilot's friends that he had, he like, almost named the ship. I think they were on this guy. Like he died in a plane crash, he was shot down, he was having all these memories of it.
But they went too far with it, I think, is also what happened. He's like, I don't know what you're talking about now. Oh wow. So there's levels to it too. I always wonder, because I always wondered, like, how much is trans—?
It makes sense if these beings want to evolve and learn that you should have the lessons of the people from the past. They should be inside of you. In some sort of a way, there's some sort of knowledge that gets transferred to children, it just makes sense, right?
If that's the case, you're going to have the most traumatic memories are going to be burned in there.
Because it's—and then, like even the ones that you experience in life, you bury those in your subconscious. Yeah, right, so like, when you're—I think it's what from—?
This is the doctor, Dr. Ian Stevenson. It's still going on. Division of perceptual studies at Virginia, I think, is where most of the research has been happening. Wow.
A lot of studies have gone into it. Some people are bullshitting, obviously, for sure, but there are many cases of people that seem to be not bullshitting.
Also deathbed visions.
A lot of stuff. Various types of extrasensory perceptions, such as telepathy, apparitions and deathbed visions, after-death communications, or ADCs, poltergeists. Experiences of persons who come close to death and survive, usually called near-death experiences, out-of-body experiences, and children's memories of previous lives.
Wow, that's wild.
When you get a real scientist that's studying shit like that.
Yeah.
Because you've got to wonder, like, it's so easy to dismiss those things, so easy to dismiss it. But the human mind, and its just ability to acquire information and to be able to remember things, all that is weird enough as it is. I don't think it's that weird that those memories are transferred to children.
No, I mean, it makes sense to me.
It does.
What the fuck do I know?
Well, you have a memory that's pretty fucking intense, that completely makes sense when you look at you.
Yeah, so I just fully embraced it. Man, I got fucking Odin tattooed all over me. Oh nice, big fucking raven with the Odin sign on my chest and shit.
Full Viking full went into it, man. I just embraced it, it's given me a lot of peace. Just kind of like....
Knowing where you came from.
Knowing where I come from, right, because I didn't know anything.
Can you imagine being alive during the Viking times?
Oh, fucking savage.
Can you imagine those?
We're going to go rape and pillage. See, that's not how you think about it.
I think I'm going to get raped and pillaged, That's what I think you're thinking. Oh yeah, we're going to rape and pillage. I'm thinking that's not my role in this, my role is running in the mountains.
I see those boats pull up, I'm like, Oh, shit.
We got to go imagine how fucking scary that was.
Oh my god.
Just a fucking Viking boat pulls up.
Not just one, probably.
Oh, just fucking. Quite a few, a couple hundred of them, probably.
And they just can't wait to jump off the boat and fucking kill everybody.
Have you watched that show? Vikings? Yeah, it's a great fucking show. it's a great fucking show.
Have you seen The Northmen, the movie?
Savage.
That movie's fucking good.
It's fucking good, man.
It's not modernized in any way. That's what I loved about it. There's no 2023 person there.
It's accurate, yeah.
That's what you would imagine those people would be like, everyone's super flawed and fucked up.
Fucking crazy man.
That final sequence when they fight it out, Holy shit, holy shit.
I loved it.
It's a great fucking movie.
I love that movie.
But that time in history, what an amazing time.
There's several times where I wish I could have a time machine and just watch. I just want to be there and see. What was that really like? Yeah, and the Viking Race would be one of them, for sure.
I think about that all the time. Steve Rinello actually said something I think it was on your show, and he was talking about Daniel Boone when he first crossed the Cumberland gap. Imagine what that was like, I think about that, but then I think about, imagine discovering fucking Iceland for the first time, right?
Or imagine seeing that shit, or going to Greenland and seeing the fucking volcanoes erupting. They got lava pouring out of them and shit, that probably was fucking mind-blowing.
Wooden boats powered by the wind, just floating across the ocean.
Well, they used fucking rowers, too, they had fucking all those guys fucking rowed. Imagine how fucking strong they were. And their backs probably hurt like a motherfucker too. Oh yeah, it's fucking crazy to me.
Yeah, for miles and days.
Yeah, for days.
Just eating nothing, really.
Those motherfuckers were savage.
Yeah, people back then were just, it's so funny, the hardships that people talk about today and what life was like back then.
