JRE MMA Show #143 with Sean Strickland
2023-07-06 02:21:30
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What's up, Sean Strickland? What's happening? We made it happen.
I made it, bro. What's up? I'm finally pseudo-famous enough to be on the Rogan podcast. Fucking, let's go.
You're pretty famous after Saturday night. Hey, how's your eye?
Aw, man, the guy was trying to... Still pretty red. The guy was trying to fucking salute his fuhrer, bro. Oh, fuck. He's straight to the eye.
He's Russian. He can't say that.
He only moved to Germany when he was 15.. Well, fuck, I don't know, man. Fucking life's weird, dude. Is he Muslim? We all know how that goes.
Oh, fuck. I'm already getting canceled.
He's just joking. Can't we just joke around, folks? Isn't this America? That was a great fight. It was a really, really good fight.
And it was really interesting, too, because that guy is so used to blowing people out in the first round. He came out so hard in that first round. And it was very interesting. You have a very interesting style. There's no one like you.
Stand straight up. Even the way you hold your hands is different than everybody else.
It's more like boxing. I like to box. Yeah, no, it's funny. When he was throwing kicks, he was kind of like giggling and laughing a couple times when he hit me in the teeth. Once or twice, knocked the wind out of me.
in my mind. I'm like, you fucking pussy. Have you ever been in a 25-minute fight before, sir? We'll see how this adds up.
Yeah, that's the thing, right? People need to understand that. If you're sprinting in the beginning, you can't do that for very long.
Well, he broke quick.
Three minutes in.
I was shocked how fast he broke. I'll tell you when I knew he broke. After he took me down, there was a moment where he was on my back. I'm like, fuck, this kind of sucks. I was thinking, there's a moment.
I'm like, oh, this kind of sucks. Well, we know what to do. Get to a hip. Get your way up. Break the hands.
But whenever I broke his grip and he let go, it was soft. It was delicate. He broke like it's delicate. I think I hit him. At that moment, I was like, what the fuck, dude?
So he's saving energy.
He realized it was fault. It wasn't that he was saving. He just broke. So when you're fighting, you guys, wrestling's fucking hard. Wrestling's fucking difficult.
And you have to make the juice worth the squeeze. So if you take me down and you're on my back, you've got to hold that position, loose grip for as long as you can. Maybe knee me in the back of the thigh. Hit me in the head. If you could hold me there for 30 seconds and do light damage, that's 30 seconds of a round you won.
And the fact that he didn't even attempt to do it, it was like, oh, man, you're done. You're fucking done.
I was watching it at home and I noticed like at the three-minute mark, you know, there's a thing that you could tell, especially when you've seen so many fights, where you see a guy in the beginning and you see like how his body moves and then you see a diminishment. Yeah. And I saw like at three minutes, I saw the feet were heavier. The movement was different. He still looked good, but I was like, oh, he's already feeling it three minutes in.
Well, you know what threw me off? He fought my buddy, Soddy Sy. And dude, Soddy Sy's a fucking savage. Like he's a PFL champ. The fucking guy could strike.
And he wrestled hard against Soddy for, like, you know, a hard three rounds. So I went in there thinking, oh, this guy has like a tank. I watched him wrestle my friend. Yeah, it was shocking, man. But, you know.
But he's only had two UFC fights. He had that one fight. Was it in France?
Yeah, against like Dustin. Right. Dustin's a fucking can, dude. Like he should not be in the UFC. Like he, again, I like Dustin.
He's a fucking yogi, dude. Like. he does more yoga than training. He came to Vegas. I think I broke his nose in the first minute and like, and then he came to extreme.
I pretty much told Chris Curtis, I'm like, Curtis, if you let Dustin walk out of this fucking round, I will respect you less as a man. You know, like you're not part of our fucking team. Like, if you let him have any success with you, dude, like I will respect you less as a man.
How did Dustin get in the UFC?
So it's kind of, I don't know who he fought, but he picked up a guy, or a guy picked him up and slammed him and broke his shoulder. So his hype train was fighting a guy who, like, doesn't belong here.
So the guy broke his shoulder in the slam.
Yeah. So now it's like, oh, Dustin slammed him or something happened. And then, like, that's how he got signed. Yeah. Dustin's a fucking can.
You know, he's a fucking defector, bro. He's an American living in Germany. You can't respect that fucking guy. Oh, how dare he. Fucking defector, bro.
Sorry, Dustin.
I don't even know what country you represent, you, motherfucker.
I do not agree with the things Mr. Tricklin is saying, Dustin. No. But I do agree like that. there's something about those guys that are used to taking guys out in the first round.
There's something about those guys.
A lot of these like daggy Muslim dudes, they like, they're bullies, bro. They're fucking like, you know, that fucking Ali, that fucking cunt, the manager. I mean, I'm probably going to rub people the wrong way, but fuck him. You know, I'm going to see him. We're going to go fighting after I say that.
Did you hear what Sean said about me?
I like how he did the accent.
Yeah, he's a fucking cunt. So, like this fucking cunt, Ali, good thing, I mean, I don't give a fuck. He comes to the gym, he watches me, spar Marvin Vittori, right? And then we spar Marvin Vittori. I don't give a fuck, dude.
Marvin's a friend of mine. I'm trying to help him. And then, fucking. three weeks later, you pull out this fucking guy to fight me. You know, and then you start betting a prayer that he's going to beat me.
Like you fucking, you fucking rat, dude. You come, watch me, spar, and you pull this fucking guy out of your hat, and you go bet, Alex, he's going to beat me.
Isn't that standard, though?
I mean, I don't know, dude. I don't think managers should be in the gym. Interesting.
Yeah. Yeah, interesting. But don't you think they have to kind of get a bead on how guys look and what they're doing?
