Charlie Day

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Hello and Matt Garley. Now, Matt, I'm told that you're a little loopy today because you're on some kind of powerful medication. What's going on? Let me look at it.

You've got a very different posture than normal. Seriously, what's happening? What's up? Groove bones? Yes, groove bones, the name I've always wished I had. Well, I found out I have tennis elbow and so they put me on some anti-inflammatories that are making me feel pretty good.

Okay, can you tell me exactly what the medication is, indomethacin? Does that sound familiar? That was outlawed years ago.

Hey, you're funny, Yeah, what's tennis elbow? I'm sure everybody knows what it is. I didn't know.

I mean, I've heard it, but it's just, I think. It's an inflammation of the tendons in your elbow, right? And do you play tennis? No, why would you call it tennis elbow?

Okay, what have you been doing? What do you want me to call it? Collecting old typewriters? Elbow Yes.

Have you been overusing that arm? I cleared everything out of our garage by myself. Box after box, wife threw you out, huh? Yeah, again.

That's what, yeah, okay, well, so you're on these powerful anti-inflammatories.

What are these side effects? Do you feel drowsiness? drowsiness? Yeah, okay.

So I do you do what? Feel that? Okay, are you going to be able to drive home?

No, okay, okay, well, give it a shot. Could one of you guys give me a ride?

We could easily call you an Uber, but part of me thinks we need things to talk about on the podcast. So why don't you drive home in this condition and just see what happens?

The loopiest I've been, have I told you this? I may have mentioned this, but the first time that I had a procedure and they gave me a twilight drug, oh, yeah, yeah.

I mentioned that a few times, okay, but did I tell you how? My wife had to come pick me up? She had to walk me home? And I just was a child, I was a child.

I was on this twilight drug and this is in New York. And so we had to walk like 15 blocks. And she was like, holding my hand and leading me back to the apartment. That's cute, like I was a baby. And then I just looked at her at one point and I said, I want to go to McDonald's.

Like a kid would, yeah. And so she took me to McDonald's, and I was as happy as I've been in my adult life, I would love to go to McDonald's, yeah.

Because there's something about.

It was so primal, I just wanted comfort food, and I went back to my childhood, loved my wife, she did a nice thing.

She took me to McDonald's and she said, Sit here and don't move, I remember that, don't move. She put you in a booster seat and I swear to God, she put like a Burger King crown on me or something.

Did she get you a happy meal? I don't think she got me a happy meal. I think she got me a quarter pounder, but she got me a shake. You dip your chicken Mcnuggets in your shake.

Is that an euphemism? What, yeah?

Well, I did that. Just be clear is all I'm asking you. Is that a thing people do?

Oh, yeah, it's a big thing. Yeah, we all dip ...

Oh, I thought you meant, Do we dip our balls in the shake? Oh, yeah, do you? No, that's a common thing. It's called teabagging.

Yeah, teabagging grimace.

I don't think so. Like hamburger, they're all gone, right? Yeah, I remember there were some that actually went away early on because there's Mayor McCheese and there's the police burger guy.

Right, but they got rid of them. I love those characters, yeah, and the Fry guys.

I know Ronald's gone, but they got rid of everybody. Ronald's gone, Ronald's not gone. He's in jail. well, you don't see him.

No, you don't see him in commercials anymore. Yeah, why didn't I see him? When was the last time you saw Ronald McDonald in a commercial? That's a good question.

I don't know, I saw him at Costco the other day. Okay, well, hey man, when you're not as inflamed.

Truth Server, Nice to have you. Truth server, you can ask me anything, I'll tell you the truth.

I'm happy to tell you, you know, this is just an anti-inflammatory, you're not on LSD.

I'm such a lightweight, you're such a lightweight, it's incredible. This is taking me back to when we did the Summer S'mores. And you had a little bit of a drink and started trying to kiss me on my left nipple.

You literally had the equivalent of a rum flavored cough drop, and now you've got your hand on my upper thigh. Oh my god. Joe, who works here at the show and is working in this very room often. Joe today asked me, seriously? She said, Are you on Adderall?

