#2067 - Dave Smith
2023-11-23 02:50:35
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Hello Dave Smith.
Hello Joe Rogan.
Good to see you my friend.
You, too, always good to be here.
You have an air of seriousness about you, like you prepared yourself for this conversation. We've been fucking around all night last night, having a good time.
Now I have to transition.
There was an immediate shift. I could see you, like, alright, there it is.
Well, we've got a brand new war to end.
When I first started coming on your podcast, I just measured how many wars ago that was, what was that? how many wars ago was that?
We were still in Afghanistan back then, so we did get out of one.
We did get out of one sort of, we did it in flawless fashion.
But yeah, no, that is true. We did end one and then I think we took like a two week break before we got into Ukraine.
And now this one is pretty serious and there's a big possibility of, like, a wider war being started. So pretty bad, not great.
No, not great. It scares the shit out of me. I've brought it up many times, but when I really get anxiety, it's like, late at night, when I'm alone, I think about the world like that. At any moment, it could just go haywire.
Like, think about October 7th, right? It happens out of nowhere.
One day, everything changes, right? That could happen anywhere, that could happen right here, and people thinking that it can't. And then people that are just not even inquisitive about anything that interferes with their narrative, not even thinking, Okay, what is the big picture here?
What is actually going on? I know this side says one thing and the other side says another thing, so someone's got to be wrong. So what is happening? Either Israel is evil or Hamas is totally evil.
It can't be, there's a lot going on, right? For sure, there's a lot going on. But this binary thinking that everybody has in our culture today, where people we automatically subscribe to whatever one side thinks.
If you're on the right, you automatically subscribe to whatever the right-wing people think. If you're on the left, you automatically subscribe to whatever the left-wing people think.
Different sides are supporting different wars, which is very strange, right?
Yeah, it's bizarre, it's binary thinking that people just fall into, but war is the worst of it, war makes people so stupid. I mean, it's like the way they talk about these things, like you said, it's like the side of pure good versus the side of pure bad.
It's like a seven-year-old boy playing with action figures like this is good guy, this is bad guy. And reality is almost never anything like that. It's always enormously more complex than that. And I think that's the truth. With the history of Israel and Palestine is that it's not. And I'm Jewish, so I grew up very much just only hearing the Israeli side of the story.
And it's basically, you can still get this in a Ben Shapiro video that millions of people watch, but it really will. Their story is just kind of like, the Jews came here and we just said, Hey, we want to be independent, and then in response to that, all the Arab nations attacked us. And then we just keep offering you peace, and they just keep saying no. And they just want we just want to live in peace, and they just want to kill Jews.
And that's the story, and there's nothing else that you need to know that's relevant here. But that's just so not true. There's so much more to it than that. And if you're going to tell this story and you want to zoom out and really understand what's going on here.
It's just if you're going to ignore the fact that the creation of Israel involved kicking a whole lot of people out of where they were living at the time, and had been living for hundreds of years, 750,000 Palestinian Arabs were kicked out of their land, many of them were forced out, many of them fled and then were never allowed to come back.
And then, and this was in 1947.
Well, it started in 1947.
So let me just say, by the way, and I'll just do this quickly, but I just like a disclaimer, which I never did. When we were talking about all the Ukraine stuff. Because the last few times I've been on the podcast, we talked about the war in Ukraine a lot. And I totally opposed America and American involvement, and I put a lot of blame on America and NATO for kind of provoking the war and continuing the war.
And all types of people who disagree with me, they say, like, you're a Putin supporter or you're spewing Russian propaganda. But I never felt the need to kind of be like, No, by the way, I'm not a Putin agent or something, because it's just so stupid. There's like, no Americans are sworn loyal to Vladimir Putin, there's zero people like that.
But there are actually people who hate Jews, and so, just to be clear, that's not my perspective at all.
Actually no.
I love Jewish people, I actually like, I love Israelis, I think there's lots of cool things about their society and what I'm saying. If I say, like, hey, the way you got your land was really fucked up and you kill a lot of innocent people. That's nothing I wouldn't say about my own government as well, and I love America.
So just as the first disclaimer there.
I know a guy who actually did move to Russia.
All right, fine. So there's one.
Jeff Monson He was an MMA fighter.
Oh yeah, he fought Tim Sylvia, right?
He fought a bunch of people, he fought Chuck Liddell, he fought Fedor, and he moved to Russia, really.
Speaks Russian? Yeah.
Okay, all right. So I overstated my case a little bit. There's Jeff Monson, nobody else, though.
He's got a hammer and sickle tattoo.
Okay, all right. So there might be an exception.
He's a wild fellow.
No, but so you said, so, yeah, so in 1947, and this is like, right in the aftermath of World War II, and the British Empire was basically crumbling. And they had been ruling the territory of Palestine under a mandate, and so they basically washed their hands of the situation. There had been issues for years already.
And they kicked it over to the United Nations, and the United Nations was a brand new organization. Like a year old or something like that. And they had no authority to, like, create states out of nowhere, they just it was a recommendation, they go. We recommend this partition plan. That would have given 56 of the land to the Jews for a Jewish state, and 44 of the land to the Arabs to have an Arab state.
And at the time, the Jews, the Zionist settlers there, they owned about 10 of the land, and so this recommendation was that they get 56 of the land. And so immediately the Zionist settlers accepted. They went, Yes, great deal, we'll take 56 of this.
And the Arabs were like, No, that's not a fair deal at all. And then, pretty immediately after that, there's a great book by Sheldon Richmond called Coming to Palestine, if you're interested in the topic and you want to see it. But immediately after that, a bunch of essentially like Zionist militias started kicking Arabs off of the land. Like, Hey, the U.N. said this part's ours, and like, first, a civil war broke out.
And in this process, hundreds of thousands. I mean, between 1947 and 1948, the total number is around 750,000. Arabs who were forced out or fled. And then, in 1948, Israel declared independence, and then, as a response to that, outside Arab nations invaded got involved in the fight. Israel won, and then, after Israel won the war, they seized about 80 of the land.
So they were offered 54 or recommended 54. They won a war and then they just took 80 of it, and then in 1967, so this is in 1948. But at that point, at the end of the war. The portion that is the Palestinian territories today, that was the West Bank and East Jerusalem that was controlled by Jordan, and Gaza was controlled by Egypt.
And then, in 1967, Israel launched a preemptive war. And they won again. And then they just took 100 of it, and then they just took control of the West Bank. All of Jerusalem and Gaza. And they've had it ever since, they won a war in 1967, and they've occupied these territories ever since.
And the Palestinians in these areas have, they just have no rights, they have no natural rights, they're just nothing like they are the government of Israel. They, for most of the time, they were literally occupying it with the IDF.
Not worse than martial law, because it's like a foreign military, like foreign occupation.
And they've always maintained control of everything that goes in and out, what supplies, how much food, how much water, how much electricity, all of these things. And look, it's just if you're going to talk about this situation, as so many people do. Like so many people in Ben Shapiro's camp, they talk about this conflict, talk about October 7th and just leave all of that out. And if you do that, you're just not really having a conversation about what's going on here. You know what I mean, like? You can never really like grapple with the situation if you don't at least acknowledge that this is what's going on.
And then they just get sucked into, like the dumb George W. Bush. You know, they hate us for our freedom, and you know all that, and you're either with us or you're with the terrorists. It's the same mentality of that.
You're either against Hamas or you're, you know, for Hamas or something like that, which is pretty stupid.
Isn't it fascinating that on two occasions, 9-11 and in October 7th? There's an initial response from the world, like anger, outrage, horrific scenes. And then because of the attack and the response to the attack, then most young people now. Like when I was in New York City two weeks ago for the UFC and there was the Free Palestine March. It's wild, dude, I mean, the fucking streets were filled with people. It looked very organized. And they attacked the UFC bus and they slashed the tires of the bus while Robbie Lawler and Jamal Hill were on that bus.
Really, yeah.
Yeah, apparently there was a thing where they were blocking traffic and the bus tried to get through before they got there, and they got angry at the bus. And so they attacked the bus and smashed windows and slashed tires.
Jeez, yeah.
Yeah, they're so lucky that Jamal Hill and Robbie Lawler didn't get off that bus and just start putting people into orbit.
Dude, I don't know how many protesters it would take to beat up those two guys.
You have zero chance, Jamal.
It's a lot.
Dude, Jamal can crack. That's a big fella, too. Yeah, he's a big fella and he can crack. People are running from him.
He's going to crack one or two people and everyone's going to run, yeah.
Yes, probably 100. My money is on the professional fighters.
And then someone's going to recognize Robbie Lawler, yeah, someone's going to recognize him, yeah, and they're going to realize, Oh my god, these are UFC fighters.
There's two of them, oh my God, and then you're going to realize who else is on the bus. Let's get the fuck out of here, yeah.
Well, look, it's probably for the best for those protesters that it didn't go down that way, but yeah, it's been pretty. Look, the protests and it's global, I mean, they've been all over the world, they're huge, they're in huge numbers.
Now, let me ask you this how do they get organized?
You know, I don't know, I really don't know the answer to that. And it does seem they're in large enough numbers that it seems hard to believe they're 100 organic. You know, like, there's something there. I'm sure people do feel passionately about this subject.
But it is, you know, it's pretty. I don't know. I haven't seen any good reporting on, like tracing, like the money, or like where it's coming from, but I'd be interested to see that. But I do think that there is like, look, October 7th was a huge, you know, horrifically awful terrorist attack, but it was a big one.
Like, Hamas has never pulled anything like this off before, this has never been pulled off. I don't think in the history of Israel, something on this scale, and the response to it is also something that is like, Israel's never done before. And so the thing is just so kind of horrible and right in everybody's face that I do think, at least to some degree, there's an organic, you know, reaction to it.
And Elon had a very good point, he said. How many with these people die, how many more future members of Hamas are they creating? Yeah, because of these attacks.
There's a great clip of Pat Buchanan and it's it was like around 15 years ago or something like that. It was like debating on MSNBC with some other guy, like a pro-Israeli guy. And he made that point where he was like, because something had just happened. Like, Israel just did a raid or a bombing campaign and some innocent, you know, Palestinians died. And he was just saying, he was like, Who are the like? a little girl died or something like that?