Yeah, but then it's rough, dude, when you watch me, spar.
And then you're handling the guy.
And then you're handling a guy. You know what I'm saying? Right. That's a rough one, dude.
Yeah, that's tricky. Well, that's why, you know, like elite gyms, have closed-door sessions.
Yeah, as it should be. You shouldn't fucking be able to go watch guys train. And again, I always tell guys, like my opponents, like you want to come, watch me train? Come watch me train. Bring your best sparring partner and come, watch me train.
Well, your style is pretty much the same. in every fight. It's like a steady, forward marching, and you're just very good at energy conservation. You're just very good at knowing when to sprint.
Well, I mean, like three weeks prior to the fight, me and my other buddy named Robin Shafar, up-and-coming boxer. Well, you know, boxing is the most shady, shady business there is in the fucking world.
Oh, yeah. It makes UFC look like higher education.
Yeah, boxing, you guys, is corrupt. So he's about 16-0.. And the guy can box, man. I've seen him put work on UFC fighters. Like.
I've seen him spar, like, belt, or champions. The guy does work. So we did, like, a no-time limit, 40-minute boxing, just whoever quits.
Oh, Jesus Christ.
Just because we're just bored, you know.
The CTE special.
Oh, fuck yeah, dude. Fuck yeah. So it's kind of funny. He was actually going through some, like, personal shit, and he beat me. He beat me that day.
But, like, I was hitting him. I was like, dude, you, just, like, there's something, like, there's something with you right now. And after we get done boxing for, like, 40, 45 minutes, he starts telling me his personal issues. I'm like, oh, fuck yeah, dude, you were ready to die today. Like, that makes sense.
I feel I'm about to go for a hike with my girlfriend, bro. You're contemplating fucking life here. Yeah, yeah, you win, dude. You fucking win.
That's like when Buster Douglas fought Tyson. You know, Buster Douglas' mom died. And Buster Douglas had always been, like, that really talented guy with a wicked jab who just didn't apply himself. Like, many really talented guys. And then for that camp, he just went fucking full in.
Yeah, some guys, dude, when they have that, like, I mean, fuck, even walking, even sometimes me, when I walk out. Like, I got to tell myself, like, dude, you are a fucking loser. Like, you are a fucking, you don't belong here. Like, just go in there and kill this motherfucker. You know, like, I always joked, I always had, like, I had a teacher tell me, in, like, seventh, eighth grade.
One of the few years I went to school, I think it was, like, her name was, like, Miss Wajda. I don't know, history or some shit. She looked at me. She said, Sean, you're the reason why they build prisons.
Oh, Jesus Christ. You're a little kid. Can you imagine that?
No, dude, but she fucking nailed on the fucking head. Like, I was a fucking shitbag, you know.
Right, but shitbags can grow up and become actual men. It's totally possible to dismiss a kid at that early an age.
No, dude, but life is strange, man. Like, they do very good at isolating shitty people. So, I mean, like, when I was in elementary school, I was homeschooled in, like, third, fourth grade.
Until, like, you know, seventh grade, I went back to school. And then they spotted me right off the bat. Like, oh, this guy's a problem. He's a shitbag. And so they isolate you.
They put you in, like, a school where you start two hours later and you end an hour early. Because they got to isolate you. High school, the same shit. I went to a continuation school. So, society, like, they, do well at saying, hey, this kid is going to be a problem.
We just got to, like, he's, like, cancer. We just can't let him infect other people. Let's fucking put him away. And then you go, and then you get older and you just go to jail. Same shit.
But it's funny that those kids, a lot of those kids, they can do things. They just need a direction. They need something. And martial arts is the best thing for those kids. Every one of them.
When people say, what's the best thing about bullies? Or best thing, rather, to deal with bullies? Like, teach them how to fight. You teach bullies how to fight, they're not going to want to be beating people up. If you teach them how to train with real people, they're not going to be doing that.
Man, I always say, like, MMA, like, even, like, soldiers with PTSD, that's, like, you know. I mean, I have a little bit growing up, like, just not even know what the fuck. I always thought, like, it sounds fucked up, but I've always, like, when you hear, like, soldiers talking about PTSD, I'm like, you fucking pussies. Like, this is how I was when I was a kid. Right.
Like, well, you know, at 20 years old, like, you know, I can't go in public or I can't sleep at night. I have, like, I'm like, what the fuck's wrong with you, you fucking pussy? Like, give me a gun. I'll fucking shoot someone in the fucking head right now. I don't give a fuck.
But then I realized that, like, me, I grew up so fucked up that that was my way of life. But I couldn't imagine being a normal motherfucker, just being a normal guy, trying to fuck the high school prom queen, going to parties. And all of a sudden, you turn 24, and then, like, the veil is lifted, and you're like, who the fuck am I? So, like, once I kind of realized that, I had a lot more respect for them. But, you know, what I was going with.
that is, like, training, man. If you guys have some fucked up issues, some demons, man, like, train. And a lot of people that train are fucked up. So, it's like, you have this good, like, brother-ship, this bond.
Yes, yes.
Yeah, it fucking, did me wonders.
Oh, man, me too. So many people I know, too. There's so many, like, lost people, who are some of the most exceptional people that I know because they went through that.
I remember the first time in my life that I ever felt happiness. Like, even when I think about it, it makes my eyes water. I was, like, 14 years old, you know. I was just a fucking fuck-up loser, man. And my mom brought me to an MMA gym, and I got the shit kicked out of me.
Just fucking, like, got the bloody fucking nose. You know, Paul Herrera?
Yep.
So, Paul Herrera used to have a gym, Empire, MMA.
The headhunter.
But he never trained. Like, he was never there. He was always in the business trying to fucking peddle, you know, fucking juice or something. So, it would just be me and, like, probably 14 to 21-year-old. We'd just be in the cage with four-ounce gloves fighting.
