Andrew Tate

Hey, it's Tucker Carlson. Imagine being a sixth grade boy in the United States right now. What are you hearing at school? What are they telling you on the internet? Well, they're telling you to stop being yourself, sit still, stop joking, suppress your aggression, share your feelings, obey.

That's a really good question. I'm charged with being the head of an organized criminal group, which is in charge of.

recruiting girls to make TikTok videos to steal the money from the TikTok views.

Recruiting girls to make TikTok videos and stealing the money. So it's really a financial crime?

It looks that way. And it's very interesting because the girls who they've identified to add to the file are saying that we're not victims of anything, and this isn't true. But the state believes it's true. And the state thinks that I, as a 35-year-old man, woke up. I was already extremely financially successful.

So. in the United States, I think the belief is that you were charged with human trafficking.

Yeah, that's human trafficking, because what you do is you force a girl to work against her will for financial gain. That's human trafficking. And their justification for this is that girls do TikTok. Some girls I know who they found who say they're not victims have TikTok accounts.

How do you force someone to do TikTok videos?

I guess the prosecutor is going to have to explain that, isn't he? It's a very interesting scenario. I'm in. And I'm inside of Romania. So I have to show a degree of respect to the Romanian judicial system.

There's a group of us.

I'm the head of it. My brother is below me.

And we use the loverboy method to convince women to do TikTok videos, to make money, so that we can steal the TikTok money.

So there's no, just to be clear, you are not accused of pandering, of pimping, of forcing women to have sex with anybody.

No, not forcing them to have sex, not restraining their movement, not stopping them from living.

a full life. But the fact that we are somehow convincing them to have TikTok.

Very interesting.

I don't think.

But there's no actual, I'm asking you this because I do think it's a widespread belief that you were accused of pimping.

Yeah, well, that's nothing to do with any of this case. Absolutely nothing. And it's kind of scary because the crime in itself of human trafficking is a unique one, because they can ignore the statement of the victim. So the girls have come forward and said, this is insane. You've just picked us because we're near Andrew and we're his friends.

And they've chosen them. And of course, these girls do nothing pornographic. They've never had sex with anyone, nothing to do with that.

So they've picked TikTok.

So it's scary.

Imagine you're a full-grown man anywhere in the world today.

They can find two girls who have TikTok on their phone, which is every single female on the planet, and they can accuse you of forcing them to take the TikTok money. And even if the girls say this, isn't true, that you're still a human trafficker.

But force, what does that consist of? Forcing someone to do something. Are they accusing you of using violence?

No, they're accusing me.

And this thing, they're accusing me of using the lover boy method, coercing them by being.

nice.

And, by the way, these charges presumably are public.

So they're public and this is extremely serious.

But if you actually analyze the overall case against me, they're saying that Andrew and his brother, by being nice men, convinced girls to have TikTok accounts and then take the money. And it's very interesting because inside of the entire case file, there's not a single financial transaction to us for money.

What are the penalties?

They're extremely severe. Five to 10 years in jail. And I've already served, coming up now, seven months in a form of jail.

So you are essentially incarcerated right now.

Absolutely. I'm on house arrest. And that counts as jail. You can only be held six months without charge. I was initially picked up, thrown in a cell without charge.

They'd call up ex-girlfriends and say, if you have anything bad to say about Andrew, we can pay you $50,000 for the story.

They tried very hard. They didn't find any evidence of anything.

How long did you spend in jail?

I was in jail for 92 days in a Romanian jail cell. What was that like? It was certainly an interesting experience.

Did you know why you were there?

Not initially.

So for about the first two weeks, I never actually got told in English what I was accused of, because I was arrested on December 29th.

There's New Year's Eve. What were the circumstances of that?

Yeah.

December 29th, 5 a.

What did you do? I mean, did you make, who'd you call?

I had a lawyer and my lawyer came and he said, we need to analyze the case file.

We need to see what they have against you.

You're being accused of human trafficking.

Human trafficking? That's insane.

Who?

When?

What?

I went to jail and then I was given all this paper in Romanian.

I don't speak Romanian, although I live here. And then I was waiting for the translation. So I think it's about two weeks before I finally got the papers in English to understand why I was in a jail cell. And then I really understood how insane the accusations were.

What is human trafficking?

Yeah.

So the overall, my understanding of it, they're saying that human trafficking is when you convince a woman to do something she doesn't want to do for financial gain. And there's different methods you can do that. You can do that through force, and you can also do that through emotional coercion.

I think most people, just speaking from the American perspective, most people believe that human trafficking is effectively slavery, selling human beings.

And that's what I believe as well. Absolutely. And this is the thing that's so interesting. When you finally end up the enemy of the matrix and they use the legal system as a weapon to punish you for having an opinion, you realize how subjective the law is, right? Because it can be a weapon.