Cause she's so cool and she said to me, she said, and she wasn't joking, she said. Are you on Adderall?

And she said, Okay, so what is it? And I said, No. This is cause. She was talking about how energetic and talkative I am, and I said, This is just who I am. And she went, Okay, okay. She asked if I was on Adderall.

She said Well, I want to try and be a little more like you. And I said, Cause Joe is so cool, it's so cool and laid back and kind of effortlessly. Like when you're like that, everyone thinks you're the coolest person in the room. I said, Joe, you don't want to be like me.

I want to be like you and I can't. But she asked me if I was on Adderall and I was shocked. When I found out. Your comedy comes from a sober place, I thought like your writer's room was just like, you guys are all lighting up joints and you're just like, you know, pretty straight. And I'm like, Oh, that's coming from a real sober place, not a healthy place, but a sober place, yeah.

I know, but you make perfect, you make perfect. Oh, I'm sorry. Um, I think, yeah, I think Matt just fell asleep.

How long? We've been going? Well, we've been going a little while. But anyway, I think we, uh, realized, um, an important thing, which is, uh, we all love different kinds of fast food. I'll go with Wendy's. And that you are a lightweight and that you're minutes from your heart stopping you need to get. I mean, you are really looping out right now. Did you just snort out stuff from your face? You made me snot.

I made you snot. No, no, you manufactured the mucus, and maybe I said something that made you expel it from your nose, but I didn't make you snot. You panic.

How long does tennis elbow last? I hope a long time.

God, this is a different Matt, I don't know about this guy. I'm enjoying it well, I want, I want me some of this stuff. I'm going to go to my doctor tonight and say I've got tennis elbow.

You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to go out and buy a brand new tennis racket. It's going to still have the price tag on it. And I'll go and I go. I've got tennis elbow, I need the anti-inflammatory.

Oh, doc.

We've got to talk to a guest, you know, and not got to get to, because I love this guy, my guest today, talented actor and writer. You better wait, have a cup of coffee or something there. Gourley, you're going to snap snap out of this.

Gourley, My guest today, is very talented actor and writer, best known for playing Charlie Kelly on the long running FX series. It's always sunny in Philadelphia. Sona, you have built shrines to this show. I absolutely love this show so much.

As many people do. He now has a new movie, which is which he wrote, directed and stars in, called Fool's Paradise, in theaters May 12th. I'm excited he's here with us.

Charlie Day, welcome.

I'm delighted you're here, I'm thrilled to be here. Charlie, you've someone just reminded me that you did the Late Night show a bunch of times, or some incarnation of one of the shows. But I think nine times, yeah, which I say is too many.

That shows a neediness on your part.

Oh, because in my mind, you were, you're my Johnny Carson.

And I'm I'm forced to do every, all the other people, all the lesser than, Oh, well, that's.

Just, you know, magazine covers and everything was Conan, and then you'd get to Sona's part of the office, and it was all. It's always sunny. Yeah, just pretty much that whole area. It was a lot of pay.

They're just fun pictures, like promo pictures and stuff. But yeah, you're making me sound kind of crazy. But you also, you have great comedic taste in my opinion. And you were right about, and I always, I always felt you you guys collectively, guys gal, that that you have this. I don't know. Similar philosophy about making people laugh. That made me very happy, which was just this. Things could get very anarchic and crazy, but the show never really took itself very seriously and still hasn't. And and there was just a pure raw. We're going to have fun and, um, and make fools of ourselves if need be.

Yes, yes, but the passion and care is there. Also. We may have learned a lot of this from you. You may be partly responsible.

And you understand that the two things coexist. Because I think there are a lot of people who think, uh, oh, the always sunny guys. If you, you know if you hung out in their writer's room or if you hung out with them, it's just clowning all the time. And I know, for a fact, that no. There were probably very, very heated arguments about how the really stupid thing should happen.

Like, we've built up the work around it, and here's a playground with which to destroy sandcastles.