Imagine if they had to hear it? Imagine if you said that to one of these guys, they'd be like, you fucking pussy.
Is that a replica or a real one? I think it's a found and then fixed. Oh wow, I don't think it stayed in that shape, but I think they put it back together. Yeah, they've had a few of those where they sort of rebuilt them, and I'm like, that's new wood, though.
Look at that thing, imagine that thing just covered with savages, swinging axes.
And they're just fucking blood, they got blood on their faces and shit.
And that was a normal part of human history. I mean, that was an era. how long did the Vikings last for? like, how long was that era? They were traveling around? Fucking everybody up.
I mean, it kind of like it faded off into. When they got to England. They started like, Well, what it was is Christianity, Christianity? Like, kind of sedated everybody, yeah.
793 to 1066 C.E. the period during the Middle Ages, when the Norsemen, known as the Vikings, undertook large-scale raidings colonizing conquest.
Wow.
And trading.
And trading. They had a good run.
Just go steal everybody's shit.
Just fuck everybody up, how was everybody so big? That's what's crazy like when you see those guys from Iceland, all those world powerlifting champion guys, and like the mountain, yeah.
How's everybody so big over there?
I think it's like an ancient DNA, yeah, it has to be. That's almost gotten lost. It's there, man.
It's fucking, they say, giants. I believe that there was giants walking the Earth at one point. There's probably fucking 8-foot tall, 9-foot tall, motherfuckers, they say. They were like, 20, 30 feet tall. Is that real?
Did they find a femur bone?
It says the average Viking was 8 to 10 centimeters, 3 to 4 inches shorter than we are today. The skeletons that archaeologists have found revealed that a man around 172 centimeters tall 5'6 and a woman had an average height of 5'1. Yeah, but that's just the people that they killed.
Yeah, those are the ones that died.
Those are the skeletons they found.
Everybody else died in a fire on a boat if you were a fucking, if you were like, if you had to die. Those are the ones that just didn't die with their sword in their hand.
They just found them stomped to death.
Fucking ran through.
That's such a when they talk about the average, it's funny. So they killed a bunch of 5'6 dudes. It's like, tall that is like.
The amount of 5'6 dudes that got stomped to death is pretty high, we think they were all pretty short.
This obviously that can't be true, because the stories of them all being these giant savages. And then you have the guys in Iceland, you got guys like you, obviously they were giant, yeah.
It seems obvious that the ones who were like at the front of the boats, the guys who were raiding, they were giant people, yeah.
And I think, I think that, I think that, like, the water was so much different back then.
Glacier milk.
Glacier water. Yeah, they were eating fucking musk ox and fucking Irish elk. remember the Irish elk? They were eating shit like that.
Yeah, so like they were eating just, they were just like meat, leaves and berries, high protein. Fucking tons, yeah.
And mushrooms.
And mushrooms they were, and they did they used to do, like ayahuasca. There's Vikings that are like, really into that.
Well, I know they were into mushrooms, right? Yeah, they would take mushrooms before they would go on. That was in the show, too, yeah.
The show was great because there was no real good guys. Like the people that they were storming the castle and killing them, they were cunts, too. Yeah, so it's like you didn't really mind that they were getting murdered.
Well, everybody was fucked up back then, right? like everybody was fucking evil. Yeah, you had fucking kings that just owned all the land and would be like, Nope, you can't eat anything off this land.
Yeah, you're going to starve.
That's the real Robin Hood story. Yeah, what Robin Hood was really about was hunting. Yep, yeah.
Yeah, that's, I mean, that's not that long ago, that's not that long ago, it's not.
It's just a little blip.
A tiny little blip.
Just a fucking blip.
Do you ever pay attention to guys like Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson and these guys that think that there was a huge reset of civilization?
I've heard about the reset, but talk more about that because that's interesting.
They think that there was natural disasters, probably comet impacts, around 11,800 years ago. Okay, reset civilization, it probably knocked us back into the Stone Age.
Yeah.
And that it makes sense if you think about the like when you're talking. Like, a thousand years ago with the Vikings, and 2000 years ago with the Romans. And just how savage and barbaric people were. But yet thousands of years before that, they built the pyramids. Like, how'd they do that? Well, if something happened that, like, wiped everyone out back down to, like, just pure savage people, to just scratch and claw and to stay alive? And then they rebuilt civilization. Well, you would have the echoes of that barbarism just running through cultures.
