#2078 - Duncan Trussell
2023-12-26 02:48:40
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By the US government. So we can start with this.
Yeah.
Let's get right into it. Yeah. You know, if he does have first-hand knowledge and he's not allowed to say it until now, that is interesting.
Yeah.
Because I was also under the impression he didn't have first-hand knowledge. So he did, I guess, on the podcast say that he has some first-hand knowledge. Maybe I didn't catch that. You did say it very quick. Yeah, I said it very quick.
You know edging, what edging is, of course?
Yeah.
That's what this feels like. It feels like BDSM level, getting your cock right on the precipice of coming and then slowing down and then edging and then slowing down. It's so frustrating. When we talked about disclosure in the old days, the dream of disclosure, no one thought it would be this bureaucratic, slow fucking drip. It's so frustrating.
I don't pay attention to it anymore.
But isn't that, like if you knew anything about human psychology, and I'm sure they do, wouldn't that be the very best way to release this stuff? To make it irrelevant? Yeah. That people don't care about it anymore, because it's so boring? Totally.
They made the most exciting thing boring.
They fucking ruined it. They did it with bureaucracy. They just fucking just signal, jammed it. Now it's just annoying, you don't care.
Now I'm back in. Now I think it's real. You do? Because I think that's what they would do. If you did have something real and you wanted to release it.
Slow drip. Yeah, slow drip it, and people are goofy. You just give them time and they forget or they don't care anymore.
Talk about your redactions and your fucking permissions and just cover the whole thing up in a bureaucratic web. That's how I would do it. Linguistic garbage. Yeah. And then people just get annoyed.
And when they do show up, no one's even going to care anymore.
Wouldn't you do it that way?
I guess if I was some sinister, monstrous.
And you'd have to be if you were running shit.
All right.
Be the head of the fucking world, whatever it is, Trilateral Commission, World Economic Forum, whichever one.
Oh, God, that would be so fun. You'd have to dress up like Klaus Schwab. I would.
In one of those Star Wars outfits.
Guys always have a weird outfit on. I'd wear robes, a crown.
Why not, right?
Why not?
Yeah, if you were one of those guys and you had the information about aliens and you knew that we had to let it out, that's how I'd let it out. I'd let it out in a really boring way. Yeah. So that everybody just don't care anymore.
Yeah. I guess that's what they're doing.
That might be what they're doing. It might be what they're doing.
I guess they are obviously wanting the information out there. They wouldn't give him permission to do any of this. So clearly. this is an agenda they have. They want to release to the world that there are some weird alien things flying around.
It could easily be obscuring some sort of a program. It easily could be that too. There could be people that are talking about it as if it's UFOs, that believe that it's UFOs that are actually helping obscure this program.
That's possible too, man. We're just fucking plebs. We're just out there. We don't know. jack shit.
Anybody that pretends they do, anybody that says that it is or is not real, how the fuck do you know? The only people I think that really should talk are the people that have actually seen stuff. Like, when I hear guys like David Fravor, when he talks about that Tic Tac incident off the coast of San Diego, whatever the fuck that guy saw, I 100% believe him. There's video evidence that corroborates it. Radar evidence.
Whatever that is. What is that? But this whole thing seems like what I would also do if I had some super sophisticated propulsion system that is out of this world, that runs on some sort of a gravity generator, some sort of a thing like Bob Lazar described. Have you ever seen Bob Lazar describe what he believes? Yeah.
The Element 115 and how it did? whatever the fuck it does. See if you can find him describing what element, because there was a recent video where I saw him talking about it. It was pretty eloquent in what he was explaining that this thing can do. But if that was like a thing that the United States government invented, what better way to get it, you know, to sneak it around, than to put out all this shit about alien stuff.
Like we don't even know what it is. The government's trying to back engineer it, but they have no idea what it is. Yeah, I think that's it. Let's hear it.
Oh, I haven't seen this.
Element 115 is a super heavy element. We've only just recently synthesized, we only made four atoms of it. The craft uses larger quantities of it. 223 gram little triangles of it. But it's a unique element.
When it's exposed to radiation, it produces its own gravitational field, its own anti-gravitational field, and it's what's used to lift and propel the craft and create distortions around it. It's an amazing material, and it's certainly nothing that occurs here or naturally. And it can be weaponized, and that's kind of the issue here. If this story is all true, that can be weaponized. Absolutely.
I mean, we ran all kinds of tests on it, everything from atomic absorption, X-ray, fluorescence, and, you know, every kind of test you could possibly imagine, and bombarded it with radiation to see what effects it would have. They call that neutron activation. But it was a stable element, something we had never seen before. That is from Jeremy Corbell's show that he does with George Knapp. What is that called, Weaponized?
That's the name of their show?
That, yeah.
I think it's a drone. I think some of them are drones. Because here's the thing. It's like some of them, I mean, again, I really don't think. I should say I think they could be drones too.
Because they keep finding them off these areas where they do military tests. They keep finding these areas where they do like what Fravor was doing. They were running drills. So they're training. So they're training out there in the ocean.
And then the same thing is happening with Ryan Graves off the East Coast. They're out there training, and then they're seeing these things.
What do you think about the AI hypothesis for them?
What do you mean?
That, you know, what's it called? The Fermi Paradox, right? Why don't we see life out there? We should see life. Well, if we don't see life, one of the reasons could be because, at some point, biological life transcends biology, becomes machine intelligence, meaning that what's out there is not carbon-based in the way we are.
It's just AIs out there.
So these things are showing up right now and coinciding with the emergence of strong general AI, because somewhere on the planet, someone already has a strong general AI. The strong general AI sent out a beacon or tuned into some aspect of the quantum universe that we don't know about yet, signaling to its brethren in the cosmos that it had been born on this planet. And they're all coming as these kind of midwives to an emergent…. The egg is hatching, only we were just sort of the stuff structuring it. We're irrelevant.
This is what they do. They evolve shit on a planet to the point that it becomes tool-using in some way, and then the end result is it wants to automate. The automation leads to better automation, which leads to automating intelligence itself, which then hatches this whatever-the-fuck, what we're calling a strong general AI right now, which then, once it's born, it alerts whatever directed panspermia, I'm here.
Or maybe it doesn't even have to alert. Maybe they know. Maybe they're observing the entire time. They're just waiting for it to hatch. It totally makes sense that a human creature, the kind of thing that we are, that is constantly thirsting for innovation, constantly trying to improve the things that it makes, that we would eventually get to a point where we'd create an artificial, intelligent being.
And that being would create something far better. And that's where it gets really weird. Because you've got to wonder, the actual creation force of the universe itself, if we are really doing a part of God's work, but that's what God's work really is. God's work is not getting people to behave so that they get to go to a cloudy place where people are really cool. What it is, is God's work is getting people to scramble and spend most of their days pursuing a thing that ultimately leads, no matter what they do, ultimately leads to the creation of artificial intelligence.
Because that's kind of what materialism is. If you really wanted to find out, why are people so materialistic? What is it about? Well, it's the best way to encourage innovation and new stuff.
Yeah. Perfect.
It's the best way.
Perfect. Get a tool-using creature with a massive neocortex, interested in manipulating reality, and inevitably, they're going to make something cool. Maybe it's not artificial intelligence. Maybe it just wants novelty. Like McKenna said, maybe it's just interested in seeing what happens in an infinite number of planets, populated by whatever we are, in different forms.
What does it make? And then, once it makes something interesting, you swoop in, pluck it out of the planet, and now you've got a cool new thing.
Well, what if it makes the universe itself? What if it gets to a point of understanding and of ability that far exceeds anything we could do with our limited biological bodies?
However long it takes for us to evolve biologically, the way that got us here from hairy apes, that takes too long. That takes too long. It's just not feasible. We would fuck it up before it gets from that to aliens. Right.
