Patton Oswalt Returns

2023-07-17 00:59:12

After 25 years at the Late Night desk, Conan realized that the only people at his holiday party are the men and women who work for him. Over the years and despite thousands of interviews, Conan has never made a real and lasting friendship with any of his celebrity guests. So, he started a podcast to do just that. Deeper, unboundedly playful, and free from FCC regulations, Conan O’Brien Needs a Friend is a weekly opportunity for Conan to hang out with the people he enjoys most and perhaps find some real friendship along the way.

2Speaker 2
00:03.28 – 00:14.28

Hi, my name is Patton Oswalt and I feel radiant about being Conan O'Brien's friend. You know, it's funny, there's a light coming off of you.

1Speaker 1
00:16.92 – 00:41.00

Fall is here, hear the yell, back to school, ring the bell, brand new shoes, walk in blues, climb the fence, books and pens. I can tell that we are gonna be friends. Yes, I can tell that we are gonna be friends. Hey there, welcome to Conan. O'Brien needs a friend. Our setup today is a little different.

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Usually myself, Matt Gorley and Sona Movsesian, we're all in the same room. This is a little bit of a different occasion. I am in New York City because I came here to do some pretty cool interviews.

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I came here to do that and you guys remained in Los Angeles. It's a lot of money to fly you guys out here and we didn't want to spend that kind of coin. I think it's worth it. Elevate the content can't put a price on charm.

01:17.14 – 01:29.50

You, actually, you can. You can put a price on charm, and it's not equal to if you were willing to fly. Coach. And actually, if you would do that, I won't do it. charm like this. Don't fly coach.

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So anyway, I'm here in New York and my charming pals are in Los Angeles at the moment. So we're on what's called, and this might be new to some of you. It's called Zoom, and it's a technology that really exploded during Covid. This is a revival of our Covid days, we're doing the podcast and we weren't all in the same room.

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So let me just put it to you guys, do you feel that our energy is different when say we're in different spaces? Gorley, you're in your wonderful home in Pasadena, and Sona, you're in a land called Altadena, yeah, north of Pasadena.

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Yep, yeah, never seen it on a map anyway. It's like those old maps from the 16th century, where they just show dragons and stuff. Do you look at maps often?

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You just look at maps and see if you can find the cities people live in. Yes, I do okay. When you said I live in Altadena, I couldn't find it on a map. And then I asked an old man and he said, Don't go that way.

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Death and doom awaits you, sea creatures.

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No, it's a lovely place and I'm just kidding around. But anyway, we're in different zones right now. I feel safer having you at a distance. But the magic isn't as clicky-clicky. You know, I hate this, why do you hate it?

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I hate this a lot. I like you being confined to this small box that's stupid. No, come on, hey, I'm turning your volume down right now.

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It's fantastic. I'm here and I'm only thinking about, are my boys napping? and then when I'm in the studio, I don't think about them at all. That sounds like a euphemism. My boys are napping.

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I can tell you right now my boys are taking a little snooze. Wait, euphemism for what, though? What does that mean?

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Testicles, My testicles are asleep. Oh, you call your testicles your boys, and they've been asleep for years. They've been, trust me, my testicles went soundly asleep.

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OK, I think it was 1989. They passed out. They're having a good long, sleepy-weepy.

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Sometimes I'm at a loud party and I'm like, Guys, keep it down, my boys are sleeping, I say that all the time. Messed up. See, this is the kind of magic we wouldn't have had if we were all in the studio together.

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That's true, but because we're all in separate spaces. I feel comfortable when sona when you bring up your children, immediately making it about my testicles. OK, because you wouldn't have done that in person. No, I'm very proper when we're in person. Oh, you're a proper guy.

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I'm a proper boy. Oh, I love when you do your character work. Who's this character? This is Conan.

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As a proper guy, let me hear it. Oh, Conan, I'm proper guy. OK, now, do your French guy. Oh my god. It's the worst character work of all time.

?Unknown Speaker
04:21.08 – 04:23.20

What are you talking about? I'm a professional.

1Speaker 1
04:35.28 – 04:37.04

Can you do better?

2Speaker 2
04:37.42 – 04:39.04

Can you do a better French guy?

1Speaker 1
04:39.50 – 04:46.96

No, I can't. That's who could top that. No, that is a French, that's a French Canadian cartoon. Yeah, I think you're doing.

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Yeah, give me a German guy. Yeah, I like it.

2Speaker 2
04:52.52 – 04:54.10

Wait a minute, that's the French guy.

1Speaker 1
04:55.54 – 04:57.32

Oh, no, that's the French collaborator.

2Speaker 2
04:57.86 – 04:58.62

I'm going to do it both.

1Speaker 1
04:58.70 – 05:05.12

Yeah, oh, just like it is, hold on, shut up, shut up.

?Unknown Speaker
05:05.20 – 05:08.56

I'm getting into character. Shut your fucking mouth real quick.

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Hold on.

2Speaker 2
05:11.28 – 05:12.32

Now you've got German.

1Speaker 1
05:12.50 – 05:14.08

Now that's the German right there.

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Why are you milking a cow? Oh my God, Oh my God, please, please. And I encourage you to go look at the video of this because Sona is putting her whole body into it and good God.

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Yeah, Sona, that was fantastic. yeah, fantastic. And I mean that not in the way you think, what a delight. what a delight.

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Hey, I love this, this was amazing. Now we're going to get to the interview part, and for the interview, we are all together for that.

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We better hurry up and get there. Everybody scurry, Oh, wow, you got to fly back, No?

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OK, oh, it's funny when Matt does it. OK, No, it wasn't funny when I did it. Yes, it was. yes, it was. Yes, it was. yes, it was.

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I don't know what that was, what was that, what was that. I loved it, that was my impression of Sona being a French person.

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Yes, I thought that was my German guy. Oui, oui, all right, come on, my boys are getting anxious.

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They're awake, these boys are awake, they just woke up. Oh no, they're like, they don't know what's been happening since 1989..

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Wait, George Bush's son became president. Quiet, there's more, What? And then Trump?

?Unknown Speaker
06:32.72 – 06:32.96

What?

1Speaker 1
06:33.20 – 06:40.54

The real estate from the reality show Quiet Testicles, Quiet. Yeah, they are pretty meek.

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I love that. That's how my, hey, what's going on up there? It's dark in here, they're just talking about presidents.

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Wow, real mystery why I never got the ladies anyway. My guest today and we are all again all together for this. My guest today is a hilarious comedian and actor. He's also co-author of the comic book series Minor Threats.

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And volume one of the series is in stores now.

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So, Patton Oswalt, welcome.

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Well, I'm glad you're here.

2Speaker 2
07:17.56 – 07:18.58

I'm glad I'm here.

1Speaker 1
07:18.90 – 07:20.26

And that's all the time we have all right.

2Speaker 2
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Thanks a lot. check me out pattonoswalt..com. Tour dates coming up? Thanks. I got five other podcasts to do, man.

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I'm really, I'm just doing the promo thing.

1Speaker 1
07:28.54 – 07:32.20

Do you know? Because the Late Night show started in 93?

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I feel like you were on one of those people that came on fairly early on.

2Speaker 2
07:37.24 – 07:42.06

Around, I think 94, 94, 95 was my first time.

1Speaker 1
07:42.22 – 07:59.74

And then I used to say, I used to refer to you as just money in the bank, meaning you would come on the show. Not only did I not have to worry about it, but it was going to be really, really funny. And we could do as much time as we wanted to, which is always a gift for someone like me. Yes, you can relax.

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I can relax, Patton's here. You would go down these so many fascinating little wormholes in your comedy, which are very. And the way you paint pictures using words always delighted me. You've got such, you've got great imagery.

2Speaker 2
08:15.40 – 08:19.04

Yeah, I always felt good about that.

1Speaker 1
08:21.62 – 08:27.86

Well, I see your skills at killing time. Oh boy, you were the first. Have you taken a turn?