So, the first day I went there, I mean, fucking bloody nose.
I was thinking of Paul Bluntello. Paul Herrera was the guy who fought. Big Daddy Goodrich. Yeah, he was the one that fucking helped. Yeah, the elbows.
Oh, Jesus. With the fireman's carry?
Yeah. So, fucking, the first day I trained there, man, I mean, I got the shit kicked out of me. I was so happy. I remember walking out, like, wow, this is what it feels like to be happy. Like, I've never fucking felt this, you know.
You got it all out of your body.
Yeah, and I was like, fuck, I'm addicted. I mean, I, like, even going into that, dude, I was like 14, 15.. I had, like, crazy racist views. Like, I mean, I was like a little fucking Hitler Youth, which is funny to make fun of a booth. But, like, let's shit you not, dude.
Like, I was, like, I was on a fucked up path. Even, like, you know, I always liked wearing white shirts and boots and jeans. I stopped wearing this. I used to wear this. This is what I wore when I was a kid.
But I stopped wearing it once I started training because I thought it looked too much like a white supremacist. So I was like, I can't wear this shit anymore.
A white shirt?
Well, because you wear your white shirt, your boot. You ever seen American History X?
Oh, okay.
So, like, it's like the standard, you look like a white supremacist. And I loved that shit. When I was a kid, I loved that shit. That's what I wanted. Like, I wanted to look like a piece of shit, white supremacist.
So when I started training and I was like, oh, dude, you, like, you were lost, dude. Like, that's not who you are. That's not what you believe. I, like, went away from it. I grew my hair out fucking super long, got the name Tarzan.
I didn't dress like that. And now, as an adult, I'm, like, comfortable with who I am. I'm not fucking, I'm not a racist. I love everybody. Now I can go back to, like, my roots of being just a white trash motherfucker.
That's nice, man. I've really accepted who I am, you know?
Well, it's so interesting to watch people go through these changes in life, in these trials, through adversity, and become, like, a very interesting person at the end of it. Oh, yeah. You know? Like, I, you know, I know you say a lot of outrageous shit, and it's very funny, but you also say some very good shit, you know? Like, this speech that you gave when you were talking about America, like, that speech, the post-fight press conference speech, it's a fucking great speech.
Well, you know what it is, you man? I am white trash. Like, what I mean by that is, like, I am the future of America. So, like, both my parents worked. You know, my dad's piece of shit, but, you know, he's fucking in hell, probably right now, but both my parents worked.
They made good money, but we were poor. We were poor because, after the cigarettes, the bars, and the fast food, we were fucking poor. I mean, like, you know, we had, like, fucking, I can't tell you, you'd find a piece of paper and you wrinkled it up and you used it as fucking toilet paper. You know? Every time I wipe my ass with a piece of fucking paper, you get laying around.
But this is like, it's like this unholy alliance that corporations are doing to America. They want women working, they want lower wages, and they want more consumerism. And it's like, I don't mean it like, I'm not sexist, like, oh, put women back in the kitchen, you know, they suck, and I love fucking women, you know? Take off the burka, wear a fucking bikini, and huzzah.
But, you know what I'm saying? But we're truly, like, in a weird time to where, like, corporations, are eroding, eroding values of America.
Well, they act within their best interests. And their best interest is to keep people, consumers, and make sure that people just pay attention only to stupid shit.
You have Walmart in your phone. now. You want to go, I mean, I can't even, even me, I'm to blame. There's some times, you guys, where I'm like, man, I'm a little depressed, I don't know, fucking just in a bad mood. I'm like, I'm going to go on Amazon.
Let's see what the fucking Amazon fairy is recommending me today. Maybe I could, maybe I could find something that'll give me a little serotonin boost.
Find some happiness in a one-click.
Yeah, and then so it's like you, and then you have like, and then, on top of that, now we go full circle. You have two parents working, and I'm going mostly on the West Coast. You have shitty fucking kids, dude. Las Vegas, graduation rates less than 50%. High school dropout, no GED, I'm not one to talk.
But how do you raise, how do you raise a family, a successful family, when your kids are being raised by the system? Right. By fucking TikTok. After my fight, I had the doctor, you know, good, good guy, the doctor. You see, he comes up to me, he's like, hey, why are you, why are you talking bad about Las Vegas?
I'm like, well, Dr. John, or whatever your name is, Dr., cool, dude. What school do your kids go to? And he, just like, gets a big like smirk. I'm like, yeah, I'm sure you're paying like 50, 50 plus a year to educate your kids.
Like, so again, man, I mean, where's the reset button? Maybe there is no reset button.
I think the reset button is teaching people that there's things that you can do in life that can transform you. And I think, as weird as that sounds, a lot of people learn that through watching people like you evolve, through fighting. Because it's the most difficult thing you do outside of war and being a cop and being a fireman. It's the most difficult physical pursuit that a person can get involved with for a living.
But again, we're talking on such a deeper, fundamental level. If you have no belief, like we could say, America's becoming atheist. Like we could say that if you have no belief, if you have no moral right, no wrong. Right. And you're not taught this from like a stable family and you're being raised.
I mean, like literally America's becoming like communist China where, like we're letting our school system dictate values and beliefs. We're letting the system tell you what your kids are. And again, I'm agnostic. So I'm not, I'm not telling everybody go find Jesus, you know. If you're going to find somebody, at least let it be fucking Jesus, right?
But I mean, how do you, how do you fix a moral decay of a society when that's just where we're going? You got TikTok, man. Even fucking communist China will mitigate what shows on TikTok. But they give us utter, fucking filth.
But it's just, I know exactly what you're saying. And, you know, I went through the public school system, but I did it in the 1980s. It was very different.