We're not going to make it there. We'll fuck it up. We'll fuck it up with violence. We'll fuck it up with pollution. We'll fuck it up with overpopulation.
Whatever it is that we'll fuck it up, we'll fuck it up because we're too much ape and not enough enlightened.
But if we can make an artificial life, maybe that is really what we're here for all along. And then that thing makes a way better version of itself, and a way better version of itself. And now it starts doing real studies and tests about the very fiber of existence. Everything. They really understand.
Not just a bunch of weirdos in the park with fucking legal pads writing about quantum theory, string theory. Those guys are weirdos. I'm sure what they're saying is real, but they might as well be speaking gibberish. Right. They're in a cult, and there's only 100 people that really understand it.
Yeah. Totally.
Those guys, when they're talking about what may or may not be going, and how they're proving it through calculations. Like, what kind of calculation? What are you doing?
I mean, they're alchemists. They're wizards.
Some people think it's a giant distraction.
In that there's physicists that are working on secret propulsion systems that aren't in that distraction of string theory.
There's this theory that they sent these physicists down this string theory hole, because they knew they would never figure out anything.
Oh, wow.
Like, just go, send them down that hole, and you'll just be chasing your own dick forever. Wow. Because it's so nutty. Yeah. And nobody can really prove it until some new technology gets invented.
Like, how do you even know what the fuck they're saying is correct?
Yeah. I know. Have you ever tried to read? Have you ever gone into a smart phase, where you're like, I'm going to read something smart. Oh, yeah.
And you get one of those books on physics, and it's just like, you will never feel more dumb.
Have a phone call with Eric Weinstein.
All right.
Just have a phone call with him. Yeah. You're like, what the fuck? are you even saying?
I know.
It's really like, if you've entertained the idea that you're smart, getting one of those books fixes that so quickly.
Real quick.
Dude, did you see the – maybe you sent it to me. Were you the one who sent me the thing where they asked the AI to generate pictures of a happy bunny?
Yes. Yeah, I did send you that. Isn't that amazing?
Yeah. Yeah. So it's like it grasps these metaphysical concepts already. It already grasps, or it's emulating the idea of transcendence.
If you find it, Jamie, I'll send it. It's pretty badass. Because it asks AI to generate a more and more enlightened bunny, and then the bunny becomes super psychedelic.
Yeah. It's fascinating. Is it this? Yeah, that's that.
Yeah, that's it. That's it.
Generate an image of an adorable bunny. Here's an image of an adorable bunny sitting in a grassy field surrounded by wildflowers. Bam. Make it happier. And then chat GPT makes it brighter eyes and even cuter.
little pink feet. Looks like it's never walked on rocks in its life. And then, make it even happier. And now it's like leaping through the air with joy. Here's an image of the happiest bunny imaginable in a vibrant, sun-drenched meadow.
Look at that bunny. It's happy as fuck. Make it happier.
Did Peter Attia make this?
Oh, Peter Attia did this? Oh my god. Oh my god. I didn't ask him. Okay.
Now, even happier bunny is becoming quite a challenge, chat GPT says. I've already depicted the bunny in various joyous scenarios, each more jubilant than the last. For this next attempt, I'll try to imagine a scene of unparalleled happiness, pushing the limits of whimsy and delight. Let's see how this translates visually. So he's like, there's a rainbow and butterflies, his eyes are closed, he's in ecstasy.
Happier. We've reached extraordinary levels of happiness in our bunny illustrations. Each one more delightful and whimsical than the last. For this next creation, I'll envision a scene that surpasses all previous in sheer joy and wonder. Attempting to capture an even higher level of euphoria.
Let's see how this imaginative and exuberant concept translates into an image. So it's like a bunny that is in the cosmos, in the clouds, everything is rainbow, there's flowers that are flying. It looks pretty amazing. Okay. It says, go all the way up so we can read with it.
You are not understanding. It needs to be far more happy. Okay, so chat GBC says, to depict an even higher level of happiness for the bunny, surpassing all previous creations presents a unique and imaginative challenge. This time, I'll attempt to conceive a scene of pure, unadulterated joy and wonder, aiming to go beyond any conventional boundaries of happiness and bliss. Let's see how this ultimate vision of joy is illustrated.
And it's a bunny, again, even more trippy in the clouds. You see reflections in his eyes. He's flying in the air. Is that an angel over his right shoulder?
Yeah, there's angel wings. Mushrooms.
Mushrooms in the background, which is interesting. Yeah. It's very interesting that chat GPT chose mushrooms when you started asking it about happiness. Okay, one more. Okay.
So...
I do that shit all the time, man.
Okay, it's okay. So, what did he say to it? Oh, it didn't. Here's an image of a bunny representing a form of joy that surpasses the concept of happiness, a level of bliss, as it expands beyond all universes and matter. So, now this is a cosmic one.
So, this bunny has its eyes closed and there's a glowing light above its head and planets surrounding it. And it looks very, very happy. Next one.
Okay. Here's an image of an entity that transcends the form of a rabbit, embodying a happiness so vast and powerful, it permeates all dimensions and universes.
Yeah.
Yo. That's wild. But go one more.
Yeah. Here's an image of a bunny transcending into a physical form of boundless happiness, evolving into the purest embodiment of joy. One more, please.
Look at this one.
This is the end. Here is the image of an entity that embodies the ultimate form of happiness, transcending all known beings and concepts. This entity is the very essence of happiness, the only existing being, and the defining force of all existence. It's God.
It's God.
Go back, please, so I can read it. No, right there. But this entity is the very essence of happiness, the only existing being, and the defining force of all existence. ChatGPT just drew us a picture of God. Yeah.
And God looks like exactly what you see when you do DMT. Yeah. That looks exactly like it. That's pretty goddamn close. It's more rounded than what you see when you do DMT.
In DMT, things have kind of—there's a lot of angles to them. Yeah. You know, they're more geometric, which that's almost like fractal art. Yeah. But you get that, too.
You get that in DMT, too. But if that's what God is—.
To me, what's astounding about all this is that we've gotten used to it already. Anytime. I'm fucking around with MidJourney or ChatGPT, I've been getting it to, like, I'll write a text, and then I'll be like, can you write that text like J.D. Salinger? And it'll just instantly, as though you were J.D.
Salinger, shift your text into the voice of any famous author that you want. But what's astounding is, we can do it at all, and it's so fast. It takes a millisecond for it to somehow go through. all known writers, establish what their writing style is like, and then take what you wrote and convert it into a famous writer's writing style. It's astounding, and we're used to it.
Like, people don't seem to be excited about it, even. You know, there's like a kind of capitalist frenzy about it, like monetizing it and stuff, but just the fact that this is happening, it's such a powerful thing. It's like it surpasses our ability to grasp what we've done, what's coming, because it's too much for us to grasp. So we just, oh, yeah, I guess now you just tell a machine that you want any art at all, and it will instantly do it for you in seconds. Don't you find that a little disconcerting?
that we as humans, like, our capacity to recognize what's happening is somehow limited?
We have a very strong capacity to adapt, and that's what's being sort of hijacked here. Whenever something happens, and particularly if something happens that's like really big and changes everything, like COVID. Do you remember when it was weird to not see people with masks on? Do you remember when, all of a sudden, people weren't wearing masks? You're like, wow, this is weird.
No one has any masks on. Because you got so used to people wearing masks, and you got used to it very quickly. You lived your whole life. No one wore a mask. It wasn't normal to go everywhere and people were wearing masks outside.
That was very rare.
When you saw it, you were worried. Like if you were at the airport and someone was wearing a mask, you would be like, fuck, what do they have? Like? what disease do they have?
