Jack Harlow: I’m *Not* Vanilla Baby (FBF) [VIDEO]
2024-06-07 00:46:58
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How could someone simply saying hi, make you immediately like them?
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Every video I see of him, I'm like, oh, I'm dying.
Jack Harlow does mention my name in the song. This new Jack Harlow song. It's currently going viral right now.
In the upcoming remake of White Man Can't Jump, he would have been nominated for a Grammy.
What is up, daddy gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper.
With Call Her Daddy.
Jack Harlow, welcome to Call Her Daddy.
Thank you.
I am so happy you made it from Vegas. Me too. That was like a close call.
Couldn't wait to get out of there.
Just like not the vibe to be in Vegas all the time.
Shit, it's not the vibe any time.
Were you there for 24 hours?
I was there for business, yeah.
Business. No pleasure.
I take pleasure in business sometimes, but yeah, I know what you're asking me. Nah.
No, you didn't meet any ladies.
I didn't spend any money, no. Okay.
Okay. Good to know. I want to go back to the beginning, because I'm like, already you sitting in this chair, Jack. And I want to go back. The ladies are blushing.
They're happy, they're cozy. They're like, oh, Jack's, here. They all have a crush. But today we're going to make them really fall in love. I can tell.
Okay, so we need to get to know you, okay?
So we're going to go back to the very beginning. You grew up in Kentucky, born and raised.
That's right.
You just moved back.
Yeah.
Tell me, why is your hometown, so .
. Why are you looking at me like that?
Nah, just excited. I don't know.
Talk to me about your hometown and what it means to you.
Gosh, where do I start?
I mean, growing up, listening to rap music, you would hear artists talk about the cities they were from and just lift them up. And I was just like, damn, Louisville needs that. And so it became a priority to me.
And I love where I'm from. I just love it. I love it. That's why I'm there. It just makes me happy.
And I think it's like, it's slow and it's laid back.
Little different than LA.
Yes. Very, very, very.
Is it? Okay. You just said, like, you, kind of like, roll it off the tongue. You're like Louisville. Is it Louisville?
You almost got it. You almost got it. I'd say locally, it's the ville, is more vol, vol, Louisville, Louisville, Louisville, Louisville. It kind of just like in the throat, or it's like, well, yeah, it just, it's not buttery. It's syrupy.
Yeah. But like, if you hear people say Louisville, do you give a shit?
Well, not deeply. And I'm beyond my like correcting it stage. Yeah, it's just, it's not tasteful. But you peep it. You notice.
Yeah. Yeah. Well, cause I, so I, my friends, both went to college there. Like my good friends. And then when I went for a wedding last year, I was trying to suss out the vibe.
Cause I was like, I want to say Louisville, but like, I was trying to not like embarrass myself. So I just said Louisville. But then you just said, I said it right. So I'm going to just keep saying Louisville, Louisville, Louisville.
Yeah. You're there. You're there.
What do you think is the biggest misconception people have about Kentucky?
It's a good question. It's really good. I see why you're in the position. you're in. You know what to do.
I'm just getting started. You know what to do. Trust me. I believe it. Um, well, I'll tell you specifically.
the city I'm from feels very misunderstood. I think, in terms of like a national identity, because Kentucky is so dominantly rural and Louisville is, is like a full blown city. Like with a downtown, tall buildings, like hundreds of thousands of people live there. So I think we feel a little misunderstood for that reason. So, Louisville specifically, there's some misconceptions.
I don't want to speak for the whole state, but there's always more than meets the eye.
Yeah, there is. Like you. What were you like as a kid?
I wasn't allowed to play video games when I was really young. So I read a lot.
What did you read?
Novels. All novels. I was really into Harry Potter.
Um, I just read, I remember there was a series, I'm glad you asked, so I have a chance to shout it out. It's called Warriors. It was about these cats that lived in clans and tribes and it just had me fucking hooked. I was just, yeah, I was, I was deep in it. So, um, I just loved books.
I don't know if I would be able to do what I was doing without the literature. in my early life. I heard hip hop for the first time. I was like, shit, this rhythm mixed with expressing myself.
I didn't realize you were a Harry Potter stan. Can we talk about that for a second?
Well, I'm not a stan, but yes.
Then what the fuck are you?
Fuck it, I'm a stan. Let's go.
Oh, you're like easily persuaded.
I'm easy.
Peer pressure. Let's go, Jack. Yeah. The whole time.
Who's your favorite of the Harry Potter? Yeah. The characters.
Yeah.
It was an Asian girl. He was fucking wet.
She was like there for a second.
She had me. She had me weak. I can't lie. She had me open reading that shit. The details JK Rowling used to bring it.