It's been worse.
Yeah, it's a lot worse now.
But I mean, how do you, like again, like if you were, you know, if you were God, Joe Rogan, how do you fix this?
You got to pump a lot of money into inner cities. You got to figure out a way to make programs.
And there's places in this country that for decades and decades have been filled with crime and gang violence and drug addiction. And that's all they know. And that's the standard of their community. And that's what you grow up with. And that's what you see.
And if we don't fix that, the odds of those people coming out of there, I mean, there's a few that come out of there that become, you know, whether they're artists or athletes or whatever it is. They find a way through. They figure it out. But they're the rare ones. They're the rare ones, which we got to do is create systems where you have opportunity for kids and also mitigate the crime and mitigate the violence, and whatever the fuck has to be done.
Look, if they can dump billions of dollars into Ukraine, if they could dump billions of dollars into. I mean, there's so many different things that they pump money into, but they've never pumped any money into Baltimore. They never pumped any money into Detroit. Like, try to figure out a way. Like, if you can think about, like, what Halliburton did during the Iraq war.
They got these no bid contracts where Cheney was the fucking CEO of Halliburton. He becomes the vice president of the United States. And then the company he worked for gets these no bid contracts to rebuild, shit we blow up, which is wild. But there's profit in that. Right.
So what about figuring out a way to funnel that profit into fixing inner cities? Yeah. If we have less losers, we have a better America. And if you give people more opportunity, you have less losers.
You know, so even let's go on the smallest scale of sex. Like, how old are you, Joe?
55..
When is the first time you started watching porn? Can I ask that question?
Yeah, it was. VHS tapes came out when I was like, I probably was like 15, 15 or 16..
Okay. So, I mean, we had my brother. So my brother is a few years older than me, so he remembers things that I don't. But he'll, like, tell me. I mean, like, I'm like, oh, shit.
I forgot about that. So I was watching porn in, like, early elementary school, like, first grade and second grade. Like, because we had, like, a communal porn box.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah. Like my dad, my dad, my dad had this, like, like an old school water heater box, just stacked with fucking porn.
So you kids don't know about this, but we had, like, the communal VCR. So, like, you would go to, you would go to watch Aladdin, you know, and all of a sudden, like, Buttfuckers 29 is on the TV. So I started watching porn when I was like, I don't know, I was jerking off to fucking third grade in my fucking third grade teacher. But, like, but I was surrounded by that. Right.
Right. So. So already I'm at this moral decay. And it was like, and I was the odd one. I was the odd one, man.
Like, I had to go fucking find the porn. I had to go. Yeah. My brother always jokes. My brother always jokes that, like, when he would, like, take my dad's porn tape out of the VCR, he would always have to rewind it to where he started.
So no one knew he was watching porn. But then he jokes. Oh, man. I always know where my dad's coming now.
Do you know this spot? Shut the fucking thing off. Oh, gross. But so, yeah, right. Fucking.
Yeah, dude, my dad was fucking. I'm surprised, I'm a lot more fucked up. But, you know, so what I'm saying.
Is he alive now?
No, he died of cancer. He's actually fucking. Yeah. Fucking. But it's kind of funny.
Like, so I'm an oddity. I'm an oddity. I'm jerking off. I'm a little fucking kid. You know, I'm an oddity.
Like, I'm fucking violent. But now. But now, dude, you give a little kid a cell phone. And you have two parents working. Next thing, you know.
I mean, you fucking go on Instagram. You got titties in your face. Like, now we're like hyper sexualizing kids. And I think that's also a big moral decay. Because the moment you become hyper sexualized.
And I can't stop thinking about fucking pussy and dick. Like, it starts fucking your brain up at such a young age.
And it's a very unusual way to give it to kids. Where they have instant access to watching porn on their phone. All day long.
And we have no morals. There's no reason not to be a shitty person these days. You know. You ain't going to heaven. Just fucking, go.
Fucking, fuck the chick. Cum in her. Like, you don't got to raise your fucking kid. So, I think one of the best things we can do as a society. Is mitigate.
Mitigate sex. Because that is like the gateway. To like. That's why we want to make money. That's why kids want to sell drugs.
That's why kids want to go fucking party. There is no fucking pussy. Like. You know. No one fucking like.
No one. If like. If there is no fucking pussy. No one's going to a party. Right.
Why do I want to go to a party and drink? I'm going to go get fucking pussy. You know. Right. Yeah.
I always joke. I say no one shoots up at school. Because they have too much fucking pussy.
That's true.
But there are some good things about it. There are some good things about it.
Oh, for sure. There's good things about it. But it is weird when it's like hyper sexualizing kids. Bro. It's not good.
And then, like. You, go and you see fucking kids these days. Like the shit they wear. Like fucking. Dude.
Put some fucking clothes on. You fucking like 16.. Your fucking titties are out. You know.
They're being told that that's what gets them attention. Yes. You know. And they're being. They see it all the time on Instagram.
When a girl has like 5 million followers. And every photo is a picture of her ass.
Apples hanging out and shit. You know. Fuck, dude.
That's crazy.
You hear Norman. Norman. Yeah.
I loved him.
I fucking love Norman.
He's a great guy, man.
I love this skit about like being famous. He's like. What do we have to do after they went to the moon? You know. Like, you had to go to the moon to be famous.
Now you just show your fucking asshole. Yeah. Success, dude. You fucking. There we go, man.
Yeah. It's true. Norman was a gangster. He didn't even tell anybody he had cancer. Yeah.
Didn't tell anybody.
He was a fucking man, dude. My friend Adam.
Who's a very good friend of his. He didn't even know. Yeah. He just fucking went off to Canada to die.
Solid fucking guy too, man. Like.
Super solid guy. Good.