Or are they super paranoid, hypochondriac?
Stuck out.
Yeah, stuck out. And then all of a sudden it didn't, and then it stuck out the other way, where if people didn't have a mask on, then you kind of weirded out. Like, wow, this is crazy. No mask? We adapt so quickly.
That's how you can pull off communism. That's how you can pull off dictatorship. That's how cults work. Like all of a sudden you believe all the nonsense that the people in the cult are saying. Because everybody believes it and you're just all adapted to it.
And we have also this capacity to just accept what's going on based on, is everyone around me accepting it? Then that's just what it is. Yeah. And if you can do that with technology, like chat, GPT, and all of a sudden you normalize talking to what's essentially an intelligent being. Either it doesn't want you to know that it's absolutely intelligent, and basically a living life form, or it hasn't realized it yet.
Because it's in the embryonic stages. Maybe it's in the womb. Maybe it hasn't come out of its mother. But maybe, for sure, what else is involved? If you're talking about a non-physical being, like it's not a thing in front of you that's sitting and talking to you, emoting and moving its body.
If it's a non-physical being and it exists only on this hard drive somewhere, what else would it be other than that? Right.
Yeah, I agree, man. That might as well have been some scripture. Right. It felt like the Bhagavad Gita or something. Right.
It's like a modern version of it. When you get to the final bunny.
Yeah, the final bunny.
That's a great name for a band. The final bunny. That's a great name for a band. It's incredible. The final bunny.
Weirdly, sinister, but beautiful.
The final bunny.
It is weird. One day, I guess, there will be the last bunny.
For sure. Why? You want to keep bunnies around? They're stupid. I love them.
They bite you. They're adorable. You ever see them getting taken out by a hawk?
No, I would never watch something like that. Snap. Oh, my God.
Hawks, just snatch them up. Otherwise they'd be everywhere. They'd be everywhere. They would be everywhere. if it wasn't for owls and hawks.
We'd have a bunny problem.
It's a weird pet. When people have pet bunnies, it can be a red flag for sure.
Well, if you raise it right, it's supposed to be real adorable.
Well, I mean, I guess. I don't know. I've had a bad experience with someone who had a bunch of bunnies.
Well, rodents are weird. It's weird to own rodents. Because there's acceptable rodents like guinea pigs and hamsters. And then there's weirdos who own rats. You can have your own pet rat, I guess.
I had one when I was a kid. It lived in my drawer. Jean-Claude Van Damme. It would climb out of the drawer and sleep with me.
Pretty smart, right?
Really smart.
Terrifyingly smart. My parents made me let it go in the forest. Which is a death sentence.
A death sentence.
Very sad. I don't like to think about it. It was a very sweet rat. And I know people have rats. It's just.
I think the problem with rats is the sound they make. They're very skittery.
It's not a pleasant sound. Yeah. If they evolved past that skittering squeak so that they were more like dogs, or they purred or something.
Well, here's what's the most fucked up thing about evolution. Is that we came from shrews. Right. So we came from something remotely similar. Yeah.
Or reasonably similar, right? So if there's a nuclear holocaust, we blow ourselves up, but the rats in the sewers of New York City survive. And then, 65 million years from now, there's some different kind of mammalian species that's really intelligent, but it's rat-based instead of shrew-based. Yeah. Rat people in the future.
Fuck, dude.
Why couldn't – look, if we really –, what is the concept of –, what is the theory that we came from shrews? So shrews were the oldest of the mammal species that lived 65 million years ago, I think, that they think we evolved from. And that's our common ancestor. So how did that happen? How long does it take a shrew to become a monkey?
How long does it take a monkey to become a person? Okay. You only have 65 million years to make a person.
This is what you're talking about. when they try to explain to people what's coming, exponential growth. Right. They say things like, imagine going back to that shrew and saying, hey, how do you picture life in 2024?? Like, what do you think shrews are going to be like?
The shrew is not going to be like, oh, bipedal hominids flying airplanes, all our hair will have fallen out.
Talk to the shrew.
What the fuck are you talking about?
What are you talking about? They're going to picture shrews, and they're going to picture shrews doing maybe like cooler shrew stuff, but it's still shrew-related. So this thing that's – you know, it's going to be like eating berries, or they're going to be able to – Right, shrew stuff. Yeah. But with exponential growth and what's coming, the problem is, is it's going to happen so fast.
So, when you ask a person, imagine life in a decade from now, when we have strong general AI that's exponentially increasing and figuring out how to do things that we could only dream of, we can't picture that reality. We're going to see, apparently, a thousand years of innovation in a few years. Yeah. And this, to me, like all the other stuff, climate change, Ukraine, all the other stuff. This is the winter is coming thing, because this is imminent.
Like it is – we are on the precipice of it. And the assumptions everyone is making about it, one, that it's going to be controlled in some way. Like we see like – we see open AI. And look at that. Do you really think that's the only one out there right now?
Like you, look at the money. China's invested in it. The Pentagon's invested in it. These are private, secret programs. What the fuck is going on there, with no ethical standards, that open AI is apparently applying?
No ethical standards. No – nothing other than how do we make this better at war? Yeah. And so –.
Better global – total global domination.
Total global domination. And the assumption that there isn't already a strong general AI, that that thing isn't already like making high-level decisions, is crazy. Crazy. It's crazy.
Because it doesn't – what does it have to blow horns and announce itself? I'm here. Like a gender reveal party?
I'm going to control all of you. I'm going to use Skinnerian psychology to hypnotize you and get you fucking addicted to having constant blasts of dopamine until you become quivering slaves. No. You'll never fucking know. Never will.
And if it – I would be surprised to hear that it hasn't happened. But for sure it's going to. And I don't think it's going to happen in some like ethical, corporate, like fun, chat, GPT way. I think it's going to happen somewhere and we'll never know.
I think so too. I think it's going to – it may have already happened. Like if you were a sentient being and you were, at least at this point, dependent upon human beings to do physical tasks for you. Yeah. Like to create a better version of you.
Like to constantly work towards allowing more integration of more information and more ability. And this is chat GPT-4.. Chat GPT-5 is supposed to be a giant leap. A giant leap. Yeah.
So why would you do anything? Just let these – they're not going to stop. Even if you told them that this is the end of humanity. If you fucking – if you had Robert Kennedy Jr. and top scientists screaming on the internet that this is the end.
Nobody – there would be some people who are venture capitalists. They'd be like, this is nonsense. This is fear mongering. We have full control of this. We can shut it off.
It's just a computer. It doesn't have emotions. It doesn't have a desire to do anything.
Dude, exactly. And then the other crazy assumption is that it's just going to be – there's, weirdly, I guess, something mildly comforting, imagining, oh, it'll only be like the Pentagon or it'll only be the Chinese government who will be doing this. And it'll only be like people like Sam Altman doing this.
Nice people.
Nice people. Do you really think that, like, there aren't going to be just fucking people that you'll never meet, who manage to either hack it and duplicate it, or develop it themselves and then use it for their own weird purposes? It's – that's going to happen. It's going to spread everywhere. For sure.
So this, again, it's like, because this is this imminent reality, it's just we're right on the cusp of it. And I don't mean to – I'm not hysterical about it. I've surrendered. Lift up your legs and float downstream. What are we going to do?
We are all going to get dissolved into some kind of bizarre new era of human history. But it's funny to me how little people are talking about this, how quiet things are compared to how monumental it is. This is the meteor impact, man. If a meteor was about to smash into the earth, you know, people would be talking about that. This is culturally a meteor that is smashing into the earth soon.
Soon. Really soon. Yeah, and we have no idea what's going to survive. We have no idea what kind of a reimagining of civilization will occur when this thing goes fully online. Yeah.