And he was like, who are the brothers and the nephews and the cousins of that girl going to grow up to be? And you know, like, if you look at the timing of it, they're probably right around the age of the Hamas fighters there. And you know, that's not, of course, to justify terrorism at all, because it's never justified to go kill, target innocent civilians. But you do have to understand. We're kind of trapped in this cycle where when some of our people die, we want to go kill some of their people. And then we kill some of their people. So they want to come kill some of our people. And back and forth, and back and forth.
And that's the awful thing about all of these wars on terrorism is that they always just become and you can see it. Look, this is what this was the whole point of it, too, right? It's like, this is now the best propaganda and recruiting tool that Hamas has ever had. Because now they get, look, they. Terrorism is almost always about trying to provoke a reaction.
Like, this is why Osama bin Laden did 9-11 is that he knew he couldn't like, militarily defeat the United States of America. But he thought he could pull the same trick on us that we taught him to play on the Russians and get us to invade Afghanistan and bankrupt ourselves. And so what do you think? Hamas look? Hamas pulled off a fairly sophisticated attack.
I mean, they came by like land, sea and air. They took out the Israeli surveillance, which is supposed to be the big, the greatest surveillance system in the world, and they pulled this off. Does anyone think that they didn't expect an Israeli response from this? It's like, No, of course.
They knew exactly what Israel would do. This is what they were trying to provoke them to do, because Hamas doesn't care about innocent Palestinians dying. But what they wanted was to turn the world against Israel, and particularly turn the Muslim world. I mean, not that it takes much to turn them against it, but to really put pressure on some of these other governments who had signed on to the Abraham accords. Which basically was using U.s tax dollars to buy off these other Arab countries to sell out the Palestinians, so basically, for years, these other Arab countries wouldn't recognize Israel wouldn't normalize relations with Israel. Because they were sitting there saying like, Hey, this is totally unfair, like you kicked all of these people out and you don't really have a right to this land. And they need to be treated with whatever given independence or something like that.
And so we won't normalize relations with you. And then basically Trump's plan and Israel's plan was like, Well, how about we just bribe you to normalize relations with Israel? Even though we're not giving the Palestinians their freedom? And he got a bunch of them to sign on to it. And so for the Palestinians, this was like, I mean, you could almost imagine the hopelessness, because now this was kind of your only hope, that someone else was going to catch your back. And now everybody's basically agreed, like, Yeah, look, you're never getting your state, you're never getting your independence.
We're never going back to 67 borders. You're just this is life, forever.
Like an open air prison.
Yeah, I mean, you know, people like, get upset about that characterization and it's not perfect.
It's not perfect, but it's containment.
Yeah.
It's some kind of containment, yeah.
Well, I mean, look, it's imagine, you know, all you got to do with all of these things. This is why I was like, Ron Paul is the greatest American hero in my opinion, cause like this was his whole central point on foreign policy. Was always like, you just have to try, just try a little bit to put yourself in their shoes.
And how would you feel if you were, like, occupied by a foreign government, which essentially isn't really a foreign government? It's really your government? Because they're the ones who run, who really run the place. And how would you feel about that? You know, in the in the West Bank, where they're still under a military occupation? You know, these guys, the IDF run in and scream curfew and you got to run inside your house when they do that. I just like that, even just that level of like, being controlled by a group of people who are not your people, you know?
Isn't the most crazy thing that people, that human beings, still behave in these patterns where we have groups of people that don't know at all? They have no personal interaction whatsoever with other groups of people, and they're willing to murder them. Yeah, like this, it's a it's sort of like a default mechanism of the default part of the human system. Human beings. When they have control of massive amounts of property and and and resources, they they default into that mode.
And that's just what's really insane about all this is that. I would have thought by now we'd have figured that out and moved past some of the most ridiculous ideas, but we haven't. It's still battles over religion, battles over territory, like holy shit, that could be the end of us, over the dumbest battles.
And you just, Yeah, it seems like you would think that just with what we have, you know, like the level of civilization that we have, the level of technology and medical innovation. Like all these things that you'd be like, you would almost think, if you didn't already know what the truth was, you'd be like, well, war, we don't do war anymore. That's what big mass murder campaigns with giant machines of death we don't do that. That's like a thing we did 3000 years ago, we've moved past that.
We have other ways of, like, resolving these disputes, but, uh, but they still do it, but we still do it.
Do you think that Israel believes they can dismantle Hamas and install a government that they can reasonably discuss things with? But even if there was a reasonable discretion, like, what would that entail?
Well, okay, but here's this is what I'll say, right? I think that totally could happen. I mean it, it's a little, it's tricky, but the history of it is this'll kind of blow your mind. And by the way, um, for this is is going to sound like a, um, a conspiracy theory if you haven't heard this before, but this is totally 100 true.
And it's been run in the the day after, Uh, on on October 8th. There was a big piece in the in the Times of Israel about this, there was a front page of Heretz. These are big newspapers in Israel, and if you want to, you can go to a Antiwar.com. Uh, my boy. Scott Horton and Connor Friedman just wrote this great piece, um, about this, and they've got all the quotes in it.
So you can just go read it for yourself. And this is, in their own words, that that this is admitted that it was Benjamin Netanyahu's strategy for years to prop up Hamas. Specifically because then there would be no negotiating a state for the Palestinians. Because no one in the international community is going to look at Hamas, this terrorist organization, and say, yeah, we recognize them. So the plan was to undermine the more secular, uh, Palestinian authority types so that they wouldn't be in control. Hamas would be in control, and then no one would ever negotiate their state. So, just to be clear, here this is, and by the way, I mean the. You can find direct quotes from Benjamin Netanyahu saying this in his own words, saying that you must support Hamas.
We must continue funding and supporting Hamas so that they can never get a state specifically for that intended reason. So basically, what? What Benjamin Netanyahu did was for years prop up this terrorist organization and then fail to defend his people from them. Uh, on October 7th, um, and it's just, you know, I like, again, it's. It's mind boggling to me that this element gets left out of the conversation in America, but by the way, it's not left out of the conversation in Israel. Like their newspapers are all talking about this, how this plan blew up in his face. Um, but it's really, you know, this is what happened here.
It's not that there's this desire at the highest level of the Israeli government, because this is what they always say. We have no partner for peace, we have no one who's willing to negotiate with us. But it's just not true. And every time they have had somebody who, who, who steps up and and look. Just to be clear here. When I was talking about 1947 1948, how Israel, like the state of Israel, was created, then in 1967, what they when they took control of everything. What everybody always says, I shouldn't say, what everybody always says. There's people who say crazy stuff. But what Arafat said once he rejected terrorism, even what Hamas said when they first, uh, uh, you know, gained some power in in Gaza was 67 borders.
They want to go back to the 67 borders. So they're not saying we want a hundred percent of this back. At least at those points in time, they were just saying, give us our 22 back, you know what I mean? And let us be an autonomous, independent nation.
So what, what would have to happen for that? Um, well, first of all, that's that seems like there's no way Israel is going to accept something like that.
It seems, it seems that as long as the Likud Party is in, I don't think so. I mean, I think what you really need is like the Likud party and Hamas have got to go. And like, a new generation, uh, you know of. Leadership has to come into power somehow, and there has to be like a desire to actually end this thing.
Is there any support in Israel for this idea that they should give them more land and that they should give land back?
Oh yeah, no, I mean, there has been for years, there's always been kind of like the liberal wing of of, uh? Israeli citizens who are totally, who are totally against building the settlements in the Palestinian territory, who are opposed the occupation, who are for return to 67 borders. I mean, look, Yitzhak Rabin, uh, if you remember, he was the prime minister in the nineties, and he was kind of he. He was at least saying, I don't know if the I don't think this was like, completely true, but he was at least saying, like, that's what he wanted. That he wanted to make a deal to give the Palestinians a state, and there were. This was at the beginning of the Oslo Accords. And if you, you remember when Arafat and Yitzhak Rabin came over and shook hands with Bill Clinton and stuff, and they. And there was at least talk of like, we're going to do this.
And he, he had support from his people. Now, a right-wing Israeli murdered him for that because they thought he was being too soft. And, you know, negotiating. So there's a like, there's a split, for sure, but it's not as if there isn't any desire for this. Now. I'm sure if you do polling, you know, on October 8th in Israel, I'm sure they were very pissed off, and you know what I mean.
Like, that isn't the dominant, the dominant belief. And if you do polling in Gaza right now, I'm sure they're very pissed off at Israel. You know what I mean? Because there's the the rally around the flag effect when there's terrorism or when there's war.
But there have been, there have been people on on both sides of this who have had a desire for peace for a long time. And that's just like, you know, by the way, if you're, if you're interested in this stuff, you want to do like a deep dive on the whole history. Daryl Cooper He who do you know what did I ask you last night?
Yes, you did. We talked about it last night, but tell everybody who it is.
So he's Daryl Cooper, his Twitter handle is martyrmade, and he is. He co-hosts the podcast with Jaco, It's one of his podcasts that they do together, but he did on his on so on Daryl Cooper's solo podcast. He did this deep dive into the history of of Israel and Palestine. It's, I mean, it's, it's a time commitment, for sure.
It's like 25 hours or something like that long, really. it's six parts and they're all several hours long. It's good, but it is so good. Like, if you, I could not recommend it highly enough.
It is so good. He knows, he knows the history so well that it's filled with all types of like these like little nuggets of information. I thought I knew this stuff pretty well, but I got all types of nuggets of information from him from over the years. And he's totally, you can just tell right away, he's totally not that guy. He's not the guy on Twitter who, like, thinks there's a Jewish conspiracy.
He has nothing but contempt for that kind of like stuff, he's not taking, he's not presenting it in a political way, he's just being a historian. The only thing that he kind of adds in of his own opinion is he kind of just insists throughout the whole thing. That you put yourself in this group's shoes and now put yourself in this group's shoes, right?
And so you can understand why they feel this way, and you can understand why they feel this way. But it's just a telling of the history of the story. So anyway, the series is called Fear and Loathing in the New Jerusalem. And then he did a follow-up podcast. So that's basically the history, from early Zionism in the late 1800s up to, I think that gets you up to, like, the 1940s.
Before I forget, I'm going to order that up on my thing right now.
Yeah, dude, it's so good.
Fear and loathing in the New Jerusalem.