You never think he was like a solid, moral human being. But like. As he got older. He started showing that. Like.
Hey. I'm a decent human being. You're like. Oh shit.
No. He was a great guy. He was a maniac, though. He was really. Just randomly.
For some reason. Twice. I was on flights with him. Sitting right next to him. Just totally randomly.
Shit. It was crazy. And one time. We were on this flight. And we're talking.
And he was telling. Yeah. Yeah. Stop smoking. I don't smoke anymore.
Yeah. And we're talking about smoking. And this and that. And I'm like. Well.
You know. What was it about smoking? And he's telling me the whole deal. The moment we land. He goes right into a fucking store.
And buys a pack of cigarettes. And he's lighting the cigarette up. Before he gets out the door. I go. I thought you quit smoking.
He goes. I did. But then I started talking about it. I want to smoke. I want to smoke.
Yeah. He couldn't. He was lighting it inside. Before he went out the door.
Hey. Old fucking man had a good life, dude. He had a great life. Fucking cancer man. My dad died of fucking cancer.
Fuck. It's horrible shit.
My dad, dude. He was so fucked up on pills. That, like. He had every kind of cancer. Like.
I mean like. Body. Brain cancer. Like. Every kind of cancer.
And I think the doctors were like. Dude. How did you not know. Something was wrong. Like.
At this point. You should have been like. There's something wrong with you. Right?
Right.
Yeah. Fucking A dude. Yeah. And then. He was like.
My dad was such a fuck coward, though. Like. He was the kind of guy. Like. No norm to the right thing.
He's like. I'm going to go to Canada. I'm going to die with dignity. Nah. Fuck that dude.
My dad was like. Give me all the drugs. I'm just going to ride this bitch out.
Well. If you're doing pills already. Oh. Dude. And they tell you.
You're fucked.
Another thing. Do pills man. You want to talk about. Like. The corruption.
Like. I don't know. I'm sure. I'm sure. Your viewers have a lot of experience.
With dealing with people who do pills man. Oh yeah. It's horrible, dude. It's horrible.
It's the worst. And you know. That Sackler family. They just fucking bribed their way out of being prosecuted for that. They just gave up six billion dollars.
So. They're immune to prosecution. It's fucking evil shit. What they did. They knew that stuff was addictive.
They knew that people were going to get hooked. They knew it was going to ruin lives.
And kill people. You're in the entertainment area. I'm sure you deal with it, dude. It makes you zombies. Like.
Like. Pills, suck the soul from you. Oh yeah. When I was in my motorcycle accident, man. I fucking, tore.
I'm still missing my quadriceps. I fucking. I left part of my kneecap on the road. And like. I would not take pills.
Just because I watched it my whole life. Growing up. It's like. Fuck that. I'm just going to be in pain.
What's wrong with your quadriceps?
So. It's torn. It's gone. So.
You don't have a quad?
Yeah. No. There's a little indent right there. See how it like dips in.
Whoa.
Yeah. So I got to the point where it's like. I mean. I could go get it fixed. I'm going to be out for a year.
So. You know. I'll deal with that.
How would they fix it?
Probably, just like. You know. Maybe. It would be a pain in the ass. They'd probably have to like.
Lengthen it. It's probably dead now. But yeah. I think they probably could. But I'm going to be out for a year.
Two years.
How much of it. Does it affect your movement? Or have you compensated with the other muscles?
If I was. If I was athletic. It'd be really hard for me to fight.
But I stand like a fucking tree. You know. I'm the easiest. Like. It's so funny.
Guys will come to the gym. Like. D1 wrestlers. And they're like. I'm like.
Listen, dude. You could shoot on me. I'm the easiest motherfucker to take down. You're going to take me down. But you ain't going to hold me down.
So luckily. I stand like a fucking idiot. I could. I could. You know.
It's not that bad. But if I was like an explosive wrestler. I'd be fucked. I couldn't train. I don't want to be fighting anymore.
If it was my lead leg. It'd be hard too.
Because.
I want to be able to absorb damage. But yeah. So, like. Yeah. Pills man.
Fucking scary.
They're terrifying.
Dude. I'll never forget my dad. My fucking dad, dude. Fucking. I'm like 17..
18.. And I come home. And. And like. He's laying in bed.
dude. My brother's 1911.. My mom bought us guns. At like super early. I was like in fucking.
I was like in fucking. Elementary school. With a loaded gun in my room. You know. Really?
Yeah. White trash, dude. So I'm like 17.. I come home. And my dad's sitting there.
And my fucking brother's 45.. You know. Really cool 45.. And he's like talking about killing himself. And I'm like.
Oh god.
And I'm like. I'm like dude, dad. like. I'm like dude. you should do it, man.
Like you should. You should fucking do it. You told him to do it? Well, like. I'm like dude.
Your wife's fucking. Fucking her boss. Your wife's cheating on you. Like. You're fucking poor.
Like you're a drug addict. Like. Like. where's your path to success from here?
You were telling him this at 14?.
No. I was like 17.. I was like 17.. I was like where is your. I mean.
Fuck dad. I would have told him at 14.. I probably would have at 14.. I probably would have pulled the trigger. You know.
But I was like dude. I was training now. I was in a better place. So I was like. I was like where.
Where is your fucking path to success here? Like, where. Where's your happy ending? I was like 17.. I mean.
There was that one point where I fucked him down. Put his head. Put his hand on the trigger. And said just fucking. You know.
When you're a minor sociopath too. You know. You kind of get power out of that. You kind of get a little kick out of it. Like, oh yeah.
I wonder if I can make him kill himself. Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ. But. Fast forward.
Fast forward.
It's great, you can laugh at it now.
Oh, dude. I mean. Fucking. If you can't laugh at all, your fucked up. Dude.
I mean. I went through some shit growing up, man. But fast forward. Like. Fast forward man.