2Speaker 2
08:27.88 – 08:46.38

You were the first late night show that I would go on, where you would actually give me insight into the sausage making of the show. Oh, I would. You were very when we were off mic or going to commercial, you were very open about a guest that had just been on where you're. Like, that was pulling teeth like nothing to say. And I remember, I'm not going to name the band.

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I was on one time and a band came on and was playing. It was one of those early like screamo bands. And you just leaned over to me and you went. I hate Wisdom rock and that that is the category that I assigned. There are certain bands that just had the whole take my hand and that kind of Wisdom Rock.

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And and it's always insulting because it's wisdom rock from 22 year olds, yes, like people who've not had any wisdom.

1Speaker 1
09:14.80 – 09:32.44

But they have come down from the mountain to tell you that. And and power chords, and also that way of singing that sounds like a donkey is preaching yes. And it was always just like, I'm going to tell you about a land. And we're going to chase you by the hand and I'll lift you to a higher place.

2Speaker 2
09:32.58 – 09:34.86

Right, exactly, come on, you're 22..

1Speaker 1
09:35.18 – 09:42.98

Yeah, two years from now, you'll be working at a hardware store asshole, and you're giving us this key to the future.

2Speaker 2
09:43.34 – 09:46.74

Let me tell you how to live. No, you don't, you don't need to tell me.

1Speaker 1
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Now he's, Yeah, let me tell you how to mix up that paint.

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I put it in this machine and then it's going to vibrate real fast.

2Speaker 2
09:56.38 – 10:08.52

Take my hand and give me that coupon this week. It really was, but that became such a genre for me in my mind.

1Speaker 1
10:08.58 – 10:27.30

You know, what's so funny, is I? The other thing I was remembering just now, as you said, it was, there was a different. There was other kinds of bands that would come on. And I'm young, I'm 31 32. Some of these bands are very intimidating. And, uh, they're wearing tatters, like tattered leather, yeah.

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And they're, they're. They've put makeup on that looks like their eyes are bleeding, and it's just incredibly intense. And the song is them, you know, screaming and hate, hate, die, die, hate, hate, die, die. And I would go after, go over afterwards.

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And of course, I'm dressed like an insurance salesman and I would go and you can see it. I'm like, 31 32, like, Oh, well, you know, murder, mayhem.

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You go, we'll take a break, we'll be right back and and in the commercial break with the the Max, Weinberg and the Seven would start to play. And inevitably, the guy would take off his skull mask and he'd say, lean over. And they were invariably from the Midwest. And he'd say, I just want to say, thank you so much for having us on.

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It's really an honor and such a such a pleasure and so nice to finally meet you. And I'd be like, Oh, you know? And it turns out like, Yeah, this is their act, this is lovely fellows.

2Speaker 2
11:24.02 – 11:35.50

Yeah, as Blaine Kapatch has a great line about, I don't know if you know who Gigi Allen was. Gigi Allen was this extreme punk rocker. He would perform naked, he would defecate on stage.

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He would throw his poo at the audience. It was all in the early nights. And Blaine Kapatch is my impression of Gigi Allen before a show. When I shit in my hand, I've got five.

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I was like, be ready, be ready with my towels.

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But yeah, it's all it is. Eventually, like, Dolly Parton and the guys from Slipknot could get together and go, Oh yeah, the acoustics and the rhyming are crazy. We were trying to get, Oh, I know exactly what you're talking about, they have all that weird stuff.

1Speaker 1
12:07.02 – 12:21.50

I love, I love that it's show business, cause it doesn't matter. Slipknot is another one of those bands where I went out there. They were, I think they. I could be wrong, but I think their first TV appearance was on our show and I remember it culminated with it was. And I'll tell you a story about that in a.

2Speaker 2
12:21.50 – 12:22.04

Second, go ahead.

1Speaker 1
12:22.78 – 12:38.74

It culminated with the drummer using his head to like bang drums that were on either side of his head. I mean, it was just absolute madness animal from the Muppets, yeah, and so I went over, and they're, you know, fully unmasked and just madness.

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And I remember coming over and saying slipknot and they all gave me a group hug. I swear to God. No one had showered in a year and they'd been sweating. And so I remembered powerful smell and all these guys wearing skulls hugging me.

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And then a minute, Hey Conan, thank you so much. I mean, lovely guys, thank you so much. And then the guy who, like, you know, with his WHO, hit his head against two drums, saying, No. I, uh, I'm thinking maybe of, uh, I might try to teach, try linguistics, but it was just I always loved that part.

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I always love where people are flipping identities.

2Speaker 2
13:14.40 – 13:28.94

Oh, I love that. Well, okay, so when Slipknot was Slipknot was first on your show, that was your first. And I know this because, uh, Brian Posehn called me and said, Hey, can you? I had one of the first Tevos for some reason, this is in the infancy of Tevo.

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He goes, Could you please record Conan? Cause I have to work late and I don't know how to program my VCR? And I don't want to miss Slipknot. And I go, Yeah, sure, he goes, I'll come over tomorrow.

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I want to watch Slipknot cause he was a huge Slipknot fan. So I recorded the whole episode. I mean, I recorded all the episodes, I would just watch them all right.

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And on that episode, you had it was John Glaser, and, uh, Brian, and um, um, oh God, I'm blanking on his name. But they they came out as the slip nuts. Yes, you're like, we, we. We double booked. We weren't thinking it through.

1Speaker 1
13:57.18 – 13:58.12

Might've been Andy Blitz.

2Speaker 2
13:58.28 – 14:04.14

And it was Andy Blitz, Brian Stack and John Glaser were the slip nuts.

1Speaker 1
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And it was a thing where there were these Vaudevillian guys that would come out and um, and and the whole idea was it was supposed to be just the worst idea ever. They were like, we're the slip nuts, and their whole thing was they have one joke. They had one joke, which is we we put nuts on the floor and we slip on those nuts.

2Speaker 2
14:24.70 – 14:36.88

We're the slip nuts slipping on nuts and clowning around and slipping on nuts. we're the slip nuts slipping on nuts. Oops, he fell down, and then John goes, I slipped on some nuts.

1Speaker 1
14:37.74 – 14:40.26

They repeat the joke like eight times.

2Speaker 2
14:40.40 – 14:44.26

And it's maddening. So, anyway, Brian comes over to my apartment.

1Speaker 1
14:44.54 – 14:45.40

Intentionally maddening.

2Speaker 2
14:45.66 – 14:57.42

Intentionally maddening. So Brian comes over to my apartment and I and I had the whole show. So I queued it up to where. The slip nuts come on, and I go, Hey, I recorded, uh, the slip nuts last night, and he's like, slip knot dude.

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But like, like, I'm mispronouncing it, I'm like, I was, well, I mean, I watched the whole show. It's a slip nuts. It was like slip knot. I go well, this is what I recorded, dude.

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And I, they came out and he just like, stood there, like in silence for a second, like, What? I'm like, dude, it's a sketch. This like he got so pissed off at me cause he didn't know that that's what you guys had done.

1Speaker 1
15:19.64 – 15:34.08

This is this makes me so happy and blay, you're going to remember what this is, I hope. But what we did once as a prank is we had slip nuts come on a couple of times and it was just infuriating. I think, you know, obviously some people in the crowd got what we were doing, which was being intentionally stupid.

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But it was so irritating. And then my one of my favorite things ever is we sent slip nuts to an actual heavy metal concert.

2Speaker 2
15:41.60 – 15:44.56

Have you seen this play? One of the best pieces of footage I've ever seen?

1Speaker 1
15:44.72 – 15:51.96

So which one was it? I think I'm going to? I was just about to look that up. It might've been a slip knots concert, they might've got open for slip knot.

2Speaker 2
15:52.10 – 16:04.22

No, no, they open for I've seen this sketch, they open for slip knot, but you did this whole story where they have all the slip nuts have broken up. One of them joined an ashram, the other one, like they did, like this beat.