Yeah, double check me, that trailer he made. Oh, yeah, okay, yeah.
You want me to play that, Joe? Sure, okay.
It doesn't seem like it explains anything I thought it might, it's just visuals.
Oh yeah, I guess you're not really going to get it.
I thought it was going to be explaining something. It's just visuals. Okay, I just subscribed to the martyr made podcast.
Yeah, you're going to love it, dude. It's so good and he's on point with all of it. It's just like a really detailed, accurate history of it. And then, of course, as I always say, I mean, if you want to understand any of this stuff. My guy Scott Horton at Antiwar.com is, like, I think, the best voice in America when it comes to war.
And he's just brilliant and he does a lot to make me look good. Because he's like this ultimate genius researcher. And he has, like all the details from every little, you know, he has, like, every little quote of like, hanging them by their own words, like, he's done all the research of, like, look, you know, you read his books and you're like, here it is, in their own words.
Here it is, in their own words. And so that's. He's an incredible resource for understanding this stuff.
Before I forget this, I wanted to bring this up earlier, you were telling me last night, you were explaining to me when Netanyahu was being protested.
Yeah, so this was going on literally right up to October 7th. And I'm not like, I'm not suggesting any conspiracy or anything like that. But basically, Netanyahu was making. He was trying to make some pretty unprecedented moves with, like, drastically changing the Supreme Court's level of power within the Israeli government. You know, I'm not the expert in this.
I don't know exactly what the moves he was, but it was really stripping. There were, like these proposals to strip the Supreme Court of their power and drastically alter yes, and there were protests in the hundreds of thousands.
So it says hundreds of thousands march in Israel against Netanyahu's judicial overhaul. Yeah, and so you see this giant group of people waving Israeli flags walking down the highway.
Now, from what they were saying, because I listened to, like, what a lot of these people leading the protests were saying. They were saying that. This was, in effect, going to be the end of democracy in Israel. Now, I don't know if that's a little bit hyperbolic or not, but they certainly felt that way. And he was under enormous political pressure, and, in a kind of tragic sense, he was somewhat rescued politically by October 7th.
So this is so, whatever this overhaul was it, actually? It says. Netanyahu postponed the final vote of the legislation that he had been slated for Monday in a national address lasting around seven minutes. He said he would hold discussions and bring the legislation up for a vote sometime after lawmakers return from a recess at the end of April. So he knew it was horrifically unpopular with people, obviously.
Yes, and then this was –.
Three months of protests, yeah.
Oh yeah, yeah, no, this was a big deal and in huge, huge numbers. And so he now Netanyahu, in response to this, for his own political survival, has allied now with people who are even to the right of the Likud party. Because they were basically the only ones who supported this. And so it's, in effect, made him even more of a right-winger.
Well, isn't that just always what happens?
Goddamn.
Yeah.
That's just what always people are, they're always trying to get more control over the people they're always.
That's yep, that's the nature of governments.
It seems like you came, like, to the brink of signing that.
Oh, there's no question. I think he wanted to sign it. I think it's just that there was so much enormous pressure that he backed out of it. But then again, there's like the White Pill, which is like the case for optimism, right?
Is that –?
Protests work.
Well, and not just protests, but just, I mean, protests can work at times. But also just if the percentage of the population is so against something, then many times it doesn't get done. Like, the thing that I think gives me the most cause for optimism and hope is that. There's a reason why governments use propaganda on their own people, there's a reason why they propagandize us. And it's because at least they believe, and I think they're correct in this, that they can't do what they want to do. Unless we at least tacitly support it or will accept it. And you've seen this several times before, I've talked about it before on the show with you. Where there are these instances where they try to push something and it's just there's so much resistance to it. That they're just like, they kind of dip their toe in the water to see if maybe they float an idea. And then everybody's just like, No, we're not doing this.
And then they go, Okay, we're not going to do that now. And at the same time, while we have that dynamic, there's we. Now. We're in a revolution in terms of the way people get ideas and stuff like that. I mean, you're a pretty gigantic part of that. But there is no longer this kind of monopoly control on the means of information that the American people or people of the world can receive now. And so we kind of, like, I do, think we have a tremendous opportunity.
I mean, you can look around at everything that's like, going on, that's really bad, and I know I focus on that a lot. But we have, like, a tremendous opportunity now, unlike ever before, to kind of counter the propaganda of governments. And so I actually think there's a lot of hope for humanity and then AI will kill us all in a few years.
What was this –?
The government is trying to, in some way, control things on social media. And what was the latest with the Biden administration? Because I know they've instituted some shit in Canada that freaks people out.
And they're clearly trying to get regulatory power over internet content.
Yeah, well, they're –.
Because it's against their narrative too often.
Yeah, well, they're, and they're pretty furious with your boy Elon. For for Biden. X Yeah, he did. He really committed a crime against the establishment by saying that. Not every single social media platform now will be on board with the program. Yeah, so, but you see the way they're kind of coming after him.
Well, he kind of put his foot in his own mouth with that one, with what with the Twitter thing exchange that he got in trouble for.
What –?
The one that saying that he's anti-semitic.
Oh, oh oh, what was that specific one?
Jamie will find it.
Oh, oh, it was one. He, like, responded to an anti-semitic thing or something like that. Is that what it was?
And said, You are saying the actual truth or something along those lines.
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, I vaguely remember this, yeah.
It's like, if you're shooting from the hip like that and saying things that are, that's a that's. If you have, like, an explanation for what you're saying, are you saying the what are you saying? The ADL? Like, what is it, what is the thing that you're you have a beef with?
Yeah, Elon boosts anti-semitic tweet claims ADL and other groups push anti-white messaging. See, I don't, because I think the tweet said something about. I don't think it specifically mentioned the ADL. So if it did specifically mention the ADL, then I would say, Oh, he's talking about the ADL doing this thing. But I don't think that was exactly how the tweet was phrased.
Jewish communities have been pushing the exact kind of dialectic hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them.
See, it's Jewish communities, he's not saying the ADL.
Right, right, yeah, that wasn't. That probably wasn't a good response.
And then so, Elon says, you have said the actual truth. So if he said the ADL has been pushing these things, then you could say yes, but he's saying, Jewish communities is the ADL, Jewish community? Yes, it is.
But you just can't lump them all into one group like that.
So, like, you could argue a case of on a technicality like they are a Jewish community. But still, when you just say it that way, that's such a blanket statement. The most reasonable interpretation of that is not going to be that you're referring to the ADL. So, yeah, I agree with you. He did put his foot in his mouth on that one.
But also, to be clear, that's not really what their beef with him is. They saw this and then they go, Oh good, we'll use this one to get him. But they've had a beef with Elon Musk when Elon Musk was doing nothing. But just simply saying, I'm considering buying Twitter to make it a free speech platform. Which was what he initially said they were furious at him for that. So like, Yes, it's true, that probably was. That was a bad tweet.
And he was not clear with what I don't think he meant to say, what it sounded like he was saying there. I mean, I don't know, but they. The point really is that they were furious at him already, just for the gall of saying, you were going to come. Make this a free speech platform. When, as we know from the Twitter files, right, that this wasn't. It wasn't simply that Jack Dorsey was deciding he didn't want to hear anything that was skeptical about the Covid vax or lockdowns on his platform. But it was literally that the FBI, our federal government, political campaigns, three-letter agencies were telling Twitter, colluding with them and making sure that again, like I was saying before that. Their government propaganda that they felt was necessary in order to institute these tyrannical policies of the Covid regime. That that was not allowed to be dissented against on there.
And that's what his look, his real crime against them, was. Buying Twitter, saying he's not going to, he's going to make it a free speech platform and releasing the Twitter files. That's really what got the establishment turned on Elon Musk, who, as you probably remember, was once a darling of these people.
Right, most certainly. But even if those things didn't take place and he was the CEO of Twitter and he quoted that tweet, it would still be –.
The ADL would probably still write a piece about him, yes.
It would still be the equal problem. Yeah, okay, that's fair, that's just one of those things. If you have a specific, here's the other thing. I don't know how the fuck he even does what he does.
How is he tweeting while he's making rockets? how is he tweeting while he's running Tesla? So the amount of attention that he must be putting into each tweet has to be minimal. It's not like he's going over a very complex, nuanced subject and sitting there before he makes his tweet, he's got fucking people.
Elon, What do we do with this? Do you want the tip of the rocket, pointy like spaceballs and the fucking Cybertrucks? Do you want it at 1,100 horsepower or 1,500??
I mean, I'm not nearly as busy as Elon Musk, and I don't think I have one like that. But I've definitely replied to tweets before and then realized I misread the tweet, right? I was like, Oh, I misread that, and what I said I didn't actually mean. I wasn't agreeing with you. Oh, no, I disagree with you.
It's not unforgivable, it's not like he tweeted something like that. He replied to somebody else, saying, Yeah, that's right, but I agree with you, it was not good.
That will get you heat when you're that big and famous of a person, no matter what.
Especially with what's going on.
Yeah.
So then he scores points on the other side. By agreeing that that phrase from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free, that that is implying genocide, he's saying.
Yeah, I mean, look, there's definitely people who say it, who mean that by it.
Have you seen people that get interviewed when they're chanting, and then these people interview them like, what do you mean, which river and which sea? Like, what are you saying? And they're like, Well, why are you asking me questions?
Like, I'm just trying to find out, like, what river are you talking about and what sea does it go to?
Yeah, but dude, this is protests in general, because I remember videos of the March for Our Lives when they were marching for gun control. And they had like these big protests up in Boston and stuff. And they'd go around interviewing them and just ask them, you know, they'd be like, So you know, what is it that? What policy do you want? And they're like, we want a ban on assault weapons, and they'd be like, What's an assault weapon?
And then you already see them being like, Um, well, it's the scary ones.
Joy Behar was on the view talking about shooting a deer with an Ar. There'd be nothing left of the deer.
She just has no idea.
5.
56 is a small round ars. Don't shoot a big round. It's not like a .300 win mag. It's not like a big rifle round. it's a fairly small round.
A huge percentage of these guys, because this is like, so many times I've seen people make this mistake. A huge percent of them think the Ar-15 is a machine gun. You know what I mean? Yeah, a lot of them don't.
