Presidential Money Race, Clearing The Key Bridge, Moscow Investigation's Torture

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Reopening the port of Baltimore will be a Herculean effort.

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The Dali is almost as long as the Eiffel Tower and has a key bridge on top of it.

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What's the plan to remove all the wreckage?

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I'm Debbie Elliott with Leila Fadal and this is Up First from NPR News.

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Three presidents, a whole lot of celebrities and a $25 million campaign fundraiser can

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Barack Obama, Bill Clinton and all that money help Joe Biden catch Donald Trump.

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And Russia's government has made a point of showing it's tortured the suspects in last

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week's terrorist attack.

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See, on your behalf, state brings a revenge to the perpetrators.

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We are paying them back.

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Stay with us.

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We'll give you the news you need to start your day.

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Her latest research into the intimate relationships people are having with chatbots.

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How do you clear six million pounds of steel out of a river?

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That's what authorities in Baltimore have to figure out after a cargo ship wrecked the

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Francis Scott Key Bridge earlier this week.

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Until they do, the city's port is at a standstill and thousands of people are unsure if they'll

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have jobs.

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Officials are warning that this effort won't be easy, inexpensive or quick.

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NPR's Joel Rose has been following the story and joins us now.

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Good morning, Joel.

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Good morning.

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So, it's now three days since the morning the bridge collapsed.

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What's the site look like right now?

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It's still a scene of incredible devastation.

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The wreckage of the bridge is still in the river.

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Some of it is resting on top of the ship's bow.

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Containers on the ship are dislodged.

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Some are dangling off the edge of the ship, known as the dolly.

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Maryland Governor Wes Moore says this is a very daunting task.

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The dolly is almost as long as the Eiffel Tower and the dolly has the key bridge on

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top of it.

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We're talking three to four thousand tons of steel that's sitting on top of that ship.

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All of that debris has to be removed before they can reopen the shipping channel to the

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port of Baltimore.

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You know, and only then can they start working on a long-term replacement for the bridge.

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I mean, where do you even start?

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For the first time, we're starting to get a sense of how this will go.

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There are many different federal and state agencies involved, including the Coast Guard,

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Army Corps of Engineers, the Navy.

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And they're bringing in major resources, including a thousand-ton crane said to be the largest

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on the eastern seaboard, another 400-ton crane coming in this weekend.

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U.S. Coast Guard Rear Admiral Shannon Gilreath says they're still trying to figure out the

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best way to use those cranes.

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Before we can actually engage in lifting, we've got to complete the assessment process

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of the bridge and the pieces of the bridge are in the water so that we can figure out

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how to cut the bridge into the right size pieces so that we can actually lift them with

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the crane.

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But even completing that assessment will be difficult.

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Divers have to work carefully and methodically because the water is so dark and the debris

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is so dense that they can only see a few feet in front of them.

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No one at this point is willing to say how long it's going to take to get the port open

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again or how much it's going to cost.

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Now, federal aid is starting to arrive, $60 million in emergency funding announced yesterday.

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Is that anywhere near the need to clean up and rebuild?

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No, it's just a tiny fraction, a down payment is what officials are saying.

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The Biden administration can do some of this work with emergency funds.

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Sooner or later, though, Congress will have to sign off on at least part of the money.

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And all of the elected officials in Maryland seem to know this, from the mayor to the congressman

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to the senators.

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They're all framing this as an issue of national impact on the economy because they know it's

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going to be a tough sell to many Republicans in Congress, particularly in an election year.

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You know, before we let you go, we have to talk about what we've heard.

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A lot of hazardous material is on that ship and concerns about contamination.

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What can you tell us about that?

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Yeah, there were many questions about that at the briefing last night.

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Out of 4,000 containers on the ship, 56 contain hazardous materials.

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The Coast Guard says 14 of those were impacted in some way by the bridge strike.

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Containers carrying things like soap and perfume and some kind of resin.

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The Coast Guard was also asked about a sheen on the surface of the water.

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They believe that's from some damaged equipment on the front of the boat that's released about

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20 gallons of oil into the river.

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The Coast Guard says there is no threat to the public so far, but they are watching closely.

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NPR's Joel Rose.

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Thanks, Joel.

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You're welcome.

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If you paid enough money last night, you could get your picture taken with three presidents

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all at once.

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President Biden was joined by former presidents Barack Obama and Bill Clinton and a bunch

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of celebrities at a $25 million Democratic fundraiser in New York City.

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Republican Donald Trump was in town, too, at a wake for a New York City police officer

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killed in the line of duty.

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NPR White House correspondent Franco Ordoñez joins us now with the latest on the 2024 campaign

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and the money race.

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Good morning, Franco.

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Hey, Layla.

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Okay, so set the scene for us with this celebrity-studded fundraiser.

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Yeah, I mean, it was held at Radio City Music Hall in New York.

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It was a sold-out event with more than 5,000 people there.

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It was kind of considered kind of a private event, but we do know from the pool of reporters

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who are always following the president that there was a lot of energy in the room.

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As you guys mentioned, big stars comedian Mindy Kaling hosted, Lizzo performed, Stephen

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Colbert, the late-night host, moderated a talk with the three presidents.

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You know, Obama, he touted Biden's policies and said, unlike Trump, he had a positive

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message to share, that Biden had a positive message.

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Clinton talked up Biden's economic moves as well, talked about trying to work across

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the aisle on tough issues like the border.

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You know, the three presidents were very chummy with each other.