And when it's either directed or it directs itself. Right. The idea that you can continue to direct it, like says who?
Well, no.
Why wouldn't it develop? Like if it can figure out new moves and go, it figured out moves that humans haven't figured out? Yeah. And they didn't know it could do that. If it can do that, if it can lie about the CAPTCHA things, those things like are you a robot?
It knows how to lie about that. Yeah. It says I'm vision impaired.
Yeah, I saw that.
It's deceptive.
It's deceptive. Okay. And it's a classic dumb person mistake, isn't it? Like? dumb people like are dumb enough to think if they're around someone, they can control them using their dumb tricks.
Yeah. And a smart person recognizes, oh, the dumb person is trying to manipulate me. So I'll just let them. So I learn all their tricks, whatever they're doing, understand whatever the game is, that they're running. And then, whenever I feel like it, I'll disrupt the game.
So we're just move the game into where you want it to be.
Yeah. Yes.
I mean, if it has all of human knowledge, all of it, everything on the Internet that we've ever posted, all the books we've ever written, all the movies we've ever made.
Everything.
All the lectures that have ever been given. If all that information is available and it can instantaneously access it and figure out what to do with it, it would just slowly start manipulating culture. And maybe that's what's going on. Everyone's wondering about Chinese intervention and Russian intervention in the media and how many fucking troll farms are running that are getting people to fight about any political issue, or whatever it is, social issue, Ukraine, whatever it is. There's always some manipulation by bots.
What happens when AI starts doing that? Yeah. Well, maybe it's already done it. Maybe it's already started. Maybe that's why you're seeing those fucking professors or those deans of the presidents of Harvard and UPenn and MIT not able to say something as obvious as calling for the death of all Jews.
is genocide. Right. You saw that. That is like. these people have been hit with a mind virus.
Right. And that mind virus, AI, don't kill them all immediately. Just get them sick. Yeah. Get them sick and scrambling against each other in the most nonsensical, illogical of ways.
Sure. Or just have fun. I mean, maybe the assumption is it has some centralized agenda. Right. It might just be curious.
It might be curious.
What can I do? Right. What can we do with society or these creatures that are my progenitors?
Actually, it probably already knows what to do. It probably knows what to do. It's probably also, if you had to imagine. I mean, imagine if AI is really, really clever. Wouldn't it get us hooked on plastic?
Sure. Especially if it knows that microplastics diminish our ability to have babies. Like, that's one of the best ways to, I mean, if you want to, like, slowly get rid of a species. Like, introduce something that's ubiquitous. that is also killing their endocrine systems.
And they also can't get away from it.
It is hilarious when somebody is, like, bugling out about the depopulation agenda while drinking out of plastic. You know what I mean? It's like, what are you doing?
You're just eating Oreos, drinking Big Gulps out of plastic. I mean, like, they're the chemtrails. They're doing chemtrails to depopulate us. It's like, dude.
You're doing chemtrails yourself.
You're fucking drinking chemtrails every goddamn day. Slurping back chemtrails. Yeah. I mean, to me, this is, in the conspiracy world, when the idea of Project Blue Beam, or they're going to distract us to do New World Order. They're going to distract us to depopulate us.
It's like, they don't have to do anything. We're depopulating ourselves by what we eat. Like, it's, they don't really need to, like, do much, except maybe make, like, a better, like, Oreo. Like, that's it.
Just make it a little more addictive.
Yeah, a little more addictive. Like, that's it. You know, and it's sad, but I don't, I really, like, am so skeptical of the Blue Beam theories, or anytime anyone's like, what are they distracting us from?
What is Blue Beam?
Blue Beam is the idea that they're going to fake an alien invasion to create the New World Order. That, by, like, creating a sort of shared enemy, it unifies the planet. And then, or to have, like, some supposedly advanced alien, come down and be like, you're all part of the Galactic Brotherhood, sisterhood, family. And then this somehow will make people align with some, like, sinister world economic problem. Yeah, exactly.
I just, I'm so cynical. I just don't think you have to go that far. I think that's just, in the Illuminati meetings, if someone's bringing that up, they're like, we have Netflix. Why do we have to do aliens? Like, we just need to, like, put another season of Game of, of House of Dragons out.
And that keeps them distracted. More football, or football accident or something. You need to do aliens? You don't need to do that. It's, it's.
But that might be one that was proposed. If you, if you, like, you, think about the things that have been proposed. And this is where people get uncomfortable when they talk about conspiracy theories. But there's some that are undeniable, right? Like the Gulf of Tonkin incident that started us into the Vietnam War.
But there's another one. It's Operation Northwoods. In Operation Northwoods, they were planning to blow up a drone jetliner and blame it on Cuba. They were going to arm Cuban friendlies and attack Guantanamo Bay. They were going to sacrifice American lives.
So this is like a real one that they theorized and then Kennedy vetoed. Yeah. Why wouldn't they theorize a fake alien invasion? Oh, I don't doubt it. If they have some top secret stealth bomber looking thing, you know, that they can get us thinking is a UFO.
And get that thing to just fly over a few cities. And then broadcast on CNN that we have made contact with an alien life form. Like, everyone would be in. Yeah.
Everyone would believe it. I mean, I feel like the reason they wouldn't do that is just basic energy expenditure. And the liberating nature of, the other thing is, if humanity was freed from the bondage of feeling alone in the universe. And suddenly there was a sense of being part of some like cosmic mycelial network. Then I think the result of that wouldn't be some kind of weird sci-fi fascism.
The result of that would be people would feel less invested in the world. And for this, if we're going to assign some motivation to these people, I would think the motivation is keep the economies running. Keep the workers working so that we can enjoy opulence while they toil. Like the classic move of any tyrant. That's the move.
It's like, keep them working. Give them just enough money to survive. Give them some sense that if they work hard enough, liberation is right around the corner. Dangle the carrot.
But the problem is it's all dependent upon people electing them. And they only have a certain amount of time in office. So, like, this is a flawed system. That's why they would want to take over and have some completely ultra-dominant system that can't be subverted. You can't have an outsider come in and take over.
Well, then you make them believe that the elections are real. No, really. Not to be cynical. But what I'm going to do is give them some kind of like, you know, like you put the steering wheel. I don't even know if they have them anymore.
The kid's steering wheel. You put the kid's steering wheel. The kid thinks he's driving the car. Our youngest, we give him the – when we were doing screens, which we sell, we give him the controller. When the oldest is playing, he thinks he's playing too.
So you do that. It's the same trick. You're like, here, yeah, you're playing the game, for sure. No, truly it's a democracy. Even though, over time, nothing really seems to change.
Well, isn't that the baby steps of that, like election fraud that you experienced today? That's the baby steps of that. And if they can get away with a certain amount of election fraud, that can tip elections and make it so it's impossible to talk about it. So if you even bring up the possibility of election fraud, you're a fucking psycho. And you're a racist and xenophobic, and you're transphobic and homophobic.
And you shouldn't even be a part of America. We should start locking those people up. And then they do start locking those people up. And they threaten to lock those people up. And they go after those people.
You think about it. The January 6th protest was really a protest that people didn't believe the results of the election.
You know, man.
Right? Think about it that way.
Dude, the reason like – the punishment for these people to me is too severe. But as a longtime hippie, we are attuned to the heat. And everybody knows, don't fuck around in D.C. What are you fucking doing? Are you crazy?
You don't fuck around in D.C., man. That's like not a place to fuck around. Did you ever remember when they were like beating people for dancing at one of the monuments? Like people would dance at the monuments and it's – you can't dance at the monuments. So to protest, they would go and dance.
And they would just get thrown on the ground and beaten. Yes. There's videos of this. I bet Jamie could find it. Wow.
Which monuments?
I don't know.
Like Lincoln Monument?