It just looks like a tactical gun. And there's some people that, like, don't like the idea of using it for hunting. Because it's a semi-automatic, but realistically, a semi-automatic is more ethical for hunting than a bolt-action rifle. A bolt-action takes too much time to reload. So if you hit an animal and you want to hit it again while you can still see it, you want to be able to go bang, bang.
You want to be able to get a second shot into that animal, it's more humane.
Right, right.
So it's really a very good gun, except for the round, the round is not like that heavy.
One of the real problems in the gun control debate is that, which kind of makes sense by the nature of it. But the people who are on the side of gun control tend to not like guns and not be around guns, right? But then the problem is that you're having a debate about something that you just don't know anything about.
Sure, like saying that an AR-15 would be terrible. People kill deers with way bigger rounds, yeah.
Way bigger rounds. It's just a statement out of ignorance, by the way, that's not a blanket statement for everyone. Like, there are people who are for gun control, who know a lot about guns, but generally speaking, the people who support that tend to be the ones who aren't around guns. Don't know.
People with guns live in blue cities, where the only people who have guns are criminals and cops.
Yeah, well, it's one of those things where you have an opinion, and that opinion is oftentimes just an opinion that you have adopted from your ideology. There's like a predetermined pattern of opinions and behavior that you've adopted. This is acceptable for my tribe, right, right?
And you know, when you say AR-15, you don't even have to know anything. You just tell people, Oh, you're going to blow that deer to smithereens, there's going to be nothing left.
Yep, and then the other, the major to me, like the major problem, and I think this is kind of like. The fundamental libertarian insight is that people remove themselves from what they're actually advocating for. When they're advocating for, like laws against things, right? And so you, in a lot of people's minds, when they're advocating for gun control, what they're advocating for is like, less mass shootings, right?
You know what I mean, like, that's what I want, I want less mass shootings, right? So here's how we get it.
It's the same thing when people advocate for criminalizing drugs or prostitution, or whatever it might be. What they're advocating for their mind is like, I want less drug use, or I want less of it.
It's also missing the nuance.
But the reality is, and this is what I mean by the libertarian insight, is that what you're actually advocating for is that men with guns throw human beings in a cage for the crime of possessing a gun. Not doing anything to anybody, not violating anybody's rights, but just, and in this country, all throughout this country. We have people who are sitting in cages for decades for the crime of just owning a weapon, like many cases, for self-defense.
In many cases, they were just doing it because they wanted to protect themselves. You could just have a gun and bring it across a state line, which in many cases, people live right on the border and cross state lines. All the time going to work or going to a friend's house or something. And the crime of having that gun and bringing it over this state can land you like a 15-year jail sentence. And so even it's true with drugs and with all of this stuff. The real question, when you're talking about writing laws against something, shouldn't be like, how do you feel about that thing? It should be like, are you willing to throw another human being in a cage for that? And basically, I think, if you really ask yourself that and you're a decent person, you get to a place of like. The only thing that it would be morally acceptable to throw a human being in a cage for is a violent crime where somebody is victimized, or some type of, like property crime. Where you've, like, you know?
And Bernie Madoff shit.
Well, yeah, I mean, because stealing from people, or just like burning somebody's house down, you know, like stealing their money from them. Because when you steal, when you take somebody's property like. It may not, by the technical letter of the statement, be a violent crime, but you have violated them. In some sense, like in a sense. Like if you work all day and you make x amount of dollars for that, and then I steal x amount of dollars from you. I basically stole your day, like I almost retroactively enslaved you for a day that you just worked for me against your will. So those? But outside of that, outside of, like, property crimes and violent crimes. There's just like, I just think there's no moral case that we should throw human beings in a cage over it. No matter how much you don't like their behavior or their actions.
Well, there's a lot of problems, right? One of the problems is that it's profitable to put people in cages, that's for sure, with everything in this world. When it becomes profitable. They figure out a way to justify whatever the fuck they have to do. Whether it's lie about side effects, or lie about the dangers of certain food additives, or lie about the effect of pesticides or herbicides, whatever the fuck it is, they've always shown that they will find a way to justify. Even if it's the sugar industry bribing scientists to pretend that saturated fat is the problem, they'll find a way if money's involved.
So if money's involved in that, why would it be any different? And it's not.
Well, right, so. And this is basically kind of the beauty of free market capitalism, which we have so distorted with this kind of giant crony capitalist system that we live under. Is that in a free market?
If there's no government involvement and you're in a free market, there's still all of those incentives that you're talking about. All these companies want to make as much money as possible, but what it kind of does is channel that into something where, like, all right, how do we make as much money as possible? Well, you got to make something that people really want to buy, you got to make something that they really want. You know what I mean?
And I'm not suggesting there can't be any corruption in that type of system. But once you get the government involved in it now, the way to make the most money is to force things on people. You get the government to write a rule, and now the people have no choice. And so these incentives that can somewhat exist in harmony with doing good for society in some conditions is now totally corrupted, right? Like, it's totally so.
Even if you think about something with, like, let's say, you have, like, the vaccine, or a vaccine or something like that. And theoretically, there's no collusion between the government and pharmaceutical companies. And you want to get people to take your vaccine. Well, you're going to have to, like, convince them that it's really good for them, you're going to have to sell them on, like, no. Look at this data, look at how much this reduced the rate of death from this, look at all this great information about the vaccine.
But if you have the government involved, then you're like, well, you know what? Just go lobby the government to make it mandatory. Then we'll rake in profits. That's so much more of a profitable direction to go. And so, you know, all these things get corrupted.
And particularly today, we just, you know, the size of the U.
S federal government is the biggest organization in the history of the world. There's nothing, there's not even a close second.
And it's got survival instincts. Yeah, it doesn't want to give up ground, it doesn't want to give up power, it wants to keep expanding.
It wants more funding for its projects, it wants to hire more people to deal with something in an incompetent way. And it's not like the free market, where, like, if it's incompetent, it's a competitor that comes along and does a better job and you're going to lose the market.
Have you ever looked at the if you look at, like, the list of the richest counties in America? And they're like, I forget the exact numbers? It's like it's all lobbyists, well, it's like 10 of the they're all, not all. But the vast majority of them are right outside Washington, D..C. and right outside New York City. And so like, what is that? is that capitalism?
Do you go to Washington, D?
C.
And you go, Oh, there's more millionaires there than there are in any other part of the world. In the suburbs around Washington, D.
C.
Is that because there's great, big factories and they're making so much stuff that everyone wants to buy? It's like, No, that's because our centralized federal government spends over $6 trillion a year, and where does that money go?
It goes into all the people who are connected to government. And why is it outside of New York City? Is it because in New York City they have great big factories where they're making all the things that everyone wants? It's like, No, and that's not because of capitalism.
That's because Richard Nixon took us off the gold standard. And now it's just this phony casino, Wall Street money. So it's everybody, all the people at the top who are making all of this money, they're not making it. It'd be one thing if you're like John D. Rockefeller before he colluded with the government. And you created standard oil, and now there's this big oil company. And you're making the country richer by this, but they're not making the country richer.
They're extracting wealth out of the rest of the population, it's all just extracted. I mean, literally, the federal spending is extracting wealth out of people by taxing them and then spending it. Literally taking the money from people who work and giving it to politically connected people. And then the Wall Street money is just printing money and then making your dollar less valuable, so just in another way, extracting wealth from the people. And this is basically why we live in this populist moment right now, where so many people are so freaking furious at the establishment because they're right to be.
They're right to be. It's a shit system, it's a shit scary system that you can never beat if it gets to make its own rules.
Well, and it's not what America was supposed to be.
It's so wild, the stock market is such a wild idea that it's based on confidence. And you bet on companies, essentially betting on companies buying and selling. And you can wreck them and you can own them. And there's people that just play that game. All they do is chase after businesses, short businesses, you could short a country.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, it's pretty wild, it's pretty wild, it's the craziest gambling. But this is also to go back to Ron Paul stuff. This was at the center of his campaign.
I don't think anybody else outside of the Libertarian Party will put up candidates who talk about this stuff. But Ron Paul was the only one in a major party who got a huge amount of traction behind him. He was like, Look, this is all like when you have a fiat currency system and you go off of any type of gold standard or anything. That kind of limits the government's ability to just print as much money out of thin air as they want to. You get this thing where we live in a cycle of constant inflation and this is something that people don't put that much thought into. Like, you know, when you're talking to your grandma or something and she's like, in my day, a bottle of coke was a nickel. We just take that almost as like, Yeah, well, that's how it works.
Things over time get way more expensive because that's been so just how we've always experienced life, that it's just a given that everything's always going to be a little more expensive. And we may have a bad year where things are like 9 more expensive, and then maybe we'll have a better year where things are only 2 more expensive. But it's always going in this direction. But that's not a law of nature, that doesn't just have to be that way. And in fact, if you looked at like from the year, say, 1800, to the year 1900, somebody talking to their grandparents would have had the complete opposite thing.
They would have been like, Oh my god, it was so much more expensive when I was young. And now things are getting cheaper. And in fact, the natural tendency in a society that's developing the natural pressure is for things to get cheaper. Because if you just think about it, right? Like, you get more efficient at making them, you know what I'm saying, you get more efficient at making them. You can make more things with less manpower.
That would naturally put a downward pressure on prices, but because the government keeps printing money, the value of the money goes down. And so we live in the system where things get more and more expensive. But then when you have that right, and then you have all types of government incentives on top of that, right? So it's like, okay, first of all, you're going to if you just hold your money. Because this is what people used to do many generations ago was the idea of just saving your money, you save it, but if you just save your money today. Joe, you're a sucker because of this system, right?
Like, if you just hold your dollars well, you're just losing money actively. So you've got to be chasing interest. In order to just not lose money, you have to be chasing an investment. You know what I mean, you have to be like gambling on something.
And so now and then, of course, there's also other like tax incentives, where like, you can kind of defer taxes if you invest in things. And so you're kind of, like, pushed into, you know, like, well, put it in your 401K, put it in this, put it in that, and then you won't. But just think about that. Like, logically, aside from being really good for rich bankers, why would you think that it's a for, like, an average, you know, say, like, couple who's just like working and making money? And they don't know anything about stocks and bonds and trading for, you know, exchange-traded funds and what to invest in, and whatnot. Why would you say that you should be working? No, you shouldn't be working and saving a little bit for your retirement? What you should be doing is gambling, you should always be gambling your money constantly.