So if they sit and say, ah, human trafficking, is a woman doing something for financial gain against her will via emotional coercion. Well, he knows these two girls, they have TikTok accounts.

Emotional coercion?

Convincing her. That's what I'm accused of, because they have no proof of me doing anything wrong.

So they said, he's convinced these girls to do TikTok for money.

The girls have said, themselves, have said, this is not true. And the state is denying their statement, saying, no, you're brainwashed, it is true.

So how is the state, so? the state is trying to coerce the women. So how is the state not committing human trafficking by the same definition?

Absolutely. It's very interesting. It's very interesting that you can sit someone down and tell them they're a victim when they say they're not a victim.

You're a victim of being coerced and we're going to try to coerce you into conceding. you were coerced.

Exactly. Exactly. It's a very interesting scenario.

Okay.

Yeah.

It's a very interesting scenario.

And I would, it's. up until this point, no judge has looked at the evidence of the case. So up until this point, I've been to court a bunch of times, but the only reason I was in court was to discuss my preventative detention. So under Romanian law, if you, being free, can impede the investigation, you should stay in jail. So the judge agreed that, yeah, maybe if he's free, he can damage this investigation, because they're trying very hard to get something on this guy.

You're aware of the media coverage of this, however. So you're in jail for 90 days or more, and the rest of the world is talking about you. Do you know what they're saying?

They're saying very heinous things and I would hate to come across as a conspiracy.

theorist, Tucker, but I kind of have a feeling that this might be something to do with my influence and an attempt to slander my name. Perhaps I'm crazy. But the fact that they chose such a heinous crime and they report it so heavily and they won't shut up and keep repeating basically a slander attack day after day after day. Also considering the fact that other people who genuinely commit heinous crimes have far more favorable press coverage.

I don't want you to think I'm a conspiracy theorist. Please, Tucker, I would hate for you to come here and call me crazy. But something very strange about it.

And I think the.

What, when Jeffrey Epstein's friends call you immoral? Yeah.

The goal of it is certainly to slander my name, and I like to see it as a litmus test.

I like to see it as an intelligence test. Anybody who wakes up and looks at me and goes, he's a human trafficker because of TikTok, they're fully gone.

Hey,

A lot of it happens here.

That's what's so crazy about it. Right. What's so crazy is if they really want to find a human trafficker, I think they could.

probably do it quite easily. But they managed to get me.

That's certainly the perception. But it's, it's one of those charges that kind of sells itself.

Oh, absolutely. And it doesn't matter if you're found guilty or not. Right. You're a human trafficker forever.

And but I do think that public consciousness is changing.

I think with things like the. there's been some very large court cases recently involving some very famous people, in which women were caught lying, trying to slander men's names for rape and these kinds of things.

And I don't think people believe it anymore.

But that scares me to a degree, because I think that the typical weapon, the standardized playbook, is now failing. I don't know what the new playbook is going to be. It's almost like better the devil, you know, that you're too famous.

You're too successful. We, don't, like you. Call him a rapist or human trafficker. Put him all over the news, slander his name, try and wreck his life. Now that nobody believes it, what's, what's the next move?

Wouldn't it just have been easier to commit like a massive financial crime and defraud people of billions, come up with like a fake cryptocurrency, call it, like, I don't know, FTX, or just give a name to it. Yeah, something. And then, you know, steal billions. Yeah. Get your parents involved and buy a bunch of real estate in the Bahamas.

And I would have certainly made a lot more money than TikTok, because I don't think TikTok even pays you for views.

And if it certainly does, I never got a single transaction from it.

So it's a very interesting scenario. But if I was accused of a financial crime, my name would not be slandered.

No. Well, of course not. You have the presumption of innocence. So just back to the jail thing. So you're in with your brother.

At the beginning, I was not.

But towards the end, I was.

Yeah. What did you do all day?

It's a good question. I looked at the wall, stared at the wall, smoked cigarettes, lots of pushups, read the Quran.

You smoked cigarettes, did pushups and read the Quran?

Basically, yes. And certainly had some introspective moments, tried my best to get out, tried my best to buy my small phone calls, understand what's happening in the outside world, tried to make sure that the people I love and care about are taken care of, because I'm the man of my family and I'm also the man of quite a large, I wouldn't say empire, but life. And there's a whole lot of people who rely on me. You know, you have staff and families, you have children and families. So when you're plucked from that, it's kind of strange.

I have duties as a man. I don't want children to starve.

We've got a whole tribe.

I've got people to pay. So it was very, very frustrating, constantly trying to make sure everybody else was okay.

and feeling helpless. That's what hurt me the most. I was trying to make sure everybody I love and care about was fine. And I wasn't as powerful as I should have been. And that was very upsetting.

Did you ever come to the edge at all?