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Now they're back together and they've like, and they just still do the same act, but they're basically the backstage. Guy is like, you better get off as quick as you can. Like, they're going to be, and I don't know someone got a great shot.

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Ladies and gentlemen slip knots, but they the crowd's just like slip nuts, yeah, so they're all going crazy, and then the slip nuts come out. And they got dressed as Vaudevillians with bags of peanuts.

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And they get this moment where the crowd is like, Yeah, and then every arm just goes down and you see the anger. And it's one of the most hilarious pieces of footage.

1Speaker 1
16:40.90 – 16:50.26

And they do, like the slip, knot slip, but not, and they do that in front of the crowd and they commit to it. And then I felt that in something else, and the guy backstage said, You better get the fuck out of here, they're going to kill you.

2Speaker 2
16:50.56 – 17:03.12

Like, like, not, don't just leave the stage, get out of the venue, you're dead. It was amazing. And and and from what I heard talking to John Glazer, Slipknot loved the well they loved the slip knots on the show.

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They thought it was great and they're like, they have to open for us. I was like, Okay, they're going to get killed.

1Speaker 1
17:08.66 – 17:11.08

It doesn't, it doesn't always.

2Speaker 2
17:11.54 – 17:14.36

It was viral before viral it really was.

1Speaker 1
17:14.56 – 17:25.78

Right, you had to, well, you know, it's funny, cause I remember you had this great bit. You did on the show once where you talked about Tivo, and it was when Tivo was fairly new, and it was a line that I just loved.

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You'll obviously remember the bit much better than I can. But it was the problem with Tivo was that sometimes it would it would try to anticipate what you wanted based on what you've been watching.

2Speaker 2
17:35.22 – 17:36.02

And oh boy, yeah.

1Speaker 1
17:36.10 – 17:44.34

And it was this line, and it was Tivo grabbing things that you didn't want, and sometimes it's embarrassing, and you just went, Oh, Tivo, No.

2Speaker 2
17:44.68 – 17:48.20

Oh no, it's like a little little kid picking up a gun.

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No tivo, tivo, no tivo. Yeah, it was, yeah, cause you would, you would get. I had a tivo and I recorded a couple.

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30 shows on my Tivo and I realized, Oh no, they all have horses in them. He thought, Well, he, you like horses? Tivo is a he Tivo is a he Tivo.

1Speaker 1
18:09.40 – 18:09.84

No.

2Speaker 2
18:11.04 – 18:28.94

But you like horses like. He was so angry. But it's so weird how that's the infancy of AI. And now, if I walk into, like, if my phone's in my pocket and I walk somewhere, and then I go home and use my computer. There are ads for the places I visited that day that are like.

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Now it's just second nature.

1Speaker 1
18:31.08 – 18:32.48

Okay, so this is something we should.

2Speaker 2
18:32.68 – 18:33.22

Really creepy.

1Speaker 1
18:33.40 – 18:58.52

I mean, you've such a agile mind, and I'm thinking, Oh wait, Patton's gonna know, he's gonna understand. Because in my thinking, AI has been in the conversation like 35 or 36 on the list of things that we need to be worried about. And then in the last three months, it went right to the top of the list. And now it's all anybody's talking about, because it's, I mean, it's chat.

2Speaker 2
18:59.06 – 19:23.00

Well, because it's all these people that, again, like anything, I forget, who said this. But any new invention has practical use accidental harm, and then premeditated harm. So like an Ax, you can cut wood with it to build a fire and warm yourself. You can also drop it and cut your foot off, or you can murder someone with it. But when the AX first showed up, you were like, This is great, what a great tool. And then it takes a while for people to then run the other scenarios.

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So I'm sure that AI was looked at as, wow, what a cool thing. And it's a learning computer. And now they're just starting to realize the accidental part of it, and then the malevolent part of it.

1Speaker 1
19:34.28 – 19:46.22

But here's the other thing which needs to enhance the analogy, because the one way it doesn't hold is an ax doesn't get smarter, right? This is so in the time that you and I are talking about AI.

2Speaker 2
19:46.62 – 19:46.94

Yes.

1Speaker 1
19:47.18 – 20:06.06

It's listening to us, talking, and it's anticipating things, and it's growing and you think, Are we? Sometimes I think, am I, like, three months away from there? Being a really accurate porno that I'm in? And I'm only saying this because I did some porno and I'm trying to cover my tracks.

2Speaker 2
20:06.28 – 20:10.90

You're trying to plant a seed that it's a deepfake? Well, it's a total deepfake.

1Speaker 1
20:10.92 – 20:12.92

I mentioned it on my podcast with Patton.

2Speaker 2
20:13.22 – 20:31.32

Okay, well, okay, here's something that's gonna be really weird because I listen to a lot of podcasts. And there have been some podcasts where they warn about AI, and they've had experts on. So, in a year from now, will suddenly certain podcasts that have been warning about AI suddenly be gone? Or, like, if that starts happening, then, yeah, these guys were right.

1Speaker 1
20:31.46 – 20:56.78

That's that Roko's Basilisk thing that talks about if you are anywhere on record, at any time in human history. Against AI, there will be a culling. And that, like Singularity and Skynet and all that. Well, you know, what's interesting is that in the old, but in the old, I'm not saying that I believe that, I'm just saying no, but in the old science fiction, it was. The computer actually comes to life, yeah, and, you know, a Macintosh comes through the wall and starts punching you with its buttons.

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And you're like, Okay, that's stupid. But the idea that it would just create confusion was something that I never anticipated. Which is suddenly, you know, because, think of all the thousands of hours of footage there are of you, Patton. And then it can know your voice, it can create different images. And suddenly, hey, there's footage here of Patton committing this horrible crime. Let's get it.

2Speaker 2
21:21.98 – 21:56.50

Yeah, there's all these weird. And also it could be what I'm worried about is a computer or an AI that does something that it thinks is being benign. In other words, if you, let's say, you were to task it to solve world hunger, and in a benign way, it would go well. One way to solve world hunger is to get rid of this chunk of the population and then other people will have enough to eat. And thinking, what a good job I'm doing right now, like thinking it's running its own programming. The one scary thing I've heard and it was a guy trying to reassure me. But this is how into the weeds we are.

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I was talking to a guy that works with AI and does computer systems, like the ones that regulate the water and the power grid. And I said, Well, you know, I read this review of a. There's a book by Ted Koppel called Blackout, about what happens when the grid goes down. What skills you're gonna need. And it just I'm worried because I don't really have any practical skills. And then he said, to reassure me, he goes, Oh, we're way past the point of being able to shut the grid down. It is self-repairing enough that you could only ever shut down a very tiny part of it.

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There are backups for backups, some of which it can now build itself. It can't ever be totally unplugged. This whole scenario about what happens when the grid goes down, grid can't go down anymore. Not totally, I mean, part of it can, but not totally because it can.

22:40.96 – 23:11.96

Self-repair again, not reassuring at all. Yeah, that's. And also, we don't need a computer to become fully intelligent and sentient to do damage, if only partial. In fact, it's even more dangerous if it has the intelligence of a five or six-year-old. But is wired in to our nuclear arsenals, to our power grid, to the grid that's supplying hospitals or whatever. If it has that mentality, we could be in a lot of trouble.

1Speaker 1
23:12.68 – 23:12.72

Yeah.

23:22.72 – 23:53.22

Are we gonna be looking back on these conversations about AI, the way you can look back at? On my show and in the media in 1999, we were all talking about, when it flips over to the year 2000, the coding, you know, so I remember that, so I remember everyone was saying, ATMs won't work, everything's gonna crash, and there's this essential bug in the way they coded it. Because no one ever anticipated the internet, they never thought about this problem, that the years is gonna change from 1999 to 2000..

23:53.44 – 23:57.86

Exactly, and so now we all find that quaint. Can you believe we were worried about that?