I was in there, nine years old, pants tightening up. I'm like, what the fuck is happening to me?
Do you think the first time you jerked off was when you were like at like the 16th chapter, and you were like, all right, you got to put the book down and getting hard?
No, I know what the first time I beat my dick was.
Share with the class, Jack.
I just realized I've been waiting for a chance.
Just right up to Jimmy Fallon, I didn't want to talk about it.
No one wants to talk about that shit. They'll bleep it out. They'll cut the whole thing out.
This is right up your alley.
This will be the whole promo. This will be it.
I just remember. first time I tried to go there, it rose and it was like the feeling was so unfamiliar to me that I got all the way to near climax and stopped. I think I was 12 years old in middle school and I just stopped because I was like, I don't know what's going to happen if this busts. I went to sleep. I just went to sleep.
The next time. I'm like, fuck it, I'm going all the way and I became an ocean. Do you remember that feeling?
What did you think to yourself?
I thought, goddamn, I get it. Shit's all right.
I love how you gave yourself blue balls for the first time.
I was terrified. I didn't know, because it just was rising and rising and rising. I'm like, where are we going? Great feeling.
You said that you weren't allowed to play video games. What was your house like growing up? What was the dynamic? Who was in your house? What's going on?
My two parents, who love each other deeply to this day, and my little brother. I owe a lot to my parents. I got good parents. Do you? Yeah.
And they're still together.
They are. Deeply in love. Wow.
So are you kind of like a romantic guy?
You know, I was for a while. Oh.
What happened?
I don't know. I'm just deeply in my patch, in my patch stage right now. Not that I'm, I'm not necessarily cutthroat. I just like, I think, when I was 21,, I just seek so much validation and it gave me such a rush to make a girl feel special. And it was almost like, how many can I make feel special?
Just to be honest. And I think I didn't want to sleep by myself. Like I need, and if I was, I wanted to get on FaceTime with someone and fall asleep on FaceTime and something shifted where I want my space more than ever. And, um, I mean, I'm as transparent as I've ever been and I'm just tell it what it is. And I, I don't fucking, I'm not worried if, if it's not right for the other person, it's like, let's keep moving.
Yeah. Peace out.
So it's, it's a different stage. I think something in the last, like 12 months, probably something shifted.
I think I know it shifted, but we'll get there. Um, okay.
Can't wait to hear your diagnosis.
Yeah. Yeah. Don't worry. We're going full diagnosis. We're going full diagnosis.
This is a therapy session, just so you know. Are you in therapy?
I am.
Okay, good. Well, this is an extended version. You can tell your therapist, we don't need our session this week. I sit down without it.
It's already canceled.
You said that you were like, you were looking for validation. Talk to me about what you were like in high school. Did you get the girls? Were you a loser? Were you bullied?
Were you the bully? What was going on?
Um, I could always get, I can always get the girl I wanted. It's not like I was like, I didn't have my way across the board, but I could get the cute girl. Okay. I could get the cute girl. I was, I was well liked in high school.
What were your friends like? I feel like that kind of like, were you like an athlete guy? Were you a like chess player? Were you in the book club?
I started making music so early that the rapper category kind of got stamped on me really early. So I would pass out CDs in school and everyone knew I was chasing this for a long time. So I was in sort of my own category. Even locally, I experienced the taste of fame from the age of like 14 on, because I would go out in public and people would stop me and ask me for pictures just at other schools. So it was unique.
It was unique.
I feel like. I know, fuck, what was his name was like Sammy, do you know who I'm talking about?
Sammy Adams.
Sammy Adams from Philly. Yeah. And I remember, I know what you're talking about of like, I feel like a lot of high school.
I opened for Sammy Adams when I was 18 years old. Shut the fuck up. I was 18 years old. No one was there to see me. I was playing for his crowd.
It was fine. It was right at passage. Right. First tour I ever went on, like four dates on the East Coast. We drove ourselves out there.
No one with us. Just me, my DJ and two of my friends and we drove from every venue and we opened up to a bunch of people staring at us, like, who the fuck is this? Like? can, can Samuel please come out here? Like hug.
Samuel. This check kid does not do it for me. And I was like, you know, no beard, glasses still on, like didn't know how to cut my hair. Like I was, it was raw. It was a very raw time, but it was character building.
That's kind of funny. The juxtaposition of like you being a rapper and then having like your glasses and like, maybe not like looking the part.
Yeah. I think, I think when I was younger, I really was like banking on that juxtaposition. I think, I think I was like, Ooh, this shock value is going to be what does it for me. And then I think I got to a point where I took the glasses off and like started like tending to how I looked, became slightly more vain. And I was like, I like looking in the mirror and being pleased.