No, I certainly had some days. I was less happy than others, but I made sure that my mindset was built in a way that I could always be doing something constructive. And also, I think you get what you give in life. And if I ever felt particularly sad on a day, I would try very hard to make other people happy, because if I made other people smile, I'd feel better. So even the dinner ladies, or the prison guards, I'd try very hard just to make people smile.

They were like, hey, bro, your hair looks amazing.

And he'd just stare at me like he wanted to. Shut up.

But I just try my best to cheer people up, to cheer myself up. And as a man, all you can do is just find the resolve to continue doing the best you can in the current circumstance.

What were the other prisoners like?

I don't want to insult Romania in any way. And I love this country. And I chose to live here. But if I had to describe it for an American audience to understand, I don't think Romania and a lot of these countries have the same kind of mental health setup or the mental health support that a lot of Western nations have. So you end up in jail.

Oh, so it's horrifying.

Yeah. I don't want to go back.

You hear the phrase Romanian prison, and it sounds tough. So it was what you would imagine.

It is. And when this process is over, there's a lot more I will say.

But I will say the staff were very nice to me.

And I want to make this clear. I want to make it very clear that all the staff in the jail were very professional and very nice to me. I would almost say that they believed I was innocent and they understood that I didn't belong there. There was a semi-apologetic vibe to the way I was treated by the guards, if that makes sense. They understood very well.

Well, the fact that you're not accused of a sex crime or a violence, which I think most people don't really understand, and they can look it up, but you're not actually accused of rape, selling anyone, pimping. That right there, raises a lot of questions.

Yeah, and this is the thing that's so interesting, because I'm accused of using a method of human.

trafficking called the lover boy method. So how that would traditionally work is a man would meet a girl, become her boyfriend,

take her to another country, turn her into a prostitute, say, I love you, like pimping.

Of course.

But they're saying, because all my conversations with these girls are very nice, they're saying

that I use the lover boy method to convince them to do TikTok. And once again, I never made a penny from TikTok, and I have no interest in girls' TikTok accounts, and I've never made any money from TikTok in my life.

So that raises the question. So that right there, I think, I mean, we can let people assess. I'm not an expert on the Romanian legal code, but that's kind of not the impression that most people have.

And that's the media who have made that very, the media have tried very hard to do that. And if I had to estimate, I think that the overall intention was just to throw me in a cell, use the media machine to drum up something real.

I think that's what the goal was.

So, but what's the, and? I believe that, obviously. Yeah. One thing, I've never been to Romania before, and one thing I'm struck by is the American presence here.

Oh, it's massive.

Fully understand that. So there are three NATO bases here now. They're bustling because of the war in Ukraine. One's on the Black Sea, right below Crimea. So this is strategically important, this country, to NATO.

Oh, absolutely. Do you think that played a role?

Yeah, well, I think, and I don't want to get this incorrect, I think it's the second or third biggest U.

Ceaușescu came to New York.

Yes, that's right. Yeah. So Romania and America have been very good friends for a very long time.

I have to be careful what I say, but it's certainly very interesting what's happened.

to me. The American embassy were not particularly helpful. Let's put it that way. They weren't very interested in me being locked up without charge. They didn't seem very interested in getting me out.

But you're an American citizen. Absolutely. And so you're an American passport holder. Correct. So I think the average American believes, perhaps falsely, that if you were accused of a crime in a foreign country, particularly a less developed country like Romania, you go to the U.S.

Yeah. They came to see me, but when I was asking them what they can actually do about all of this, they weren't particularly helpful. I don't want to peddle conspiracy theories, and I've heard a lot of information, et cetera, but I wouldn't say they sanctioned it. I don't know if they had to sanction it, but they weren't particularly interested in getting me out.

But at least they came to see me more than once.

I mean, they kind of pretended to care. The U.K. embassy didn't even pretend to care.

You were a British subject as well?

And this is the kind of thing, and I want to say this here that's kind of frustrating for me, because Romania is my home now for seven years, but I'm half British, half American originally. And when something like this happens to you, you have this longing for home. You kind of want to go home. When you end up in a jail in a country where, even though you've lived for a long time, you don't speak the language, you don't understand the legal system, going to court in a foreign language is far more intimidating than in your own language.

It isn't a match.

You don't have a clue what's being said. You don't understand how anything works. And then you kind of have this longing for home, but I feel like my home countries hate me, and they hate me because of my message, which I believe to be a positive message.

So you kind of have this strange feeling of homelessness, because it's like, well, if.

I go to the U.

Where do you go?

Good question. We're going to have to see.

How did you wind up here?

I moved to Romania.

I came to visit a long time ago, before anybody ever visited Romania. I came to visit, and I genuinely fell in love with the place.

It truly is a fantastic country. I love nature. It has an amazing nature. It's a very safe place. It has this reputation of being dangerous.