Isn't that sound? Financial advice? Gamble and gamble on something that you don't understand.
Right, and you've done no research on, yeah.
Trust someone who works on Wall Street.
Do you remember that time, about a year or so ago, where banks started failing? Mm-hmm. remember that? remember how spooky that was?
Yeah.
Where banks started going under and there was a real concern that it would cause, you know, a cascade effect.
They were very, very concerned about that, yeah.
And it didn't, but it got close and we had never heard about that. Many banks, I mean, there was a savings and loan crisis. Remember when a bunch of those places went under? I remember that.
I found out about that because Vinnie Pazienza, the boxer, lost a bunch of money in one of those.
Oh, really, yeah.
Like, you know, I think his life, earnings, I think he lost a shitload of money. Like quite a few people have lost a lot of money in these fucking things where banks go under. Yeah, all of a sudden you lose everything.
Like, what, you don't have my money?
There's no money. Well, and of course, in 2008, that was the big one 2008, and they really set a precedent there. With that kind of too big to fail line of logic, where, if that's true, that the banks are too big to fail. And then you bailed all of them out, and now they're bigger than they were then, then they're really too big to fail now, right? So it kind of perpetuates this idea that we listen, the banking system, and everybody kind of knows this. The banking system is built on a house of cards and it could collapse at any moment. And if it does, the federal government's going to have to come rob you of your money to give to a bunch of bankers again.
That's our system, that's our financial system.
And the CEOs of those banks still got bonuses.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they all still got bonuses.
They said they had to give them bonuses, otherwise they would leave and go other places.
And it shows a real eroding of something completely different than the political system, just our culture. That there wasn't, at least like, enough shame of those people to just go. Yeah, I'm going to not take my bonus this year. Because I don't want to get dragged through the streets and, like, killed by the citizens of this country. I don't want to feel like that. And it's not as if these people didn't already have tens of millions of dollars, like they really needed their bonus from this year. Or, like, little Timmy isn't going to get his Thanksgiving turkey? Yeah, it's like, No, I want a fifth yacht.
It's like that level, but the whole banking system is it? What's the oh man, I'm going to get this one? What's the Christmas movie? Where they kind of go over fractional reserve banking?
Is it? It's a wonderful life. The one where they're like, where they all come into the bank, there's like a bank run and they want their money. And he's like, Oh, but don't you see, your money's over here at Frank's farm? and then his money's over there? And that's how? But like, I can't remember which one it was, but anyway.
Is it? It's a wonderful life? Is that what it was?
Yes, I think it was. It's a wonderful life. No, maybe not.
It's an old-ass movie.
Yeah, yeah, it's an old one, but the whole system of fractional reserve banking is really kind of this fascinating like thing. Because everybody still kind of has in their mind that if you, you kind of have in your mind that the money in your bank account is your money. And that you're holding it, that they're holding it for you. But that's not right, that's not what's going on.
And if you ever actually read, like the contract that you sign when you open a checking account, that's not what it is. It's more like you're loaning money to the bank and they owe that money to you, but they don't have to give it to you. You could, legally speaking, you could walk in tomorrow to a bank. I mean, no one actually walks up to a teller anymore.
It's a wonderful life, isn't a Christmas movie, it's a banking movie.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So that is the scene I was right about that. Okay, but so you could walk into the bank tomorrow and you're checking, you know, account balances, whatever. Say it's $5,000 and you could go, I'd like to take out $2,000 and they can say no.
You can't have it now, they owe it to you technically, but they don't have to give it to you. They're not just holding it for you to give to you on demand. Now, the system hasn't collapsed, so they will give that to you today if you walk into a bank.
But if too many people come in and they want too much money?
Well, they don't have, it is the point, so when you open a bank account. And I don't know exactly what the reserve rates are now, because I know they did change this during Covid. But for a while, it was 10 was what the Federal Reserve set as the reserves that you had to put away. So when you come into your bank and you give them $100 to open a checking account, just to make it an easy number. They hold $10 and they loan out $90, and now so they'll loan that money out, and so essentially, they owe you $100..
But the effect of this right is that now there's this guy. So let's say you open an account with $100, now there's another guy who takes out a loan for $90.
And you're now in the economy and kind of like, you think you have $100 and he thinks he has $90, but really, there's only, there's not $190, there's only $100. You get what I'm saying, but here's where it gets even crazier than that.
This guy doesn't just hold his $90, he goes and puts it in the bank. And so the bank holds 10 of that money and then loans out 90 of that to somebody else, who then puts that money in the bank. And then they take 10. So when you actually look at the effect of it, there's like not nearly as much money in the bank as we all think we have. So, essentially, if everybody came into the bank, or even just too many people came into the bank and said, we'd like to withdraw our money. There's nowhere near enough money for them to give you, so inherently, the whole thing is kind of a house of cards.
It's like, when you're going to a stadium and try to use your cell phone, you realize there's no signal. Even though you have five bars because everyone's using their phone, so there's no signal for you. You can't get online, you can't make a phone call.
Right, like, this thing only works if we're not all trying to do it at the same time, but if we do, then we're in a lot of trouble.
Yeah, cell phone towers get overwhelmed and they're fucked.
You've experienced that before, right? Oh yeah, yeah, I have, dude. Even just a week ago, I was on a flight where the wi-Fi was out and so your phone's useless now. And it is such a weird feeling when you're just like, I guess I'll look on this TV thing now.
Disconnected.
It's like you're almost instantly zoomed.
Into 15 years ago, or something like that.
I came back down to be excited. Let me check what I got.
Yeah, yeah, what's my texts? But there was something kind of, you know, there is something kind of nice about it, that putting your phone away for a little bit and just doing the old thing.
Oh yeah, no, something very nice about it. It's unfortunate, but we're moving in that direction further and further, and we're not coming back.
Oh, and you just got, there's no fight in it.
You know, when we were talking earlier about the gun control argument? I think that is one of those other red and blue discussions. Where if you were on one side, you're like, we've got to take all the guns away. And which is so crazy short-sighted, it's the, I mean, it sounds like a fucked up thing to say, but if things got way worse, it could protect you from tyranny, like it's happened in the past, it's a real issue.
And to think it's not a real issue is so crazy. It might not be a real issue with the current administration, but to give people more and more power as they require more and more power. And then you see what happens in other countries, that can happen here, kids, it can happen anywhere. It is a way human beings behave.
But one of the things that is always stunning to me is this willingness. This desire to ignore the fact that almost all these shooters are on psychiatric medications. And if you bring that up somehow or another, you're a conspiracy theorist. We are literally talking about chemicals that alter the way your mind works. And there seems to be some connection. Whether it's because only a crazy person would wind up being a mass shooter, maybe.
Maybe that's it, but the fact that there's no discussion of, maybe there's a connection.
Can it be? It also might be because I don't know if we actually know this, or like, if you're drug testing these shooters after. But it could be also like being on this medication and then suddenly going off of the medication. You know, like, it's hard to tell, but that's still a concern about the medication itself. How are you going to make sure this person isn't going off it if that's the issue?
You can't control it.
Right? But look, even on a lot of these SSRI psychotropic drugs, they'll say in the disclaimer, like side effects can be like depression, thoughts of suicide, things like this.
We're messing with chemicals in your brains, and they're saying, well, for the most part, we think it makes people feel less depressed.
But there are some people.
Who? It actually makes feel more depressed. And then they'll even put suicidal thoughts on there. And so you're like, are you telling me that? It's a crazy leap to think that if a drug might make you have suicidal thoughts, it might make you have homicidal thoughts, because that is that crazy to say.
It's not crazy at all. And look obviously like you're. What you're saying here is like, there's kind of like a circular like aspect to the argument. Because you could also make the point that you're like, Oh, no. The reason why so many of these mass shooters are on these drugs is because they're the type of people who would need these drugs. But there's at least something to look at there, where it's like, Yeah, but is it possible that the drugs itself are making this worse? Because, look, we just when it comes at least to the school shooting, you know, stuff. We did not have this problem before. There was a time in American history when this just was not happening.
And it was a time before we had these drugs. So there's at least at least raises the question of, is it possible that this is actually what's going on? And then how exactly can it be that, like, what, like, through all of human history? It was just wrong. And the truth is that children must be medicated like children must be on drugs as they're being raised up.
And it is, it is criminal, it is criminal. How quickly the vast majority of of psychiatrists will just prescribe a little boy. Adderall, or, you know, I think that's more popular than Ritalin now, or whatever, the other one, that new one, that's the kind of like Adderall is now. Let's put them on drugs, like I can't sit still, but on drugs, drug them.
That, like, you're not even talking about, like, like, perhaps there is an argument to that. There are. There are certain people, I think, who need to be on medication. I mean, I've known people who have like a bipolar disorder and like, if they don't take this medication, they're going to be in a very bad place. You know what I mean?
But the idea that, just like every little boy who can't sit still needs to be drugged, well, that's just insane.
If you've paid attention to the relationship between pharmaceutical drugs and the salespeople, and then the doctors and the the cozy relationship that these people all have. And you realize, like, well, there's a lot of money to prescribing these drugs, and as disgusting as that sounds, people are willing to put people on drugs they may not even need. That could have detrimental effects if it can be profitable.
And I think one of the things, certainly I learned this in a very personal way over the last few years. And I think probably a lot of people listening to it too, is that a lot of doctors are, let's just say, totally reliant on whatever the institutions say. And they will then come out in their white coat and be like, I totally recommend this medication. And it's just because one of these major institutions said it, they're trusting them, they have not done their own independent research on this at all. I'm not sure if it's like how many cases. It's because they're corrupt, and it's actually it's profitable for them to do this, or how many of the cases. They've just kind of, like, accepted that the experts have them.
They themselves have accepted, like the experts have figured this out. And so it doesn't hurt that I'm making money off of this, too, but I'm going to tell you to do this. But I had this experience with with doctors telling me to not only telling me to get the Covid vaccine, but telling me to give it to my little children. Starting at with my. My boy was only a little over six months when they were telling me to give him the Covid vaccine. And then I'm arguing with the doctor about it and I'm dominating him in the argument.