And then we didn't have a summer house growing up, and we would go and stay at my grandfather's house, which was in Miss Quamaca. Rhode Island, right next to the State Beach. So we were, uh, you know, he was a retired policeman, we would hang out at his house and then walk down to the State Beach. I would hang around Rhode Island and sometimes we would hang around there for a month to two months in the summer. And so, uh, I got a really good dose of the Rhode Island vibe.

And, uh, I have to say, I mean, it's funny because it's a very strong accent. People complain about the Boston accent, the Rhode Island accent.

I'm just going to fill up with gas. And this woman, like in an acid wash jacket, got out of her jeep and she walked up to me. And she's giving me the look like, you can't hide from me.

I spotted you, I spotted you, you're trying to hide.

You think you're a big shot now, huh? Yeah, and I thought, Man, that's Cranston, Rhode Island, yeah.

And I started thinking, Oh no, he's starting to, he's Peach starting to, his nickname is starting to lose it a little bit. And then I realized he was calling me Kevin, because he started calling me, Uh, here comes Costner.

That's where actors begin and end.

Yeah, and if something's good, he has a language of his own, this guy's language is also something's good. It's clean. So he was like, Uh, you know, right now, he'd probably if I saw him, he'd be like, I heard that, Uh, Super Mario brother is pretty big. That's clean, brother.

Yeah, clean is good, clean is positive. And, uh, you know, if it came out and tanked, he'd be like, Yeah, I saw your movie.

Clean and suspect.

I know I love that he's clean, he's got no. Yeah, that's true.

He's a suspect, yeah.

And then she, she went out back and I guess, made a phone call and then she came out. And this very thick accent that I can't really do. But she was like, I talked to the manager and he's here's the deal. If you would come back and and uh, do two days of, like a sign in autographs and we could tell we could, uh, we could publicize it. You know, Connor, Connor O'Brien is going to be here and he's going to do two days. And you do the autographs and you greet everyone at their table. If you could do that for two days, dinner's on us.

So how'd it go for real?

I mean, I know that these people would win, these people would defeat my representation.

And I think that there's a very strong connection between music and comedy. And, uh, and I know that that was part of your childhood, because aren't your parents, uh, professionals?

They both have their P.h.D.s. in musicology, as does my sister, uh, in choral conducting. And so I was like, you know, they didn't have any money, so I was. I was like, This is not music's not for me. And then I started being like, Well, maybe you could be a rock star and that's a different deal. But then, like, I felt like, you know, I could noodle on a lot of instruments. And then you meet the one kid who could just shred a guitar and you're like, Well, yeah, I don't, I don't got it.

I don't got it.

What is what? That's what you wanted to get into? No, just like, No, no, not professionally, like a Jack the Ripper kind of a thing.

Sort of a Ted Bundy kind of thing.

What are your assets? I guess? is that what I would say? I guess that's what I'm talking about. What are your assets?

And then you, I finally, I was like, I remembered, No, no, no, no, no. I seem to be able to make people chuckle.

But if I can just squeeze a couple of chuckles out of somebody, I can get by right, yeah.

Pretty decent guy, hardworking. I think I did notice blood on the finger, you know, like that.

Yeah, he wore a World War one German helmet.

And he'd lead with that.

That I'm like, these guys are really, really funny. There's a Chris Miller and Phil Lord.

And then you don't even necessarily like what you're being given the opportunity to do. Why not just shoot something ourselves? And we were looking at the British office and uh, how sort of cheap it looked. It just seemed very handheld and very easy to shoot. And the lighting just seemed like they threw the lights on in an office and filmed it.

A curb had just come out around then and it felt the same. The, uh, Panasonic DVX 100. A camera, not that we were big camera guys, but somebody glad.

Camera, and it kind of looked like those shows, but it was an affordable camera, so that combination of of, uh, attainable look with an affordable camera. And we thought, well, we could shoot something. There was no tick tock to just sort of throw it away on, uh, YouTube, I think had was just kind of coming onto the scene.

We thought, well, let's let's shoot a pilot, and we made a terrible pilot, you know? But there was a thing in it. There was something in the in the spirit of it that we thought, okay, let's redo it. It cost us nothing, uh, and we had a lot of spare time.