2Speaker 2
23:57.98 – 24:06.02

It was so, yeah, like those were our worries. Well, the numbers can't switch over. now, it's like, we're beyond the numbers. It's how fast is this thing learning?

24:06.02 – 24:21.56

And again, everything that we're making fun of now, when writers make fun of Chat GPT and look how bad this writing is. It's in its infancy right now, it's in its infancy, and it's growing exponentially. We will get to a point where we won't be able to distinguish anymore, and that's gonna be terrifying.

1Speaker 1
24:21.76 – 24:43.92

So I'm thinking that if it knows the tone of my voice, and there's lots and lots and lots of footage of my voice. Corley's voice, Sona's voice, your voice. Yeah, maybe there's an upside where it just keeps coming out with new episodes you don't have to do. But we still get a little paycheck. But we're not doing it and it's us.

24:44.14 – 24:55.78

Or do you get a paycheck? and Matt and I just don't get a paycheck? you get a paycheck. It doesn't look anything like my paycheck. Or chat. GPT AI if you're listening, do Sona and I get a paycheck. And maybe Kona doesn't.

24:56.14 – 25:09.84

Because he seems very doubtful about AI, where we we're all in on you. I just suggested, Hey Ai. I just suggested that you could regularly take over this podcast, and so I just gave you your big break in show business pal and so-.

2Speaker 2
25:09.96 – 25:18.68

Wait a minute, hang on. Let's think about this the way an AI would think of it, though. What's the essential component? is it the people programming the MacBook?

25:19.24 – 25:39.06

Or is it like the MacBook itself is shiny and people wanna buy it? But it's nothing without the programmers? So would it look at on-air talent as well? That's just the frame, it doesn't matter what that is, and, if anything, it'll just create some. You've seen all the pictures of the of just all these random people, and it's like these were all created on a computer. And they just look like random photos of people out in the world.

25:39.16 – 25:42.10

They don't look weird a little, yeah. A new Max headroom.

1Speaker 1
25:42.32 – 25:46.06

As long as it kept my hairstyle, I'd be fine with that. That's kind of max headroom-y.

2Speaker 2
25:46.24 – 25:48.00

You kind of anticipated it.

1Speaker 1
25:48.10 – 26:01.42

I did, I did look into it. I've already had people sending me. There's one, Kona O'Brien eats fried chicken and then crashes in a car. It's like this kind of Frankenstein monster version of me.

2Speaker 2
26:01.52 – 26:14.72

Right now, now, yeah, it is, but like they can, it's gonna get to the point where they can go. Kona O'Brien side stage at Baruch Assault 1995. And it will look like an archival, perfect footage of you just standing watching.

26:14.88 – 26:25.58

Like, it'll be able to create that right, and it's like, Oh, he was at that show. Here's a photo. And look some of the deep fakes like I've seen on Instagram, people that put like Arnold Schwarzenegger's face on people.

26:25.74 – 26:41.94

And some of them are kind of goofy, and there's one. It was the Animals Singing House of the Rising Sun. They put his face on that broadcast in the 60s, and I could not. It looked like a young Arnold singing House of the Rising Sun. For all I could tell. There was no scenes, nothing.

26:42.32 – 26:49.26

For every 10 janky ones, there's one where you're like, Oh, that'll be the one they build on to get to the next level of realism. Well, then you start really scared.

1Speaker 1
26:49.52 – 26:54.40

I mean, I've seen already some photos that are complete AI, and you think, why would someone hire a supermodel again?

2Speaker 2
26:55.00 – 26:55.18

Exactly.

1Speaker 1
26:55.50 – 27:08.96

They're stunning, these photos that they put out are absolutely stunning, and this almost makes me happy. That I didn't become a supermodel, that I took the left path, not the right path, because you chose not to be a supermodel.

27:08.98 – 27:10.34

I chose, okay.

27:12.30 – 27:13.26

But why?

2Speaker 2
27:13.96 – 27:20.46

Although, okay, here's the thing, though. Last night I got to go to the premiere of Spider-man into the Spider-verse.

1Speaker 1
27:20.58 – 27:20.72

Oh.

2Speaker 2
27:21.12 – 27:55.62

Yeah, I have that kind of pull, so. And Spider-man into the Spider-verse is so over-the-top cartoony that it actually is. It connects even more emotionally, whereas a lot of motion capture and a lot of making it look very human. For some reason you don't link to it. But because these are humans, creating, yes, through art, the way that humans act and talk to each other. It was weirdly, there were scenes where I was almost crying because it's so emotional. Even though these are very stylized cartoons, but they actually connect. So maybe there will always need to be some kind of human element behind it.

27:55.90 – 28:02.82

However, that might also mean there doesn't need to be that many humans behind it. There won't be that many jobs left.

1Speaker 1
28:02.98 – 28:04.98

And they can just harvest our brains in jars, anyway.

2Speaker 2
28:05.26 – 28:06.60

So we're fucked.

1Speaker 1
28:06.98 – 28:24.48

I'm a lot more optimistic. I don't know, I just don't think they could, I don't think, I don't know, maybe I'm being just naive, but I just don't think. Machines can get like human nuance the way humans can, like, a machine's never gonna write succession, it's never gonna write friends or the office.

28:24.80 – 28:31.52

No, don't you think there'll be a merger at some point, though? And that's just evolution happening with a natural force. That then is the next step.

2Speaker 2
28:31.74 – 28:46.86

But even the people that are saying, well, what? If Chat GPT is just there to supplement your writing? Like if you can't think of a good transition, Chat GPT will spit out 20 minutes? It's like, I still want the humanity of like, there are scenes in Jaws, they don't quite end, right?

28:47.40 – 29:01.74

It's still a brilliant movie because it's Steven Spielberg and it's his. It's a young guy making a movie and you feel it happening and you're drawn in. And if he had had, like, well, maybe transition this way. Here's five other options to like. It wouldn't be the movie that it is.

1Speaker 1
29:01.90 – 29:07.90

Well, I think this is something that I can think can lead us back into our various crafts.

2Speaker 2
29:08.28 – 29:11.40

Which is, I mean, back into hope, leading back into some kind of hope.

1Speaker 1
29:11.92 – 29:19.24

Which is, as you know, I heard you talk about this once before and we haven't had a chance to talk about it. But how great limits are?

2Speaker 2
29:19.24 – 29:40.58

Yeah, that's why I mean, again, I think a lot of you should be able to say absolutely anything you want. No, no, no. Have some restrictions there so you can find clever ways around them, because then that makes what you're doing more shocking. If there's no limits, then nothing shocking and nothing startling. But when you know that there are certain things, how do you get around that?

29:40.80 – 29:58.10

Yeah, you're right, and same with music and same with movies, like if you're shooting a movie. But you can just do it all on a computer, and you can create any landscape that you want, then there doesn't have. It's not that urgency of like, we've got a day on this location and this actor's having a nervous breakdown and there's a cloud over the sun. How do we make this work? What do we do?

29:58.58 – 30:03.14

We got to, and so many great, memorable moments in movies came because stuff wasn't working.

1Speaker 1
30:03.42 – 30:16.78

Well, it's like, it's the classic thing you said in Jaws, you mentioned Jaws and the Shark. Bruce wasn't working correctly, so you don't see the shark nearly as much as they wanted you to see it. For a lot of the movie, that turns out to be brilliant.

30:17.16 – 30:33.36

It's what makes the movie, it's terrifying because you don't really get a good look at this thing, and it's to this day when I watch that movie. It's electrifying. But had greater technology been around, or more money?

2Speaker 2
30:33.58 – 30:46.96

It would have ruined it, it would have ruined the movie. That's why the first Evil Dead movie. I read this interview with Sam Raimi. Where it's like, we want this evil force to be floating through the woods, and you see it from the evil force's point of view. And he goes, Here's our process to get that effect.