Like I don't really want to be tethered to these glasses. So that's how the shift came about.
Were people in your hometown, like, I feel like sometimes people are assholes at that age, being like, you're a fucking loser. Stop trying to make it. Were people around you supportive, or were they like, you're dumb, move on?
It was split. It was polarizing for people. People were, it was, it was very divisive. Like people either thought it was super tight that I was doing that or they thought, like from a distance, they never would say it to me. I was, I wasn't stuff in the locker material.
I was, you know, I was walking through that motherfucker with broad shoulders. Like I wasn't, I wasn't the high school quarterback, but like nobody was fucking talking to me, you know, but there were people that definitely thought it was lame and would shit on me, and I would hear from other schools that people thought it was lame. Like, oh, you fuck with that kid? That shit's terrible. So it was split.
You know, what's funny is like, just so anyone listening, the ladies, like, I think there's something on Google, cause I was going to give you merch and I was like, oh, like I, I remember, I met him at SNL and like, he's taller than I expected. And online there's something of like, he's either 5'8 or he's like 6'2. and there's like a misconception. and I think, like people think you're shorter than you are. So I'm here to say you're pretty tall.
Thank you.
So yeah, you weren't getting stuffed into lockers.
Thank you for that too. You wouldn't have fit. That's right.
How would your teachers have described you back then?
If they were British, they would have said cheeky. I was well liked by my teachers, but I was not focused on school at all.
Good grades, bad grades?
Poor. Poor. Mediocre.
Like D's or C's?
C's and D's. Not failing. Getting through, but like not focused. Cheating endlessly.
Oh, you know, it's a skill.
Fuck. The thing is. at the beginning of high school, we signed like a, uh, did you have to do that? We signed like an oath. I was like, fuck man, they could take me to court cause I didn't earn much shit.
I'll tell you what.
How far would you go to cheat? Like, did you have any like tricks?
I had tricks.
Sure, you had tricks, now you're not in school.
Trust me, I had tricks. Okay. I had tricks. I was, uh,
I was just in with smart girls in the classes. I was in with them. You could send picture messages when I was in high school. Like, you know, obviously I didn't grow up in the sixties, so no, I'm joking.
But if I had a vibe with a girl, she was coming through with 11 attachments. I'm like. No.
She would bless me and I'd be like, I owe you. I'm going to take care of you. Because that is a love language right there, ain't it?
Baby, you helped me, cheat.
Right. And you will get. How intimate is that, though? How intimate is that? That is special.
I used to put my arm around like, you, you helped me do it. I'm like, oh, I owe you. I don't know what I owe you, but I owe you something. We're going to figure it out.
It was the attention.
It helped you, cheat.
I'm sure, I'm sure I did, but I don't think it was. I don't know if it was a direct, like, debt exchange when I did it. But coincidentally, I may have. But it was love. It was love.
I always had, I always had a lot of homegirls like.
Okay.
That it didn't have to go anywhere. It was just, there's nothing like the company of a woman. I know I'm in the right arena to be saying that, but I really, I deeply believe that. Like, it's, like, it's so relaxed.
It is. Yeah. We're pretty great. But what I can imagine is like, did you have a girlfriend in high school ever?
I did for a portion of it.
How did that go over with her? Have you having all these, lady friends?
Well, she's at another school.
Let me chill.
I feel like you play, you played a lot of games back in the day.
It didn't feel like it. I just was me. I just was, I was, I like to, I just like to have friends. You get it.
You like to have friends with vaginas.
It's like, I want to move on, because somehow the wounds seem fresh, no matter how long ago it was. It's just like, yo, let's chill, let's chill.
We're literally talking about high school and middle school. He's like, oh.
I know, it's like, yo, like there's, she gonna hear this.
How many girlfriends did you have in high school?
I had one.
How long?
A year. Oh. I'm also on the same shit. I'm on now. Then I'm, you know, playing the field, you know, chilling, seeing what's going on.
Oh, assessing the situation.
Uh, huh. Uh, huh. You are funny. Okay, we're moving on.
What was the major turning point in your career? If you had to say, like one big moment where you're like, oh, people fucking know me now.
I mean, what's. popping was a huge one. There was little steps up till. then. Like, there's a lot of people that approach me and tell me at different times in the late 2010s, they became aware of me.
Like. I had these records that would go viral on Twitter from like 2017, 2018, 2019.. So it was building. It was building. And then it was, and then it took this big jump where it was popping.
And I remember pulling up at a red light and the person next to me looking over and being like, and that was when I was like, okay, it's just, I'm out in public. I'm not in my hometown and people are stopping me.