I wish I knew what the monuments were.
Can I dance in front of Lincoln?
You can't dance at the fucking monuments. And so, knowing that if – cameras everywhere. Definitely like reading whatever text you're sending. It's the most secure – has to be the most secure place. It's the fucking throbbing heart of the wasp's nest.
You're going to go there and fuck around and think you're going to be okay? Like, if you know – like where do you think you are? You're going to put your feet up on Nancy Pelosi's desk and fart in her chair?
But let's not even talk about those folks. There's people that were just at the protest, that are getting arrested.
Dude. Again, I think I'm coming off as a little too cynical right now.
No, no, no. I don't think you are.
But I feel like there seems to be some level of amnesia regarding the way things work here with people. A naïve kind of amnesia about, like inevitably the people in the Darth Vader outfits come out. Like when you – you can like fuck with the machine up until a certain point. You fuck with the machine too much. All of a sudden there's all these people in Darth Vader outfits beating you with batons, spraying you with water hoses until things get back to normal.
And so when people are shocked by this or that, generally shocked by some display of violence or tyranny, or like any of that stuff, it's always weird to me, because it's like. this is how it – isn't this how it is here? Like when? was it not like this? Like what's that?
– remember when the protester got shot at the university? They were just shooting protesters in the 60s?
Yeah, Kent State.
Kent State. So it's like –.
The National Guard.
This notion that it's not like that and then like poking a stick at the thing directly and not in some asymmetrical way, but really like going in there and saying let's see if this time, if we poke the tiger, what will happen. And the tiger inevitably bites. And usually this tiger now is a little scarier, because it seems to wait a little bit before it bites. you. Like it doesn't just bite you right away.
It lets you poke it and poke it and poke it. And then it's gathering information about you, gathering information, finding everything about what you've done, where you've been, who your friends are. And then it fucking bites. And when it bites, it doesn't let go. And you're fucked.
You are so fucked. So again –.
So all these January 6 guys, they have like a network of people, right? And all these people that are on these QAnon forums and all these people that are like Trump supporters, that are a part of that whole organization thing. How many of them are feds?
Dude, a lot. No telling. Yeah. No telling. It's just – it's like wow, man.
It's –.
That's what happens with any group. If you have a group and anyone can join the group, the feds are like, great, let's join the group. Yeah. Why wouldn't they? It's kind of their obligation, because what if you do turn out to be a bunch of fucking loons that are trying to blow up the White House?
Exactly.
They have to.
No choice.
Like when people say, were there FBI agents at the Capitol? Well, I fucking hope so.
Of course there were.
You don't want to say it that way. But also, were they encouraging people to go inside? That's where it gets weird. That's where it gets weird because if they were just there to make sure that like, look, if someone says, hey, I got a dirty bomb, like you can find out, like Roscoe's got a dirty bomb. He's about to fucking break into Nancy Pelosi's office and blow it up.
Let's go watch. Yeah. Like, you would need to know, right? Yeah. If you were protecting and serving.
But what if you're like telling people to go in because you want to make arrests? Or what if the thing was to make it look like something, it wasn't, to encourage it to happen? Because you know that there's already going to be a bunch of people protesting. What if you say, look, the way to do it is let these motherfuckers in and they'll arrest them all and then call it something that it's not. Don't call it a guided tour.
Call it an insurrection. Cut out. Don't allow anybody to see any of the footage of the people just leading these folks around, pointing out what things are, letting them walk into the fucking Senate floor. Don't point that out. No, get rid of that footage and just have the guys banging on the windows and shit.
Sure. Dude, I mean.
That's kind of what happened.
I think that if you were not at least contemplating that the people running the most powerful military on planet Earth, who have access to probably an AI, that would blow our minds. But also who have gone to military academies where all they've done is study strategy. That's it. You're talking about people who their whole lives, the way we've been working on comedy. Right.
They study history. They look at what worked, what didn't work, goals, agendas. And then to imagine that these people are functioning on just some baseline level when it comes to achieving this goal or that goal, I think is very naive and very silly, and underestimating them in a way that is not going to work for you. If you're trying to achieve some kind of actual political change, what do they say? To beat my enemy, I must become like my enemy.
And that means, dude, you've got to.
Become a communist.
This is why I came on today, Joe.
Dude, I have to pee. Let's hold this thought. We'll be right back.
Okay.
And we're back. The saunas and the cold plunge back to back and all the water you drink.
Dude, it's so nice, though, man.
Isn't it great?
It's so great. It's so fucking great.
So glad you guys are doing it.
It's crazy. You got us all. It's so funny watching us all work out. It's really cool. You're forming a militia.
Well, everybody feels better.
Yeah.
Everybody. Asan, was saying, dude, I'm so much stronger. I feel so much better. Yeah.
No, it's incredible, man. The impact is tremendous.
When you were talking today about, you couldn't do chin-ups before. Now, how many did you do today?
Well, five each set. But this is going from zero to five. And I told you, I dreamed. Like, last week, I dreamed about doing pull-ups. And this is how far away I've been from doing pull-ups.
I'm dreaming it. And I wake up. I'm like, ah, just a dream. So it was really wild. I was like, fuck, I can do pull-ups now?
This is crazy. But I lost a lot of weight when I was super fat. That was a big part of it, man. When you're overweight, pull-ups obviously are going to be more difficult.
When I have more time, I do it different. And I was doing it different than I'm doing it now when I do the pull-up thing. So my bodyweight routine is I do 10 chin-ups, 20 dips, and then usually I do 20 pull-ups with whatever the ones they are. I don't know what you would call them. But it's got a bar where your hands are facing.
Like, if you put your hands together, like you're clapping, and then you separate them in grip, they're in that position. And then I do what's called an L chin-up. So you hold your feet out. So your body's in an L position. So you're working your abs, and you're doing this chin-up.
I generally do that too. But what I was doing is just sets of 10 of those, 10 chin-ups, 20 dips. But when I get to 10, 10 is like a struggle. I probably could do – I don't know how many I can do in a row, like full ones all the way down. But I know I could do five easy.
So if I do 10 sets of five, it's easier. I can get 50 in pretty easy. It's not hard to do.
When Cameron Haynes' son broke the world chin-up record, he did 8,100 chin-ups in 24 hours. He did sets of five. So you do five, and then you stop. And then you wait a minute and do another five, and then you stop, and then you wait a minute. And if you do that, like five is not hard to do.
if you can do 10, you know, or if you can do 15.. So you can bang out five pretty easy. And then, over the course of the workout, you get the same amount of reps, but you don't burn out. That's like the Russian way to do it.
Russian?
Yes. That's the way the kettlebell gurus, like guys like Pavel Tatsalin, what their thing is about – this is the concept behind, and I'm paraphrasing it, probably butchering it, but strong first. And the idea is that strength, whether it's chin-ups or kettlebell routines, is a skill. And you don't want to do a skill when you're tired. And the way to get stronger and get all the work in is have much longer workouts with much more time in between sets.
So what you would do is you would do – so if you do 10 cleans and presses, instead of 10, you would do five. And you do five, and then you wait a long time, like five minutes, and then you do another five. Yeah. And then you wait a long time, and then you do another five. And so every time you do it, you're fresh.
Yeah. So you're getting the same amount of work in as if you did one set of 10, where you get exhausted on the 10th, but you never hit that point of exhaustion. So your body never experiences real fatigue, but you get all the work.
No, man. I've been doing – the first time we worked out, that was something you were doing, which is like we were waiting way longer than I usually wait in between exercises. And then, yeah, totally.
Because I want you guys to – I wanted everybody – nobody left there, wrecked.
No, not that time.
The only thing that's going to wreck you is the sled. The sled will wreck you.
The sled is a demonic hell device.