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You know, it was really just a lot of star power, a lot of money.

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And when you put all that together, you know, it was kind of an opportunity for Biden to

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counter concerns about his re-election, about his age and polls that kind of show a lack

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of enthusiasm.

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And, you know, just to be clear, I mean, we saw some of those concerns or at least frustrations

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play out last night as well, as the event was interrupted multiple times by protesters

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calling for a ceasefire in Gaza.

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Yeah, we've been seeing that a lot, voters unhappy with Biden over his continued support

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for the war.

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So Biden really needs this money since he appears to be trailing Donald Trump at this

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point, right?

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He does.

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He does.

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You know, Biden is behind Trump in some of those polls, but he is way ahead when it comes

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to the fundraising.

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And last night's event was a big demonstration of that.

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You know, Trump's got his challenges, of course.

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He's got a lot of legal bills that his political action committee is helping spend money on,

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money that could be used for the campaign.

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The Republican National Committee, which will fundraise with Trump, is busy overhauling

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the staff.

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You know, they really just all got a lot of work to do.

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So that's the money, fundraisers behind closed doors.

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Are Trump and Biden getting out much in public on the campaign trail?

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Yeah, this trip for Biden to New York was actually the highlight of a stretch of campaigning

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for Biden following his State of the Union address.

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You know, he visited battleground states like North Carolina, Georgia, Pennsylvania.

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Trump, you know, he's actually been kind of keeping a low profile.

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But as Debbie mentioned, he did appear yesterday also in New York at the wake of a police officer

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who was killed during a traffic stop.

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You know, I did touch base with the Trump campaign.

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And they say, of course, Trump is not going to have the same kind of money as Biden.

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They had to spend millions in a primary race that Biden did not have to worry about.

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But they do argue that their digital fundraising is skyrocketing and donor investments are

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also up.

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And they say, just wait, promising their own historic night next week when Trump and the

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Republican Party team up for a fundraiser on April 6th in Palm Beach, and they expect

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to raise $33 million.

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You know, it really just all goes to show how big of a money race this election is going

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to be.

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NPR's Franco Ordoñez.

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Thanks, Franco.

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Thank you, Leila.

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Russia's government isn't even trying to hide the fact that the four suspects on trial for

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last week's Moscow terrorist attack have been tortured.

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Gunmen stormed a concert hall and then set the venue on fire.

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The attack killed more than 140 people.

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ISIS has claimed responsibility and the U.S. has deemed that assessment credible.

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But Russian officials have suggested Ukraine carried out the assault despite vehement denials

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from Kyiv.

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NPR's Charles Mainz in Moscow is here with the latest.

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Good morning, Charles.

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Good morning.

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So where does the Kremlin's investigation stand at this point?

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Well, yesterday, Russian authorities arrested what they say was the suspected financier

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of the attack.

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Eight others are already in custody, including four of the alleged shooters.

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Most of these men, and they're all men, are from the Central Asian nation of Tajikistan.

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Yet earlier this week, President Vladimir Putin said he was primarily interested in

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who ultimately hired these people and again blamed Ukraine.

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And we've since seen his top officials, including the head of the Federal Security Services,

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the FSB, this is Alexander Bortnikov, double down on this theory.

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Let's listen.

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So here, Bortnikov says, of course, the gunmen didn't do this on their own and that he sees

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a Ukrainian trace, one that he says was confirmed by initial information received from the detained

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suspects.

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OK, presumably he's referring to these suspected shooters, right?

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But as you reported to us earlier this week, these men showed clear signs of torture when

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they appeared in court.

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Yeah, there's really no question.

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And I say that based not only on how they looked in court, where they were battered

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and bruised, one wearing a bandage over a mutilated ear, another semi-conscious in a

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wheelchair with a gouged eye.

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And so I say that not because of that, but also because, and this is what's really news

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here, what these men went through was leaked in graphic videos on social media that could

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have only come from the security services.

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Now, Olga Sadolskaya, Russia's crew against torture, a group that's lobbied against abuse

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in Russia's justice system for decades, says this, of course, was intentional.

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One objective of sharing it so widely is to send the message to those who are maybe planning

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something else, that look what will happen to you.

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And another is a message to the general public, like, see, on your behalf, the state brings

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a revenge to the perpetrators.

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We are paying them back.

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Now, Sadolskaya notes there's a problem here that's not unique to Russia, and it's this,

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that torture doesn't work the way you want it to, she says.

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It's not an instrument for getting the truth from a suspect.

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And needless to say, this approach also won't do much to instill confidence in Russia's

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version of events, particularly in the West, where there are already suspicions the Kremlin

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is more interested in manufacturing a Ukrainian connection than pursuing the facts of the

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case.

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Charles, you noted the suspects are from Central Asia.

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Most are from Tajikistan.

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Is it creating tension for immigrant and minority populations?

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Well, Central Asian migrants have never had it easy in Russia.

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But in the wake of these attacks, we've seen nativist instincts kick in.

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A journalist friend just happened to cross into Russia yesterday and saw long lines of

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Central Asian migrants stopped at the border for extra security checks.

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Meanwhile, there are growing calls for a change in Russia's open-door migrant work policies

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with its Eurasia-zone neighbors.

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But the truth is, Russia is dependent on Central Asian labor now more than ever, given the

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traditional labor shortages here have only been exacerbated by Russians going off to

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fight in Ukraine.

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NPR's Charles Maines in Moscow.

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Thank you, Charles.

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Thank you.

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