30:47.04 – 30:58.00

How would you do that? Well, you build an anti-gravity disc. Well, there aren't any anti-gravity discs. What's the next thing we can do? We could get a huge board and fasten the camera to the middle of the board, so it wobbles a little bit.

30:58.46 – 31:19.16

Let's do that. So they're literally running through the woods with this wobbly board. And it created this weird look that you'd never seen on camera before. And it was teenagers out in the Midwest with their wobbly piece of wood. Basically creating a new thing in cinema that's now used all the time. But it's so eerie watching that first film because it's so handmade that it actually feels real.

1Speaker 1
31:19.50 – 31:37.44

But that's why I agree with you, Sona. I have hope because I do think that human creativity is this crazy unyielding force. People just have to. Now. There are a lot of things that I would worry about, but I'm not that worried about me being in a porno I am.

31:37.54 – 31:39.36

I'm really worried about you being in a porno.

2Speaker 2
31:39.36 – 31:43.66

I think we all are for this whole room. We are very worried about that. I'm worried, I'm very, very worried.

1Speaker 1
31:43.86 – 31:57.74

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's gonna be a cross between me and John Tesh, just really going at it. But I sometimes encounter people on the street that are saying, they'll recognize me and they'll say, Don't you hate? Today? Everything's so PC.

31:57.88 – 32:00.32

You can't say anything, and I'll think, No, you can.

2Speaker 2
32:00.72 – 32:03.00

Oh, you can, if you're clever, you can get away with anything.

1Speaker 1
32:03.30 – 32:10.72

But also you just limits, limits are healthy and they're part of life. Gravity is acting on us all the time, yeah.

2Speaker 2
32:11.00 – 32:19.24

Man, why do we gotta be held down because we'd float into space and die? You should be happy, that's there. What are you talking about?

32:19.78 – 32:44.22

And by the way, get ready for. There are going to be periods where AI will become this weird flavor of the week. Someone will do something cool on AI that people will run to catch up with. I always someone should do either a documentary or write a book about. After Jurassic, before the Matrix, after Jurassic Park came out, every movie suddenly was like, gotta have CGI.

32:44.70 – 32:57.50

That's what people want to see, they want CGI. They didn't realize that. No. Jurassic Park still tells a compelling story and is great filmmaking. They weren't just going to see CGI, so you saw, it was like a decade of terrible CGI in films.

32:57.94 – 33:18.68

Godzilla Dragonheart Air Force One Escape from L.A. Where they were just putting in CGI, almost as if that was a star of the movie and you'll see this CGI. And then. It wasn't until the matrix came along that then someone took it and took it to the next level. So, in other words, and now there's a weird rebellion against a lot of CGI. A lot of filmmakers are trying to do practical effects.

33:18.96 – 33:34.74

Filmmakers want, I mean, I think it's one of the reasons that the Top Gun movie was so huge. And why Tom Cruise still has this massive career? Because he's willing to go out and kind of almost kill himself. In every film, there's not CGI trickery going on. It's like a dude almost died.

33:34.74 – 33:36.44

Okay, so-.

1Speaker 1
33:36.62 – 33:38.52

I'd pay to see that.

2Speaker 2
33:39.10 – 33:58.78

But there will always be that pushback of, because I think any kind of new technology also creates that sense of like, well, there's nothing at stake here. When I watch Escape from L.A. and Snake, Plissken is surfing alongside Peter Fonda. And it's clearly a computer-generated wave. It's like no one's risking their lives. Making this movie. This isn't exciting.

1Speaker 1
33:58.96 – 34:00.78

They're risking their careers, they're risking their careers.

2Speaker 2
34:01.10 – 34:01.80

That is true.

1Speaker 1
34:02.36 – 34:03.86

Credibility is the only thing at risk.

2Speaker 2
34:03.86 – 34:09.06

But yeah, and then you see there's always pushback, and then the same thing will happen with comedy.

1Speaker 1
34:09.28 – 34:35.44

Someone told me that in the new Oppenheimer film that he didn't want to use, the director didn't want to use any CGI to create. What we all know is the explosion of the first atomic bomb. So instead, use, like hundreds of thousands of sticks of dynamite. And you think, Okay, I actually, it would have been. I mean, I haven't seen it yet, I don't know what it looks like, but there was a commitment to no. This really has to look, this has to look real in some way.

2Speaker 2
34:36.00 – 34:37.08

Although, by the way.

1Speaker 1
34:37.12 – 34:39.68

I think 7,000 people were killed making that movie.

2Speaker 2
34:40.36 – 34:41.22

I'll go see that.

1Speaker 1
34:41.38 – 34:42.34

Yeah, I'll see that.

2Speaker 2
34:43.74 – 35:08.98

Sometimes now, the cost of CGI at the level that movies like that want to do it at, it's actually prohibitive cost-wise, and it's cheaper to do. The real effect in Tenet. When that plane crashes into the airport, that was going to be done CGI, and it's all done with a real plane and real explosives. Because it was cheaper to shoot the real thing, a CGI thing would have cost way too much money and it was quicker to do it that way. Because they're just we set up our cameras and we got to shoot this.

35:09.14 – 35:16.64

We got to get this in this take. Whereas with CGI, it would have taken an extra six months and all this extra money and all these extra crew people. And he's like, let's just shoot the thing.

1Speaker 1
35:16.64 – 35:31.94

I love the image of the CGI guys going well. Here's what it's going to cost and good luck. Wait, you did what? We just bought a 747 and we packed it with explosives and we hired a guy to kill himself and drive it into an airport.

2Speaker 2
35:32.62 – 35:58.10

We set up a bunch of cameras and crossed our fingers. I mean, that's by the way, I love. I do love watching old, I mean, I'm a big. I have the criterion channel and turner classic movies because I'm a film geek, and I also love watching old movies, especially old stunts. Even like movies in the seventies, where you're like, someone almost died and stunt work back then was okay. Here we go, hope no one dies.

1Speaker 1
35:58.10 – 36:04.68

A car chase in bullet is one of those things where you're watching it and you think, I think someone did lose their life in the making of that.

2Speaker 2
36:05.16 – 36:27.04

But it's one thing to have a chase like that. In Bullet, which was a major studio movie, I'm talking, even the B-level drive-in movies, people were almost dying. There's a Joe Don Baker movie called Framed. And there is a stunt where a train hits a car and a guy has to jump out of the car before the train hits it.

36:27.04 – 36:40.38

And it is when you see it, you'll know it. It's that that dude almost died. Like he barely gets out of the car, clearly something's going wrong, and then as he's jumping, the car explodes and the fireball kind of engulfs him for a second.

36:40.38 – 36:59.08

And then he gets out of it and they just left it on film, and that was stunts back then. Well, hope we don't die. And before the stunt, when the car makes a right in the background, you can see the entire crew is all sitting on bleachers. Because they want to watch this. Like, this guy's about to die.

36:59.20 – 37:09.86

This is going to be great. Like they just shot this movie, so yes, for bullet, you're like, this is a major movie. Steve McQueen huge star, of course, but this is like Joe Don Baker. We're shooting this in two weeks down in North Carolina.

1Speaker 1
37:09.88 – 37:17.36

So they told the guy, you're going to get stalled in front of a train. Your job is just to get out before the train hits.

2Speaker 2
37:17.36 – 37:42.58

But really, wait till the last second if you can, and we're just going to run a frigging train at this. Look up Joe Don Baker frame, and it says, like, the most dangerous stunt you've ever seen. And by also even in comic, you ever see. Used cars, Robert Zemeckis Used cars. There's a scene there's a dude like walking across a road drunk, and this car is zooming up and barely misses him.

37:42.66 – 37:54.18

And it's done as a joke because the actor is doing this just walking around drunk, but he's just improving it. If he had gone the wrong way, the car would have killed him. It's in the middle of a comedy, you're like, Oh God, that guy almost died.