The people are very good.

The people are very conservative, traditionally. It's almost like America was 20, 30 years ago. It's gorgeous.

They have a bunch of nice restaurants and plenty of things to do, and I've never had.

a problem here in any way.

I've never had any issue with the law or with the other side, criminals, nothing, until this came out of nowhere. So it's been very strange.

So what is it about your message, do you think, that infuriates certain people?

My message is traditional masculinity.

My message is to stand up and say what you mean and mean what you say. And even going to the gym nowadays is an act of defiance, because when you have a man who's built with any degree of principle, you say no to things. And I think, if I have to analyze my message and why I'm so disliked by the people who dislike me, it's not the things I'm saying. It's the fact that if you adhere to my principles and you adhere to the things I say, you end up being the kind of person who will resist certain ideas. You say no.

What kind of man never says no? Name, a man who never says no. Men say no, right?

Men, wake up and say, no, I don't think that should be done this way. No, my children will not be taught that.

It's the father's primary job. Absolutely.

So when you say to men, listen, you're allowed to have an opinion.

You're allowed to have standards. You're allowed to have boundaries and barriers. You're allowed to get up and become important and work hard and try hard and become the kind of man who can't be controlled. Then you're seen as an enemy. And especially with the massive influence I've gained, I think they look at me and go,

ah, he's helping men resist the slave programming.

We don't need him around.

We need to empty their brains so we can inject the slave programming and convince men to be eunuchs, because once you're eunuch, then you're not a threat.

I think I buy that. Because your message, I'm not the world's expert on your message, but I've seen a lot of it, and it's not explicitly political, actually.

No, it's not political at all. And their original attack before this matrix attack is they weaponized virtue, which is what they usually do. There's no genuine virtue inside of these people. They weaponize virtue. They find a virtue, and they turn it into a bullet, and they shoot at you.

Yeah, I've heard. Yeah.

I was a misogynist for the longest time just for saying that men should have standards.

If you tell a man he can have standards in a relationship in any way, you're a misogynist.

It's actually very interesting because—.

What does that mean to have standards in a relationship?

But this is the thing that's so interesting about it, because they've gendered the.

argument when I never did. I said, as a man, you shouldn't have a girlfriend who is a liar and a cheater, and you also shouldn't have male friends who are liars and cheaters.

You shouldn't be around dishonest people, male or female. And they gendered it and said, ah, he's a misogynist. He's saying that men should only act this way with women, et cetera. I said that men should have standards, and you should have protocols that you're prepared to accept, and you should have hard parameters.

And if a woman doesn't want to adhere to those parameters, that's her decision, and it's her prerogative, but you don't have to stay with her. Why should you?

What's wrong with that?

Well, that's teaching men to say no.

They don't want men to say no.

So are you arguing that it's better to be with a virtuous woman?

I think so, yes. I know that's crazy.

No, I'm serious.

I am, Tucker. I don't want to— That seems like good advice.

I don't want to come across as extreme, but yes, I am. And what's actually funny is I really believe most of the things I'm saying were accepted.

by absolutely everybody 15 years ago, 10 years ago, and now it's public enemy number one.

And it's because of the mass influence I have.

At one point, I became the most Googled man on earth, at one point.

And it's a scary situation I'm in.

If you're arguing that it's really important for a man to find a good woman, a decent woman, an honest woman, that's the truest thing that's ever been said. Absolutely. That's the most important thing any man can do. I can tell you firsthand.

Oh, thank you very much.

Being married 32 years, that's the most important thing. And you think saying that angered people?

Absolutely, because, I'm arguing, the only way to do that is via masculine excellence. I'm saying, in the world we live in today, it's hyper-competitive. And if you want to be the kind of man that has the choice of women to choose a good one, you need to be an excellent man. It's no longer acceptable for you to just be an average Joe or below average. You have to get up, and you have to work hard, and you have to be smart and interesting, and you have to be charismatic and make some money and be in good shape.

And you have to try very hard.

And unfortunately for them, if you follow that path as a man and you become successful in those realms, you end up being the kind of person who resists enslavement. You become the kind of person who wakes up and says,

no, I don't believe in that.

That doesn't make sense to me.

I can't imagine a better message than that.

If you want a good society.

So then you have to argue and sit and say, do these people want a happy, functioning society, or do they want something else?

What do you think?

I think that I would never kill myself.

And I also think that when you want to conquer a society, you kill the military age males.

That's what you do. That's the first thing they've ever done. They walk in and all the men have to have their throats cut. They can't perhaps do that, but they can certainly cut your balls off. And then you can't resist.

So, in the one interview that you and I did, you had a line that I've been thinking about ever since. I thought it was so interesting. I never thought of it before. You said that a lot of people went along with the VACs and that you didn't judge them, because VACs change. But now that we know that a lot of what we were told was wrong and some of it was a lie, it is a requirement of your own dignity, of your own self-respect, to say so.