That must be so crazy. Now, understanding that you always kind of were like recognizable in Kentucky, but then to go somewhere else and be like, oh fuck, I think I'm like famous now. How do you handle that? Do you like it?
It's very validating. I mean, especially overseas, like walking through New Zealand and Australia, and people know it's like, you feel, that's one of those moments where you take that time to pat yourself on the back. So it feels really good. It feels good.
Do you like the New Zealand women?
Yeah.
What country have you maybe liked the most of the ladies? Who shows you the most love outside of the US?
I really like London. Those women know how to talk. You know what I mean? They know how to talk.
You like a woman that talks a lot?
Yeah. And I like, well, yeah.
You spun that a certain way. Yeah, not too much.
Shut the fuck up.
To a point. Hey, let me tell you something. You are funny. You are funny. You're kind of funny too.
I mean, I assumed you were, but this is proof right here. Okay, thanks. I just think the women over there have a certain wit and a certain, you know, they just-.
Cheeky.
They're cheeky and they feel like they read a lot of books growing up.
Do you like a strong, confident, smart woman?
All those sound good.
What's your type?
I just like sweethearts, man. I like sweet-ass girls. I like sweet-ass girls.
So if a girl's playing a game with you, are you like, no? Like, do you like a girl that's like, hi, Jack, like I, like you? Or are you saying just like sweet, nice-hearted, but like? maybe they can kind of-.
I'm not saying a girl has to like be a pushover, let me walk all over her. That's not what I mean by sweet. I just mean that I don't like mean-spirited energy at all. And I don't like toxicity. I don't, that's not one of my fetishes.
And I know that's going right now. There's a lot of guys that are into that. They love it. I have no patience for it. And I'm glad you asked about games.
I don't want to play any games. I just want to enjoy it. And that's right now. That's who I am right now. If you ask me this when I turn 30, who knows?
Maybe you're playing the games at 30.
Hopefully not.
Maybe you're stirring up the toxic.
There's no telling. I'm just saying it may shift from sweet to like, yo, I need a woman that challenges the fuck out of me and is at this level, is above me, this and that. It's like, it's just who I am right now.
Maybe you want a woman. that's like making the bread.
I mean, it doesn't sound like the worst thing in the world. Yeah.
You mentioned when you were talking about vulnerability, I'm like, what's your biggest insecurity when you were younger? And like, do you still feel that way?
I think when I was really young, my teeth were pre braces. My teeth made it, you know, when you're like eight years old and your teeth are fucked. It's a common one. That was one.
Did you get braces where, like, you, would like decorate with the colors on the wall?
I think I had some blue shit going on.
But like Halloween time, you did do like black and orange.
No, but you did.
I didn't. It was like disgusting. Like. I look back and I'm like, it looks like there's like carrots and black beans in my.
teeth. It don't matter, then. I could totally see you at 11 years old.
Oh my God, I had two big front teeth and no one wanted to finger me. No one wanted to touch me, Doc. I was always the girl, like never on the top five.
Never getting fingered.
Never.
Damn, damn, damn. I got the craziest story about fingering.
Okay, sure.
I lowkey wanted to take this shit to NBC, but we're here. You already brought up fingering. I just want to tell you about a pregnancy scare I had.
Okay, here we go.
In middle school.
Okay, here we go.
So I had this chick, I was messing with, seventh or eighth grade, I think eighth grade. And um, she was touching me, I was touching her and a little bit of pre-cum got on her hands and I was freaking out.灬199 my hands. And you know about pre-com. So then I fingered my girlfriend in middle school. And the next day she hit me and she's like, yo, I think I missed my period.
And I'm like, now hold on. And I started to, my mind starts racing, my mind starts racing, thinking about it all. And we meet up at the buses and I'm like, you know I had pre-com on my fingers when I was touching you. I don't know if, do you think, and she was like, and then days went by. I remember, I swear to God, I remember it so vividly.
She texted me. I asked her, I'm like, did you get it? And she's like, I still didn't get it, my period. And thunder struck outside my window. Thunder struck.
And I was like, fuck. And I was so convinced this girl was pregnant. And I couldn't tell anybody,
I remember having a baby. Like, my parents, I couldn't have told them I even fingered somebody. Because it was like, what the fuck are you doing, fingering somebody?
And uh,
Little. do you know, if you told your parents, they'd be like, let us teach you a little.
thing about sex. It would have been such a relief. So it's my birthday weekend, ruining my 13th, 12th or 13th birthday. And I remember being at school and I just like lean against the wall in the hallway as everyone's going to class and I just slide down the wall and put my head in my hands and start bawling. Like I start fucking crying because I'm so convinced I just got a girl pregnant and just ruined everything.