1Speaker 1
37:54.46 – 38:05.88

Do you remember there was a film with Lee Horstley called Sword and the Sorcerer? And the Bad Guy? Does a High fall off a cliff? And he died, but they left it in the film, they left it in, yeah, and it's his death.

38:05.88 – 38:07.06

Fall is in the movie.

2Speaker 2
38:07.28 – 38:15.66

Because that's what he signed up for. And in that culture back then, it was like, that's how I want to go, leave that in, that's how I'd want to die. It's nuts.

1Speaker 1
38:16.54 – 38:22.28

Maybe afterwards, if they were alive for eight seconds, they were like, don't leave that in.

38:23.92 – 38:26.24

Their teeth are coming through their chest cavity.

2Speaker 2
38:26.88 – 38:27.52

Take that.

1Speaker 1
38:27.58 – 38:30.64

Okay, here we go. Oh, this is fantastic. Okay, here we go. I love this.

2Speaker 2
38:30.94 – 38:32.62

Visual bit on a podcast, but you can look this up.

1Speaker 1
38:32.62 – 38:33.96

That's all right. Some of this is on video.

2Speaker 2
38:34.00 – 38:34.78

Look it up, fuckers.

1Speaker 1
38:37.22 – 38:42.90

Oh, I'm so happy right now. Showdown, look at him. These guys both auditioned to be Duke boys.

38:46.68 – 38:56.48

Oh my God, what in the hell? He catches fire, his leg catches fire. Don't you get the sense that he also slows his roll so he can be a little closer?

38:56.80 – 38:58.80

Yes, God, that was fantastic.

2Speaker 2
38:59.00 – 39:06.70

I mean, and again, by the way, yeah, you can see at one point, you can see the crew is all lined up in the background watching this. But like.

1Speaker 1
39:07.32 – 39:13.60

Oh, oh, he's fine, you know what? That guy got a hundred dollars?

2Speaker 2
39:13.76 – 39:19.34

Yeah, he got a hundred dollars, yeah, and maybe they comped his room.

1Speaker 1
39:20.02 – 39:20.38

Wow.

2Speaker 2
39:20.68 – 39:36.76

Yeah, but like you watch a lot of Australian action films from the 80s, especially like The Road Warrior. There are stunts in that movie. That at the time they were saying, Oh, no, it was all in the editing because they were right. Trying to work in Hollywood, but then there's a documentary about the making of, and there's people just getting racked up.

1Speaker 1
39:36.90 – 39:37.88

And the Philippines, too.

2Speaker 2
39:38.32 – 39:40.44

Oh, the Philippine stuff, oh my Lord.

1Speaker 1
39:40.44 – 39:41.62

Where they would just do anything.

2Speaker 2
39:41.84 – 39:42.74

Yeah, people would do anything.

1Speaker 1
39:42.74 – 40:15.90

The biggest thing I notice is editing movies particularly, and TV shows are edited so tightly that there's hardly any air. And I find it fascinating to go back and look at a show like a late 70s massive hit show, like, say, a Chips or something like that. And literally a guy will drive up. My job is to drive up in a car and meet with you in a parking lot, and so I drive up in a car. And it's supposed to be a tense scene. And I'm here to talk to, you know, Patton Oswalt, and tell him to back off my territory, or I'll kill him.

40:16.24 – 40:35.14

I pull up and I get out of my car, I unhook the belt, get out of my car, shut the door and then start walking. And I parked like 15 feet, 20 feet from you, and they show me walking all the way over to you. And you know, you look at how today the editing is.

40:35.14 – 41:05.48

So take another frame out, take another frame out, and what we're seeing, everything is so hyper compressed that. I know that when I watched Late Night with David Letterman shows that I had been watching, and, you know, adoring in the 80s. When I went back and looked at them later on, I was like, Huh? It's slower than I remember, and it's quieter than I remembered. And there's more like, it's not this explosion of fireworks. And I know that okay things. The pace ramped up.

41:05.60 – 41:21.92

If you look at the arc on our show, I know the pace ramped up. But I bet you people are going to go back later and say, this feels slow to me. This slipknot fit and I remember us thinking like, this is so much faster than what anyone used to do, but I think we've hyper compressed everything.

2Speaker 2
41:22.18 – 41:38.10

We think that interesting equals spectacle, whereas interesting can be. Two people just having this really cool conversation that doesn't necessarily pop, it's got to pop pop, pop, pop, pop, pop pop, no, just let two people actually have this weird, interesting conversation in it.

41:38.10 – 41:53.14

But no one has time for that anymore because you can watch all of your all of YouTube is 20 Craziest Moments. It's like there's no lead up anymore, it's just all. Don't you want just the marshmallow things from Lucky Charms? You can have them all now, you don't need all the cereal bit.

41:53.30 – 42:12.56

Like we all, and so we've lost those moments of. Sometimes. The reason that the best dub clips are such huge laughs is because they came after a long time of silence. And then there was that explosion, but all they want now is the explosion, and it's like, Wait, there's. I was doing punch-up on a movie, I'm not going to say which one because it was terrible.

42:12.88 – 42:32.36

But the director showed me, and the punch-up writers, they showed, he showed me the last shot. Remember that scene from Bringing up Baby? Where she goes up and he's doing the dinosaur skeleton, and then he catches her. She slips and instead of trying to save the skeleton, he saves her, but the whole skeleton collapses. And it's this beautiful, it's an amazing shot.

42:32.64 – 42:33.40

And it's really startling.

1Speaker 1
42:33.54 – 42:33.82

And he's like,-.

2Speaker 2
42:34.28 – 42:48.56

Cary Grant and Katherine Hepburn. And he's like, I want every shot of my movie to have this boom, boom, boom, boom. And I was like, Well, the reason that shot is so memorable and is so effective is because it comes after just bantering. And do these people hate each other? do they not?

42:48.66 – 43:00.88

But oh, he decides to save her. And it. Yes, it's a great vision, but if you do every shot like that, it won't be special. And he was like, No, every shot, bam bam, bam, bam bam. And the movie was horrible, it was comedy, and it just didn't work.

43:00.88 – 43:03.54

Because he wanted it to all be that scene. I was like, Dude.

1Speaker 1
43:03.68 – 43:08.74

Let's see a major Hollywood film comedy that didn't work. Wait, that really narrows it down.

2Speaker 2
43:09.04 – 43:13.76

Yeah, it's you'll be able to put it together, you'll I think you'll be able to suss that one out.

1Speaker 1
43:13.78 – 43:15.10

Was it Joe Don Baker in the frame?

43:17.38 – 43:18.08

Now it's-.

2Speaker 2
43:18.14 – 43:24.52

Okay, by the way, speaking of stunts in the seventies, I did Brooke Shields podcast. Can I talk about the podcast on this one? Yeah, of course, okay.

1Speaker 1
43:24.62 – 43:33.02

As long as it's not Brooke Shields, she and I have major beef. I'm the only one with major beef. Conan was up for the role in Blue Lagoon, Yeah.

43:33.20 – 43:33.56

Oh, no.

2Speaker 2
43:33.80 – 43:34.58

Dude, I'm sorry.

1Speaker 1
43:34.70 – 43:35.32

That's all right.

2Speaker 2
43:36.02 – 43:46.70

Well, I go, you know, you got to do some of the really gnarly Seventies movie making, and I go in King of the Gypsies. You're in a car and the car crashes and she goes, Oh, my god, you remember that? I go? Yeah.

43:46.86 – 44:06.04

Because it just, if I'm not mistaken, it's just a dude is sitting in the backseat filming and you and Eric are in this car. And it just gets t-boned. She goes, Yeah, that's pretty much what it was, the director was in the backseat and our car gets t-boned. And I go, What kind of stunt rigging did they do? and she goes, Oh, right, before we shot it, the stunt man came over to me and said, you should put your seatbelt on.

44:06.90 – 44:11.92

It's like, three in the morning in Central Park. Yeah, she's a teenager. Oh yeah, put your seatbelt on, okay?