Like, he hasn't read half the shit that I've read about this and he has no response to. Like the points that I'm bringing up. And it's just very eyeopening to be like, Damn man. Like, I always just kind of trusted that my doctor knew more about medicine than I do. And if he's recommending something, it's because he's looked into it and knows that this is a, you know, wise recommendation.
There's a lot of good doctors, for sure. There's a lot of doctors that are not paying attention and don't give a fuck. And are just working and shuffling patients in and out of their offices. And they're in debt, and then, on top of that, they're probably medicated.
The people that I know, I know a couple of people that are doctors that are shockingly medicated. Like, they'll tell me that they're on this, that and that, and this, and this, one for that and that one for this. This is a mood stabilizer like.
Whoa, yeah.
So are you just like experimenting? are you like going to your friend who's also a doctor and saying, let's try that out, let's try this out? Well, if you're just prescribing medication to people, wouldn't it be even normal for you just to be taking a bunch of medication?
Yeah, well, I guess so, but dude, I know, I mean, I know a lot of people, I'm sure you do, too. I bet everyone listening to this knows somebody who I know. People who have, like, gone to therapy. The first time. Had a 45 minute session and it ends with a prescription being put in their hand. Like, they've talked to this person for 45 minutes, just had, like, haven't even gotten to know them at all.
You know what I mean, and just ends with the like here. This is what you're on now. We're going to try around with this and to me, that sounds crazy.
Oh, by the way, I should say, just because the point you made, and I like when you said. There are a lot of good doctors out there. I totally believe that too. And doctors saved my son's life. And those doctors are like those doctors. And nurses are like the greatest people I've ever met in my life, and I owe them everything I have like.
I owe them my house and my, you know, everything.
They're just amazing doctors.
So I do, I'm not like trying to, like, say, there aren't these amazing people, particularly. What's touched my life the most is like, pediatric cardiologists and and cardiac surgeons and stuff like that are freaking incredible. Neo, Neo, excuse me. NICU nurses are literally the best group of people I've ever met in my entire life. So I'm not like trying to disparage the entire medical community. It's just that there are so many like of your kind of family doctors, pediatricians, things like that, who will just tell you to get your kids? Give your kids the Covid vaccine. When there's no solid argument for that, and we've passed the point where there even could have been an argument for that.
On top of that, they fired those nurses that weren't willing to get vaccinated, yeah, even the ones that had had Covid and got through it.
Even the ones who were really good at TikTok dances, they all got out.
They all got out, they fucking knew, they knew that it imparted natural immunity. And they're like, No, you got to be a part of the Mark team.
Yeah.
You got to get marked well and the good to be on the good side.
The craziest thing about that was that many of these, these nurses at the point, right? Cause when, when they were, when? The point when they were firing them was already well into 2021. I mean, it must've been like in the summer of 2021 when that started happening. And so these people had been working around Covid positive people since what? at the latest January of 2020..
They went through the worst of it when there was no treatments available.
So 100 of these nurses had either had Covid and gotten over it, or figured out how to protect themselves from getting Covid. By being, you know, like, super careful with, you know, like, N95 masks and washing their hands and stuff.
There's probably their antibodies, it's probably their system that fought it off.
Yes, but I'm just saying none of them have not figured out how to like work under the conditions of the reality of of Covid-19. And so then, at that point, and it was just what was amazing about it. And it shows you a little bit about how the propaganda machine works is that the propaganda starts with, and this happened several times throughout Covid, right? Where the propaganda starts being, Oh, the nurses are the heroes.
Every day at 6 p.m. in New York City, we're going to open our windows and clap for them while we're all locked down. Cause they're the healthcare workers and they're really on the front lines of this battle. And then, as soon as you're not compliant with with with the latest requirements of the regime, your life's ruined.
There's no room for nuance, there's no room for, oh, you've had it, then you don't have to get it, because then you're going to sell less vaccines, right? It's really that simple.
But there's also no loyalty to the like, Oh, weren't they like our heroes last year? And they're like, Nope, they're not helping the current agenda, but you saw that a lot with there. There's a you can hear Fauci talking in 2020 about how we're never going to get a vaccine. And even if we get a vaccine, it's going to take a decade before we'd know it'd be safe.
And so, like, blah, blah. Because he was trying to sell the lockdown regime at the time. And so he was saying like, no, no, no, no, no, no. Don't think there's going to be something that gets us out of all of this. We have to lock down, that's the only way to do it.
But then as soon as that that switched and it was like, Okay, now the plan is to push the vaccine. It was like, No, you have to get the vaccine, everybody has to get that. No questions, don't think about it.
Don't do your own research, I'm your own research.
Do you see what they're doing with soldiers? So, uh, you know, they fired a lot of soldiers who weren't willing to take the Covid vaccine, and now they're inviting them back.
Yeah, well, they're having a big recruitment issue, yeah, in the military, yeah.
Well, how many fucking videos do you have of, uh, some Navy soldier, Navy sailor who, uh, is doing a tick-tock? And he turns into a woman and dances around, like, what?
Aren't you in the Navy? Yeah, like, shouldn't that shit be? Not what you're broadcasting like? This is like, what are you doing?
You doing this for attention, yeah, you would like what? You also have the Navy.
You also would think, and I'm not inside the minds of everybody who joins the military. But I feel like that isn't what most of them get in it for. You know what I mean? Like? That would probably turn off a lot of the these, uh, these young, brave boys who want to, like, join the military to protect the Bill of Rights and defend our country. And make sure your sister doesn't get attacked by a terrorist or something. And they're not really like the wokest amongst us. And, uh, yeah.
Like, that might win you some points in like Portland, but I don't think that. Like most of the kids from like, rural Texas or Alabama who want to sign up to enlist in the military, uh, they might not get it, and they might be a little bit dissuaded by that culture.
I think you're going to turn them away. Oh shit, the fucking military has gone woke too, yeah.
It's a bud light thing for the military. Yeah, you know, the military went bud light.
But it is, look, dude, the the Covid stuff and the the woke stuff, it all does. Just like. It's like, if you just try to, like, step out of a little bit of it and just like, observe what's going on. It's kind of easy to just be like, oh, like, we're living through a moment of national insanity. Yeah, um, let's let's hope this passes, but this is, this is craziness. That for almost, I think, almost anyone else of any other generation, it would be very easy to to describe exactly what you're seeing right now. You'd be like, Oh, this is insanity, well.
It's the first time ever where propaganda has encountered new media.
Yeah.
It's the first time ever so everything seems so insane. And if you're a person that's always gone like, 100 mainstream news, that's it, you haven't. You don't have narratives in your head, like I know a lot of older people, they have, like, very specific CNN or Fox News narratives in their head.
Yeah, well, dude, this is, uh, this is really to me, very revealed with with Israel, though, with the with the war going on over there. Right now, where you see that particular. There's this huge generational gap, where it's like, the older generation is like, No. I know what I know about this is this, and I've always known that. It's like, the story here is that Israel just wants to exist.
And then these crazy, barbaric, uh, Arabs just want to kill them, and that's it. And but you see amongst the younger generation a lot more of an understanding of of that. That's not the entire story now, I'm not saying they get everything right either, but they at least know that, like, that's not the whole story.
Right, um, but look like.
Well, because of people like you, they just laid it out and and here's the best thing about it, what you're. Too many people believe that their side is correct and there's a solution. If you really look at the whole thing, you go, boy, that is. That is insanely complicated, and it's got such a history of horrific violence now.
And one of the things I forgot to ask earlier, the the origin of like, when it was what, what was it originally before? It was Israel, like, what was it named, like, what's the history of that land?
Well, uh.
So was it ever a Jewish state before?
Um, I not, I don't think. A Jewish state, but like in Biblical times, like the Jews, like, lived there, right? But like, uh, the but in the more like recent history. So before it was, basically it was. The Ottoman Empire, ruled it for hundreds of years, um, and it was called Palestine, but it was under the control of of the Turks of the Ottoman Empire. Um, and so that was like, I think for 400 years or something like that, they controlled, uh, the area.
And then in, Uh, so basically, Zionism starts in the late 1800s, uh, this is when the first Zionist writers start. And it starts, uh, mostly by uh, or, or maybe exclusively by Zionism, by Eastern European Jews, and Zionism was, uh, reaction.
I, in my opinion, a very understandable reaction to the pogroms, which, like dude, if you ever want to not be able to sleep at night, go read about the history of the pogroms. It's the most disturbing thing in the world.
I'm not aware of it at all.
Okay, so basically, there would be over and over and over again. There were waves of what you would just describe as kind of state allowed, in some cases state sanctioned, um, just waves of mass violence against Jewish people in eastern Europe. And if you, if you think like the UM, you know, like, if you ever like. If you're in the dark recesses of the internet and you see some like anti-Jewish conspiracy. And you might kind of, like, roll your eyes at it and be like, this is pretty stupid. But the stuff back then, it was like like a virus would come in and they would accuse the Jews of practicing black magic.
And that's why everyone's getting sick from this virus. So, like, try arguing your way out of that one, you know what I mean?
Like, what year is this, what time period?
This is this is happening, um, all throughout the, uh, the 1600s, 1700s, and and into the 1800s, or waves of it over and over again. And it's like, I mean, I'm talking about where, like, they would just storm Jewish areas. And like, literally the stuff that'll give you nightmares. I mean, it's like, like, just rip your baby apart in front of you, rape your wife, make you watch and then beat you to death afterward. And this happened over and over, and over again.
And so the early Zionists were basically like, they were like, we can't live like this anymore, like we can't live with this. Just like waiting for the next pogrom to happen. So we're not doing this anymore and what we need is a Jewish homeland. And that was kind of their conclusion.
And you can totally see where. That's a totally reasonable conclusion in the face of that type of of violence now. There were lots of other Jews who disagreed with them, there were lots of Jews. In fact, at the time, the only opponents of Zionism were Jews. Because they were the only ones who knew about this plan. Anyway, it was only a small group of people, but they were kind of like, Well, no, you're, you're giving into the same anti-semitic narrative that we're trying to fight.
Like, because they'd be saying things like, Look, we are different and we need to remove ourselves from society, and they're like, No, that's what they're saying. We disagree with that. We just want to be, you know, members of the society we live in and give, we just want our, like, equal rights. But anyway, the Zionists took off.