And um, it was just dark, dark, dark. And then after school, I just was like down in the dumps. I couldn't tell anyone why. And then she came to me and she's like, I got my period. I was so relieved.
So relieved. But that was a, that was one of my first tastes of like grown up anxiety.
Did you use condoms ever since? Yes. On my fingers too.
Wrap that shit up. You know it. Every time you have sex, you use a condom.
And everyone should.
Have you ever had sex without a condom? I've always wanted to.
You think you'll ever get a go?
Maybe after marriage. Oh, let it go raw. Yeah. What do you think it will feel like?
I lost my virginity raw, actually.
And goddamn, it was great. In that moment, I was like, oh shit. Because it had taken, it had taken me and her weeks to get it in, cause I didn't know you had to wet it up. So I was putting, I was putting dry on dry. I was putting a dry dick against a dry.
And I was like, it's huge. And then, and then I just spit it on. And suddenly it just, it just fell in. And I was like, I remember I was in that motherfucker. I looked at her.
I was like, oh, we're going to be here for a minute, if I'm lucky. And I started.
And then, 45 seconds later, I was like, I'm about to, I'm about to, but I, I, it's so funny. It's so stupid, but it is an amazing moment when you first feel it. And it's good. It's, I know they teach us around that time. You're getting.
all this promotion, all this propaganda, put a condom on in my head. I'm like, all right. All right. Like, come on. Like I'm going to, but on my first go, I'm not going to have a barrier between me and them.
I want to feel that shit. Thank God I did, because I, I was like, this is why this is humanity. I felt humanity. in one stroke. I felt,
the cause of humanity in one stroke. We know you love Dua Lipa. What other celebrities are you?
crashing on?
There's someone, but I don't think it's mutual. So I don't really want to talk about.
Yeah. But like, what? if you like, put it out into the world and it like,
and it's not time. yet. It's not time.
She's beautiful. Well, obviously there's only a few.
You're doing great. What does it say? Just in case you were doubting yourself about this interview. Yeah. You're doing great.
Thank you. You're doing great. Thank you. I like your purple pants, your pink outfit. It goes, did you match it to the studio or just a happen?
chance? I didn't match it to the studio, but there was something about the fit that felt.
appropriate. You kind of look like you're the host of this show. You fit more into this room than me.
at the moment, but you run this shit. Let's be fucking honest. But I I'll tell you, I'll give you something. I like a girl next door anyway, so I don't need any internet presence. I like, I like me a librarian.
I like a waitress. Would you like a nurse? You don't know me. You don't know me. You must not know.
I've written a song about nurses. Girls wear scrubs to my shows.
and I'm not being funny. Okay, let's role play. You're trying to impress me. You're taking me on a date. Walk me through what we're doing, where we're going, what's the vibe?
I really.
like going to dinner, and obviously that's not revolutionary, but that's just one of my favorite pastimes. Honestly, I love going out to dinner, with or without a girl. I just love it. I think I would just set up a plan and just tell you what it is, and we run it. I don't know.
I'm not the most extravagant, but I would, I like to be somewhere quiet. I don't want, I don't want music blaring. I don't want to be yelling over something. I want to be with you in a dark corner in a booth, and I want us to be able to get as close as we want to get. and, you know, exchange smiles, whisper in each other's ear, like true intimacy.
That's like, if I really want to go on a date with a girl, I want to be, I don't want to go to a movie. I don't want to go do an activity. I want to be, I want to be how you and I are right now, but there's ain't no marble table between us. Like I want to be on each other. When was your last serious relationship?
Sometime in the last couple?
years. How long did it last? A couple years. Have you ever been in love? I'd like to think so.
How many times?
Potentially once. Well, I hear people describe love and I'm like, God damn, like. that is something. That is something. But.
I don't know if I've been intoxicated. Like. I felt deep infatuation, but I've been in love with someone once. I've been in love with someone and loved someone. I felt that, but I don't know if I felt the highest heights.
I've seen other people go. I've seen people just lose themselves in it, and it's like, I'm not, it's not a criticism of it. I'm more just like, wow, like that is a deep rush. Like I ain't never had that. Yeah.
Yeah. Okay. I bet you will one day. Thank you. And then I.
think, maybe you'll say, Ooh, like now I'm really in love. That's how it seems to go. Right. I mean,
my high school girlfriend, like there might've been a sense of like, Oh, we're in love. And then you have another one. after that. You're like, no, this is it. And then you have another.
Yeah.
But then maybe it's just also life. Like. maybe you're not capable in high school. Like you actually were in that moment in love, of what you were capable of getting. Yeah.