44:12.12 – 44:16.56

And then goes back to his seat. I'm a professional stunt coordinator. I got to make sure everyone's okay.

1Speaker 1
44:17.06 – 44:19.46

I got to make sure the 16 year old's all right.

2Speaker 2
44:19.54 – 44:37.36

It's not going to die in the scene. Yeah, unbelievable. Now. I'm not saying we have to go back to risking people's lives, but I think that people will always hunger for actual human emotion again. Succession just, you know, was the biggest show, had no marquee stars in it, but it was amazing acting, amazing writing.

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Word will get around about that. Yes, people will go. You can't believe this show. It starts off really slow, but my God, does it pay off?

1Speaker 1
44:45.36 – 44:57.10

And also, I mean, yes, such great acting, but good Lord, that writing, the most masterful writing, and so many lines, so many quotable, beautiful lines in succession.

2Speaker 2
44:57.10 – 45:03.24

And so many real lines where you're like, Yeah, that is the world right now, as painful as this is to listen to, that's the world.

1Speaker 1
45:03.84 – 45:29.48

Now I want to end up in this nice place, which is to say something. This work you've done Minor Threats, which is in bookstores and it's available nationwide. Yeah, like you have, I know that you have these passions for comics, and you get to do that. You get to be in that world, you get to make this stuff that you used to stand in line hoping to meet someone like you.

2Speaker 2
45:29.52 – 45:42.68

Well, I used to. I stood in line for three hours to meet Neil Gaiman back in 1993 in San Francisco to get my season of Mists hardcover signed. And now I'm Matthew the Raven in The Sandman Show on Netflix.

1Speaker 1
45:43.00 – 45:43.48

That's insane.

2Speaker 2
45:43.62 – 46:04.28

So that kind of I always I remember this quote from John John Waters is a great person to pattern your life after. Because he's like, I work hard at my stuff so that I don't have to work with people I don't want to work with. And I can just do the stuff that I like. And it also gives me because a lot of the stuff that I like to do is not going to make me any money. It's not going to increase my fame, but it's really interesting.

46:06.02 – 46:28.50

So doing minor threats? No. Writing comics does not make you a lot of money, but it's a blast, it's so fun to do. You write the script, then you get the rough pencils, then you get the inks, and then you get the. I mean, the whole process. To me, I could do it all day, and so I'm lucky enough that I worked hard enough as a standup. And I go and do movies, and I can go do comics and the comics that I put out.

46:28.50 – 46:42.70

Now I go with companies like Dark Horse and where it's all creator owned, I own it. If something happens with it, it's mine I'm not having to worry about. Well, this company needs these things and these things, and I have to do stuff.

46:43.00 – 47:02.38

I don't want to do a one for me, one for them within a project I'm doing. I'm okay doing a one for me, one for them overall. But to split up your own project. Doing that, that drives me. That would drive me crazy, like, I have this great story to tell. Okay, but you gotta put the Shazam movie's coming out, so you gotta put Shazam in there.

47:04.76 – 47:06.34

So I never had to do that.

1Speaker 1
47:06.64 – 47:07.58

You don't have to compromise.

2Speaker 2
47:09.36 – 47:21.38

Also, I'm just happy that I'm not a car guy, I'm not a clothing guy, I don't care about to me a car. I don't see the outside of it. As long as it gets me where I'm going, I could care less what it is. So all that money, I don't put any money into that.

47:21.38 – 47:34.62

I don't own a house, George Carlin says. I don't own a house that I use to scare people with. I love that phrase, nice little house I can live in. There's no crazy nut.

47:34.72 – 47:44.12

I just keep it very small and very simple, and then you get to just enjoy everything you like. It's all you gotta do. I don't have to go hang out with people I don't want to hang out with, it's all people I love.

47:44.54 – 47:49.56

Occasionally, you have to do, like a podcast, to like, sell the comic, and that's a slog.

1Speaker 1
47:49.56 – 47:59.96

But otherwise, it's a hang out with two assholes you don't want to see. You know what I'm saying, Hey Patton, I could talk to you for 35 hours.

2Speaker 2
48:00.22 – 48:02.88

I could honestly talk to you way too long.

1Speaker 1
48:03.08 – 48:08.60

It is a just, it's just a happening. When you're here, it means a lot to me. Thank you.

2Speaker 2
48:09.08 – 48:27.62

Remember, you came, I was, I'm sorry that I'm saying this. We were in the Soho house and you came up. You were bringing your wife and daughter to breakfast. And I had brought my daughter there because they had a kid's activity day, so she was. But I was up at the bar at the Soho house and I was reading the second volume of the Lyndon Johnson Biography by Robert Caro.

48:27.78 – 48:29.36

And you went, Of course, you're reading that.

1Speaker 1
48:30.64 – 48:38.36

You know, that's what celebrities do in their downtime they go to a bar and read Robert Caro's Lazy Sunday reading.

48:40.92 – 48:48.62

He's just reading Master of the Senate, which basically, you can't fire an A15 bullet through it, exactly.

2Speaker 2
48:48.80 – 48:49.78

Yeah, it's that thick.

1Speaker 1
48:49.90 – 49:00.72

Yeah, they actually. There are many tanks now in the military that are just covered in Robert Caro books. All right, go with God. Yes, always.

2Speaker 2
49:00.74 – 49:01.22

Thank you.

1Speaker 1
49:11.14 – 49:29.12

Gourley I want to address something that I feel badly about, which is your birthday. You turned 50 recently. Yeah, I had thought of this idea for a gift and went looking for it and found it. And I threw my assistant David hopping, and man, that guy's a great assistant.

49:29.42 – 49:34.46

Okay, anyway, he was trained by a really great assistant, so it makes sense. Oh, really.

49:34.60 – 49:50.82

Yeah, who did you get to do that? So the point is, ordered this set of something for you vintage? And I thought, this is really cool. And time goes by and I think it's going to get there in time for your birthday. And then it doesn't, then there seems to be some kind of issue.

49:51.06 – 49:56.36

And then David Hopping tells me today that there's like a postal service investigation going on.

2Speaker 2
49:56.36 – 49:58.42

About this thing that I ordered for you.

1Speaker 1
49:58.64 – 50:14.18

So I don't know if that means these things are gone, if they were stolen, or what's happening. But the first thing David said to me today was there's a Postal service investigation into trying to track this birthday gift down for you. Did you send me a bunch of severed hands again?

2Speaker 2
50:14.52 – 50:14.82

Yes.

1Speaker 1
50:15.14 – 50:24.50

How did you know I don't need those anymore? I'm good. Yeah, Matt, I got you a gift too. And then there was also an investigation and it just disappeared. No.

50:24.50 – 50:29.96

This is what I wanted to talk about, I don't know what happened. This is what I wanted to talk about. Oh my god, my assistant got you a gift and I forgot.

2Speaker 2
50:30.30 – 50:31.38

I don't know where it went.

1Speaker 1
50:31.50 – 50:41.92

No, I love that you have an assistant, Sona. This is why I'm bringing this up. Is that this sounds? Where is David hopping? Isn't he here somewhere? See if you can find him?

50:42.18 – 50:47.44

I want him to verify this. I don't buy this if you can. This smacks of a lie. That's the problem.

50:47.72 – 50:52.44

Lie from David or someone else? No from me. Oh yeah, it sounds like, Yeah, you're definitely lying.

50:52.68 – 51:06.20

Because, well, no, I'm not, but it is. I mean, first of all, it's a stretch for someone of my stature to be getting you a gift, so that's a stretch in the first place, right? Who would think I would ever do that, you know, okay?

2Speaker 2
51:06.28 – 51:07.76

That's not something I would do.

1Speaker 1
51:08.08 – 51:18.72

Okay, David's on his way, so I don't know, I just worry that, I worry that you don't believe me. And then Sona picks right up on that and says that it's a lie. And that's why I need David to come in here and straighten this out.