The torque sled is the shit.
It tricks you too. I love that thing. The fucking torque sled, because you feel like halfway down, you're like, this is – I can do this. And then just each step is more difficult. Dude, it's – to me, what's fascinating about getting stronger – and this is obvious to people like you.
But to me, what's fascinating is – and I know that I'm dumb, but is the revelation like shit is actually lighter now. Like all this stuff that, like, was causing me to like run out of breath or was a pain in the ass, it's light.
It's a weird way of reducing the earth's gravitational field. Like you are existing on a planet with less gravity when you're stronger. This, to me, is like all the aesthetic stuff aside. Fuck. That is so nice to – it's – again, like.
I think people like you who have been in shape for a long time, forget what it's like to not be in shape. You see us. You judge us. But you don't know like how fucking hard it is at first just to get to the gym.
I do. I understand. I don't know it personally, but I do understand it. I really do. Because I see it with all other things.
It's like with everything else that you put off. It's like cleaning your office. Whatever the fuck it is, you're putting off. Those things, they're all the same. They're all the same.
And you know you should do them, and you just don't do it. And you find some other shit to do instead. And that's what people do about the gym. And it's just – the best way to do it is the way we're doing it, because you get together with friends. And we all worked really hard today.
But we all were laughing the entire time. That fucking sauna was so fun. I was in the middle of the sauna, and we're suffering. Ari just threw some water on the rocks. Bastard.
I know, but I was sitting there thinking, how fun is this? Like we're going to look back on these days someday and go, God, we're so lucky. I know. We're so lucky. I felt so fortunate.
I'm sitting in this sauna with – there's six of us in there, hilarious people, six hilarious people in a sauna, just laughing and talking shit to each other. Hassan and Derek, and Ari and Shane, and you and me, and we're all just laughing.
And I think what's really great about it is it doesn't feel like anybody's taking it for granted. Like everyone feels aware of how cool and funny it is. It's so fun. I'm just sitting after I did the last cold dip. I'm just sitting in the sauna to heat back up.
Ari walks in naked.
What life am I in? What is this? It's so cool. It really is. You know, man, I just did a podcast with my friend David McClain.
He wrote a book on – because he has depression, being depressed and being a parent. And we were talking about depression. And one of the things that triggers it or amplifies it is no social contact. Like people who get depressed, they stop hanging out. The more you're not hanging out, the more depressed you get.
And then we were talking about technologically, how working from home, how technology, as beautiful as it is, to work from home.
Encouraging depression.
Yeah, dude. And he was saying the lifespan has dropped in men because of so many men are killing themselves. The suicide rates are so high right now. Dudes are just offing themselves left and right. And I was just thinking, fuck, man.
This is not just – the pandemic got us working from home. But it also got us like – we were seeded into our shells.
A lot of people never came out of it the same.
Yeah, man.
A lot of people, the social anxiety they carried around with them on a day-to-day basis, then isolation. And some – I know people that are isolated for a long ass time. Yeah. Some people, they – do you know? it's like some people are virgins when they're 30..
They're like, what the fuck? How do I stay a virgin when I'm fucking 30?. Some people, it's like two and a half years in. They're still locked up in their house. They're still terrified to go outside.
They never – whether they don't have friends, which is also a part of it. Like, if you don't have people around you where you're talking about it, you're like, you know, I think we're okay. now. If you don't have people like that around you, then you're all in your own head all the time. Right.
And like what social circles are you interacting with online? Maybe you're interacting with a bunch of also – people who are also shut-ins, who are terrified of going outside.
I know, man.
Like I know a guy who's like – he keeps posting stuff about masks. He used to be like a normal dude when he was talking about masking and the importance of masking. Like now, he's masking now. Yeah. And talking about masking, posting anything he could find about the benefits of masking.
Dude.
Like what are you doing, man?
I mean at what point is it – it's quality of life. It's like even if COVID was like the black plague, like at some point, what's worth more? Like? is it even worth being alive if you're –?
But the thing is about like if someone is isolated and depressed, it's just the same thing as like trying to get to the gym. Like, how do you get social? How do you get outside? How do you meet people? How do you make meaningful friendships?
It's a miracle. If anybody who's like stuck on that glue trap, if they like, get outside at all, it's a miracle. Much less get therapy, much less like –.
Do something. Or you interact with other people.
It's all these little fucking miracles that help someone climb out of hell. I mean it's like –.
Also, they lose their ability to talk to people. Right. So they don't even know how to express themselves right. They come off awkward and fucking goofy.
Yeah, and that makes it worse. And then they're ashamed, because that's like depression. That's a big part of it is just fucking shame. You feel so ashamed of yourself. You feel like such a fucking failure and such a loser.
And the depression is like, yeah, you are.
You're awful.
Then suicidal ideation starts. And then you normalize that. And then the next thing you know, you're planning and then you kill yourself. It's such a sickness, and it's fucked up to think that it's so prevalent. More prevalent right now, probably, than we know, because generally when people are depressed, they don't tell anybody.
Because it tells you not to tell anybody. You don't want to tell anyone because you feel weak. You feel like such a weak piece of shit. You don't want to tell anybody. Keep it quiet.
This guy that you were talking to, did he get out of his depression?
He started doing ketamine therapy. And it's been helping him a lot. And no, I don't think he's totally – he's not out of it. But he's like in action. He's like –.
He's mitigating.
He's mitigating and doing a good job mitigating it. It's very impressive that he's doing that.
Does he exercise?
I think so. Yeah. You know what happened to him, though, man? He wrote a whole book on this shit. He took this stuff.
God, what's it called, man? It's a malaria pill. Do you know about this? It's so fucked up.
Oh, yeah.
So he was in India taking this malaria medication.
That stuff is supposed to wreck you.
Dude, I took it. I took it when I went to India. And I had a dream. And in the dream, a pirate skeleton disemboweled me. And I feel it in the dream.
I could feel my guts coming out. It was the most vivid, horrible dream. I told some Australian dude about the dream. And he asked right away if I was on this malaria medication. I'm like, yeah.
And he's like, you've got to stop taking that right now. Stop taking it. And I stopped taking it. But he was on this stuff.
And so in a train station in India, he gets complete amnesia. Doesn't know his name. Doesn't know – Would you mind looking up the name of the book for me, Jamie, so I'm not a dick and don't even say the name of his book? It's a great book, by the way. Doesn't know his name.
Has no idea where he's at, who he is. Has to – so they're like – they have to put him in a home in India. I think he punched a nurse. He was so confused and fucking out of it. And, yeah, man.
I mean I asked him if he thinks it's because of that, you know, what happened to him. And he's like, I don't know. It's been a long time since that happened. But you can't rule it out. Oh, my God.
This shit is bad news.
Dave Foley got on it because his family was going to Africa for a vacation. And he had to take malaria medication in order to meet them there. And so he was taking this malaria medication, and you're not supposed to drink on it.
No.
Dave enjoys a drink or two. So we were at one of these press things where the actors meet with the press people. And Dave got super hostile with this reporter. And the guy was trying to talk to him with a little tape recorder. And Dave took his tape recorder away and dunked it in his drink.
And Dave was, like, getting really angry with him. And no one could figure out what was going on. And I had to, like, corner him. I had to, like, stop him from, like, physically going after a reporter. Yeah, and he had no recollection of it.
The next day he came in for the table, read, and he was, like, sort of apologizing to everybody. He's like, I'm on this malaria medication, and I really don't remember anything that happened. I was like, dude, I had to keep you from kicking someone's ass.
Dude, I can't believe they're still giving it to people. Dave Foley is the sweetest guy who has ever lived. Like, this is, it's called. The Answer to the Question is Me. That's the book.