One of the things that's really interesting if you read the early Zionist writings. Um, they did not talk much about Arabs. This is something Daryl Cooper did a really good job of covering in his series, by the way. But they were not talking about Arabs. They they, they very rarely mentioned them. It was like they, they kind of picked Israel because that was the place in their Holy book. Um, you know what I mean?
And that was like the history of, Oh, this is where we started in Israel, like those are our holy sites. But none of the early Zionists had been to Israel, they had our Palestine at the time, they had never been to to this area.
They were just like, This is the one in our Holy book, so like, let's do it there. And they, they don't talk much about Arabs. when they do, they speak of them in pretty friendly terms.
They liked the Ottoman Empire. The Ottoman Empire was was a lot cooler to the Jews than the Russian Empire, where most of these Jews lived, and they liked them. The Ottoman Empire tended to let Jews practice their religion and work and stuff like that, um, and so their enemy was Europeans.
That's in the early Zionist writing, The bad guy is the Europeans who keep oppressing us. And then they're like, look like, let's, let's. They basically started organizing to like, let's get people to go move to to Palestine and start a life there. And over the years, they started to gain, um, some influence over, like some really wealthy Jewish financiers to kind of like back.
This is in what time period this is?
It starts in the late 1800s and then it kind of gets going in the in the first, say, like 15 years of of the of the 20th century. They start building a little bit of momentum, they start raising more money, more Jews start settling in Palestine, and things were relatively peaceful there. For for the beginning, there were like there, there were incidents here and there. But like, relatively speaking, the Jews who lived in in Palestine there were. There were, um, Arab Christians and Arab Muslims, and they lived there and it, it wasn't like a disaster.
Um, and then things started getting much worse in, uh, during and and particularly after the First World War. Um, there's the basically. So, in the First World War, the Ottoman Empire goes to war with the British Empire, and, uh, there were others involved as well. But the Ottomans and the British Empire are fighting each other. Um, and it's, uh, the First World War. There's never been anything like it before in human history. It's the biggest war at the time ever.
And it was very in doubt who was going to win. I mean, like the German like military was, I think, viewed as the the toughest at the time. Certainly, there, uh, there, there, subs, uh, were like, way more advanced than the other, uh, countries in there. And Brit Britain. Britain is, uh, pretty desperate at this point, so the British, uh. They cut a deal with some of the Arab nations.
So the Arabs are are being ruled by the the Ottoman Empire at this point, so the British convinced them to rise up and fight against the Ottoman, uh, empire. And then they say, if you do that, we'll grant you your independence when the war is over and we've won. But then, at the same time, they also, uh um, released the Balfour Declaration, which is so, this is in 1917, this is in the middle of World War one.
And they, they write this Balfour declaration to the Rothschilds, who were like a crazy, rich, powerful banking family. And they cause they were, they were Zionists, and so they write this letter, they were pro the Zionist cause. And so he writes this letter that says, like, Um, it pleases the king that there should be a Jewish homeland in Palestine.
So, but he also said in the in the declaration that, um, with respect to the rights of the non-Jewish people there, this is kind of vague. But it was kind of like the king, basically saying like, Hey, we Rothschilds. We could really use some money for this war. So here's like a declaration that, like, we'll support a Jewish homeland in in Palestine. And then they also promised, promised the French, uh, Syria when the war is over. So they basically were just promising anyone, whatever they can if you help our war effort, and it's just like we got to win this war.
We'll figure it all out after that. So then, after the war, there's all of these different groups who kind of feel entitled to it because they were promised. And so the British Empire, the Ottoman Empire, collapses after the war, they lose, then the British Empire, uh, takes control, and they take control. From the end of World War One up until, uh, 1947. And so the the land was, uh, you know, under the control of European empires for hundreds of years.
But if you ask me, that's not really what counts, like what really counts is like, who was living there? Um, you know, I've heard, uh, again, like, Ben Shapiro, uh, kind of talk about this before. I've heard, um, Laura Loomer, who I just debated, uh last week for, uh, for zero hedge.
Um, and they, they'll both say they'll use this. They'll be like, Oh, there's no such thing as Palestine, and there never was a thing as Palestine, you know? Like, and basically, what they're saying is that there was never an official government, that this is the state government of Palestine. It's just something, a word people use to refer to this strip of land, so they they don't have, like, a right to it.
Cause they never had, like, their government there. But to me, it's just like, I don't know, that's the most un-American, uh, like, way of looking at that. All you gotta do is read our Declaration of Independence to know that that's complete bullshit.
It doesn't matter if that's not what counts, it doesn't matter if you had a government there. Just read the Declaration of Independence and that wipes all of that away. Sorry, here's the deal.
We're free, cause God says so that is self-evident and doesn't need any more explanation than that. That's literally how the Declaration of independence starts, right?
It we we determined that it is self-evident that God gave us freedom, so no argument about that. We're free people and governments, governments are just this thing that man institutes to protect our freedom. And you know what?
If they're not doing a good job, we have every goddamn right and maybe even a duty to overthrow them and create a new one. So that destroys that case right there. These people are there and they deserve natural rights, just like everybody else does. And they're, you know, so, anyway, the things after this, after the Balfour declaration, after World War One, or when things start to get really, really tense.
Hold that thought, I gotta pee, sure. So we're going to come back, we're going to come back from World War One.
Okay, sounds good.
All right.
We're back World War one. Okay, well, we were at, I think, the after World War one, right? So here's there's a little interesting, uh, detail of history that I always found, that's really fascinating.
And so I don't again. I'm going to give Daryl Cooper credit for this, cause I knew about this, but I totally missed this aspect of it. And I think, yeah, he covered it in one of the in one of the UH episodes. But so there was a after World War one, there was this uh commission set up called the King Crane Commission, and it was, uh, it was run by the Americans.
I believe, if I'm not mistaken on this, double double check me people who are listening on this, but I believe. Initially, the English and the French were supposed to be on board with it too, but they pulled out. And it just ended up being the Americans. Which is really a shame because it probably would have held more weight if they had stayed in it. But so the King Crane Commission basically was assigned to go on, basically, a fact finding mission to the Arab world. Cause they're trying to figure out what we're going to do with these countries.
Now, you know, like it's the Ottoman empire used to rule them, they've collapsed it. The mentality there, too, was, I mean, this is like, it's, it's a pretty colonial mentality too, where it's like, I mean, obviously these people can't rule themselves. So like, what are we going to do, who's going to figure it out?
You know, um, so they go, they go to Syria and Palestine. And they basically just interview thousands of people. Uh, the interview, thousands of people trying to figure out what's going on, what people want. I knew about this because one of the details that I always found really fascinating, which I learned from. UH. Tom Woods, who's a brilliant historian, has an amazing podcast, the Tom Woods Show. Um, that in in the King Crane Commission, Uh, Syria, overwhelmingly.
Uh, wanted the United States of America to be. They asked him, Who? What country would you like to rule over Syria under a League of Nations mandate? And they overwhelmingly wanted the USA. And I just find that to be an interesting thing because it really kind of destroys the whole. They hate us for our freedom, you know? Narrative is like, actually, no. Before we started conducting wars in this part of the world, they loved us for our freedom. They liked that we were viewed as we weren't the imperialist country, right? Like, you don't want the English or the French?
Those guys are jerks, but the Americans, they're all about limited government and freedom, right? That was the perception of us before. You know, this is, this is World War one, we're not like the empire yet. Cause I always thought that detail was interesting, but I did. I either I read and forgot, or I never read the part that they come back about. Uh, Zionists.
And they, basically, they come back to Woodrow Wilson and they say, point blank that they're just like, look, this thing in the Belford declaration about like. The idea of a creation of a Jewish state that is also respects the political and civil rights of the Arab population is just not going to work out. And that it's going to take an overwhelming amount of force to do this, they said. They think it's going to be an army of 50,000 people in order to force these, you know, like, Arabs out and create some type of Jewish state. And that it's really going to be. And he says to Woodrow Wilson, they say, Mr.
President, you should know that if you side with the Zionist project here, you're committing not only yourself but all Americans to the use of force against these people. In order to create this state and in order to maintain it, and, uh, Woodrow Wilson shortly after that has a stroke. And, uh, this advice just doesn't, you know, like, get taken or anything like that, but so that's so, that's in the immediate aftermath of of World War One. Then the British take it over.
They they rule it through World War Two, and then this is where.
So before World War Two, say, in like the 1920s, the Zionists are not having that much success. They're a tiny percentage of the population. Over in, uh, uh, in What is Palestine? what is today Israel? And the it's, um, I mean, they're living there. But this, this call for all Jews around the world to move there is really not going good because it's a totally new world now.
And the there were a lot of Jews who were very involved, um, with the Bolshevik Revolution, and so now it's not the Russian Empire anymore, this is the Soviet Union. Um, and the Jews, again, I'm not saying any conspiracy like it was the Jews who did communism, but there were Jews involved in it. You know, lots of them weren't at all. But Jews now are like given positions in government, and their their religious freedom is is like being respected.
At this point, Stalin later turns on the Jews, but at this point he's cool with them. So that problem isn't really happening with pogroms in eastern Europe anymore. Um, this is the roaring twenties now, right? So Jewish people in England, uh, Jewish people in in New York City, they're doing pretty good.
So this call of like, abandon your country, forget everything you have ever known to go live in a desert, you know, like, just isn't resonating with people. And, uh, the Zionists are very adamant that they're like, No, no, you don't understand. This is the calm, but another storm's coming, because another storm always comes. You know, like, they're just, Oh, you think you're being accepted into this society now, but wait and see, you're going to regret your decision to not leave and come here and so. And then you have the rise of the Nazis in the 1930s, and then the Holocaust in the in the 1940s, and so it. The Zionists were kind of proven right in a massive way. Like, kind of like, See, we warned you.
And now look at Joe, Look, what happened, you know? And so this has, uh, you know, after World War Two, particularly, there's a huge, you know, like, influx of Zionist settlers into where Palestine is now. So now they start actually getting their numbers up to, um, where they could, you know, be like, have a chance at actually creating their their own state. And then that takes us kind of to what we were. What I led with, I guess I did this kind of backward here. But then start to 1947, when the British, uh, dropped the whole thing. And then, uh, then to, you know, them, them taking over control of 80 of the land, uh, and then 100 of the land.