And you just keep.
dialing in your preferences and suddenly you're with somebody that fits where you're at right then. And you're like, Oh yeah, this is what the fuck I've been looking for. Yeah. A brunette that's.
in a nurse outfit done. Oh, you just gave me chills.
The fuck?
I want to discuss some of your song lyrics. You say I'm vanilla, baby. I'll choke you, but I ain't no killer, baby.
You're smacking the delivery.
On a scale of vanilla to kinky, where are you at in your sex game?
Five. Five. Weak ass. answer, right? Come on.
Well, it's just like, I have, I have my kinks. I also, if you ask the woman I'm with, it's like, they're like, God damn. I wish I could get this guy to just fucking arch his back on time. I'm like, I'm not arching my back. You're not putting nothing in my ass.
Like, I'm sorry. It's me. It's me. It's just, so. everybody's got their thing, but I had to be coaxed.
I had to be taught. I had to, I had to learn. I had to learn how to talk. During sex. Yes.
You were immune. When I was 19.. Yeah. I was just like, I was a breather, but I started to, I started to figure that out. And so, you know, people ask for what they want.
And you're like, some of it, you're like, okay, this is actually turning me up. But then some of it, like the lyric in the song, is like, I'll do that for you, but it's not making my dick harder.
But I know it's not, it's not about me in that moment. Can you help me understand? We got vanilla.
and we got kinky and you're in the middle. So I'm going to say something to you and you're going to tell me if it's vanilla or kinky. Okay. Missionary sex. The best.
As good as it gets. It's that corner booth in sex form, ain't it? Don't you think? sometimes people think missionary would be?
vanilla, but if you do it the right way. I know they think it is. It's fine with me. That's how we got going, though. That's how the homo erectus was like, that's, that's default.
Like, let's just face facts. It's default. We've been over-sexualized as a culture, and motherfuckers don't want to look each other in the eye anymore and put their nose on each other's nose and put their tongue down each other's throats while they're getting strokes. Like, come on. Like there's nothing better.
There's nothing better. And everybody has their own preferences. That's fine. It's not objective, but it feels pretty close to objective. Like what?
You can get in there. Yeah. In there. But I think.
some people really don't want to look at each other because they're like, I fucking hate you, but just let's fuck. But you're not like that. You're making sweet love. Typically. Every once.
in a while you gotta roll a motherfucker over. But yeah, yeah, yeah. What is your favorite sex?
position? We just spent the last 10 minutes on that. That is it? If I didn't ask you. You don't.
know what they call me? Wow. What do they call you? You know, I make music, right?
MJ. MJ. No, they don't. You call yourself that. Nah, I don't know why.
I got that nickname as a young child. My grandmother called me that at two years old. Missionary Jack.
Why? I was two years old. My grandma, you know that Simba had that shit? Yeah. She wiped some of that shit on my head.
She's.
gonna love missionary.
What do you think about whips and chains? Obviously, it's in your song. I don't like no whips and chains, but you can't hold me down.
It's a no go. I'm vanilla, baby.
I love your takes on my voice.
She's 28, telling me I'm still a baby. Nah, I don't like whips and chains. I don't want to be tired. Sucking her toes. Who's?
The girl you're hooking up with. She said, Jack. It would take the right woman. There's someone that could bring it out of me?
though. I know it. Maybe it's the person earlier that you said you didn't want to say it. Perhaps.
Sexting.
Crucial. Crucial. Hot. take. Are you the guy that's sending paragraphs?
Oh, the romance novels? Are you putting like... Then I bend you over and breathe in your ear. Furthermore, we move forward. I do a lot of...
I just like to read with my left hand.
Keep going. That too? I like quick fire, and that's how I text. I like to send eight words, six words, five words, one after another. So I'll send somebody 13 texts in a row.
I just hate when I read the paragraph. if a man has ever sexted me and it's like first and I'm like, oh, Jesus Christ, here we go. It's like then moving forward and you're like,
let's just.
. Yeah. I mean, that'll make you soft. I can't lie. Once they go like that,
you're like, yeah, that's a good effort. My next question was a finger in the butthole.
I don't want nothing in my ass, but I don't mind somebody.
You know, sifting. Sifting. Credit carding, you know what I'm saying?
That's very intimate. I like being a little spoon anyway, so I don't mind somebody scratching my back and then saying... What about a little lick? I can fuck with that. I can be...
I can get cleaned out.
I see why you run this shit. You're funny. You are funny.
I feel like your DMs are going to be scary. after this episode. Daddy gang goes hard.
Girls, listen to this.
Only a few.
How do you feel about hand jobs?