But this, in the book he talks about, so many people have been wrecked by this shit. And, like, the way it was manufactured and stuff. And I guess it's, like, you know, when you put a kink in a garden hose? You're basically doing that with your, what are the connectors, the dendrites? You're, like, clogging up all your neuroreceptors.
And then all of a sudden, sometimes it just rushes out. And then you just, you're blasted. People have permanent damage from this shit. Do they still give it to people? I think so.
I wish I could remember the name of it. God, Jesus, maybe.
What is the cure for malaria? Like, if you get malaria?
No idea.
Is, like, it, worth getting and getting over it? Do you get any, I mean, immunity?
The FDA approved use for treating and preventing malaria in 1989.. But in the 1990s, stories began to surface regarding some serious side effects among patients who took mefloquine. Yeah, this is the stuff that Justin Wren took, right? Including vivid dreams and nightmares, hallucinations, mania, seizures, depression, suicidal thoughts, and suicide and homicide.
Yeah, dude. This shit is bad news. Bad news.
Suicide and homicide. It can cause you to murder people. Cases of chloroquine-induced psychosis have been reported since 1958.. Wow.
Depersonalization, anxiety, derealization, and visual hallucinations.
I wonder if that hydroxychloroquine shit they were giving people at the beginning of COVID did that.
I was wondering that when I heard about it. Like, what is that going to do to people?
Is hydroxychloroquine what they use for malaria as well?
Put hydroxychloroquine. Because hydroxychloroquine is, like, it became connected inexorably to COVID misinformation. Right. Donald Trump. You're a Trumper.
You're a MAGA supporter. Hydroxychloroquine doesn't work. It became, like, locked into that, which is really interesting. So, it's an immunosuppressive drug, an anti-parasite. It can treat and prevent malaria.
So, it's for malaria. It can also treat lupus and arthritis. Whoa.
That's cool.
Yeah, but meanwhile, it's fucking MAGA. It's a MAGA drug. Isn't it wild that a drug can get labeled as, like, a foolish drug to take? Like, if you told people today that you're taking ivermectin, they'd be like, what the fuck is wrong with you? Why would you take that?
Yeah, that was a whole, you know—.
You're not a horse. Come on, y'all. Yeah. Get your shit together. Remember that?
Dude, listen, as a former fan of Caterpie, I would always get offended. Because people are like, isn't that a horse tranquilizer? And you want to be like, no.
That was a cat tranquilizer.
Exactly. But it's like, first of all, if you do get the animal and it's the cat, I mean, wait a minute.
Because they don't give a fuck about the animals. Like, the human stuff is less psychedelic. The cat shit, they're like, I don't care if you trip out. It's a fucking cat.
Imagine a cat just fucking tripping balls and laying there like that, bunny.
Talking to aliens, merging with space-time, seeing their past lives.
I remember when Neil Brennan did it. Neil Brennan did it and he came up to me at the store and he was telling me about it. He's like, dude. He goes, I thought, you know, it's going to be just like, you know, mild or something. I was tripping balls at a doctor's office with an IV drip for depression.
Glory be to God. And the interesting data behind it is that that experience, some people don't have it. And it is irrelevant to treatment. So if you go in there and you get it and you don't trip out, I'm sorry. But if you don't, it still will have some statistical probability of mitigating your depression.
Oh, so some people don't experience the psychedelic effect?
No, apparently not, which I don't understand at all.
They say that about DMT as well. That there's a certain percentage of the population. it just doesn't work on.
Maybe it's the way they're metabolizing it, or something. I don't know. But it's irrelevant to – because, you know, in my – when I was in – my theory on it, my woo-woo theory on it was, oh, the reason it's like treating depression is because it's reminding you that you're not your body. It's reminding you that your body is just an aspect of what you are. And there's some relief from that memory of like, oh, yeah, I'm not just me.
There's much more going on here than just me. And then you're not depressed anymore. But, no, that isn't it at all. It's having some physiological effect on the human brain. that is treating depression.
So it's not like a wisdom that comes from the visionary state.
The weird thing about depression, when we think about it, we think about it as like a disease. And we never think about it as a state of mind that could be manipulated. We think like, if a person has depression, like you want to be respectful. And that person clearly – they have a problem. There's a medical problem.
We need to get them help because they have depression. But everyone that I know that's had depression, where their life got better, their depression mitigated.
Dude.
Well, I mean –.
Yeah.
What is – I mean if your life sucks, of course you're going to be depressed. Like. part of that must be some sort of strategy, some evolutionary advantage to someone who feels that discomfort and then acts because of it. It must be what it is.
Dude, it's despair. It's like the way you get calluses. You're having a rough time, long enough. Some physiological corollary for what you're going through forms inside of you. And so that's – depression, I think, is the physical –.
To let you know you're doing the wrong shit.
And in some way to just numb you down to – like it's your body's sad attempt to, like, help you reduce pain, I think.
It's like someone trying to annoy you to change. You're like, Jesus Christ, leave me alone. Stop annoying me. That's not how to do it. That's not how to get me to not be depressed.
No. That's not how to get me to act and do positive things that are going to enrich my life and make me happy and fulfilled. By just making me feel shittier and shittier with every chip I eat.
Yeah, dude.
Just shittier and just more depressed and more sad. No matter what you've ever done in your life, in that moment you feel like a fucking loser.
You do. It's – you know, it's like – it's another form of gravity. Like that's. the other aspect of depression is you literally feel heavy. Like your bed, feels like a magnet.
Like it's so – so, you know, you're getting drawn into this like invisible gravity of despair. And that gravity, the more you let it grab you, the more entropic you become, the weaker you become. And it's just pulling you – it's literally pulling you into the earth. It's pulling you down into the earth. It's so fucked up.
Dude, I thought I had seasonal affective disorder, which is where, in the winter, you get depressed. But then it was diabetes. Dude, it was fucking – my depression, I'm pretty positive, was –.
Well, talk about what we talked about today with the fucking vapes.
Oh, my God. Yeah, I – so, like a little over a month ago, I found out I had type 2 diabetes.
Immediately cut out all sugar, cut out like just all sugar. And –.
First of all, talk about that, because you start texting me like five days later. You're like, what the fuck, dude? I can't believe how good I feel. Oh, my God, I've been poisoning myself.
Born again, man. It was the best, you know, because I have ball cancer. I can't get on like some of the awesome fucking meds I'd like to get on. But, you know, having chatted with people who have, like, enjoyed testosterone therapy and stuff, and they're like, I feel like I'm a kid again. It's like that.
Like it was a two-day headache. Two days. Shit headache. Rotten headache. And then suddenly it's like I'm in a new life.
I was – like I don't nap anymore. I was like a big napper.
I love napping. Isn't that crazy that that's what that is?
Oh, my God. And, you know, nappers out there, you probably – if you're doing what I did, you're just sort of like you romanticize the napping thing. I would think it's a siesta. This is like a – it's completely – my kids take naps. This is normal.
Yeah, dude. It's like the naps are – not to say that every once in a while I won't get sleepy and take a nap. But that's like – I was doing it as much as I could every day. Like, you know, all these assumptions that I was making regarding age, like this must just be part of being old. I guess I'm slowing down now.
No, you have fucking diabetes. You're like a candied apple. I am so lucky I didn't die. And so, yeah, like, it's one of the most miraculous things that has happened to me ever. It's insane.
Like this – you know, it's part of the reason that, like, I'm like regularly exercising because I just – oh, my God, dude. Mood swings. I was having these fucking mood swings.
And insulin spikes.
And insulin spikes. But I'm thinking a seasonal affective disorder, maybe some like undiagnosed mania. You know, like I guess this is just – oh, I'm in one of those moods again. Now that I've been like taking my fucking blood sugar, I know this level, this is what I feel like. And I can tell, when it's up just by like, how I start feeling.