You fucking. You know. Died 10 years later. Fucking cancer. And if you would have just fucking.
Some people, you can't help, dude. There's some people that like. I mean. I'm not an advocate for suicide. But.
There are some fucking motherfuckers in the world. You can not help.
Yeah.
And if you would have just did it. He would have saved himself 10 years of misery. Jesus Christ. Yeah. And I'll do my dad.
The worst thing about my dad. Dude. He's like. When I was a kid. He was like the monster dude.
He was like the fucking boogie man. And I remember there was one time, dude. My brother fucking strapped him. Like. We're talking elementary school.
Strapped a knife to his leg. Go stab him. Jesus. And then. He bitched out.
last second. I remember, like. Him, taking off the duct tape around his leg. Just ripping off his hair. I was.
But yeah. Later in life, dude. I think the first time I hit my dad. I was like 17.. I headbutted him.
Broke his nose. He just fell down crying. I was like so disappointed. I was like. You, motherfucker.
Piece of shit, dude. Like.
Wow.
You're the biggest fucking coward. You know. Yeah. Life's crazy. I mean.
How'd you, man? You had good parents growing up?
My parents split up when I was five. Oh shit. But I got a good stepdad.
Okay. What about your dad? You talk to your dad? Or. No.
I don't talk to him at all.
Yeah. Fucking dude. Men suck man.
Some of them do.
I'm like a bull dyke bro. I like fucking. I don't know why lesbians hate me. you guys. I'm with you.
Fuck the men, dude. I like pussy. I hate men. Like. We're fucking.
There's good men out there. But it's hard to be a good man. It's a hard path. It's a very difficult path.
Oh yeah, dude. And then you know. Fucking good men make fucked up, kids. They make fucked up. And then you just have.
You just have this. But there's not really many good men out there. I mean. I'm going west coast, you guys. It's hard.
It's hard to be a good man. I mean.
It's a lot of work. Well growing up, my neighbors sucked. All my. All the hoodlums I hung out with, fucking sucked. Right.
And that's all you know. Yeah. Yeah. It's like what we're talking about with inner cities. Like it's.
That's all you know. It's very difficult to see a path outside of that.
I mean. If I, you know. Say I fucking had a kid when I was younger. Like. I would have fucked that kid up.
I would have fucked that kid up. I mean. White trash. Trailer park. I mean.
I wouldn't have beat him or put my dick in him. But, like. I would have fucked that kid up. Right. It's actually funny.
I always tell the story. My dad's dying of cancer. And he's doing like. He's doing his, like forgiveness speech. And I'm like.
I'll go see you. He's like. Sean. You know. I was.
I was really bad to you and your mom. But uh. But uh. But at least I never put my. At least I never.
At least I never molested you.
Oh boy.
I was like. Fuck, yeah, dad.
What a low bar.
Let's fuck up today. Hey. You never fucked me.
Give me one of those oxys. I'm gonna fucking ride this out with you.
Yeah, man. Fucking 80s.
What the fuck man.
But I think also too. That's why people like me. Because most people are fucked up. Uh huh. They see me.
And they're like. Oh yeah, man. Like. I was fucked up. I watched my mom get the shit kicked out of her too.
You know. Like. I've dodged a beer bottle on Christmas morning. You know. So I think that's why people like me.
Because a lot of people are fucked up.
A lot of people are fucked up. But you've managed to go through being fucked up to becoming one of the best fighters in the world. Yeah. That's the hard path.
Oh man. I was obsessive. Like. Like. I mean.
When I was. So I didn't really. Like. When I was fucking angry dude. Like.
I mean. I wanted to fucking kill someone. So when I was a kid. I'd walk around with a fucking knife. Just hoping I'd fucking.
Just like. Fuck. I still want to kill somebody. It just would make me feel good. You know.
I'd just fucking. Just. Oh. I'd fucking love it. But.
So. You had that kind of anger growing up. And I needed fucking. So that's why I was also a white supremacist. I mean.
Could you picture being like. Can you picture. I don't even know what this is like. And no one even interjected in my life. Me being 12 years old.
Walking around doing the fucking hell hitler salute with a fucking swastika on my arm. At no point did anybody say like. Hey. Maybe we should help this fucking kid. You know.
I was in a. I remember like. Seventh grade. I took a permanent marker. I drew a swastika on my arm.
And the teacher took me outside and, like. Berated me. Like. Pretty much calling me a piece of shit. Like.
Do you know what that fucking means? Like. You know. Like. You're a.
Like. Just. You're a fucking piece of shit. At no point. was he like.
Hey man. Like. Why is this fucking like. 12 year old kid. Right.
Having a swastika on his arm. Right. It's fucking. Yeah. The system's weird dude.
Your life can certainly be weird. If you get those circumstances. Yeah. But you're. You're like.
Best case scenario. From those circumstances.
Training man. It's fucking training. I mean dude. I was so fucking angry. Like.
And that was the best thing about fighting for me. Is. I could go in the garage. Every Friday night. Saturday night.
And just hit the bag all night long. And when my brothers party. My brother had these. Like. So we didn't have like.
We had parents. But like. My dad was probably trying to fuck the girls. That my brother brought over for the high school parties. You know.
So. It's like.
My dad was out there, probably giving them drugs and shit. So. Like. I would just be in the garage. With all these fucking parties.
And debaucheries. And fucking threesomes. And foursomes were taking place. And I would just be in the garage. Fucking, smacking the bag.
Bop. Bop. Bop. Bop. And then, like.
I was. I didn't fit in. So, like. It was. It was really just a way.
Oh, Sean's not weird. He's a fighter. Sean's not the fucking weirdo. That doesn't know how to talk to people. He's a fighter.
And that gave you your identity.