And then all the way up to to today, and you know, like, so anyway, all of that to get back to, like, October 7th is. It's like, you know, that was like a horrifically brutal attack, and it's just like, on, it's like, unfathomable. And I know they, you know, a lot of people do compare that to the pogroms, um, or call that a program. But there there is, like, it is a different situation than what was happening in in eastern Europe to Jews.
It's a different situation than what happened under the Holocaust. It's just, you know.
What was the original hatred from the original hatred in eastern Europe?
Um, you know that I think it was. There was a lot of antisemitism, I'm not exactly sure if that in that culture, what it was that they blamed the Jews for. Um, I think that the Jews were, uh, they were a distinct minority who had a different religion and different traditions. And kind of, like, you know what I mean, and and I, you know, I don't know. I'd. I'd have to read into that more, like what the stated grievances were. But I'm telling you that I know. One of them was that when viruses were going around, they'd blame the Jews for practicing black magic.
And so I do think some of them were just on that goofy level of it was just like tribalist hatred.
Did you ever see that really old cartoon where, at one point in time, it was, uh, uh, like a Jew dressed as a wolf?
Oh, what was that? Like a Nazi?
Or a wolf dressed as a Jew? No, it was like a fucking like an old mickey mouse cartoon.
Yeah, I don't know if I've seen this one, I can't remember it, but there was some.
Look at this.
Oh yeah, wow.
It's a wolf dressed as a Jew. Look at this.
So no, it wasn't a wolf. Yeah, see, there it is, oh.
It was a wolf pretending to be a Jew.
Yes.
Oh, I took that all the wrong way. At first, I thought it was a Jew pretending to be a wolf.
No.
Now I get it.
It's a wolf with a Jew mask on, but how crazy is that?
And this is 1933.
Yeah.
How wild is that?
Yeah, it is. It is pretty wild to see.
Three Little Pigs 1933 The Jew Peddler Scene now. Didn't they change in the future? I think in the future? They redid it and they turned it into just a wolf. Yeah, so this is the one on the right, see?
It's the cleaned up version. They stopped having it be a Jew, it had to be a wolf pretending to be a person.
That was the first iteration of wokeness was. They were like, Yeah, we can't really get away with that Jew thing anymore.
Isn't that wild?
It is pretty wild, you know, what's wild about that time when you see the propaganda that was for adults, clearly at that time, but it would be cartoons. Have you ever seen the one? There's the one where it's a daffy duck? not? is it daffy duck? Wait, I'm confusing the two ducks.
It's one of those ducks, but it's a whole like, pay your taxes.
I think, Is it Donald?
Yes, Donald Duck, Sorry, I always get those confused and I got little kids, I should be better.
And then there's the one duck that's like, Really rich. Who's the one duck?
That was scrooge McDuck.
I believe Scrooge McDuck.
Uncle Scrooge, Uncle Scrooge, that's right, that's his uncle, right? But do you ever see the one I'm talking about, where it's like, pay your taxes?
I do believe I see it, it's this one. Yes, let me see that.
Disney World propaganda Well, it's Donald Duck versus taxes. Here it comes. The video looks great. Wow.
1943.
Yes, payday. Millions of dollars pouring into the hands of the American worker. Now, in the mind of the average worker, live two separate personalities one.
The Thrifty.
SCroOge Wait a bit, Laddie, you're going to save a bit of that, aren't you, oh?
Yeah.
Oftentimes, idle money burns a hole in your pocket, brings out the other personality, the spendthrift. He's a pimp. Come on with me.
I'll show you how to spend your dough.
Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy.
I got a couple of good dates.
But Laddie, I've got some better dates, important ones, too. When every American should pay his or her income tax gladly and proudly this year, thanks to Hitler and Hirohito, taxes are higher than ever before. Will you have enough money on hand to meet your payments when they all due?
Ah, we'll figure that later, but you do not want to forget our fighting men, do you?
Then you'll have to start saving right away to meet your tax payments.
Yeah.
It goes on, I think, for a while, but isn't it like, is it crazy? This is for grownups.
Yeah.
Wow.
Idle hour club.
Oh, look, it's a Nazi swastika.
Ah, you see, and that's what happens when you don't give your taxes.
You go to the idle hour club, it's a swastika for a front door.
No, you didn't pay your taxes, support your boys.
Look, he's got swastikas in his eyes.
Oh my God, they gave him a Hitler mustache and a little swoop and a swastika for a tie. Oh my God, this is crazy.
Well.
You know, it was pretty easy to distribute propaganda back then.
Yeah, you could make cartoons for grownups and that would convince them.
Look what they did with Reefer Madness.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Reefer madness in What is it the 30s when they put that out?
I think, so, yeah.
That fucked people up for 100 years.
I know, and it's amazing that it says something about how different our culture is. Though, that, like that type of propaganda would work back then, and how much more sophisticated it has to be today, you know, like it was like a simpler time. Well, now it's a comedy.
If you watch Reefer Madness now, it's a comedy like a thing that was meant to terrify you is now unintentionally hilarious.
Yeah, and just imagine like, if people, if someone from like, say like, you took someone from the 1930s and just showed them. Like an action movie today, like, like a high def action movie. They'd be like, what in the world is this? like? they would just blow their minds, you know what I mean?
Show Fast and The Furious 15 or whatever, yeah.
Like, they're used to a movie where it's like, Ah, see, now we got a dame coming and then, like, you just showed them this, like, just.
Isn't it also interesting that we accepted a certain very specific way of talking? That is completely unnatural for a narrator, a narrator, to be explaining what is happening to Donald Duck?
Yeah.
I weird fucking DJ voice thing.
I was watching recently with my daughter the the original Frosty the Snowman movie, and the movie just opens with some guy, you know, he's just like it was. It was the foist snow of the season and all frosty would come up. You know what? I mean, it's just such a, I actually found it kind of great cause.
I was like, this is just such a lost like thing. I'm kind of glad she's seeing this. You know what I mean, cause it's just such a different time and a different, you know what I mean, like a a a different voice.
And like, it's, it's very strange, that's, it's kind of cool in a way. I'm interested in that time period. I mean, not so much the pay your tax propaganda, that part I don't like.
But Frosty is no man.
The Frosty was cool. Yeah, I got, that guy was all right.
Um, freeze Meister Yeah, remember that dude? I'm just I'm thinking, how would you have seen this? In 1943, when it came out? I can probably the movie theaters before, something like, Yeah, I played a bunch of shit.
Yeah.
I'd imagine theaters.
They would play the news in movie theaters, so you'd go to the movie theater and they would show you what is going on. In World War Two allied troops. They would show you talk about it.
But you talk about how easy it would be to just capture the narrative completely. Back then, you know, like it was a false flag.
They're so easy to pull off. look at the Gulf of Tonkin. uh-huh, so so easy to pull off.
Yeah, they they would get away with a lot of that stuff. And then, you know, look, it's obviously, you know, world War in World War one like to me, World War one is the big one. I think Woodrow Wilson is the worst president in the history of the United States of America.
Uh, he did more damage to just the entire world and particularly our country. As the guy, you know, like, I hate him. Because he created the Federal Reserve and the income tax, uh, or signed them into law in his administration. But he's the one getting us into World War one. And this is why my thing isn't like, Oh, I blame Israel for everything, or I blame the Jews for everything.
I blame Washington, D.C. for everything like, I really, I mean, again, not everything. Bad things happen in the world, but there's so much responsibility on on the U. s federal government.
Cause, basically, World War One was a war that we never should have been involved in. It had nothing to do with us. Um, it was a war between European monarchies. You know what I mean?
Battling over who runs the world? And all of the advice of all of our founding fathers was like, that's exactly why we're here. To not be a part of that, right? Like, if you read anything that, uh, that Adams or Thomas Jefferson or George Washington said about foreign policy, it was all like, That is what you do not do. Do not get into entangling alliances between these despots. That's not what we're here for. What we're here is to be a city on a hill, to have free people. You know, that's, I mean, short as they may have fallen of that vision. The whole slavery thing was a pretty big one, but regardless, that was what they said.
And then World War one comes along and it's like textbook like, yes, don't get involved in this. And the war was basically thought to a stalemate before America got involved, and then America got involved and tipped the balances over. So much so that not only was it not a stalemate anymore. But they got an unconditional surrender out of the Germans, and then because they got this unconditional surrender, they forced the Treaty of Versailles on the Germans. And totally, like, just, you know, devastated Germany and humiliated them in front of the world. And then that's the ground by which the Nazis rise up.
And then that's the ground by which we're in a second world war. You know what I mean? And so, and then these two things, the First World War and the Second World War, which is the biggest bloodbaths in human history. Just goddamn horrific. I mean, you know, you think if we? if we think now, oh, it's. It's kind of depressing how bad things are going in this area or this area.
I mean, man, nothing is like the two World Wars that we fought in the 20th century. Just nothing, just people by the tens of millions dying. I mean, just to put in perspective, and this, this assault on Gaza is pretty awful.
And what are the estimates? Like 10,000 people died there. It's horrific and I don't know if those numbers are exactly right or not. A lot of that does come from Hamas.
So I don't know, but a lot of people are dying, thousands of people are dying, for sure, for sure, but by the tens of millions people were dying in the World wars. And it's just like the it's on a level you can't even fathom.
Right?
But the real fear is that that could escalate again and then we could have something like that again, and it's much more scary now.
Well, yes, but the prospect of a world war is we have, you know, much more power and much more devastating military weapons than we ever did. So, yeah, you really want to avoid one now, even more than you wanted to avoid it there. But I mean, basically, I, I'd say that it's just like, right. And and look, when you say there's the threat of it spreading to a wider conflict, there's no question about that. I mean, you got, you got Hezbollah right there in Lebanon.
They're a strong fighting force, man. And they really hate the Israelis because Israel occupied them for a for a while, and they successfully drove Israel out of southern Lebanon. And you've got Iran, of course, who the Israelis have have hated for years, and they hate them right back too. And there's been a whole bunch of people in Washington, D.C. who have been have been dying for a war with Iran for a long time now.
I mean, they wanted that war in Iran under George W. Bush. They didn't get it, but they this was, if, you know, we always go back to that. WeSLEy Clark The plan of all the countries they were going to topple Iran is the last one.
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