And that's what we have.
Yeah.
And that's really when you see the Vikings, when you think about the Mongols. You think about the horrific shit that people did to each other. Just a couple thousand years ago and then a few thousand years before that. You have this immensely sophisticated civilization in Africa that's building giant stone structures and perfect geometry. Like, what happened, what the fuck happened?
It has to be, it has to be, makes sense? I totally believe in that. What's the documentary called?
Well, Graham Hancock's is called natural catastrophes.
Yeah.
Ancient Apocalypse Ancient Apocalypse.
Ancient Apocalypse.
Ancient Apocalypse.
He said Natural catastrophes.
Natural Catastrophes, Ancient apocalypse, and Graham's is, I believe it's seven pieces, seven. How many parts is it?
Hold on, it's at least four, but it's all different.
I watched it, it's amazing, it's fucking great.
It's amazing and this is what he's pointing out. And archaeologists are very hesitant to get on board with it. Because they've been lecturing this different narrative for so long, and they've been writing books. And they don't want to say they were wrong, but it looks like they were wrong. It looks like the idea of the start of civilization being around 6,000 years ago is a restart of civilization.
It has to be, yeah. It makes sense, because when they're finding these structures like Gobekli, Tepe and Turkey, and a lot of the ones they believe in Egypt.
Have you been to Egypt?
No, I haven't been there yet. I heard it's insane.
I climbed to the center of the Great Pyramid. Yeah, fucking wild energy in there.
I can't imagine.
Fucking, vibrating.
Really, it's fucking weird, like you feel it, yeah, or is it just like you're freaking out because you're there?
Really, it's like this weird energy in there, it doesn't feel like it doesn't put off, like a bad vibrancy. It just feels like electric in there. It's like, what is this? a fucking power station?
What is it?
I don't know, it's a, they say, it's a tomb.
Yeah, but that's not real.
That can't be real.
I don't think that's real, because.
Why would they spend? they wouldn't spend that much fucking time and manpower?
I mean, maybe they would if the king was that much of a baller, but I just don't think that it makes sense. First of all, I don't believe they've ever found like a dead pharaoh inside of one of those things. No, I don't think there's any real indication that it's a tomb.
And they're like, Oh, it got robbed, it was robbed.
They definitely were, I mean, they robbed the shit out of us.
But why would you take a body?
They definitely did. I looked into that recently, I remember, yeah, they ate them.
They used to eat them, yeah, up until, like, a hundred years ago, they ate them, yeah. People would have a ceremony like rich people's houses, and they would unwrap mummies in front.
Of them.
Sounds like an Illuminati thing it does.
In 1909, they would give people ground skull for headaches and shit like that ground up skull, ground up. Mummy was called mum, Mummia, right mummia.
What the fuck?
Yeah, that's fucking weird.
Bro, there's one place that I could go see, what the fuck was it like? It would be ancient Egypt. That would be the number one spot. I'd be like, I gotta see.
I gotta see what were you guys doing, like, how'd you do this?
Show me how you move a rock. Yeah, well, I think there was water flowing through that area.
Well, there definitely was the Nile River's there.
Well, the Nile, yeah, but I'm talking about right next to the pyramid. Like, why do you think that? Because there's no fucking way, if you've ever, there's no way they moved that shit through sand.
Yeah, they're like, Oh, they rolled them on logs. motherfucker, that's sand. those logs are just gonna sink into the sand.
Well, it wasn't necessarily sand back then. See, this is the crazy thing about that area is that where there's, like the Sahara desert, used to be vast green lands. Yeah, it used to be like a jungle, and it receded and became this what we see now. All the sand and Egypt. In the early days, like 9,000 B.C. I believe that it they had, it was a rainforest.
Yeah, so like that same area where now it's just sand and dry, it was like torrential downpours all the time. That's one of the ways-.
It's kind of like Pangaea, right? When we had just one continent, it was just a tropical, a giant island.
That was a long-ass time ago. Yeah, this is not that long ago, but this when they're talking about the dates of the pyramids. One of the first pieces of evidence that they discovered was There's a guy named Dr. Robert Shock out of Boston University.
He's a geologist and he was examining the Temple of the Sphinx. And he was like, this is water erosion. It's like there's thousands of years of rainfall that's caused this erosion. And all the other archaeologists were like, there's no way this is impossible.
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