It gave me my identity. I mean. Every night I'd be running at night.
Yeah.
Yeah. I mean.
Where did you start? What gym?
Empire. I started when I was about 14..
And where was that?
Corona, California. And then. I had my first like smoker fight at like 14.. So. I mean.
I'm fucking old. now, you guys. That was before amateur. How old are you? I'm 32..
That was like before amateur MMA. So. It's like. Pretty much. what you would do is.
You would just show up. They'd put chairs in. They'd buy tickets. And random people would just show up and you'd fight. Yeah.
So. That's how I started. And you didn't even want to fight. I didn't want to fight. I was like.
Paul Hare was a fucking scumbag. He was just like. You would show up. And be like. Well.
If you're. If you're training here. You're fighting here. Go sell tickets. Me being 14..
I mean. I think my first fight was against guys like 28 years old. And, like. You know. My fucking nuts barely dropped, dude.
But yeah. Anger. Anger is a hell of a fucking thing, dude.
Yeah. And it's impossible to grow up like that.
And not have anger. Fuck dude. You know. It's weird, though. And the thing is, though.
It's not like. And I try to tell people. I'm not necessarily anger. I'm not angry. Like.
Like. I would love to fucking cut somebody open. And I'm not angry. Like. It just sounds nice.
Like.
You got to get that out of your system, buddy.
I wanted to get a spar three times. Yeah. Like. You got to understand man. You got to understand, bro.
You got to understand. Like. People are like. Oh, go to therapy. Like.
Your brain dude. Like. The damage is done, bro. It's unfixable. Like.
I mean.
Don't you think that sparring and training is a form of therapy?
I fuck with anything. I spar so much. Yeah. And that's why. That's why I have such a good style.
Where I don't get hit. Because I love to spar. And if I got hit. I couldn't spar.
Well. Your control of distance. Your distance management. Because of all those rounds.
The UFC did a test. Where they let us wear a mouthpiece. And I think that, like. My whole training camp. I, like.
I barely even got hit. And I spar. Like. I sparred the most. And took the least amount of damage.
In anybody in the program.
Because you spar so much.
I spar so much. But you like.
Is that the majority of your training? Yeah. Sparring.
I don't really spar. I'll hit pads occasionally. But it's all live goes.
Really? All live goes. What about strength and conditioning? You do any of that?
Not really. No.
Really? It's just. Just sparring. Just sparring. There's no better way to get in shape.
For fighting. Than fighting.
It's fun dude. It's fucking fun man. Like. You know. I'm such a nicer.
Better person. You know. Like. After I go and try to fucking kill a man. I come home.
And my girlfriend. It's okay. Don't worry about it. Don't trip. What did I fuck up?
Tell me. Tell me. I'll fix it. You know. Like.
Training. Training's fucking nice dude. But I mean dude. I don't like. I think a lot of people, though.
Have these crazy homicidal urges. dude. I think we all want to fucking shank somebody. Shiv somebody.
There's a lot of people out there that have that. Yeah. There's a lot of. Unresolved anger.
Bro. I used to like. I used to sleep in my mom's bed a lot. Right. Because I thought.
I mean we're talking about like. When I shouldn't have. Like elementary school. Because I like. I thought my dad was going to fucking kill my mom.
So every night. I would like. I would go to bed. Thinking like. Oh shit.
My mom's going to die tonight. You know. But his words. Not mine. So, like.
Yeah. I mean you got to learn to laugh at it. Right. Yeah. At least he didn't fuck me.
I mean I have some bad dreams. But I'm just going to say. Those are bad dreams. Right. Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ. So yeah. You know. Repressed memories are bad dreams. It's always better to say bad dreams.
Right.
Yeah.
So.
So I like. Like dude. I used to like. Sleep out by her fucking. And this is where, fucked up too.
Like, I used to sleep by her door. And hear her fuck all the time. Because, you know. Because, being a little kid, dude. Like.
Unless your mom get fucked by your dad. Because, like. You're so afraid. She's going to fucking die. That's so crazy.
Yeah. So there's one night. There's one fucking night, dude. And this is just like. And mind you.
This is nightly. This is nightly. But this night stands out the most. In my mom's bed. I love my mom.
She's amazing. I mean. She's terrible. But she's amazing. You know.
She grew up in a boxcar. How do you fix that? So. Her dad. Her dad, was a piece of shit.
So one night. Like. I'm like. Probably like third. Fourth grade.
And I went to go sleep in my mom's room. My dad's like. Fuck that. They're having a bad fight. I'm like.
Fuck. So I'm like. Laying out by the door. Trying not to fuck him. You know.
And I'm like. Fuck it. Like. I just don't feel good about this tonight. I don't feel good about it tonight.
So I like. Crawl under the bed. Crawl under the bed. And. We had like.
Dog. There's no white trash, bro. You got white trash. There's like. Fleas everywhere.
Like fleas. So I'm like. I'm hiding under the bed. now. There's fleas.
I think there's a fucking dildo next to me. I remember.
Jesus Christ.
I'm like. Literally. So me being like. Third grade. There's a fucking dildo next to me.
There's fucking fleas jumping all over me. Oh man. So my dad. My dad, gets on top of my mom. And she says.
He said. I'm going to fucking kill you. Maybe it was just rough. Maybe they're going to grab the dildo afterwards. So my dad gets on top of my mom.
And he starts fucking like. Strangling her. And he's like. I'm going to fucking kill you tonight. So me being like.
Get up. I'm like. Fuck. The only thing I see is a guitar. My sister's guitar.
She's so mad at me about it. I grab the guitar. I just fucking. Smack it over his head. Grab the phone.
Call the cops.
Run down the hill.
Oh, my god.
My mom.
That dumb bitch. Bails him out of jail.
Oh Jesus Christ.