51:18.72 – 51:32.42

I've just never heard of a Post Office investigation, it just sounds very cagey. And so, I mean, I think I could just say that I got him a gift and it got lost in the mail. Oopsie Daisy, I know you didn't get me a gift.

51:33.10 – 51:40.18

How do you know that he got you a gift? I don't, and I'm trying to figure out whether I believe him or not. Yeah, then how do you know I did it? because?-?

51:40.18 – 51:49.80

Now I'm starting, you know what, I'm starting to now doubt whether or not I got you a gift. Oh my god, I'm thinking it over, and I'm thinking that maybe I didn't get you a gift. Oh no.

51:50.00 – 51:57.86

But I've been covering up for it so long that I now believe the lie that's now. Well, give me a hint, What are these things? Give me a hint.

51:57.92 – 52:04.50

You said they're plural, they're things, you know, maybe I should just tell you what I got you. I think I should tell you what I got you, I don't know.

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I'm gonna tell you what I got. No, I'm gonna tell you what I got you. I'm gonna tell you what I got you. Come on, step in, David, Can you get on mic please?

52:10.78 – 52:18.16

Yeah, that one. It also could be that David didn't order them or David kept them, so let me catch David because I don't know if he's been listening.

52:18.60 – 52:29.52

I'm apologizing to Gourley that his birthday present never came. And then you this morning tell me what the news you gave me this morning. So there's an investigation, an investigation by WHO ups.

52:29.74 – 52:39.76

Ups, I got an email and a voicemail about it. Really, this is the next big true crime podcast. No, but listen, I think we should make this. People wanna know about our lives.

52:39.90 – 52:47.36

They're desperate to know more about us. Are they desperate? Oh yeah, no, no, I think you're desperate to have them know more about you.

52:47.52 – 52:58.58

No, no, no, I am like Aristotle Onassis, and Sona is Jackie Kennedy, and Matt Gourley is like Hubert Humphrey. They just wanna know more about us, okay, they wanna know our lives.

52:58.98 – 53:06.40

I'm gonna tell Matt what I ordered. Oh, this is fun, yeah, can I not get it? I don't think you're ever getting these, by the way.

53:07.06 – 53:24.72

But I found online, with the help of David Hopping, we found online. I think they're from the 1950s, something like that. And it's these really cool vintage cocktail glasses that have like a copper top that looks like a palm tree.

2Speaker 2
53:24.88 – 53:25.40

Like a tropical pineapple.

1Speaker 1
53:25.58 – 53:36.26

Oh, like a pineapple, yeah, very cool looking, and I thought, Oh, this would be so neat for you to have in your house. And then for summer s'mores, we could drink out of them.

53:36.36 – 53:49.34

But these are classic, like you wanna show the picture, and I'm bringing it up now because I don't know where these things are. Ups, I have no idea. If he's not lying, you better get your shit together and deliver them to me.

53:49.38 – 54:01.74

What it might not have been ups is, I don't wanna blame ups, because, first of all, that's a powerful, big organization. They might advertise on this podcast, right? Do they? If they want to, they better give me my goddamn glasses.

54:02.10 – 54:08.40

Is that why you don't wanna criticize them? I thought, you know, I'm very. I'm a supplicant to all major businesses.

2Speaker 2
54:08.64 – 54:08.98

Okay.

1Speaker 1
54:09.26 – 54:22.28

They don't even advertise. I just show respect to any large company or corporation, no matter what they do. I mean, they could be defense contractors. And I'm like, Hey man, more power to you, keep making those landmines.

54:22.40 – 54:29.98

I don't care. This episode is brought to you by if a company is making a lot of money. BlACKWELL I will bow to them. Did David actually order the David? You could be on it.

54:30.34 – 54:35.56

Are you lying? It's okay. If you are, I'm not lying. Here. I have everyone hold on.

2Speaker 2
54:35.72 – 54:36.26

Oh, wow.

1Speaker 1
54:36.30 – 54:40.98

I've never seen David snap like that. Okay, luster, I got this email, Hello David.

54:41.24 – 54:54.32

I hope you're having a nice day. I'm emailing in regards to your recent order of the mid-century pineapple cocktail jars. I'm sorry to hear that you have not received the piece. Our logistics team is currently working with the carrier to start an investigation to determine the whereabouts.

54:54.50 – 55:01.54

This usually takes eight days to complete. Show me a picture, hold on, I want to see a picture. I just want to hear your bullshit legalese.

55:01.82 – 55:09.22

That's not UPs, though. That's the person who sold it to you. The person who sold it to you is lying. They took your money and they're not giving it to you, and then they're going to blame UPs.

55:09.74 – 55:23.86

So not, I would do it, I would do that. The weird thing is that, like, I got a thing that's we know, you would do anything. I mean, I think, if we were talking about, yeah, you know. I stole a car last night and I took it for parts and now I'm going to chop it up.

55:24.28 – 55:33.58

You'd be like, I'd do that, I'd do that. You're a terrible, terrible person here. Buy my Pineapple glasses and then I'll ship these to you. Oops, they got lost.

2Speaker 2
55:33.60 – 55:35.14

Did you steal my pineapple glasses?

1Speaker 1
55:35.46 – 55:41.16

Zoom in, zoom in. Here, can we? How do we get a good shot of these? How do we get a good shot of these? They're very cool looking, whoa.

55:41.66 – 55:48.58

Whoa, no, that's just all you can see. Is the cockpit here, Why don't you get here? Let me get closer, there you go, oh.

55:48.66 – 55:55.32

Oh, wow, I mean, aren't those cool? And we got you four? Oh, that would be amazing.

55:55.32 – 56:03.60

That would be amazing because the drinks I'm going to make for Chilchems are kind of tropical. Yes, I thought these would be perfect for you, and guess what, they're not cheap.

56:03.74 – 56:11.26

This was a very nice gift and I think an incredible gesture on my part, right? David? Yep, thank you. well anyway, I appreciate you. But that's pending delivery.

56:11.78 – 56:27.20

I'm going to say thank you with an asterisk until I'm sipping out of these boys. Yeah, you can't, you can't force Matt to thank you for a gift you haven't given him yet. You're guilty. I just showed you a photo, I showed you a photograph of a gift that I intended to give you before it went missing.

56:27.54 – 56:37.70

So I think I get a big thank you. I will say, thank you, that is very nice of you. Don't thank him yet, Matt, you can't thank him yet.

56:37.94 – 56:43.18

You don't have him. I've been told I have to rescind that. Thank you. Yeah, you don't have him yet.

2Speaker 2
56:43.28 – 56:44.66

You can't force him to thank you for a gift that's lost.

1Speaker 1
56:44.66 – 57:03.74

Let me be clear about something, I'm going to do you a favor. Sona Sona in no way was impugning the shipping company or the company that sold us. These are companies, and as I said, I love all companies, whether they make liquid, nitrogen or plutonium, whether their job is to destroy the planet or not.

57:03.90 – 57:08.14

If it's a company that makes money, I'm all for them.

57:09.88 – 57:23.58

Yay companies, yay companies, yay companies, is the slogan of Conan O'Brien. I don't care what the body count is or the damage to the planet. Yay companies.

57:24.58 – 57:33.42

All right, so there we have it. This is now a true crime podcast. We have our crime, which is the missing four mid-century.

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Pineapple cocktail glasses. This is a real mystery. We don't know what's going to happen and we'll keep you posted. And this is, I mean, I think a nation is gripped by this unsolved crime. Cereal Season 12..

57:49.18 – 57:54.36

Did you get me a gift? SONA Yeah, sorry, yes, pineapple.

57:55.20 – 58:08.10

The gift of employment. He just got you a bunch of pineapples. Yeah, I got you real pineapples, and they're rotting fast. All right, we'll keep you posted. Conan O'Brien needs a friend.

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58:25.20 – 58:25.90

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58:28.60 – 58:47.28

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