Completely. And people should apologize.

I really do believe. And I have nothing against people who fell for the propaganda, fell for the programming of the vaccine.

Yes, I agree. Fine. But you should wake up and say, I was fooled.

I've learned my lesson. I will not be fooled again. But if you were fooled by the MSM and took the injection and you continue to be fooled and you have not self-reflected and you have not realized that they lied to you the entire way, and you now believe the new bunch of lies that are all over the television, then there's.

something wrong with you.

Or you don't care that you were lied to.

You don't care that you were lied to, because I think a lot of this is actually genuinely cowardice.

I think it's a very easy worldview. The life is easier if you accept the news tells the truth. Yes. Everything they want me to believe is true. Everything's nice and simple.

to destroy your entire worldview, everything you've ever understood and everything you're told. And you have to really look at the world and go, oh, this is a mess.

And that takes bravery. And once again, that's why they don't want men to be brave.

They want you to sit there and go, oh, it's easier if just, you know, CNN said, so it.

must be true.

And it's cowardice. And they're trying to instill cowardice in all of us. That's what they're trying very hard to do.

And I think even just me as a person, the people who hate me, my detractors who dislike me so much, even if I say nothing, I just turn up big, bald, strong, fast car.

But, you know, it's just me. I'm like the enemy to them, because I symbolize men who don't comply and not don't comply.

in a negative, law-breaking way, but don't comply. And if we don't agree with that or we don't see common sense in that, we're going to politely decline. And that's simply not allowed.

What's it like to have the prospect of prison hanging over you?

I think that I like to believe that this is a test from God. I like to believe that if you become the most Googled man in the world for saying that you have mental resilience, that God is going to make sure you don't have that degree of fame without testing you. I like to believe that God comes along and says, yes, I've allowed you to become the top G. We're going to see if you really are the top G. I believe that's how the world works.

I refuse to cry.

I refuse to be depressed about it. I'm going to wake up and I'm going to smile regardless. And regardless of what happens to me, I want everyone to know that, one, I would never kill myself. And two, I think that as a man, there's always going to be a degree of pain and suffering in your journey. I don't think you're ever going to become a successful man or be good at being a man.

without pain and suffering.

And there's many times in my life where something terrible happened to me.

And at the time, if I could change it, I would have. But retrospectively, you kind of look back and go, you know what? That was formulative for me. That's right. That is what God decided I needed to become, who I became.

And I'm proud of who I am.

So, if God decides I need to go back to a Romanian dungeon for however many days, then all I can do is accept it and accept his plan and accept that it's going to make me a better person.

So you see the hand of God in your life?

Absolutely.

I think that he is the best of planners.

And, like I said, if you retrospectively analyze all the times in life you wish you could have changed things, he knew better. And I'm going to have to accept that.

When did you conclude that?

I think I guess I always kind of knew.

I was atheistic for a while when I was younger. But as you get older, you start to look at the world and understand that the thing for me was actually, I guess, a scientific principle. It was Newton's law of equal and opposite force. If there is evil in the world, and I'd like to think we both agree, there certainly is, there has to be an equal and opposite force, which is good. And I would like to think of that as God.

If you have two islands, you have two people, let's say, a ship crashes, and you have two.

people who swim to two different islands, and one island they're atheists, savages, and they rip you apart, and the other island you get there and they believe in God and they believe they're not allowed to kill you. Even just their idea of God, God saved your life. So I think even just the concept of God in and of itself, if enough people believe and it makes them do good, then God must be true. And that's the equal and opposite force to the evil of the world. And this is how I view it.

That's such a profoundly different worldview from the one that we're presented with, I think. Do you think that's maybe the division in the West between people who see those forces at work and those who don't?

I think the West is actually split between people who think and people who don't think at all.

I think, the people, there's no such thing as these two opposing worldviews.

I think people believe, there's worldview A and worldview B. I disagree with that. I think there's worldview A, the good guys, which are primarily people who do believe in God, do have parameters, do believe in standards, do believe in self-respect, do know how to say no. And there's worldview B, which changes day by day, based on what they're told, which means.

they have no real worldview at all.

They just repeat. And they have no standards and they have no parameters. There's nothing you can tell them that will make them wake up and go, that's wrong, because they have no inherent morality. So you can, literally, you could say bestiality is accepted and encouraged. now.

And they'll sit there and go, oh, for climate change.

Oh, well, off, we go. And they'll just do it. So I think you have a camp of people who think and you have a camp of people who repeat.

And I don't think there's actually the opposing side to the good. I don't think function as a thinking populace at all. I think they simply repeat.

It feels like there's, I mean, the conflict between those two groups is getting more intense.