And then we said, well, let's shoot it again. We shot a second episode and we sort of handed that to our agents. So we started going around town. Or, or they said, let's hook you up with a big producer, and we waited forever for someone to watch it, nobody watched it.

And while we were waiting, we shot a third episode and that third episode started to get pretty good. We started to find our voice and our timing and get a little bit better. How to use the camera. And it was the third episode that Rob had. The his lack of patience was amazing and very useful. He was like, I'm going to fire everyone unless we start getting meetings.

And they're like, Okay, okay, we'll set up some meetings. And he took it around and pitched it. And um, we had an offer from VH1, I think, to rewrite it, or maybe it was MTV. And we had an offer from FX. To shoot a pilot with A. With a real budget, by real budget.

I mean, like, one 10th of what a television show is made for. But that was a hundred times what we were working for. We shot that pilot, they picked it up, they said we'll give you seven episodes, and then we did seven.

And then they were like, Okay, we're going to, we're going to cancel the show. But, uh, unless you can get a big name attached. And Danny DeVito had seen the show and liked it, and then here we are.

But now, you know, so yes, we're the longest running. We haven't done the most episodes. And then cartoons like The Simpsons has been around forever.

No, I'm deluded, but not that deluded. No, I knew that they survived very well, that they would survive very well without me and probably be enhanced. But I. But yeah, I left and remembered thinking, like, well, this thing has now been chugging on for like six, seven seasons. And it's an animated show and it's very labor intensive. How could it possibly continue? Cut to 30 years later?

They're just stuck in that thing, and Mr. Burns never remembers who Homer Simpson is. That's my other favorite Simpson, hey.

Yeah, that's funny, and no one knows how old he is. He's like, Well, sir, he saved your life. He once was in charge of the moon.

You transplanted your lungs into his once you once adopted him. All these, ah, it doesn't ring a bell, which is a great, great conceit.

Into like, we want to make sure that we're doing sketches that nobody's ever done before and stuff that's really, completely out there that no one's thought of. And we tried really hard to do that. And as time goes on, I think you're not competing against other shows, you're competing against everyone in the world who has an iPhone.

We did completely this, we have to scrap it.

And the other cast members? But you commit when you commit, it's something I believe in religiously, which is, you have to go in 110 percent. When you lose your shit as Charlie Kelly, you go full, full out. And I think that that's a quality of the show. There's no restraint.

When it's time to go, it is complete meltdowns, complete insane meltdowns.

It wasn't, but that one was, that one was good. Sometimes I can't do that and I'm hyper aware of the camera. Guys here, the boom guys got a cold.

It's like, you know, you're aware of it.

And just, I don't know, just kind of barf out a performance and it seems like vomit on the screen. And the audience loves it because they say, that's real.

Of course, there are things you can do, and obviously that is not the case. But there are times where we did a tour in 2010 and you were probably there for this Sona, but we were in some venue and it was going really well.

And I was in the crowd and then I got up on the ledge. Yes, and there's like a 30 foot drop into the audience, I remember.

And I'm like, on the ledge and like, doing stick to make the crowd laugh. Andy rightly was furious, and he was just like, What the what the fuck was that? You're like the Tom Cruise of comedy, you're going to die that way.

But if I can, I could notch it up a little higher if I stood up on the ledge. Wouldn't that be cool?

I would love to do. This just reminds me of something I've really been itching to do, and I'm just going to say it right now. But we've been shooting something for HBO Max, where I travel around and meet up with fans, kind of a travel show idea. And we were going to be.

We shot one in Norway already and we knew that there was a possibility that Tom Cruise would be in, like, the same area that we were in. And I've, I've worked with him before and he was really great, he's very funny, played it perfectly.

He was a joy to work with. But the idea is I want to shoot a segment where he teaches me how to run the way he runs in a movie. Because apparently there's a whole technique to it, because if you very.

To run the way I run, and not trying to be funny, just run the way a six foot four, not very athletic man my age, runs and run. But with the real cameras and stuff. And then put the music to it, and I think it would be one of the funniest things I think about it.

I don't know why the bears are smoking in my house.