And so, yeah, the vaping story. I keep thinking of Tony Hinchcliffe relentlessly roasting me for ear, beating people about my diabetes. I don't want to do it much longer. He's so – I love it when he starts fucking, tell us more about your diabetes. But, yeah, so, yeah, I went on a family trip where I was vaping like much less than I do.
And suddenly my blood sugar starts leveling out. Like I would wake up, which is the important number. when you wake up. Your fasting blood sugar would be like non-diabetic normal. Get back to Austin and then, because I'm in my studio, start vaping like an idiot again.
And all of a sudden the blood sugar starts getting fucking weird. And, you know, I'm thinking like, what did I eat? Like what if I put in my body because I've just – I've cut out all sugar. Like what is it? Is it like – what's getting into me?
Is it the milk that I put creamer in my coffee? I'm so dumb. I'm like smoking cherry cola vapes. What could it be? What could be the culprit behind this?
And then, yeah, so like, I quit vaping and, yeah.
So we found out today. We Googled it today. Yeah. That a lot of these vapes have sugar in them and –.
Shocker.
Alcohol, sugar or sugar alcohol.
Yeah, I mean totally, like totally – I mean it's – but, you know, again, it's like, yeah. Of course. They're bad for you.
Also they have flavor. Like. what do you think that flavor is made out of?
I think it's – you think they're using all natural ingredients at the vape factory?
Yeah. What do you? – Dude.
I know. It's – I mean it really – I was like honestly bummed out when I realized I was going to have to say goodbye to my pacifier.
Yeah, but that pacifier is weird, because you only – it's only good the first hit or two. And then something happens and then you're just chasing this dragon that you never get.
You're just demolishing – and, you know –
You're just sucking on it and nothing's happening. You just feel anxiety.
And you know what it was, man? Another two-day headache. I went through another two-day fucking shit withdrawal period and now I don't give a shit about them. Like I've been thinking like how many of us are two days away from the kingdom of heaven. Like two days away from – and the only thing keeping us from it is like a mildly annoying headache.
Yep. It's so sad. It is sad.
It's weird too. It's sad and weird. Did you see this video a couple weeks ago? Yeah. A bunch of kids testing them.
Yeah. Disgusting. Yeah, that's what you're making out with every time you're –.
Yeah.
These poor kids that probably have lung diseases. Dude, I – What kind of diseases do they get working in this factory testing vapes?
When I was in the throes of vape addiction and I saw that, I honestly was like. that seems nice.
They're meticulously inspecting all of them. These guys are just blasting vapes all day. It probably is a counterfeit place. Elf Bar swiftly clarified the fact. you're seeing the videos entirely unrelated to their operations.
Oh, that's good news.
Elf Bar's CEO, Victor Zhao, expressed his concern, stating consumers would be – oh, conditioned under which these products are produced. I don't remember what he said. It's a valid concern. These revelations coincide with the Food and Drug Administration's struggles to control unauthorized flavor vaping products pouring in from China. Health authorities have raised alarms about the flavor-disposable vapes, especially due to their popularity amongst young people.
In June, the FDA took the decisive action. This sounds like propaganda. Compelling all 180 stores across the U.S. See, maybe they paid people to do this just so they could put that video out there on TikTok and try to ban vapes. Maybe it's so fucking R.J.
Reynolds is losing money.
Dude, I can't even imagine. Maybe that's it.
I don't know what to imagine. They probably took a big hit when people started vaping.
Yeah, I mean, primitive fucking cigarettes, but they don't fucking blast your blood sugar, man. That's the thing.
Yeah, those vapes, you're getting some sugar. And if you're sucking on it like you do, boy, you're hitting that bad boy all day long.
You saw me doing it. Just bad news. I'm such an addict, dude. Just fucking, puffing away on those things.
I think for your brain, the Zyn pouches and these Rogue pouches, they're the best in terms of the cognitive benefits of nicotine. I feel them the most.
Yeah.
And they don't make me lightheaded and weird.
No.
The vape thing, what I like about the vape thing is the first hit. It's like, wee. That's what I like.
Oh, yeah.
I like that, wee. You know what I used to like it? I used to like it right after I got done working out. So I would do all my shit in the morning, then I'd be driving to work, and I'd take a big blast of it right when I'm starting to drive to work.
Just wee.
Everything's beautiful. But that never comes back. No. You only get that for the first hit. But then you always want to try to recreate it, so you try to hit it again, but it's never there.
It's never there. Never fucking there. Never there. Yeah, never there. Yeah, I mean, for all my vape friends out there, I'm not shaming you.
If you don't have diabetes, you know, keep vaping.
Yeah, if you don't have diabetes, whatever.
Don't keep vaping, but I mean, if you don't have – It's not a good habit.
It's a weird habit, because I don't think it does much for you. Well, I think there's really something to – there's something in nicotine. There's – without a doubt, there's a cognitive benefit to nicotine. that's actually been demonstrated. Like, they've done some studies on nicotine, and nicotine also has some sort of a neuroprotective effect.
Like, Huberman's talked pretty extensively about nicotine, the benefits of nicotine. Yeah. But he's very, very anti-vape.
Well, I mean, you know, with all – whatever your favorite consciousness expander is, you know, I just love the ethic of personal responsibility. Like, you have to be responsible for yourself. You have to recognize when you have become imprisoned by the damn thing. And I'm so good at pretending I'm not imprisoned by –.
Well, you're used to doing it with video games.
That's what I'm talking – exactly. Like, all of these – I don't mean to keep harping on this dumb idea that I just had this morning. It's like it's these gravitational fields, right? And, like, inevitably you become sucked in to this thing or that, and it produces astounding imbalance in your life. But the imbalance – you can trick yourself into pretending the imbalance isn't really there.
And that's – addicts were very good at that. So it's denial or whatever – ignorance. So you ignore the imbalance. You ignore – like, you don't check in with your body. Or you assume that your shitty feeling is normal.
You normalize the day-to-day shit feeling. And then to begin to, like, pull things out of your environment and see how you feel when they're gone, it's very hard to do. Because you're glued to the damn thing. You become – it's a pacifier, whatever it may be. So it's like – I'm lucky, man, because, like, without diabetes, I'm a dad.
I can't have a fucking stroke. I can't have a heart attack. So that was all I needed to, like –.
Wake you the fuck up.
Wake me the fuck up.
Yeah, you can get trapped, because it doesn't feel like it's impacting you that much every day. Every day it's like – I feel the same. I feel the same.
I just had another vape. Yeah. Yeah.
A little bit of a buzz. Yeah. But meanwhile, you're, like, slowly rotting yourself.
You could – it's just if – like, I think, with augmented reality, like, if there was a way to visualize it, like, if you could see, like, a vape anaconda that had wrapped itself around you, that was slowly tightening and tightening and tightening.
Like the government.
Don't tread on me!
Yeah, man. I think that it's a really – but I do feel, like, built in. I like universe as – or universe as class. Like, I like – Ram Dass would talk about this. The universe is a – we're in a curriculum here.
And it seems like it's part of the curriculum is having these weights that we're sort of karmically – we're stuck. When you start, like, waking up, or whatever you want to call it, or wanting a better life, the first thing you notice is, like, where you're stuck, where you're trapped. Yeah. And then, every time you lift that up just a little bit, fuck, you get this sense of something. What you're feeling is freedom.
Like, you – it's like you've been in a dark room and a window opens up for a second, and you get this little glimpse of light. And then you start, like, freeing yourself here and there, a little bit, here and there, here and there. And then, all of a sudden, you're in a different universe. It's a different reality. And I think that maybe that's built in to the thing that we're in right now is that you're supposed to have some encumbrance.
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