It's certainly getting more intense. And I, it was interesting for me because, and I want to be an optimist, but I lost so much faith in humanity during COVID.

I really, if you would have told me how COVID would have gone down before COVID, I'd say no way. We're not that bad. You know, like I thought, the people aren't that dumb, but when I experienced COVID, it's actually scary. You see how the Nazis managed to do what they did. You see how they managed to put people in concentration camps.

And I had a very unique view of COVID because in the first days of COVID, when people were

falling over in China and the Italian hospitals were overrun at the height of the panic, when.

most people believed, because it was the very beginning, early stages, my brother and I had a very logical conversation and said, we're two military age men in very good physical condition. If we die of this, the world's over.

If it can kill us, it's zombie apocalypse.

So why are we going to live in fear? So we found the only two countries that were open, which were Sweden and Belarus. We had just been to Belarus. This was before the Ukraine war. We'd just been there.

So for the first three months of COVID, during the height of lockdowns, when Florida was.

closed, when it was absolutely, I remember, yeah, when it was the craziest lockdowns globally,

me and Tristan are in Sweden in absolute freedom. They had no restrictions, no masks, no vaccine, passports, no social distancing. Nightclubs are full. Lunch, restaurants are open. Perfectly complete, normal society.

Nobody talks about this anymore.

Nobody talks about, wait, Sweden never did a thing. Everything functioned perfectly fine the entire time.

And they don't have it. Where's their masks?

Where's their illness, their winter of severe illness and death? They never had one. It's a cold country.

Never had one.

So we were living in Sweden, living completely normal lives, seeing everyone, seeing the internet and seeing this insanity.

And we're like, well, surely if we just put up a few videos of us partying in Sweden in nightclubs, this will wake people up.

People didn't want to, people ignored their own eyes.

That's the scariest thing about everything is that they can get to a level where, with the media machine, where people will genuinely ignore their own eyes. I don't understand how you can get people so brainwashed that they will see that the sky is blue and then they'll watch that the sky is green. And then they'll look at it again and go, sky's green.

It's crazy to me, but COVID proves they can do that. And that's why the war is getting so intense, because the principled people are saying, how can you still believe in the things that you're saying? Here is all the logical, empirical evidence that that is a lie.

But these people are ideologically brainwashed and they don't want to take enough. They don't have the bravery it takes to wake up and accept that they're being lied to. So they'd rather, just, to the end of time, repeat what they're told.

And it becomes more and more intense as it becomes more and more ridiculous. That's so scary. As it becomes more and more ridiculous, the more intense both sides get, right? So what the future holds, I'm not entirely sure, but I like to believe, even my current.

charges, I found solace when I was in jail, that the thinking people are looking at this going, something about this doesn't seem right.

Well, I mean, it is a little bracing. I mean, when I discovered, I mean, I was sympathetic to you already, but a man's accused of human trafficking, it's worth finding out what he's accused of. And when I discovered that there was no actual human trafficking charge, that's not actually human trafficking, I don't care what you call it, you weren't even accused of buying and selling anyone, then the next conclusion you inevitably reach is, they don't like the guy, they don't like his views, which is fine. They're going to send him to jail for that. That does seem like an escalation.

Absolutely.

But if they don't like your views and you're inspiring millions of people to resist slave programming, you become a threat.

Like, they disgust me.

But you can't send a guy to jail because you disagree with him.

You shouldn't. But even before I went to jail, the members of parliament in the UK were talking about.

me and what a dangerous role model I am for young boys.

So they launched this initiative inside of British schools to ban me. My name can't be said inside of any British school. And members of parliament were standing up in parliament saying, Andrew Tate is dangerous.

He's encouraging young boys to have misogynistic views, because I'm literally telling young men to go to the gym and to stand up for themselves and believe in themselves and believe in something.

Well, they're also pushing Weedon video games on boys.

Oh, completely.

And you can listen to rap music about killing people all day long.

And there's a whole.

That's fine.

But I'm dangerous for saying go to the gym.

And once I realized what was scary to me is, I said this to my brother, I said, once the Parliament's discussing you, you're basically considered a national security threat at this point. You're a threat to national security at that level.

And then all bets are off.

What about the UK?

So the UK has become more authoritarian than anywhere in the Persian Gulf. Correct. How did that happen?

Yeah, and, like I said, it's very interesting because people still, the people on Camp B.

who don't think, a lot of them believe that the law is fair.

I've had people say to me, oh, yeah, what they're doing to you is garbage.

You need a lawyer. Well, yeah, I do need a lawyer. And I do have a lawyer.

Thank you.

But it's not that simple, unfortunately. You know, the law is very subjective.

And if they want to attack you with it, they're going to do a very good job of attacking you.

with it.

And that's what the UK does.