And then you get you get into something like Pacific Rim, which is one of those movies where I can't even imagine. Because I can relate to you. In the world of it's always sunny in Philadelphia. And then when I think about, and even playing a comedic role in a movie. But when I think about you in something like, when that first Pacific Rim came out? And you realize, Oh, my god, it's such a good movie. And you realize that you're part of an apparatus that is so massive and you are. It's the complete other end of the spectrum from the kind of work that you were doing.

And you did it really well.

I want you to be loose and out of control and wild and messy. And by the end of the filming, he was like, On take one, your hand was here, on take two, it was here.

But that's just, I mean, I really enjoyed getting to work within his parameters.

So I was just geeking out on his techniques. He was saying he was like, I like to scratch the lens for the CGI shot, like scratch lenses. I want you to see. I don't know. Maybe it's wrong to do an impersonation of him every time. But he was saying, I want you to see something imperfect before you see the perfection of CGI. The way his mind was working, I was just eating it all up.

And then I would go back to Sonny and we'd be shooting. I remember we did a episode where we're in a police station and it's a flashback. And we're talking about this wedding massacre that happened where people were high on bath salts. And I was saying, Okay, when we shoot it, you know, we'll do. The coverage that Ritchie Keene great director, had sort of blocked out, but I said, Hey, Ritchie. After we get that, can we do a few Guillermo takes and just circle the camera around the actors? And just started using more, as I would call them, Guillermo takes throughout the show? And just getting more and more inspired to do more filming and make more things.

Fortunately, I think Rob and Glenn our relationship is not like that. So, you know, pretty much best idea wins in a pretty open environment for let's try all sorts of things. Yeah, everyone was game for it.

In the cathedral, that is a theater better than a real cathedral, because we're going to have that God talk.

But I saw your movie Fool's Paradise, and I really loved it. I really love your film and I love you in it. And you wrote this movie and you directed it. It's very sweet. You guys haven't seen it yet because I just got this advanced copy that I watched, but it is very much evocative to me of Chaplin, Buster, Keaton.

It's got a real sweetness to it.

You're doing that same thing Chaplin did out of necessity and then Harpo Marx did. Which is, you're not saying a word and you're very expressive, and you really are playing this person who is picked up by the Hollywood machine. And you're at the very center of it and you're very passive, it's a little bit like being there.

But had that character not come in, he would have stayed there until you died.

Yeah, yeah, did an extremely passive character. And then, you know, there's some justification, which is that he's, you know. We meet him in a mental institution and the idea is that he suffered some sort of trauma and we don't know what. And he has almost like the mind of a child.

And you know, there's another doctor there who says, well, you know? If we give him enough sort of exposure, therapy. And maybe if he has a meaningful connection with another person, he can sort of break free from this sort of regressive psychosis that he's in. But it's going to be a lot of work, and it's going to be a lot of effort, a lot of time. And the other doctor says, OK, well, what's our first course of action? And the guy says, Well, the state's not going to pay for any of that, so we're going to put his ass in the first bus downtown.

But it's, it's also it's just it's, it's, it's parodying every type of show like that. So it's not specific. But it was really that part was really making me how good it's.

So over the top.

I think initially I wanted to see if I could go on a few talk shows and shoot it like that. And then ultimately, I felt as though stylistically would take you out and then would take you out of the movie. To have, like, a real world person going back and forth between these fictional characters.

A talk show is so much funnier.

I mean, to make a fake one, I'd make a fake one, yeah.

The spoiler alert?

And then you can dress it up, and if someone at the New York Times likes you, they call you something else. But at the core, I'm still it's the same impulse that I was using on a playground in Brookline, Mass. in 1974..

Yeah.

Yes, there are times where I look at stuff I've done and we're in edit. And I'm just like, shut up, I mean, I'm saying it to myself, I'm like, shut up, right? There's too much.

Too many jokes, too many jokes. And you know, it's just, and really, sometimes the best things happen during quiet moments, which took me a while to realize. Unfortunately, I realized it, I think, fairly early on. But that that sometimes saying very little and letting someone else talk and just reacting to them naturally is much funnier than anything I'm going to come up with.