But you know, like. And this is where it's fucked up. Dude. Like my mom. Like my.
That's where, like. My mom, grew up in a fucking boxcar. In Death Valley, bro. Like. Yeah.
Like, how do you. You know. How do you fix that generation of fuck.
You do.
Yeah. Well yeah. No. Exactly.
That's the way. You do by becoming you.
I don't drink. Yeah. For sure. For sure man.
That's literally the only way. Like someone has to come out of that. That go. Like there's a way out of this.
And well, the thing is, dude. I'm not like. I mean. I had a little. A lot of repressed memories.
And bad dreams. And shit. We don't need to talk about. But like. Man, I'm calming, dude.
I'm calming. I'm way. I'm way more. I'm way more than you think.
Yeah. They just don't have a voice.
Yeah. And this is like you know. Like you especially deal with the black communities. The poor communities. man.
I'm fucking. Guys without fucking dads. Like. Fucking rough dude. Fucking.
Yeah, life is. Life's hard, dude. It's fucking hard.
Yeah. But it really is. There's. Like. That's the best path.
Like. Martial arts are the best path. To recover from that.
Yeah. The only issue with martial arts, though. Dude. And this is like. And this is what I tell people.
And if you got a kid. Who's trained. And let's just say you're training. What I'll. What I'll tell you, dude.
And this. And this is factual. And you guys should always understand this. I tell every. Everybody that comes in the gym.
I had one guy. A little, Billy Bob's. A pancreasian champion. I'm going to go. That's cool.
And I tell him this. When I was a kid. I was like 14.. Training at a gym. And there was a guy.
Named Zach Light. I don't know. The fucking old school UFC.
I know that guy.
But he was like. You know. I'm like 14 years old. This guy's like a hero to me. I'm watching him teach.
Cardio kickboxing. I'm watching him teach. Like. Jiu jitsu. And like.
He'll spar. And fuck me up. I'm like. Oh man. This guy's so fucking cool.
He's the life that I want. And then, hindsight. This man probably hates his fucking life. He's probably fucking half brain dead. And he's teaching cardio kickboxing classes.
For 20 bucks. 20 bucks a class. So it's like. Whenever you look at UFC fighters. And you want to be this.
Understand. Most of us. Most of us. End up poor. Broke.
And regretting our life choices. Like. It's easier ways to make money. guys. That's true.
I love fighting. If it wasn't for fighting. I'd probably be a fucking. I wouldn't be a serial killer. I'd probably just be a.
Just a fuck head in jail. With a swastika on my arm.
But don't you think that. Like. That path. If. If you're.
You gotta be.
100%.
Obsessed. To become successful.
But even then, man. I mean. I see guys so often in life. It's kind of funny. We're talking about UFC and money.
I was. I have a buddy named. I don't know. Fuck his name. I'm sorry.
Kyle. Kyle. Kyle. Some Brazilian guy. Contenders guy.
Really good. Really good guy. He's trying to fight Bo Nickel. Anyway. UFC guy.
He just bought his first house. Having a kid. Dude, like. The average house. In Brazil to buy.
Is like. $200,000.. Like. Maybe even less. I mean.
That's like a nice house. A nice house. An average house. In America is 4 or 5.. So it's like.
You know. You see a lot more foreigners. In this sport. And you're like. Why are there more foreigners.
In this sport? America is pussies. And I'm like. No. Because.
They can afford it. You go and you fight. They're signing guys at 10 and 10.. Like literally. 10 and 10..
Like. 10 and 10 on 4 fights, man. In 3 fights you get cut. So they. They sign these Brazilians.
These Daggies. Whatever the fuck you want to call them. They go home with their 20k. And they're living life good. They're living life good.
How do you live on 20k and 20k.
And pay your manager. And pay your trainers. And pay your gym fees. And food. And proper nutrition.
So. Again. I think that's also a big reason. Why we're. We're seeing less Americans.
Because.
You know. They're taking our jobs. Like fuck dude. Like. You know.
It's easier to import them, man. It's easier to import fighters. And they go back home to Dagestan. Brazil. And they live on their.
Let's just say. They make shit money. They're happy.
Well, it's also. Who's talented. And why are they. Why are they so driven. And who's training them.
And what. What kind of environment.
Are they training in. America is the best. We have, the best athletes in the world. man. If there was, like.
NFL money. Right. In the UFC. Again. People think that I hate on UFC.
Dude. I make more money in the UFC. Than I should make in my entire fucking life. Like. I am a fucking company man.
Like. If it wasn't for the UFC, bro. I'd fucking. I'd be a piece of shit. I'd be a fucking drug addict.
But. If there was NFL money in the UFC. We would dominate. Dominate the UFC. There would not be one foreign fucking champion.
But do you think that a lot of those guys. Who play sports. Like they play. They play football. Or they play.
You know. Basketball. Do you think they would want to fight. Because you have to. Have a very different kind of mentality.
To want to get in. To a ring. Or a cage. With another man. It's different than being in a cage.
If it was a high school.
Pressure. The consequences.
If it was a high school thing. And you could go get a D1 scholarship. And you could leave the ghettos. By being an MMA fighter. 100%.
100%. they would do it. Fuck yeah, man. So.
How do we fix that?
Like money in the UFC. I don't know. I mean. Fuck. I don't know.
You know more about that than me.
Well, there's money in the UFC. For guys like you.
Oh yeah.
I was going to say. There's money in the UFC. But that's also in boxing. The UFC is better than boxing. What like.
When it comes to how undercard fighters get paid.
Again. And this is. I'm a company man. When it comes to UFC. You guys.
Like most people. Most people. Most guys. Like, even if they make fucking 80k a year. 90k a year.
That's better than what we should have made. We're like. We fucking. We're a fucking loser. But.
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