The UK have these laws, which are extremely subjective, and they can use it as a weapon to basically silence anyone they decide or hurt anyone they decide.

I mean, England is the birthplace of free speech, of habeas corpus, of kind of framework of liberal democracy that we thought we believed in. Yeah. And now it's a country where people are arrested for praying.

Well, we.

What happened? Good question. And there's a saying that I heard, and I don't know who said it, but he said that a sick country adopts laws like a dying man will try medicine. And I think that the UK is failing in real time. If you look at it in any metric, whether it's living standards, whether it's crime rate, any metric you can measure the success of a country by, it's fallen off the cliff.

the people that the government doesn't like.

And I ended up being one of them. And I think Europe in general has problems. If you look at France as we speak, I think it's on fire, isn't it? Most of it.

It is.

Yeah. So they have issues.

And their answer, what's a government's solution to anything?

Law.

What can a government do?

They're not laws that are aimed at fixing the problem. that's right.

No, they're laws aimed at fixing the person who's talking about the problems.

Why don't you get rid of the guy who tells everybody? Isn't that easier, Tucker? Why fix any of this? If we just shut him up, they won't know.

But that's like responding to a heat wave by breaking your thermometer. Completely right.

That's the plan. Plan one is to break the thermometer.

We might deal with the heat wave a bit later.

We can air conditioning.

No, let's break the thermometer. For now, there's too many people talking about the heat wave. So let's just break that.

And then later on, maybe when we have time, we'll do something about the actual issue.

It does seem like a lot of this is an effort not to talk about the thing, the real thing in Europe anyway, which is migration. Yeah. The UK, formerly known as England, and France have both been completely changed by people from other countries. I'm sure they've added good things too.

This is what's really interesting to me about what's happening. We're talking about masculinity and men who say no and men who stand up.

But there has to be balance.

Everywhere in the world, there has to be power balances. If there's not a balance in power, there's going to be a vacuum and that's going to be filled. If you neuter the native population of men, if you destroy their mentality to resist, if you tell them that every single thing about the masculine is wrong and you basically feminize and unicate them, turn them into eunuchs, and then you import high testosterone men from the third world who don't believe any of this garbage, who grew up in a society where they understand the only way to succeed is to be a fearsome predator to a degree.

What do you think is going to happen? Like, who's supposed to protect the sanctity of these nations and these settlements and these towns and villages? The police? No. In general, I would argue that it's the masculine essence that can be detected by the people who arrive.

they'd behave themselves.

Oh, yeah.

I have a feeling they'd just look around and go, hmm, not today. But when you neuter the native populace, then it's like, well, there's a power vacuum. Of course. And when there's a power vacuum, what do we expect to happen? So that's what's so—.

What are the French going to do about it? What's your average Englishman going to do about it? Nothing. Nothing!

Nothing.

And that's the thing, and that makes you wonder, is this purposeful?

Like, these two things, or these two actions of neutering the native populace.

and importing these high testosterone third-worlders.

are so at odds with each other. Is this purposeful? I'm not sure, but has anyone considered this? So, yeah, it's interesting, because you talk about—.

Well, these are huge and intentional trends. And so, I mean, they're historically transformative trends. They're a big deal. So they're probably not happening by accident, right? There's got to be some intent.

That's right.

And how do they expect all of this to end? And this is exactly what's happening with migration.

The problem with migration, specifically, is that there's no native masculine populace. to enforce any degree of culture or boundary or parameter. And, like I said, I would argue the point— and I've been to Sarajevo and I've been to Moscow. I've been to these places and I've seen there's a whole bunch of migration and everybody seems to just behave a little bit differently.

And I think that's because people understand—.

That men live here?

That men live here.

If you turn up in someone's house and their house is pristine, you're probably going to take your cup and you're going to go put it in the kitchen. But if you turn up in somebody's house and it's a fucking mess and nobody respects the house and nobody cares, and the man is drugged out of his mind half asleep on the couch, what are you going to do with your cup?

You're going to leave it there. You don't give a shit.

If you turn up to the Western world looking—.

Then you're going to hit on his wife.

Absolutely. So what do we expect to happen in these scenarios, right?

And it is purposeful. and it is scary that even me just telling men to go to the gym is seen as an act of defiance to the point where I have to be punished. I must go to jail. I must be silenced. Thermometer must be broken.

If, at the end of all of this, no matter what happens, do you plan to stay in Romania?

I love Romania. I love this country.

And if I am found not guilty, I will stay in Romania, yeah. I will still stay here. I don't believe in running away. I also believe, and perhaps this is—.

Yeah, I didn't even want to ask you that, because you've got a legal case pending, but presumably you're rich enough to run away when you haven't.

Correct. I'm not going anywhere.