Traumatized. I mean, my first pregnancy almost came from one.
I remember I used to love me a hand job.
Really?
And I still.
. I'm a fan. It has to be moisturized, but I like it. But I just remember that girlfriend I had, she used to stand in front of me at events and she would just work my shit over my jeans. I swear, I'd look at that motherfucking lady, that bitch was bruised.
But at the moment, it was like over the jeans, just working my shit. I'm leaving that.
Good job.
I've never given one of those. Do you suggest?
It's too late.
It's too late for you now. You're past that period.
What's your best skill in the bedroom?
R&D.
Rhythm and dialogue.
Rhythm and dialogue.
Rhythm. Underrated.
Just like me.
Misunderstood, too.
Do you think you're misunderstood?
I guess I just feel like.
. I guess I just feel like I wish I fit in. I don't know.
What are you saying in the bedroom? What are you doing over there? Are you... now after you went through your breathing phase? Because that's like...
Nah, I don't breathe. I had work to be done and I met somebody older than me. And so I think I just started my dialogue up.
They said let me teach you.
Yeah. And it got out of... it just became very like... express what you feel right now. Just express it.
You don't need no lines. you wrote earlier. Say what you feel right this moment.
So to anyone watching out there, that's what I recommend. Literally. stream of consciousness is the best thing you could do. Like, what are you feeling against your flesh right now? Describe it.
If you can vividly describe it. Talk about it. Talk about how you feel about it. What you want. What you want for them.
Say it. Let it be known. Literature.
Are you good at detecting if a woman is faking an orgasm?
Mm-hmm.
No, I'm not.
So sad. So many women have probably faked it.
You're awesome.
Like, think about all the women.
I mean, surely. Surely. Don't want to go to dinner later.
For sure, because you're going to pay and, like, you know what it is. They want the Uber ride home.
Come on.
Let's talk about your new single. It is really good.
Thank you. It's like... It's nice to see you say something so earnest. I know it was hard for you. I know you're switching right back into character here shortly, but that moment meant a lot to me.
It is really good. Thank you.
It's so catchy.
It's the Jack Harlow we know and love. And I think it must... Can you talk how it must feel when you see it's so popular right now, trending on, as we know, TikTok is so important right now for music also. What does it feel like when you wake up and you're like, everyone's making a fucking TikTok about my song?
Impact is always so validating. And I dropped an album earlier this year called Jackman that I would say wasn't even in the TikTok universe. Obviously, there's people on TikTok, so many people on there that took it in, but it wasn't a TikTok moment. the way this has been, or First Class has been. And that album meant the world to me.
And it was extremely introspective and personal. And I love it. It might be my best work thus far. And then to pivot back into something that is high octane, just fun. And it comes on and it's not serious.
It's like, let's enjoy ourselves. It feels really good because a lot of what I was making this year is intimate. It's intimate. It's for the headphones. It's a personal experience.
This song is like, you can feel that you want to play it at a show.
Yeah. Is that annoying, though? As musicians watch, it's kind of wild how influential TikTok is right now. There are people that their whole career started because they hit one beat in one song, and people are like, who the fuck is this? So is it annoying?
Do you ever have to think of what's going to work and what would maybe be better on social media?
Well, for example, that album I put out, I didn't make a single TikTok for it because it was like, this, ain't that. But this song I knew, I had such a feeling about it. I just want to, because I know, as soon as it came on, I was playing it for people. And it just felt like the masses need to hear this. So, of course, you put some thought into like, yeah, I feel like they're going to fuck with this.
But I don't know if it's annoying. I mean, it's.
where fucking culture is and culture continues to move. There was something 10 years ago that was happening to the music industry that was so annoying for people. I mean, the streaming switch, there's a world of people like, oh, this is... And TikTok is a weapon. It's a vehicle.
And of course, there's people that are working on there. But longevity is longevity. So we're going to eventually see who translates it to something more. But it's the weapon right now.
Yeah, it's crazy. It's so...
It's unbelievable. It's crazy. It's unbelievable.
What is your writing process like?
I like you in this bag. You do? I didn't know you had this in you.
Yeah. I'm a businesswoman. I respect the hustle.
I can tell. I'm joking.
We can joke around.
I see how much range you got.
Thank you.
My writing process.
. Typically, I walk through life, have conversations, and I'll say something to somebody, like we're talking here, and a first line will appear to me. And I'll be like, oh, that's a good way to start a song. And I'll just write the first line down. And suddenly, I'll have this collection of first lines on my notes.
Then I go in the studio and a beat plays. And if I love a beat, I put it on and I start running through the first lines and saying different first lines on the beat. And one of them just will slide right into place. It'll just be like... And then my song starts.