But sometimes to get them to laugh, you have to pull a few jokes out so that the laughs land.

I really don't.

True right now. true, it just made it, just made eight billion dollars.

It made eight billion of those little coins that Mario hits, Yeah.

Good night Kostner.

Let's get back into the voicemails, time to listen to what the fans are thinking. Hit me, Hi, Conan, Sona and Matt. This is Brian Perman from New York.

I'm sitting here minding my own business, doing some work and listening to your podcast. Actually, when I get a text from my wife who tells me that she just walked by. Conan O'Brien on the streets of New York City, on the Upper West side. She smiled at you, and you said, Hey. First of all, amazing coincidence, but second of all, do I need to be worried? Please let me know. Oh, I remember this encounter very well.

And yes, Brian, you do need to be worried, you devil, because I had an immediate connection with this woman. Nice and things are moving quickly.

That's all I'll say. What about your wife? What about my wife? Hey, you know, what about...?

Hey, I'm not dead. Is that what you say? When you're like spitting game, you're like, Hey, I go like, hey.

Yeah, really, yeah. A lot of times I tap women on the shoulder and they turn around and I go, Hey, that doesn't go over.

Well, yeah, and sometimes I'm wearing a Halloween mask, none of it goes of your face.

No, it's Nixon, it's always Nixon, and I go, Hey, there, I'm Nixon.

Howl No, I don't, I do. I think I'm a genial. Well, you've been with me a lot.

I'm very genial to people on the street, and if someone recognizes me and smiles or something, I'll go, hi, you know, Hey, you're very, you're really nice.

But I hope.

I hope that this woman in question didn't feel in any way that I was stepping over the line. I don't think I was. He wouldn't mention that. Maybe she was reciprocating and is kind of thinking of you and dreaming of you, you know?

Well, I don't think so. Why just going off of past experience? Come on, No, I would say I like chatting with people and I like talking to people.

And so I'm the complete opposite of someone who might be recognizable, who would feel like their time and space was being invaded. I'm the exact opposite of that person. And you walk everywhere, when you're in New York, you're, I don't know.

You're very recognizable, and it's in New York, it's like, you, you really. I feel like a walk that would take anybody else.

Five minutes takes you like an hour. Because you're saying hi to everyone. I do say hi to a lot of people, and you're chilling and you're taking pictures. Anybody you ask? ....

Anybody you ask to take a picture with you, you will take a picture, so if you see Conan, ask him to take a picture. Oh, I had someone ask me recently, they said they had just met me and we were chatting for a second.

And they said, How come you're so kind of?

You seem kind of humble and down to earth. And I said, a lot of self-hate and the person, that's what I said.

I said, Oh, I think a lot of self-hate, and the person went, I get that.

Adam Sacks Remember, and we were walking together and you saw a post on Like, Deux moi, seconds afterwards.

You want to lean in and tell this? We were walking together, we were in New York City doing some, had some meeting or something, and then we're walking up right past Rockefeller Center.

Yeah, and then someone texted me, like an Instagram post from Deux Moi that was like a picture of me and you together. And it was like Conan and his intern walking through New York City.

INTERN Adam Yeah, I loved it. Conan with his 13-year-old nephew. Will you go get us some cokes?

It doesn't even have to be interesting, it's just eating a cobb salad. I know, and you think, Okay, this is going to make it very difficult for me to murder because there's going to be a trail.

Do you already have a victim in mind? Yes, I do. Is it in this room? this victim can't say, oh?

Cannot say okay, but anyway, sleep tight, sleep very well. I think it's just going to be hard in general for you to murder.

Oh, and fix that second floor window in the kitchen. Oh my god. First, we got to get a second story. Damn it, I had the wrong house. I've been menacing the wrong people.

But yes, I, well, O'Brien, I you do not need to worry and I think I am no threat. Okay so, but my best to you and your. Does anyone say? Did he mention her name? No.

No, well, I'll just have to say, lady, your lady.

You just lost her.

She's gone. Yeah, well, I hope we cleared that up. We did good job, everybody.

Good job and Brian, my best to you and your lady, you got her back.

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