I think if I was anywhere in the Western world, this would have happened to me. I don't think this is Romania's fault. Let's put it that way. I don't think this is Romania's fault. I think if I resided in Switzerland or France or Italy, the same thing would happen.

My waiter at lunch yesterday is one of them. He wanted you to know, yeah.

Ah, amazing. This is what I mean. Everyone understands what's happening. My problem is not with Romania. I don't hold any personal grudges against Romania.

What is the matrix?

Good question.

I guess some Americans call it the deep state,

but I like to look at it in a more global way. When I say the matrix, I think there are certain agendas which are being pushed. I think the media machine and the judicial systems of the world work together hand in hand. I think the goal is to control people's minds to a point where they don't discuss anything. that's important.

You've never seen the movie The Matrix?

No, I don't watch any movie. I don't want to talk about it on camera. No, I'm very dyslexic, and it's hard for me to watch video, honestly.

Understood.

But there's so many similarities, and the basic premise is that humans' minds are controlled and put inside of a false reality so that their body heat can be manifested for the machines.

I don't think it's much different to reality.

Our minds are controlled. We're put in a false version of reality. We're told things aren't true. We're arguing over things that don't matter. We're observing a false version of events, and the goal of it is just to distract us long enough for our bodies to be used for the machines to sold us, and I think it's pretty similar.

Pretty similar. Striking similarities.

And even then, there's a bunch of other similarities that are difficult for me to explain if you haven't watched the movie, but there are agents inside of the matrix, and the idea of the agent, the purpose of the agent is to make sure that nobody understands how the matrix really works and to wake anybody's mind up. They want to keep you asleep, and any person can become an agent at any time. If they're not unplugged, if their mind is not free, they can become an agent, and their job is to keep you asleep, and you see agents all the time. COVID awoken me to agents. When I would sit and talk to somebody, and they seemed perfectly rational and normal until I mentioned COVID, and then they'd fully change.

My grandma got sick, and they became an agent instantly and started repeating the news to me, and I was like, your grandma got sick. How old is she? 97?? Interesting.

Oh, I better lock myself in my house then. Dumbass.

So agents exist, and the matrix exists, and I think, most people's version of the world.

is a false one. The idea and the world that most people have in their mind, and how society functions, and how all these things function, I genuinely believe is completely false. I think they've all been lied to. I don't think anybody understands how any of the world works. And I try and use some very simple analogies to wake people up.

He goes, yeah. I was like, all right, so you accept that people cheat to win in a video game.

for a menial amount of money. You think they're not going to cheat for something that matters? No.

I think so.

They're not going to cheat for something important?

You understand what I'm saying? Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

So how about to get the most important job in the world? President of the United States.

I would never kill myself.

I mean, people kill each other over insurance fraud. You don't think, right. Yeah.

You know, so when you actually understand how the world really works,

you know what's really interesting? I remember there was this big military coup in, was it Myanmar or Burma? One of these, this was a big military coup, like a year ago or something. And nobody really cared. They mentioned it on the news a little bit.

A lot of countries like that. Philippines. Also true. Why do you think support for the war in Ukraine, support for Ukraine's side in the war against Russia, support for a war against Russia in the West, is kind of the bottom line issue for the people who run the U.S. government and for the American media?

Why?

Why is that so important?

Well, the first thing I think we should all do is, I think we should all give Putin credit for curing COVID.

Right?

I hadn't thought about that. Think about it.

It's almost to the day.

So we have to give him some credit, at least, for doing that. He may be the bad guy of the world, but at least he cured COVID for everybody. Nearly instantly.

Fair.

Thank you, President Putin.

I, up until this point, never really commented too heavily on politics.

Yes.

But I understand very well.

I like to believe what's happening with Ukraine and Russia. And what I will say to the people who are watching this at home, is that if you are naive enough to believe that there are good guys and bad guys in wars, and it's as simple as good and bad, and that the bad guys are crazy,

the good guys want freedom,

then you need to do a little bit more investigation into what's really happening. And when you look at the vested interest of any country or any person...

Can I just ask you to pause and just comment? That's the truest thing, what you just said. And anyone who doesn't understand that should shut the fuck up. And I mean it. Having seen war.

Completely. Well, I'll give you an example. When my father was still alive, when my father... Sir, excuse me. Yeah, no, it's true.

I was a lot younger.

The war in Afghanistan was going on.

He died six or seven years ago? How old was he?

56.

But the war in Afghanistan was going on.

And I remember asking my dad, saying, why do the Taliban even fight and resist the American war machine? They don't stand a chance. Why are these terrorists even fighting against the American war machine?

And my dad said, they're fighting for their way of life.

They want their wife.

And they want their children. And they want their society and their language. And they don't want pride flags. And they don't want American bullshit. And they don't want to be told what to do.

Fuck off.

Right? So there's no such thing as good and bad in any war.