It's not always what it is, but for me, that is what has happened to me so many times. It's like I come up... And if you notice a lot of my songs, I put an emphasis on the first line. I really care about the first thing you hear being like, okay, here we go. And, like Tyler Hero, for me, the ones that hate me the most look just like me.
That was something I just had been wanting to say. And you're just waiting for a beat to place it.
That's so interesting. And then you take the other ones and hold them until you find another.
beat for them. Yeah. And then you have the occasion, like on Lovin' On Me, Vanilla Baby was, I heard the beat and he was talking about, I don't like no whips and chains. And I was like, okay, I get the subject matter. And the first thing I thought of was like, oh, Vanilla Baby.
And you just mumbled something out and you're like, okay, I'm in a groove. Let me lay this down. So sometimes the beat dictates it. You just get a feeling. That's so crazy.
So do you?
a lot of times. go in there and since you're recording, you'll just say a bunch of random shit that will stick and then you can listen back and be like, oh, I liked what I said.
It's like, it gets too messy for me. And then you end up loving how you did something and you compromise. You write a weak line just because you want that bounce. So I try, I prefer to have the words written before I go in the booth. And a lot of my songs are one take, first time.
I laid it down because it was practiced before I got in there.
So it doesn't take you that long to record a song? It depends. Most good songs. don't take long, because you're not getting in the way of, there's no self doubt flooding it. It's just flowing and whatever's sending it down to you, you're vomiting it out instead of like, oh, I shouldn't say that.
Oh, they're not going to like that. Oh, they're going to like this. That's when you get stuck and you only have three lines, and it's been two hours. But when it's going, it's just, you can't stop it. What is it like?
when you go into the studio? I feel like so many people have like a certain vibe they need. Like, are you, do you have a lot of people in the studio? Do you have no one? Do you set a vibe?
Do you like candles? Do you need certain snacks? I used to want to be alone. I didn't want people.
in there. I thought I don't want to be judged. I want to be able to be myself. And I actually realized what brings me out is an audience, someone to impress, whether that's the producers in the room. Maybe I invite a girl through and you just activate your swag a little bit because you want to walk out of the booth and have those two people, those four people, be like, yo, you fucking, because they're a crowd of 10,000 people in that moment.
So if you have someone to impress, it goes a really long way. I'm always impressed by people that can, like, I can write really intimate, introspective stuff alone, because I'm alone. But to make bangers, like where I'm popping shit and it's compelling and has conviction, I need an audience.
I could see that. Like you, almost start to flex a little bit more and like you'll go for stuff.
more. You posture and you're like, you're trying to, you know, you're trying to impress the person in the room. And oftentimes they made the beat. And so it's this exchange. They play you the beat and they're like, you got to fuck this up.
And you're like, I'm going to fuck this up for you. You go in there and you lay something, you come out, y'all both listen to it. And it's like, it's euphoric.
All you want in that, because there's no one else there. All you want in that moment is the people you're with to be like, you, killed that. You might write based on who's there.
because you know, they'll like, if I do this. I'm so happy for you. I feel like why I love doing this. It's because, like, as much as we joke, like getting to know you, being younger, running through the streets, like giving your mixtapes out, handing people CDs, like it's cool to see someone that always knew what they wanted to do. And then doing it, even if you don't have like the biggest stage, and like still running with it and then to get to where you are now and seeing your success, like, thank you.
Congratulations. It's really cool. You strike me as somebody that's.
very driven and knows what they want to. So I appreciate that. Thank you. What should fans expect to see from you next?
I'm active. I'm feeling good. I can't lie. I'm ready to keep coming. I ain't going on hiatus.
I'll say that. Uh, huh. More coming. Oh yeah. I think we want that.
I'm hungry. I know we want that. I'm hungry. I'm very, I'm very hungry. I can tell.
I have a chip on my shoulder. And you should keep it that way. I will. For as long as I can, it's going to be.
sitting there. I'm really excited to see what comes next for your career. This new song is amazing. Obviously, we all want another album, tours, all the good things, but for now we will take the song, and I love it. Thank you.
I really do. Thank you. It's such a vibe. I've been listening to it like an annoying amount. That's wonderful.
Yeah. Yeah. That's what I need. Jack, thank you.
so much. It's been a pleasure. I'm not just saying that. It's fun, right? It's been fun.
Thank you. Thank you for taking it easy on me, Loki.
You didn't really give me a choice, but I didn't.
want to like disrespect you and like push you too much. That's nice of you. Thank you. Thank.
you for coming on. Call Her Daddy. Thanks for having me. We did it. We did it.
That wasn't.
a hit. That's a hit.
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